Topic: Disappointing Rineharts (Read 12407 times)

Eqcons · « **on:** June 12, 2006, 09:50:02 AM »

Well, I completed the Rinehart install on Friday/Saturday, and I have to say that, given the price of this system, I'm disappointed by a few aspects. Anyone else found the same disappointing things:

1) Instructions are poor, particularly the photos - they could surely be proper, printed ones with grayscale photos on an $800 system....
2) There is pretty well zero clearance in several areas, despite playing around with the joints and fixings several times - the rear axle nut, the cam cover, and the primary cover.

These above are just annoyances - the more serious things are:

A) the header support bracket is shipped in with the bag of nuts and bolts, so in transit the inevitable happens, and the (powder?) coating on it gets ruined by the nuts and bolts rattling about. Surely it's not too hard to bag it separately! (And why not make it chrome?

??)

B) the heatshield on the front pipe is of a smaller diameter than the "P-Clamp" fixing for the front pipe, and has to be forced over it, causing a bulge. The big problem caused by that is that being in full contact with the "P-Clamp" the heatshield gets v.hot there, and of course it's located exactly where you put your foot down, so quickly attracts melted rubber. MAJOR problem!!

C) After one day of use, the chrome on the heatshield for the rear pipe is bubbling at both ends. :-(

On a $300-$400 system, I might expect some of these things, but they are hard to accept at $800!

Finally, it's definitely too noisy for me (and I do like noisy systems!) as every time you open the throttle, it breaks the vox on the intercom, deafening me and the mrs. If you adjust the vox so that it doesn't do that, you get about one word in three when you talk.

Do they do quieter baffles for the True Duals?

Jim

WFP · « **Reply #1 on:** June 12, 2006, 09:57:22 AM »

My rear heat shield is bluing because of the lack of clearance at the bend...there is no cooling air gap so the heat is transferred from the pipe to the heat shield.

The axel nut on the right side will damage the chrome pretty quick.

/Bill

Fired00d · « **Reply #2 on:** June 12, 2006, 10:00:23 AM »

In regards to your concerns/disappointment in fitment of parts, and damaged parts you can use the contact below. This was posted somewhere before and I saved it as I have Rineharts also in case I would ever have a warranty issue. Hope this helps.

Karen McRobbie
Warranty Dept.

BUB Enterprises
180 Clydesdale Court
Grass Valley, CA 95945
1-800-934-9739
Fax (530) 273-3406

Operating Hours Monday -Friday
8:00am-3:30pm Pacific Standard Time

[highlight]Additional Info - Just did a search and found email address for Karen - karen@bubent.com[/highlight]

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Eqcons · « **Reply #3 on:** June 12, 2006, 10:13:29 AM »

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In regards to your concerns/disappointment in fitment of parts, and damaged parts you can use the contact below. This was posted somewhere before and I saved it as I have Rineharts also in case I would ever have a warranty issue. Hope this helps.

Karen McRobbie
Warranty Dept.

BUB Enterprises
180 Clydesdale Court
Grass Valley, CA 95945
1-800-934-9739
Fax (530) 273-3406

Operating Hours Monday -Friday
8:00am-3:30pm Pacific Standard Time

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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Thanks Firedood. As you have Rineharts too, have you noticed the same shortcomings? Worst of all (the bubbling chrome can be replaced) is the "P-Clamp" being a bigger OD than the ID of the heatshield; that really is a disaster area - I spent an hour yesterday getting melted rubber of that area, and there can be no doubt it will blue. :-/

Jim

Fired00d · « **Reply #4 on:** June 12, 2006, 10:18:58 AM »

I have the older style Rineharts that don't have the "P" clamp. I had saved this information because of all the failures I had heard about the original way the pipes were/are mounted to starter, and that bracket giving out. So far I like many haven't had a failure with the way they are mounted.

/me is keeping his fingers crossed. [smiley=nervous.gif]

BTW - I added an email address for Karen in my previous post.

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Fatboy · « **Reply #5 on:** June 12, 2006, 10:20:45 AM »

Maybe you got a bad set....but I didn't experience any of the issue's you incurred. I'd follow up with the manufacturer and request a new exchange set directly from them. Also they do make several baffle option's which may help quiet them down some. You're right you should get what you paid for!

And I know from experience this is normally a great product and easy to install. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

I've had mine on for 2-3 month's now and no issue's to date. 8-)

Eqcons · « **Reply #6 on:** June 12, 2006, 10:32:28 AM »

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I added an email address for Karen in my previous post.

Email on the way to her as we speak! I hope they don't think I'm just a moaner, but there is no question - there are SERIOUS flaws with this design!

Jim

TexTaz · « **Reply #7 on:** June 12, 2006, 10:35:01 AM »

That sucks. Please keep us posted on how this works out. I'm still waiting for mine to show up. Ordered from Drag and they keeping pushing the delivery date out, I'm at 4wks. now. I was starting to think that we were getting jerked around, but at the ROT Rally the guys from J&P told me they were having the same issues getting these pipes in.
I'll be really disappointed if I've waited this long and have the same experience.
Best of Luck

Eqcons · « **Reply #8 on:** June 12, 2006, 10:36:12 AM »

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Maybe you got a bad set....but I didn't experience any of the issue's you incurred. I'd follow up with the manufacturer and request a new exchange set directly from them. Also they do make several baffle option's which may help quiet them down some. You're right you should get what you paid for!

And I know from experience this is normally a great product and easy to install. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

I've had mine on for 2-3 month's now and no issue's to date. 8-)

Hmmmm..... so you don't have the "P-Clamp" that's too big to go in the heatshield, and plenty of clearance at the three points I mention??? and the mounting bracket wasn't all marked and chipped from being in contact with the bolts during shipping?

Mine have a manufacture date of March 06, so I guess they may have changed things since you got yours, but that P-Clamp issue can't help but be noticed; wonder if they've gone to a thicker one?

Jim

Eqcons · « **Reply #9 on:** June 12, 2006, 10:53:41 AM »

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That sucks. Please keep us posted on how this works out. I'm still waiting for mine to show up. Ordered from Drag and they keeping pushing the delivery date out, I'm at 4wks. now. I was starting to think that we were getting jerked around, but at the ROT Rally the guys from J&P told me they were having the same issues getting these pipes in.
I'll be really disappointed if I've waited this long and have the same experience.
Best of Luck

I'll keep you posted Textaz. I've emailed them today, so will let you know what they say. I was indeed disappointed having anticipated for so long, and met these issues....

Jim

WFP · « **Reply #10 on:** June 12, 2006, 11:01:08 AM »

These people had mine at my door in 2 days:
Eastern Performance

/Bill

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That sucks. Please keep us posted on how this works out. I'm still waiting for mine to show up. Ordered from Drag and they keeping pushing the delivery date out, I'm at 4wks. now. I was starting to think that we were getting jerked around, but at the ROT Rally the guys from J&P told me they were having the same issues getting these pipes in.
I'll be really disappointed if I've waited this long and have the same experience.
Best of Luck

Fatboy · « **Reply #11 on:** June 12, 2006, 11:26:48 AM »

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Hmmmm..... so you don't have the "P-Clamp" that's too big to go in the heatshield, and plenty of clearance at the three points I mention??? and the mounting bracket wasn't all marked and chipped from being in contact with the bolts during shipping?

Mine have a manufacture date of March 06, so I guess they may have changed things since you got yours, but that P-Clamp issue can't help but be noticed; wonder if they've gone to a thicker one?

Jim

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Jim,

* No P-Clamp issue's with fitment but I tightened it down aggressively before I attempted to tighten up the heat shields.

* I wouldn't say "plenty of clearence" but everything fit properly after I'd made several adjustment's. It was a learning process for me but I could now redo the job in about half the time. The primary area on the rear pipe was the trickiest.

* No parts were recieved damaged. Chrome bracket would have been a nice additon.

* What kind of shape was your box in when recieved? Who did you buy from and who handled the shipping? Could the handling of the package in transit caused some of your issue's?

* Got mine in 2 days from Eastern Performance via EBay for $749 on my doorstep. The new version with the o2 sensor.

Good luck with the manufacturer. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] I'm hoping then send you a new exchange set because this is a great product and you deserve to see that for yourself.

Fatboy

Eqcons · « **Reply #12 on:** June 12, 2006, 11:36:18 AM »

* No P-Clamp issue's with fitment but I tightened it down aggressively before I attempted to tighten up the heat shields.

That really puzzles me - they must have changed something there.

* I wouldn't say "plenty of clearence" but everything fit properly after I'd made several adjustment's. It was a learning process for me but I could now redo the job in about half the time. The primary area on the rear pipe was the trickiest.

I'd have said the rear axle nut was trickiest, but I can live with these - I'll probably play around some more with the adjustment. However, why don't they make allowances for such clearance issues, like the recessed area that HD put in their mufflers?

* No parts were recieved damaged. Chrome bracket would have been a nice additon.

So your bracket was not in the bag with the nuts and bolts? Yes, knowing it was for a Harley, they'd know we like chrome, and that would stand some contact with nuts and bolts more readily too..... And what would it add to their cost? a couple of bucks.

* What kind of shape was your box in when recieved? Who did you buy from and who handled the shipping? Could the handling of the package in transit caused some of your issue's?

Box was perfect - a friend hand carried it from the US.

* Got mine in 2 days from Eastern Performance via EBay for $749 on my doorstep. The new version with the o2 sensor.

Ditto! :-)

Good luck with the manufacturer. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] I'm hoping then send you a new exchange set because this is a great product and you deserve to see that for yourself.

Once they discover I'm in the UK they might not be so keen!

Anyway, we'll soon discover - I've just had the "read" notification from the email I sent them. I sure hope Karen isn't one of those girls who is all cranky on Monday mornings!

Jim

Fatboy · « **Reply #13 on:** June 12, 2006, 11:45:12 AM »

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I sure hope Karen isn't one of those girls who is all cranky on Monday mornings!

Jim

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Jim,

American women can be cranky 24/7........ [smiley=nervous.gif]

Be prepared.

Fatboy

110tHunDer · « **Reply #14 on:** June 12, 2006, 12:19:27 PM »

Everytime I get serious about wanting to buy a set Rineharts for my bike, a thread like this pops up. Last year it was the cracking issues, now it's fitment issues. I hope you get it resolved, Eqcons, and I'll be watching along with TexTaz and others, to see how this ends up.

BobD · « **Reply #15 on:** June 12, 2006, 12:27:05 PM »

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Well, I completed the Rinehart install on Friday/Saturday, and I have to say that, given the price of this system, [highlight]I'm disappointed by a few aspects[/highlight].
Finally, it's definitely [highlight]too noisy[/highlight] for me (and I do like noisy systems!) as every time you open the throttle, it breaks the vox on the intercom, deafening me and the mrs. If you adjust the vox so that it doesn't do that, you get about one word in three when you talk.

Do they do quieter baffles for the True Duals?

Jim

I read your post Jim and felt real sympathy for you all the way through. As I've posted previously on this site, I to experienced the Rinehart disappointment. I had a set installed by my dealer back in '05 on a Road Glide. My dealer said it was the worst exhaust install they ever undertook. Two techs spent over 3 hours trying to make things fit and look reasonably good. They blued immediately. Then the right muffler turned yellow soon after. The biggest disappointment was the noise though. They were so loud none of my friends would ride behind me. I spent another $100 on "quiet" baffles which were a real joke. Just as noisy as the original "performance' baffles. Exhaust systems this noisy are exactly what is drawing EPA attention and bringing legislation to reduce public nuisance.
I do admit Rineharts look cool. Beyond that, they're nothing more than an over-rated, over-priced fad with marginal product quality at best but that's just my opinion.

Eqcons · « **Reply #16 on:** June 12, 2006, 12:38:58 PM »

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Everytime I get serious about wanting to buy a set Rineharts for my bike, a thread like this pops up. Last year it was the cracking issues, now it's fitment issues. I hope you get it resolved, Eqcons, and I'll be watching along with TexTaz and others, to see how this ends up.

Well, they do feel like a quality, well made, product to touch and look at - you just get the feeling that they are kind of hoping that we won't notice these little problems..... Obviously to solve the cracking problem they went to the "P-Bracket" fixing, and that's given this subsidiary problem with the heatshield, and they haven't gone to the trouble of a bigger heatshield, or a thinner "P-Bracket". And there can be no excuse for shipping a part with a cosmetic finish in the same bag as nuts and bolts. Product is good, they just cut corners on the little things, but still charge the price you'd expect for something with all the wrinkles ironed out, which they aren't as far as I can see from my system....

Jim

Eqcons · « **Reply #17 on:** June 12, 2006, 12:47:28 PM »

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I read your post Jim and felt real sympathy for you all the way through. As I've posted previously on this site, I to experienced the Rinehart disappointment. I had a set installed by my dealer back in '05 on a Road Glide. My dealer said it was the worst exhaust install they ever undertook. Two techs spent over 3 hours trying to make things fit and look reasonably good. They blued immediately. Then the right muffler turned yellow soon after. The biggest disappointment was the noise though. They were so loud none of my friends would ride behind me. I spent another $100 on "quiet" baffles which were a real joke. Just as noisy as the original "performance' baffles. Exhaust systems this noisy are exactly what is drawing EPA attention and bringing legislation to reduce public nuisance.
I do admit Rineharts look cool. Beyond that, they're nothing more than an over-rated, over-priced fad with marginal product quality at best but that's just my opinion.

You've kind of crystallised my fears with that post....

Yes, my friends are the same - yesterday I was pretty unpopular with the guys behind. And yet, with these newer ones, they claim

"New design torque-chamber baffles produce a deep, rich sound with less objectional noise; only 96 dB at half-throttle (2500 rpm)"

So I expected them not to be as bad as they are. I noticed the quiet baffle option on the Drag Specialties site after my original post here, and wondered if that would help, but your reply tells me I should save myself the $110 + shipping from the US I guess.

The quality seems to be there, they just haven't finished the job.......

Eqcons · « **Reply #18 on:** June 12, 2006, 04:47:54 PM »

Reply from Bub. Also a little disappointing - my email was written in friendly tones, and the reply is very formal, asking for information I already supplied:

"Thank you for your comments and I will share them with the appropriate
departments. As for the heat shield not fitting correctly and the other
with chrome bubbles; if you can provide me with the info below, we will
handle an exchange for you. Please give us a call so that we may
discuss in detail your needs. Also, there are stealth baffles available
through your local dealer.

To obtain warranty service, you must provide us with a copy of your
dated receipt as proof of the purchase. Make sure your name, shipping
address and daytime phone number are included.

To expedite your claim, please include a short note including
* Bike Make, Model & Year
* Exhaust Type & Part Number (if available)
* Problem

When we have received the copy of your receipt, a company representative
will contact you shortly."

I'll keep you all informed.....

Jim

Big Al · « **Reply #19 on:** June 13, 2006, 09:31:36 PM »

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Reply from Bub. Also a little disappointing - my email was written in friendly tones, and the reply is very formal, asking for information I already supplied:

"Thank you for your comments and I will share them with the appropriate
departments. As for the heat shield not fitting correctly and the other
with chrome bubbles; if you can provide me with the info below, we will
handle an exchange for you. Please give us a call so that we may
discuss in detail your needs. Also, there are stealth baffles available
through your local dealer.

To obtain warranty service, you must provide us with a copy of your
dated receipt as proof of the purchase. Make sure your name, shipping
address and daytime phone number are included.

To expedite your claim, please include a short note including
* Bike Make, Model & Year
* Exhaust Type & Part Number (if available)
* Problem

When we have received the copy of your receipt, a company representative
will contact you shortly."

I'll keep you all informed.....

Jim

Jim

Looks like a 'stock' answer so I don't think you need to be TOO sensitive. AND they are saying the right words about replacement etc so that is a good sign!

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Twolanerider · « **Reply #20 on:** June 13, 2006, 10:58:11 PM »

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Everytime I get serious about wanting to buy a set Rineharts for my bike, a thread like this pops up. Last year it was the cracking issues, now it's fitment issues. I hope you get it resolved, Eqcons, and I'll be watching along with TexTaz and others, to see how this ends up.

Even without the fitment and breakage issues; just too darned loud for my tastes.

Eqcons · « **Reply #21 on:** June 14, 2006, 04:54:04 AM »

Well, I'm getting friendly replies from Karen, and I think they are going to supply replacement heatshields, though I may have to pay shipping, which is fair enough, I think. She tells me "The stealth baffles are only about 15% quieter, maybe a little more if you wrap them." Can't make my mind up on whether to throw another $110 + shipping at these to see if I can get the noise level down.....

Again, I'll keep you all informed.

Jim

Boatman · « **Reply #22 on:** June 14, 2006, 10:20:53 AM »

I had the Rineharts, bought the quiet baffles (wrapped them) and were still too loud for me. But I'm probably the exception. I put the stock pipes/mufflers back on.

Eqcons · « **Reply #23 on:** June 14, 2006, 10:24:59 AM »

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I had the Rineharts, bought the quiet baffles (wrapped them) and were still too loud for me. But I'm probably the exception. I put the stock pipes/mufflers back on.

No, I'm probably just as exceptional as you! :-) What do they mean by "wrapping" them? I don't suppose you still have the quiet baffles, and would care to sell them, do you?

Jim

Eqcons · « **Reply #24 on:** June 14, 2006, 11:04:38 AM »

Well, I have to comment on the service from Karen at Rinehart. Prompt, friendly replies, and has organised replacement heatshields for me.

Certainly nothing wrong with their after sales service, it appears to be first class.

Jim

WFP · « **Reply #25 on:** June 14, 2006, 11:08:21 AM »

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What do they mean by "wrapping" them?

Probably: Baffles can be wrapped with fiberglass packing...a few years ago, a buddy remoed the fiberglass from his RK's Porker Pipes...they were definately "Tinny" without the glass packing.

Personally, I just don't feel mine are that loud as is, I have the "torque" baffle.

Eqcons · « **Reply #26 on:** June 14, 2006, 11:16:01 AM »

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Probably: Baffles can be wrapped with fiberglass packing...a few years ago, a buddy remoed the fiberglass from his RK's Porker Pipes...they were definately "Tinny" without the glass packing.

Personally, I just don't feel mine are that loud as is, I have the "torque" baffle.

Yes, I suspected that it meant wrapping with fibreglass wool, just seemed strange.... Wonder if the come with extra fibreglass to do that?

Mine are seriously loud... :-/ How do I tell if I have the "torque" baffle or not? Just the ID? What do the call the baffle they come with as standard?

Jim

WFP · « **Reply #27 on:** June 14, 2006, 11:24:23 AM »

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Mine are seriously loud... :-/ How do I tell if I have the "torque" baffle or not? Just the ID? What do the call the baffle they come with as standard?
Jim

I don't know! I am just going by what I ordered from Eastern Performance who called it the Torque Baffle.

I think it was BuB Part #1800-0242

In my garage, yes they are very loud but outside at idle...they did not make the cops turn their head. Now, the Big Radius on the SED, they have a little more "Bark" than the Rineharts...so I may not be the best judge.

/Bill

Steve_G · « **Reply #28 on:** June 14, 2006, 02:37:43 PM »

If there is a question about what wrapping the baffles is, it's really pretty simple. Unless your mufflers have permanent baffles, the rest are wrapped with fiberglass matting. You just take out your baffles, remove the old fiberglass- or what's left of it- put the new matting around the baffle, tape it up with masking tape, and put the baffles back in. The mfg. of the mufflers has the stuff cut to size so you don't have to measure it all out. Hope this helps.- 8-)-Steve

Fired00d · « **Reply #29 on:** June 14, 2006, 02:51:01 PM »

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Well, I have to comment on the service from Karen at Rinehart. Prompt, friendly replies, and has organised replacement heatshields for me.

Certainly nothing wrong with their after sales service, it appears to be first class.

Jim

Jim,
Glad to hear that Karen is taking care of you, and you are getting this resolved (at least the bad parts) to your satisfaction.

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Fatboy · « **Reply #30 on:** June 14, 2006, 02:52:23 PM »

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I don't know! I am just going by what I ordered from Eastern Performance who called it the Torque Baffle.

I think it was BuB Part #1800-0242

In my garage, yes they are very loud but outside at idle...they did not make the cops turn their head. Now, the Big Radius on the SED, they have a little more "Bark" than the Rineharts...so I may not be the best judge.

/Bill

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I bought the same item from the same Distributor and I agree with all your comment's on the subject.
I had Vance & Hines slip-ons prior to the Rineharts and they were louder. Heck, my friends Fat Catted Street Glide drowns me out....I thought if anything I'd want my Rineharts a little louder. Even my wife's Vance & Hines Big Shots-Long on her Fat Boy are way louder than any Rinehart's I've seen......er heard.

Eqcons · « **Reply #31 on:** June 14, 2006, 02:56:25 PM »

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Jim,
Glad to hear that Karen is taking care of you, and you are getting this resolved (at least the bad parts) to your satisfaction.

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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Thanks Fired00d. I'll let you all know when the heatshields arrive. Now if I could just get the noise level down a bit......

I reckon that if I was enterprising enough, I could design baffles for these that would quieten them down, and an alternative mounting to the P-Clamp to get rid of the melted boot problem. But I haven't the facilities to make such things, and in the wilds of rural Scotland, nowhere to get them made, either!

Jim

Eqcons · « **Reply #32 on:** June 14, 2006, 03:01:52 PM »

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I bought the same item from the same Distributor and I agree with all your comment's on the subject.
I had Vance & Hines slip-ons prior to the Rineharts and they were louder. Heck, my friends Fat Catted Street Glide drowns me out....I thought if anything I'd want my Rineharts a little louder. Even my wife's Vance & Hines Big Shots-Long on her Fat Boy are way louder than any Rinehart's I've seen......

I can't understand why mine are so loud, at all! But I can assure you that I've just heard two louder bikes, ever, one a chopper with just straight pipes, no mufflers, and one a Glide with Long Shots. These are very, very, very loud! At the moment, the local cops are clamping down VERY hard on loud pipes too.... :-/

I wonder if these "torque baffles" make them quieter?

Jim

WFP · « **Reply #33 on:** June 14, 2006, 03:38:24 PM »

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...an alternative mounting to the P-Clamp to get rid of the melted boot problem. ...

I am a little concerned about this...My belief is that my rear heat shield is blueing because it is in contact with the pipe itself and there is no airflow to allow proper insulation from the heat. Now, translate that to the front pipe, the "P" clamp encircles the pipe itself, with the straight side of the "P" against the frame mounting location and the round side of the "P" circling the pipe. The "P" clamp is about, from memory, 1/8" thick, ~3mm. That means that it should help keep the heat shield at least 1/8" or 3mm from the pipe thus reducing the amount of heat near your boot.

Looking from back to front, here is my crude attempt at a drawing using MS Paint...

/Bill

WFP · « **Reply #34 on:** June 14, 2006, 03:58:12 PM »

Also, forgive the stupid question, but is this general area where you located the P-Clamp and did you slide it up the pipe with the heat shield installed on the pipe?

/Bill

Eqcons · « **Reply #35 on:** June 14, 2006, 04:48:13 PM »

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I am a little concerned about this...My belief is that my rear heat shield is blueing because it is in contact with the pipe itself and there is no airflow to allow proper insulation from the heat. Now, translate that to the front pipe, the "P" clamp encircles the pipe itself, with the straight side of the "P" against the frame mounting location and the round side of the "P" circling the pipe. The "P" clamp is about, from memory, 1/8" thick, ~3mm. That means that it should help keep the heat shield at least 1/8" or 3mm from the pipe thus reducing the amount of heat near your boot.

Looking from back to front, here is my crude attempt at a drawing using MS Paint...

/Bill

Not such a crude attempt, Bill!

The problem I found is this. When it came time to fit the heatshield, it had to be forced over the P-clamp, which made a bulge in it. But consider this:

Pipe OD = 2" P-Clamp thickness = 1/8" so Pipe + P-clamp = 2¼" Heatshield ID = 2¼" so they are in full contact and the heatshield gets v. hot. It is BOUND to blue, methinks, but in any case it melts boots and gets covered in residue from superheated leathers etc....

Jim

Eqcons · « **Reply #36 on:** June 14, 2006, 04:51:56 PM »

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Also, forgive the stupid question, but is this general area where you located the P-Clamp and did you slide it up the pipe with the heat shield installed on the pipe?

/Bill

Yes. the P-clamp is fixed to the same bracket that the OEM P-clamp fixes to. No, I installed the pipe, with the P-clamp attached, spread the P-clamp to get it into the OEM bracket, tightened it, and THEN fitted the heat shield - all in accordance with the instructions. I don't believe it would be possible to slide it up the pipe with the heatshield installed, as you'd struggle to spread it to get it into the OEM bracket....

Jim

Eqcons · « **Reply #37 on:** June 14, 2006, 05:16:14 PM »

These baffle part numbers have me baffled!

Drag Specialties list:

1860-0088 2” i.d. quiet baffles (pr.) $109.95
1860-0089 2 1/2” i.d. Hi-Flo performance baffles (pr.) $109.95
0411-1001 2” i.d. quiet baffles (pr.) $109.95
1860-0036 2 1/2” i.d. Hi-Flo performance baffles (pr.)

and WFP says he got the Torque Baffle:
1800-0242

So which is the quietest, and most importantly which of these (or is it another entirely!) are the standard baffles???

Jim

WFP · « **Reply #38 on:** June 15, 2006, 06:30:07 AM »

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Yes. the P-clamp is fixed to the same bracket that the OEM P-clamp fixes to. No, I installed the pipe, with the P-clamp attached, spread the P-clamp to get it into the OEM bracket, tightened it, and THEN fitted the heat shield - all in accordance with the instructions. I don't believe it would be possible to slide it up the pipe with the heatshield installed, as you'd struggle to spread it to get it into the OEM bracket....

Jim

Got it...I admit, I was going from memory.

/Bill

Eqcons · « **Reply #39 on:** July 12, 2006, 04:37:19 PM »

Well, that very nice lady Karen in the warranty dept at Bub has told me my new heatshields are on the way, but I think I've finally decided I'm going to replace the Rineharts. They look great, but just don't provide what I want from them, as there are numerous, and ongoing problems. I'm forever having to fiddle with them to adjust the clearances; they are too close to the rear axle nut, they are too close to the primary, too close to the frame, and the rear pipe is too far forward - that will make it difficult, if not impossible, to remove the primary cover; additionally I melted my waterproofs on it, and the Mrs keeps melting her boot soles on it. On the other side, the heatshield gets too hot through being in full contact with the "P" Clamp, the chrome quality is not impressive (actually managed to polish through it!). The black tips are starting to purple already.

I don't like the noise they make - they are just too strident, not a deep rumble. It keeps tripping the vox (regardless of setting) when I crack open the throttle.

Worst of all, they kill the low end torque stone dead. My friend has a CSE2 that has a stage 1 SE filter, stage 1 download, SE slipons. It makes the nicest rumble, and would rip the side of a house off from 1500rpm in 5th gear; at those revs, mine wouldn't pull a soldier off your sister.

My next thinking is likely to be V&H True Dual headers and SE Slipons as a replacement. Anyone else got that setup on a CUSE?

Jim

amigo Jorge · « **Reply #40 on:** July 12, 2006, 05:35:19 PM »

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That sucks. Please keep us posted on how this works out. I'm still waiting for mine to show up. Ordered from Drag and they keeping pushing the delivery date out, I'm at 4wks. now. I was starting to think that we were getting jerked around, but at the ROT Rally the guys from J&P told me they were having the same issues getting these pipes in.
I'll be really disappointed if I've waited this long and have the same experience.
Best of Luck

I have had better results purchasing the parts from ebay...... [smiley=banana.gif] Give a try...Jorge

Big Al · « **Reply #41 on:** July 13, 2006, 01:57:31 AM »

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Well, that very nice lady Karen in the warranty dept at Bub has told me my new heatshields are on the way, but I think I've finally decided I'm going to replace the Rineharts. They look great, but just don't provide what I want from them, as there are numerous, and ongoing problems. I'm forever having to fiddle with them to adjust the clearances; they are too close to the rear axle nut, they are too close to the primary, too close to the frame, and the rear pipe is too far forward - that will make it difficult, if not impossible, to remove the primary cover; additionally I melted my waterproofs on it, and the Mrs keeps melting her boot soles on it. On the other side, the heatshield gets too hot through being in full contact with the "P" Clamp, the chrome quality is not impressive (actually managed to polish through it!). The black tips are starting to purple already.

I don't like the noise they make - they are just too strident, not a deep rumble. It keeps tripping the vox (regardless of setting) when I crack open the throttle.

Worst of all, they kill the low end torque stone dead. My friend has a CSE2 that has a stage 1 SE filter, stage 1 download, SE slipons. It makes the nicest rumble, and would rip the side of a house off from 1500rpm in 5th gear; at those revs, mine wouldn't pull a soldier off your sister.

My next thinking is likely to be V&H True Dual headers and SE Slipons as a replacement. Anyone else got that setup on a CUSE?

Jim

HD-dude just installed my D&D Fatcats (+ other Zippers goodies-cams etc etc) and I am VERY happy. Key to D&D is the 2 into 1 which is (now proven) to build low end torque..There are a few threads with the dyno curves from the various set-ups....Anyway...I liked the look of the Rinehardts but D&D chrome is a total winner. I will leave it to hd-dude to talk the details...It works...

Crawdaddy · « **Reply #42 on:** July 13, 2006, 03:35:04 AM »

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Well, that very nice lady Karen in the warranty dept at Bub has told me my new heatshields are on the way, but I think I've finally decided I'm going to replace the Rineharts. They look great, but just don't provide what I want from them, as there are numerous, and ongoing problems. I'm forever having to fiddle with them to adjust the clearances; they are too close to the rear axle nut, they are too close to the primary, too close to the frame, and the rear pipe is too far forward - that will make it difficult, if not impossible, to remove the primary cover; additionally I melted my waterproofs on it, and the Mrs keeps melting her boot soles on it. On the other side, the heatshield gets too hot through being in full contact with the "P" Clamp, the chrome quality is not impressive (actually managed to polish through it!). The black tips are starting to purple already.

I don't like the noise they make - they are just too strident, not a deep rumble. It keeps tripping the vox (regardless of setting) when I crack open the throttle.

Worst of all, they kill the low end torque stone dead. My friend has a CSE2 that has a stage 1 SE filter, stage 1 download, SE slipons. It makes the nicest rumble, and would rip the side of a house off from 1500rpm in 5th gear; at those revs, mine wouldn't pull a soldier off your sister.

My next thinking is likely to be V&H True Dual headers and SE Slipons as a replacement. Anyone else got that setup on a CUSE?

Jim

Jim,

I have a similar story, but not with heat shields. My left pipe bracket broke at the starter and left a hole as big as my thumb. Karen at Bub was a great help in replacing the whole pipe and supplying a new bracket.

I did not reinstall the Rhineharts. I did install the V&H true duals with SE slip ons. With the 103+ heads, pistons and 257 cams, my bike pulls nicely. I posted my dyno numbers in the SEEG thread this past May. The torque curve is smooth and comes on right around 2700 rpm. They have a nice rumble, look good and will bark like a mad dog if you twist it WFO.

CD

Eqcons · « **Reply #43 on:** July 13, 2006, 06:21:54 AM »

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Jim,

I have a similar story, but not with heat shields. My left pipe bracket broke at the starter and left a hole as big as my thumb. Karen at Bub was a great help in replacing the whole pipe and supplying a new bracket.

I did not reinstall the Rhineharts. I did install the V&H true duals with SE slip ons. With the 103+ heads, pistons and 257 cams, my bike pulls nicely. I posted my dyno numbers in the SEEG thread this past May. The torque curve is smooth and comes on right around 2700 rpm. They have a nice rumble, look good and will bark like a mad dog if you twist it WFO.

CD

Thanks CD.

Yes, Karen at Bub is a real asset to them, that's for sure!

Pleased to note that you went with V&H and SE Slipons. I feel that's definitely the way for me. How is the fit on the V&H? Any problems with them in any other way at all?

Jim

Pap · « **Reply #44 on:** July 13, 2006, 09:05:03 AM »

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Well, that very nice lady Karen in the warranty dept at Bub has told me my new heatshields are on the way, but I think I've finally decided I'm going to replace the Rineharts. They look great, but just don't provide what I want from them, as there are numerous, and ongoing problems. I'm forever having to fiddle with them to adjust the clearances; they are too close to the rear axle nut, they are too close to the primary, too close to the frame, and the rear pipe is too far forward - that will make it difficult, if not impossible, to remove the primary cover; additionally I melted my waterproofs on it, and the Mrs keeps melting her boot soles on it. On the other side, the heatshield gets too hot through being in full contact with the "P" Clamp, the chrome quality is not impressive (actually managed to polish through it!). The black tips are starting to purple already.

I don't like the noise they make - they are just too strident, not a deep rumble. It keeps tripping the vox (regardless of setting) when I crack open the throttle.

Worst of all, they kill the low end torque stone dead. My friend has a CSE2 that has a stage 1 SE filter, stage 1 download, SE slipons. It makes the nicest rumble, and would rip the side of a house off from 1500rpm in 5th gear; at those revs, mine wouldn't pull a soldier off your sister.

My next thinking is likely to be V&H True Dual headers and SE Slipons as a replacement. Anyone else got that setup on a CUSE?

Jim

I have the V&H True Duals with V&H Ovals. Great sound and performance. I'd recommend you consider them. I thought some of the SE slip-ons are going to be unavailable. There are some posts on this site that talk about this subject.

Ride Safe.
Pap

Eqcons · « **Reply #45 on:** July 13, 2006, 10:12:38 AM »

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I have the V&H True Duals with V&H Ovals. Great sound and performance. I'd recommend you consider them. I thought some of the SE slip-ons are going to be unavailable. There are some posts on this site that talk about this subject.

Ride Safe.
Pap

Yup, the SE Slipons are now unavailable from HD, Pap - but they are still to be found.

Jim

Flying Ace · « **Reply #46 on:** July 22, 2006, 01:19:39 PM »

I pulled mine off my '05 Ultra two weeks back and put a set of Vance & Hines true dual ovals.

After the first header pipe's weld broke, I thought it was fixed with the replacement. While I was on a cross country trip, it happened again!!

I had the V&H's put on in Utah so I wouldn't have any issues on the return trip to PA.

I'm done with them. Love the performance and power, but they suck in design as far as workmanship. Both times, it wasn't the weld that broke, it was the thin pipe around the weld. Just my opinion.

110tHunDer · « **Reply #47 on:** August 04, 2006, 10:41:41 PM »

Got my new Rineharts today and the right side muffler has a dime-sized dent in it. E-mail has already been sent to Karen (thanks for the e-mail addy, 'Dood). Also, they're still packaging the black powdercoated header support bracket in with the heat shield and muffler clamps. [smiley=confused5.gif] Mine has a several slight scratces on one side and another larger scratch on the other side, but I'm going to leave it for now and just chome it this winter. Not sure why they didn't make a change to their packaging practices on this part yet. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

A couple of weeks ago I received my Feuling lifters and oil pump. Two of the lifters were incorrectly packaged which resulted in damage to the machined surfaces on both of those lifters, so they are going back tomorrow to be exchanged. The 575 cams, gear drive, bearings, pushrods and oil pump bypass shim are on their way from Zipper's. If any of that stuff arrives damaged, I am going to get it replaced and then have a fire sale on everything I've bought. At that point, I will take a hint that I'm not supposed to be doing this. :-/

Fired00d · « **Reply #48 on:** August 05, 2006, 06:16:45 AM »

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Got my new Rineharts today and the right side muffler has a dime-sized dent in it. E-mail has already been sent to Karen (thanks for the e-mail addy, 'Dood). Also, they're still packaging the black powdercoated header support bracket in with the heat shield and muffler clamps. [smiley=confused5.gif] Mine has a several slight scratces on one side and another larger scratch on the other side, but I'm going to leave it for now and just chome it this winter. Not sure why they didn't make a change to their packaging practices on this part yet. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

A couple of weeks ago I received my Feuling lifters and oil pump. Two of the lifters were incorrectly packaged which resulted in damage to the machined surfaces on both of those lifters, so they are going back tomorrow to be exchanged. The 575 cams, gear drive, bearings, pushrods and oil pump bypass shim are on their way from Zipper's. If any of that stuff arrives damaged, I am going to get it replaced and then have a fire sale on everything I've bought. At that point, I will take a hint that I'm not supposed to be doing this. :-/

Brian,
Hang in there you are doing the right thing with these upgrades. All these obstacles are just a way of making you appreciate/enjoy the scooter more when the mods are all done. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Unbalanced · « **Reply #49 on:** August 05, 2006, 04:39:04 PM »

In the last 3 years of dealing with Karen at BuB through models / revisions 1,2,3 of the rear elbow and the joint just below the cam cover (bad weld once), I have never come away feeling like she didnt do what she could for me or go above and beyond to help me out. If your dealing with her please tell her I said hello and I am very confident you will be taken care of.

Time is the only factor I ever had an issue with and its because I generally want things NOW.
All in all I have always been happy with the service.

BTW there is a 2 1/2 baffle a 2 1/4 baffle (made stock or standard after the first year) and now they also offer a 2" quieter baffle. Personally from my own experience the 2 1/4 works great for the 95's and 103's. When I installed the 2 1/2 I saw little advantage and it was also much louder, the only performance difference I saw was on the very top end wtih the 124 so I went back and got a lttle more mid range witht he 2 1/4's. I have a set of 2 1/2" baffles in the garage.

-harry

MObe · « **Reply #50 on:** August 06, 2006, 01:24:04 AM »

I tried the rineharts. Too damn loud and squeeked on certain pavement types like an old VW beetle. Tried the 2 1/4 torque baffles. Too damn loud. Tried the 2 1/4 baffles wrapped. Too damn loud. Loud, and the sound was not a deep pleasing tone either.
  Pulled away from a friend of mines house one night and got on it a bit. He said it was the loudest damn bike he had ever heard.
  I've got a buddy who has them on his SEEG. He pulled away from a little restaurant where a few of us were eating one morning and got on it hard and everybody in the restaurant stopped in the middle of their conversations and stared down the road at him, and not in a good way.
  I overheard more than a few negative comments concerning the noise.
  I hate the way the left header pipe does not fit into the recess in the side cover like the stock pipes. It sticks out and down almost an inch and I don't see any way that you would ever be able to pull the primary cover without removing the rear pipe.
  I changed to Vance and Hines true dual headers. These fit on the left side like they are supposed to.
  I added a set of supertrapp 3" IDS slip ons and some screamin' eagle and caps and then dialed in the sound just where I wanted it.

Eqcons · « **Reply #51 on:** August 06, 2006, 06:37:08 AM »

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I tried the rineharts. Too damn loud and squeeked on certain pavement types like an old VW beetle. Tried the 2 1/4 torque baffles. Too damn loud. Tried the 2 1/4 baffles wrapped. Too damn loud. Loud, and the sound was not a deep pleasing tone either.
  Pulled away from a friend of mines house one night and got on it a bit. He said it was the loudest damn bike he had ever heard.
  I've got a buddy who has them on his SEEG. He pulled away from a little restaurant where a few of us were eating one morning and got on it hard and everybody in the restaurant stopped in the middle of their conversations and stared down the road at him, and not in a good way.
  I overheard more than a few negative comments concerning the noise.
  I hate the way the left header pipe does not fit into the recess in the side cover like the stock pipes. It sticks out and down almost an inch and I don't see any way that you would ever be able to pull the primary cover without removing the rear pipe.
  I changed to Vance and Hines true dual headers. These fit on the left side like they are supposed to.
  I added a set of supertrapp 3" IDS slip ons and some screamin' eagle and caps and then dialed in the sound just where I wanted it.

All sounds like my experience MObe. The biggest problem with that left side header not fitting the recess isn't pulling the primary - you don't do that too often - it's that it runs right next to the passenger footrest. My wife gets melted boot on it every single time we are out on the bike, and it sure isn't easy to clean it off...... Because it's so far forward too, I melted a big hole in my waterproof trousers on it, at the back of the leg, behind the asbestos patch.

Jim

Jim

Flying Ace · « **Reply #52 on:** August 18, 2006, 06:17:41 PM »

Here's what happens with the old mounting setup:

I had them "fixed" once at a dealer up in Miramiche, Canada. The service guy was great and welded the tab back on.

During my trip last month, the weld held, but the pipe broke in front of the weld!!

Fired00d · « **Reply #53 on:** August 18, 2006, 06:33:45 PM »

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Here's what happens with the old mounting setup:........

I had them "fixed" once at a dealer up in Miramiche, Canada. The service guy was great and welded the tab back on.

During my trip last month, the weld held, but the pipe broke in front of the weld!!

Have you tried contacting BUB to get them replaced. I understand they are real good to work w/on warranty issues.

Try using this contact info:
Karen McRobbie (karen@bubent.com)
Warranty Dept.

BUB Enterprises
180 Clydesdale Court
Grass Valley, CA 95945
1-800-934-9739
Fax (530) 273-3406

Operating Hours Monday -Friday
8:00am-3:30pm Pacific Standard Time

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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Flying Ace · « **Reply #54 on:** August 18, 2006, 06:36:02 PM »

Firedood,

Thanks, I did get a replacement. They were great about it.

I just came across the picture and thought I'd share it.

Fired00d · « **Reply #55 on:** August 18, 2006, 06:54:15 PM »

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Firedood,

Thanks, I did get a replacement. They were great about it.

I just came across the picture and thought I'd share it.

Ok, that's good to hear they took care of you. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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110tHunDer · « **Reply #56 on:** August 19, 2006, 12:16:47 PM »

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. . . I hate the way the left header pipe does not fit into the recess in the side cover like the stock pipes. It sticks out and down almost an inch and I don't see any way that you would ever be able to pull the primary cover without removing the rear pipe.

I never really liked that part, either, but it appears they've made a change to the latest version (see bend):

Fired00d · « **Reply #57 on:** August 19, 2006, 03:11:55 PM »

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I never really liked that part, either, but it appears they've made a change to the latest version (see bend):

Brian,
Does this mean we are going to have some new parts to look at on your scooter at MV?

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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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110tHunDer · « **Reply #58 on:** August 19, 2006, 07:38:48 PM »

That's the plan as of now, Gary. I should get the replacement Feuling lifters sometime this week and hopefully these won't be damaged. On the Rineharts, I sent an e-mail to Karen right after I got the pipes but have never heard from her about the dent in the right-side one. In the menatime, I contacted Direct Parts where I got the pipes from and explained my dilemma to them. According to an e-mail I got back from a fella name Sam there, Karen said I should go ahead and install the dented muff if it doesn't happen that I get a replacement in time and that they'd still warranty it anyway. I'm a bit nervous about that, though, so I'm going to call the number you posted above and ask to speak with her myself on Monday. If I can get the lifters and pipes squared away, I'll be good to go on the parts.

Then, JR has been working overtime for me to get a good labor quote out of Bumpus' in Memphis to do the install. We're pretty much there, so the tentative plan is to drop the bike on September 23 then turn around two weeks later and pick it up "on my way" (as much as Memphis is "on my way" at least) to Maggie Valley.

I'm still a little upset that the lifters and pipes came damaged.

I hope everything comes together. I think it'll be a close call if it does. [smiley=nervous.gif] Plan B will be to drop it at Bumpus' on the way home from MV and then return again later to get it, but it would sure be nice to have it done for the event, if possible.

Fired00d · « **Reply #59 on:** August 19, 2006, 08:14:14 PM »

Kewl. Hope everything works out, and you get this all done before MV.

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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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110tHunDer · « **Reply #60 on:** August 22, 2006, 03:53:13 PM »

Question for the Rinehart guys (especially those who've purchased them recently), do you have the discoloration that mine have around the hangers on the rear of the pipe???

Looks a lot worse in person, though I think these photos show pretty clearly what I'm talking about . . .

110tHunDer · « **Reply #61 on:** August 22, 2006, 03:53:32 PM »

110tHunDer · « **Reply #62 on:** August 22, 2006, 03:53:49 PM »

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VAZHOG · « **Reply #65 on:** August 22, 2006, 04:28:51 PM »

Nice clean Carpet

spydglide · « **Reply #66 on:** August 22, 2006, 04:37:30 PM »

103tHunDer, I just went out in the garage to double check mine....no discoloring in that area, but to be honest, you really can't see it (that area) all that good w/ the bags on anyway....and the good thing is that you've got the new, improved mount instead of the 'prone to break' earlier model. Just put 'em on and enjoy,

you'll be happy! 8-)

har! spyder

110tHunDer · « **Reply #67 on:** August 22, 2006, 08:37:47 PM »

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103tHunDer, I just went out in the garage to double check mine....no discoloring in that area, but to be honest, you really can't see it (that area) all that good w/ the bags on anyway . . .

Yeah, but just ask Gary, you have to have good stealth chrome, too!

Fired00d · « **Reply #68 on:** August 22, 2006, 09:46:30 PM »

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Yeah, but just ask Gary, you have to have good stealth chrome, too!

Careful, you keep this up, and they are going to start saying you are anal as that "Fired00d". [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif]

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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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HUBBARD · « **Reply #69 on:** August 22, 2006, 09:57:48 PM »

103,
Stop second guessing your decision purchase, and enjoy them!

You bought the BEST, and like spyder said, you can't even see it Bagged Up! [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] Later--HUBBARD

SPIDERMAN · « **Reply #70 on:** August 22, 2006, 10:24:20 PM »

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103,
Stop second guessing your decision purchase, and enjoy them! You bought the BEST, and like spyder said, you can't even see it Bagged Up! [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] Later--HUBBARD

I 3rd that opinion.

BB

110tHunDer · « **Reply #71 on:** August 22, 2006, 10:26:29 PM »

Well, what about the dime-sized dent in the side of the right muff?! Blow that off, too, I suppose? [smiley=nixweiss.gif] Maybe the "best" performance-wise, but chitty, chitty, quality on this set, at least.

spydglide · « **Reply #72 on:** August 22, 2006, 11:06:07 PM »

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Well, what about the dime-sized dent in the side of the right muff?! Blow that off, too, I suppose? [smiley=nixweiss.gif] Maybe the "best" performance-wise, but chitty, chitty, quality on this set, at least.

Well, Brian, that's a different story, a dime-sized dent just won't hack it unless you're getting a pretty good discount on the $$$. Call 'em and arrange to ship back for another set.....they're good to work with.......It's just the hassle of the exchange via long distance. I thought this chit only happened to me.

spyder

110tHunDer · « **Reply #73 on:** September 12, 2006, 08:59:16 PM »

Got my replacement muffler from Karen today. Unfortunately, it took a reminder e-mail to get it done. [smiley=nixweiss.gif] No dents, but the end cap had a nice wang in it, so I swapped it out with the one from the dented one. Oh yeah, the chrome is perfect with none of the discoloration around the hangers that the two original ones have. So, looks like I'll be calling Karen again to get a new left-side muffler with good chrome.

The saga continues!

SPIDERMAN · « **Reply #74 on:** September 12, 2006, 09:18:50 PM »

Got a call today from a buddy in Mississippi. He bought a used 03 SERK that had Reinharts on it. Evidently the old style since he said this past weekend the rear pipe split in half where it mounts to the starter brkt. I know Reinhart made a retrofit kit for this. Any idea if they are still offering it Gratis ? Also Brian do you have an e-mail address I can give to my buddy? He figures even if he has to buy a new rear pipe and brkt, it's a hell of a lot cheaper than a whole new system.

Thanks
Big B

Fired00d · « **Reply #75 on:** September 12, 2006, 09:21:32 PM »

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Got a call today from a buddy in Mississippi. He bought a used 03 SERK that had Reinharts on it. Evidently the old style since he said this past weekend the rear pipe split in half where it mounts to the starter brkt. I know Reinhart made a retrofit kit for this. Any idea if they are still offering it Gratis ? Also Brian do you have an e-mail address I can give to my buddy? He figures even if he has to buy a new rear pipe and brkt, it's a hell of a lot cheaper than a whole new system.

Thanks
Big B

See below...

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Have you tried contacting BUB to get them replaced. I understand they are real good to work w/on warranty issues.

Try using this contact info:
Karen McRobbie (karen@bubent.com)
Warranty Dept.

BUB Enterprises
180 Clydesdale Court
Grass Valley, CA 95945
1-800-934-9739
Fax (530) 273-3406

Operating Hours Monday -Friday
8:00am-3:30pm Pacific Standard Time

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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Fired00d · « **Reply #76 on:** September 12, 2006, 09:23:52 PM »

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Got my replacement muffler from Karen today. Unfortunately, it took a reminder e-mail to get it done. [smiley=nixweiss.gif] No dents, but the end cap had a nice wang in it, so I swapped it out with the one from the dented one. Oh yeah, the chrome is perfect with none of the discoloration around the hangers that the two original ones have. So, looks like I'll be calling Karen again to get a new left-side muffler with good chrome.

The saga continues!

Geesh. What an ordeal you are going through. Hope this can all get resolved and you are able to have the mods done as scheduled.

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Fired00d
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110tHunDer · « **Reply #77 on:** September 12, 2006, 09:30:01 PM »

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Geesh. What an ordeal you are going through. Hope this can all get resolved and you are able to have the mods done as scheduled.

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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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I mentioned the discoloration (photos above) to Karen when I was talking with her about the dent. I got the "they're all like that" story, so I figured, well, that looks like chit, but at least they both match. So, the new one comes and the chome on it looks perfect in that area. You will still see this area even with the bags on, especially when the bike is parked. Second-guessing my purchase? He!! yeah!

They need some serious help in the quality control area.

sadunbar · « **Reply #78 on:** September 12, 2006, 09:44:25 PM »

Wow - sorry to hear you are having so much trouble with your Rineharts. I had the original style pipe, and had the rear pipe break at the mounting bracket just days before leaving for Sturgis this year. I called customer service and got Karen. Once she new I lived about 20 miles from the factory in Janesville Wi. where the tru duals are manufactured, she arranged for someone from the factory to deliver a new pipe, gaskets and clamps to my house same day. When they parts were delivered, the guy noticed an end cap slightly discolored and drove back to the factory and back to my house with a new end cap. He offered to install the parts, but I declined as I prefer to turn my own wrenches. But as far as service, I don't know what more I could have asked for. They have a customer in me.....

mackmorrowjr · « **Reply #79 on:** September 13, 2006, 07:55:45 AM »

You should send that list of problems and suggestions to bubb. Maybe they will take heed and clean up their act. It aint no cheap system.

UltraPolecat · « **Reply #80 on:** September 13, 2006, 12:00:21 PM »

I see a lot of them around. I can't believe they put out such a product with these problems. [smiley=nervous.gif]

They are way too loud for me anyway...

Eqcons · « **Reply #81 on:** September 13, 2006, 12:31:40 PM »

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They need some serious help in the quality control area.

Check out the first message that started this thread off, 103T!

Jim

sadunbar · « **Reply #82 on:** September 13, 2006, 12:43:53 PM »

I think maybe everyone needs to consider that for every pipe with a problem, there are thousands without a problem. It really comes down to service if you are the unlucky one to have an issue. In my case they couldn't have a better job of providing service.

sadunbar

Eqcons · « **Reply #83 on:** September 13, 2006, 01:03:28 PM »

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I think maybe everyone needs to consider that for every pipe with a problem, there are thousands without a problem. It really comes down to service if you are the unlucky one to have an issue. In my case they couldn't have a better job of providing service.

sadunbar

No, I don't believe you are right sadunbar!

The SERVICE isn't the issue; Karen is great, and is a real asset to them. The QUALITY is poor in numerous respects; some of us are more tolerant of that than others, but each and every set has had the same problems peculiar to which version they are. There is no way on this planet that for $800 even one person should have the problems. That great service that you (and I, and others) have discovered would not be known to so many of us if the quality matched the price in the first place.

Jim

sadunbar · « **Reply #84 on:** September 13, 2006, 01:15:10 PM »

I guess maybe we can agree to disagree on this. I have had Vance and Hines that had quality problems and a infuriating (did I spell that right?) customer service response, I have had Samson pipes that were horrible quality that I returned for refund, and I have had Hooker pipes in the past that had all kinds of issues with quality, but decent customer service. Sure, Rineharts cost more, but I think you get more also. I don't know which manufacturer has more pipes on our bikes, but I would not be suprised if it is Rinehart. Maybe someone could do a poll?There must be a reason you see so many out there.

sadunbar

Eqcons · « **Reply #85 on:** September 13, 2006, 01:28:38 PM »

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I guess maybe we can agree to disagree on this. I have had Vance and Hines that had quality problems and a infuriating (did I spell that right?) customer service response, I have had Samson pipes that were horrible quality that I returned for refund, and I have had Hooker pipes in the past that had all kinds of issues with quality, but decent customer service. Sure, Rineharts cost more, but I think you get more also. I don't know which manufacturer has more pipes on our bikes, but I would not be suprised if it is Rinehart. Maybe someone could do a poll?There must be a reason you see so many out there.

sadunbar

But just because others have quality problems TOO doesn't make it OK for Rineharts to have them! The others don't charge you $800 to bend over..... Check out this thread; my first post listed the problems I had, and they are designed in problems for the most part, all of which would cost little or nothing to get right in the first place. After sales service doesn't make up for that - that's just like an $800 visit to a proctologist who doesn't believe in KY jelly because it costs him a few bucks, so it hurts like Hell, but you're saying it's OK, because he has a nice nurse with a gentle touch who smoothes on some cream and says "there there"!

No question; for 800 bucks the quality sux! [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

110tHunDer · « **Reply #86 on:** September 13, 2006, 01:29:21 PM »

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Check out the first message that started this thread off, 103T!

Jim

Jim, when I spoke with Karen, I mentioned the bracket for the rear pipe and how it came loose in the bag with all the hose clamps and other hardware. I said it had been brought to my attention through this website a couple months prior and that I was surprised they were still shipping them that way. She said the bracket is supposed to come wrapped in the instruction sheet to protect it. [smiley=nixweiss.gif] I told her mine was not and was slightly scuffed, though not bad enough to request a return. She said this was the first she'd heard of this problem, so I told her there was a dude from Scotland that she sent a replacement to for this exact issue, but she did not recall that. [smiley=confused5.gif]

Anyway, I followed this thread with great interest since I had not purchased a system at that point. It seemed like you were getting taken care of and I am impressed with the sound and performance of these pipes, so I went ahead. But the quality on the set of pipes I originally received and the replacement muffler is horrendous. It's like they don't even look at this stuff before they package it. There's no way either one of the original mufflers I received should've made it into the box to be shipped with the chrome issues around the hangers, let alone the dent in the right-side one. Then the replacement muffler comes and the end cap is damaged. It's just pathetic, IMHO.

Eqcons · « **Reply #87 on:** September 13, 2006, 01:40:41 PM »

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Jim, when I spoke with Karen, I mentioned the bracket for the rear pipe and how it came loose in the bag with all the hose clamps and other hardware. I said it had been brought to my attention through this website a couple months prior and that I was surprised they were still shipping them that way. She said the bracket is supposed to come wrapped in the instruction sheet to protect it. [smiley=nixweiss.gif] I told her mine was not and was slightly scuffed, though not bad enough to request a return. She said this was the first she'd heard of this problem, so I told her there was a dude from Scotland that she sent a replacement to for this exact issue, but she did not recall that. [smiley=confused5.gif]

Anyway, I followed this thread with great interest since I had not purchased a system at that point. It seemed like you were getting taken care of and I am impressed with the sound and performance of these pipes, so I went ahead. But the quality on the set of pipes I originally received and the replacement muffler is horrendous. It's like they don't even look at this stuff before they package it. There's no way either one of the original mufflers I received should've made it into the box to be shipped with the chrome issues around the hangers, let alone the dent in the right-side one. Then the replacement muffler comes and the end cap is damaged. It's just pathetic, IMHO.

Couldn't agree more. The bracket (as you know!) doesn't come wrapped in anything, but loose in the bag of nuts and bolts. And for $800 is SHOULD be chrome anyway. I didn't get the bracket replaced, I just got the heatshields replaced, that'd be why she couldn't recall - bit I certainly DID tell her in my original mail, and she said she'd pass the comment on to the right people. The fact they are still doing it speaks volumes. And that instruction sheet! A poor photocopy. How would we feel if we bought an $800 television and the instruction book was a barely legible cheap photocopy? The truth is we are getting a $250 system for our $800......

Jim

sadunbar · « **Reply #88 on:** September 13, 2006, 01:52:08 PM »

Maybe I didn't make my point clearly enough. I am not saying it ok for a manufacturer to have quality problems or design problems. It is not ok for any vendor to ship product with quality issues. I suspect all manufacturers would agree it is not ok for their factories to ship quality issues to customers. But, they all do...some more then others. Sure, it is agravating to those of us that receive the problems, but in my case, Rinehart hand delivered new parts to my home the same day I called Karen, and offered to provide labor to swap the broken part out. In my book, customer service does make a difference. Vance and Hines, on the other hand, provided no assistance and insisted I should deal with the poor guy I bought their pipes from who is just a small distributer trying to make a living. I had an end cap with chrome peeling off of it, still wrapped in plastic in the box with Vance and Hines name all over the box - brand new - and they tell me there is nothing they can do - go see the guy you bought them from. Then they give this guy an even harder time when he tried to do the right thing.

I don't like receiving poor quality goods any more then anyone else, but I will do business with a company that makes it right once it occurs, because like it or not, every manufacture ships some level of quality issues out the door.

sadunbar

Eqcons · « **Reply #89 on:** September 13, 2006, 02:08:49 PM »

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Maybe I didn't make my point clearly enough. I am not saying it ok for a manufacturer to have quality problems or design problems. It is not ok for any vendor to ship product with quality issues. I suspect all manufacturers would agree it is not ok for their factories to ship quality issues to customers. But, they all do...some more then others. Sure, it is agravating to those of us that receive the problems, but in my case, Rinehart hand delivered new parts to my home the same day I called Karen, and offered to provide labor to swap the broken part out. In my book, customer service does make a difference. Vance and Hines, on the other hand, provided no assistance and insisted I should deal with the poor guy I bought their pipes from who is just a distributer. I had an end cap with chrome peeling off of it, still wrapped in plastic in the box with Vance and Hines name all over the box - brand new - and they tell me there is nothing they can do - go see the guy you bought them from. Then they give this guy an even harder time when he tried to do the right thing.

I don't like receiving poor quality goods any more then anyone else, but I will do business with a company that makes it right once it occurs, because like it or not, every manufacture ships some level of quality issues out the door.

sadunbar

Yes, I understand your point, and certainly I agree that good customer service is important, and in general it doesn't get any better than Karen provides on behalf of Bub. Like you, I will continue to buy from a company that shows willing to fix any occasional problems that occur.

But these systems have so many designed in problems - the clearance issue at the rear axle, the clearance issue at the primary cover/the proximity of rubber-melting hot pipe at the passenger footrest because they didn't put that one extra bend in, the clearance issue between the p-clamp and the heatshield, the powder coated bracket that should be chrome and is shipped in the bag where it WILL get damaged, the chitty photocopy that passes for the instructions, the black tips that turn purple..... Now on top of that, look at the manufacturing quality problems that some folks here have had.

Sure, every manufacturer has some quality issues out of the door, but not this many for $800 - that's disgraceful. A little extra work by design, manufacturing, and packaging that would cost them next to nothing, and Karen could be sitting polishing her nails for most of the day; as it is, she must be the busiest person in Bub Enterprises!

If she ever leaves the company, I wonder if you'd rate them so highly then? [smiley=nervous.gif]

MY point is that we shouldn't need to experience the great after-sales service; at the price they cost, they should be perfect 99% of the time.

Jim

Fiestabill · « **Reply #90 on:** September 13, 2006, 06:15:41 PM »

I have installed a set of SE on my ride this weekend. They sound great, the quality is perfect and if it wasn`t, my Dealer is only minutes away. Sounds like many are spending $$ just to say they have a certain brand. Stick with HD Parts when possible. It is only my 2 cents !!

Eqcons · « **Reply #91 on:** September 13, 2006, 06:52:54 PM »

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I have installed a set of SE on my ride this weekend. They sound great, the quality is perfect and if it wasn`t, my Dealer is only minutes away. Sounds like many are spending $$ just to say they have a certain brand. Stick with HD Parts when possible. It is only my 2 cents !!

Yes, I think I'd definitely go with SE mufflers on V&H true duals next time.

However, the quality of many, many genuine HD items is worse than anything that comes out of Bub's factory! Some things just should not ship, as they don't fit/match/work!

Jim

Flying Ace · « **Reply #92 on:** September 13, 2006, 07:23:27 PM »

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Yes, I think I'd definitely go with SE mufflers on V&H true duals next time.

However, the quality of many, many genuine HD items is worse than anything that comes out of Bub's factory! Some things just should not ship, as they don't fit/match/work!

Jim

I've been struggling with this for some time now and I believe that is what I'll probably do. I like the V&H mounting system as opposed to the Rineharts (whom I don't trust anymore). Now to find a SERT MAP for this combo on a 110...

Fired00d · « **Reply #93 on:** September 13, 2006, 07:29:34 PM »

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.... Now to find a SERT MAP for this combo on a 110...

The best map is going to be the one that you have dyno-tuned to your bike. You can get a map from someone else that has the same mods as you and be able to run your bike, but all bikes are different and the best map is one you have dyno'd to/for your bike.

[smiley=pumpkin.gif]
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Fiestabill · « **Reply #94 on:** September 13, 2006, 08:05:50 PM »

If you haven`t purchased a fuel module yet, try FuelMoto. I had decided on a Power Commander. I called them, and told them what modifications I had made. They preset the map and I had the item within two days. The bike runs very well and my fuel MPG is still between 40 and 41 MPG local riding. Yes, I do use premium gas.

grc · « **Reply #95 on:** September 13, 2006, 08:17:23 PM »

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[highlight]If you haven`t purchased a fuel module yet, try FuelMoto.[/highlight] I had decided on a Power Commander. I called them, and told them what modifications I had made. They preset the map and I had the item within two days. The bike runs very well and my fuel MPG is still between 40 and 41 MPG local riding. Yes, I do use premium gas.

FuelMoto carries a large inventory, prices their PC's very competitively, and has an extensive library of maps. I also recommend them. http://www.fuelmotousa.com/

Jerry

110tHunDer · « **Reply #96 on:** September 15, 2006, 09:01:42 PM »

Looks like Karen is going to come through once again! I just got a reply to an e-mail I sent her containing photos and an explanation of the problem. In the reply she said she is trying to ship me out a new left side muffler next week and that they are due in from chrome mid next week.

They must be selling every stinking one of these systems they can make as it appears there are no spare parts in inventory. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

spydglide · « **Reply #97 on:** September 15, 2006, 09:33:31 PM »

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They must be selling every stinking one of these systems they can make as it appears there are no spare parts in inventory. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

they know we 'luv-em' !!!!

har! spyder

ultraredneck · « **Reply #98 on:** September 16, 2006, 05:50:14 AM »

I have the Rineharts as well and have had them for a couple years. They look and sound great (a bit loud, but put in the quiet baffles and it helps a bit) but the quality leave a bit to be desired. In the time I have owned them I have had the following issues.

1. Purple end caps - Bub has replaced them 2 times now.
2. Right side muffler developed a hole where the muffler mounts to the header - Bub replaced it, and even gave me the left side (sweet talked them! [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif])
3. Cracked rear head pipe - Bub replaced it immediately.

All in all Bub's customer service ROCKS!!! That is the one factor that really makes me like these pipes; when ever I have a problem I call and they get out a replacement part the same day....NO HASSLE. Now, does that mean I would buy them again....not sure. But what ever problems you are having just call them and they will make it right (Karen is great!).

Anyway, now to my question for you (and anyone else reading in on this thread). What are you using for tuning your EFI? I have the SERT but I cannot seem to find anyone who can properly tune it here in Germany (BTW, I am American stationed here with the U.S. Army) and my bike still doesn't run quite right in hot weather (get a little pinging). If anyone has a SERT map that they wouldn't mind sharing I would greatly appreciate it. Also, if anyone has a PCIII map that would work too....I also have a PCIII in my garage that I can revert back to if needed.

Good luck on your new pipes and thanks in advance to anyone who can possibly help me.

Randy

Eqcons · « **Reply #99 on:** September 16, 2006, 07:48:52 AM »

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if anyone has a PCIII map that would work too....I also have a PCIII in my garage that I can revert back to if needed.

Your welcome to a copy of my PCIII map if it will suit, Randy - Rineharts & SE (K&N) filter, tuning done by a genuine Power Commander place on their dyno. If your CUSE is set up the same, send me your email address and I'll email it to you.

Jim

110tHunDer · « **Reply #100 on:** September 16, 2006, 08:54:14 AM »

Randy, thanks for your service to our country!

If Eqcons setup matches yours, it sounds like you're all set, but if not, or if you'd rather stay with the SERT, you'd probably get a lot more response if you posted your setup and asked for a map in the "Twin Cam" section of the board.

Also, both PCIII and SERT map files can be attached to posts (just like photos) here on the board, so there's no need to swap e-mail addy's, unless of course you just wanna do it that way.

110tHunDer · « **Reply #101 on:** September 16, 2006, 09:06:57 AM »

Randy, I saw where your first post on the site back on July 22 was asking this same question but did not get any responses. I moved that thread into the Twin Cam section for you hoping it would get more visibility. Here's a link: http://flhrsei.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1153601357

Eqcons · « **Reply #102 on:** September 16, 2006, 09:11:45 AM »

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Also, both PCIII and SERT map files can be attached to posts (just like photos) here on the board, so there's no need to swap e-mail addy's, unless of course you just wanna do it that way.

Good idea 103T! I thought folks would prefer to have such things mailed, but if anyone else with the same setup wants to try my map, attaching it here is good. In fact I'd love to know what other folks think of it! So, it's an advanced map, FLHTCUSE with Rinehart True Duals, and SE (K&N) filter. Took the guy 32 runs on the dyno before he was happy.

Jim

ultraredneck · « **Reply #103 on:** September 16, 2006, 10:13:43 AM »

Thanks Eqcons and 103T, I really appreciate it.

Eqcons,

Yeah, I may give your map a shot just to see how it runs on my bike. I wonder though, since I have a modified SERT map on my ECM now...should I zero that out before I re-install my PCIII and apply your map? What do you think? The way I understand...the PCIII will override what ever the ECM has anyway so zeroizing it may be unnecessary...or am I wrong? Thanks for the help!

103T,

Yeah, I posted this earlier but didn't receive much traffic on it. I guess since I am new to this board maybe I didn't place it in the right section. Thanks for the help!

Randy

Eqcons · « **Reply #104 on:** September 16, 2006, 10:25:15 AM »

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Thanks Eqcons and 103T, I really appreciate it.

Eqcons,

Yeah, I may give your map a shot just to see how it runs on my bike. I wonder though, since I have a modified SERT map on my ECM now...should I zero that out before I re-install my PCIII and apply your map? What do you think? The way I understand...the PCIII will override what ever the ECM has anyway so zeroizing it may be unnecessary...or am I wrong? Thanks for the help!

Randy

Hmmmmm..... My first though was no, you need the ECM to be at factory settings, as the PCIII builds on those. But you started me thinking that maybe I'm wrong in always assuming that! So............... I don't know, but there are lots of guys around here who do, and I guess one will be along shortly.

It would be nice if some other folks got some use of that map - it cost $400!

Jim

110tHunDer · « **Reply #105 on:** September 16, 2006, 11:51:37 AM »

Eqcons is right . . . . the PCIII will build off of whatever "base" map has been installed. If Eqcons map was built from a completely stock map, you should remove your current tuning before hooking up the PCIII and using his map.

Robmay · « **Reply #106 on:** September 25, 2006, 07:36:57 PM »

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No, I don't believe you are right sadunbar! The SERVICE isn't the issue; Karen is great, and is a real asset to them. The QUALITY is poor in numerous respects; some of us are more tolerant of that than others, but each and every set has had the same problems peculiar to which version they are. There is no way on this planet [highlight]that for $800 even [/highlight]one person should have the problems. That great service that you (and I, and others) have discovered would not be known to so many of us if the quality matched the price in the first place.

Jim

I keep hearing about $800 being very expensive. Does this include the mufflers? If so I would say they are in line if not that is a bit high.

Robmay · « **Reply #107 on:** September 25, 2006, 07:42:45 PM »

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I've been struggling with this for some time now and I believe that is what I'll probably do. I like the V&H mounting system as opposed to the Rineharts (whom I don't trust anymore). Now to find a SERT MAP for this combo on a 110...

Scott,

Check out the Basani's.

Eqcons · « **Reply #108 on:** September 25, 2006, 07:48:04 PM »

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I keep hearing about $800 being very expensive. Does this include the mufflers? If so I would say they are in line if not that is a bit high.

Yes, it includes the mufflers.

110tHunDer · « **Reply #109 on:** September 25, 2006, 07:54:09 PM »

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I keep hearing about $800 being very expensive. Does this include the mufflers? If so I would say they are in line if not that is a bit high.

I got mine from www.directparts.com for $675 delivered.

Robmay · « **Reply #110 on:** September 27, 2006, 08:30:42 PM »

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I got mine from www.directparts.com for $675 delivered.

How did yours fit?

spydglide · « **Reply #111 on:** September 27, 2006, 08:48:49 PM »

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How did yours fit?

Hey RobMay.......you didn't really ask him that, now did you? [smiley=nervous.gif] har! spyder

110tHunDer · « **Reply #112 on:** September 28, 2006, 12:02:16 AM »

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How did yours fit?

Don't know yet. [smiley=nixweiss.gif] The bike's in the shop now. You're not saying cheap ones don't fit good, are you? [smiley=nervous.gif]

spydglide · « **Reply #113 on:** September 28, 2006, 12:32:15 AM »

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Don't know yet. [smiley=nixweiss.gif] The bike's in the shop now. You're not saying cheap ones don't fit good, are you? [smiley=nervous.gif]

He must not know (past posts) the probs you've had with getting those pipes right from the git-go. [smiley=nervous.gif] har! spyder

110tHunDer · « **Reply #114 on:** September 28, 2006, 07:36:39 AM »

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He must not know (past posts) the probs you've had with getting those pipes right from the git-go. [smiley=nervous.gif] har! spyder

Still have not received the replacement left-side pipe from Karen.

The good news about that is you guys in Maggie Valley will get to see WTF I'm talking about with this discoloration. The bad news is that my bike will look like CHIT for Maggie Valley.

spydglide · « **Reply #115 on:** September 28, 2006, 08:14:24 AM »

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Still have not received the replacement left-side pipe from Karen. The good news about that is [highlight]you guys in Maggie Valley will get to see WTF I'm talking about with this discoloration.[/highlight] The bad news is that my bike will look like CHIT for Maggie Valley.

well, you know that some of us (D00d, Spiderman, & other C.O.B.B's) will not be able to get down low enough to see these blemishes......and still be able to get back up. [smiley=nervous.gif] har! [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif] spyder

sqrrl24 · « **Reply #116 on:** September 28, 2006, 01:29:07 PM »

Installed rineharts on 04 [smiley=pumpkin.gif] . I am by no means a super wrench but I would not wish that job on anybody. After 2 hours of tweak here tweak there and one call to Unbalanced. I finished it this morning. All my parts looked great. I had same problem as Eqcons did with p clamp and heat sheild but after I gently forced it on it does'nt look bad but it is touching the p clamp. There is very little clearance in several areas and heat sheilds fit tight mostly around clamps. I have not rode it yet cause it is now raining. I hope I don't get blueing on heat sheilds but I think there is strong possibility I will. I am running a thundermax ecm and I downloaded there map, so I don't think the tune will be the cause if they do blue. I will post back the outcome.

Robmay · « **Reply #117 on:** September 28, 2006, 02:32:16 PM »

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Don't know yet. [smiley=nixweiss.gif] The bike's in the shop now. You're not saying cheap ones don't fit good, are you? [smiley=nervous.gif]

I'm sorry 103.... I got lost in the madness!!! [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif] I did not even look at your avitar for some reason when I posted that!! I just wanted to know if they were all troublesome because the Reinharts were my second choice behind the Basani's. I have had such good dealings with Rick at Brakesoft though that I am surely gonna give the Bassani's first shot. IF (IF) I get my SE in time he already has a set ordered for me to put on at Biketoberfest. He said I should go with the 3" muffs he has to let that 110 breath. Just not sure I will like the sound or not. I like the sound of the muffs on my 05 ultra but will they let it breath properly? I really don't think they would restrict the flow anymore than the stock pipes.

110tHunDer · « **Reply #118 on:** September 28, 2006, 09:30:25 PM »

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I am running a thundermax ecm and I downloaded there map . . .

sqrrl, curious what Zipper's mods you did and if they had a map that matched them. I'd have probably gone that route, but at the time, they only had maps for the larger TB which I decided against. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

sqrrl24 · « **Reply #119 on:** September 28, 2006, 10:24:47 PM »

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sqrrl, curious what Zipper's mods you did and if they had a map that matched them. I'd have probably gone that route, but at the time, they only had maps for the larger TB which I decided against. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

103,
My mods are zippers wide A/C, Thundermax ECM & Rineharts std baffles. With the newest software smartlink IV they have more maps. the map I used was a match to my setup. I just got back from taking a short ride and I am pleased with sound & performance so far. (I am comparing it to my 05 [smiley=banana.gif] with SE A/C Race Tuner & White Bro E series 2-1 Dyno tuned at 96hp 100 ft TQ.) the Rineharts are not to loud till you really get on it then its loud. I like it. and it is louder than E series. I am going to have it on a dyno soon to see what I actualy have.(Monday or tuesday hopefully) I will post it when I get it.

Eqcons · « **Reply #120 on:** September 29, 2006, 05:46:12 AM »

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After 2 hours of tweak here tweak there .... There is very little clearance in several areas .....

The other problem you may have is that after all your hard work tweaking to get the clearances as good as you can, every time you ride a while, when you stop, the clearances have disappeared again....

Jim

Unbalanced · « **Reply #121 on:** October 02, 2006, 04:04:04 PM »

Guys,

For those with issues please ask to speak to Karen at ext 108. She is super nice and easy to deal with a real down to earth type of person. I have had Extensive conversations with her over the old original and first 2 fixes rear cylinder problems. There hasn't been an incident that she hasnt come through for me or my friends or others I have sent to her. I would recommend though to deal with her and give her the benefit of the doubt that she is there to HELP you and I bet you will find it a pleasuarble event even though it is a warranty issue to begin with.

Eqcons · « **Reply #122 on:** October 02, 2006, 04:40:25 PM »

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Guys,

For those with issues please ask to speak to Karen at ext 108. She is super nice and easy to deal with a real down to earth type of person. I have had Extensive conversations with her over the old original and first 2 fixes rear cylinder problems. There hasn't been an incident that she hasnt come through for me or my friends or others I have sent to her. I would recommend though to deal with her and give her the benefit of the doubt that she is there to HELP you and I bet you will find it a pleasuarble event even though it is a warranty issue to begin with.

Seconded. You could not find a nicer, more helpful person to deal with. But all her helpfullness can't make up for the shortcomings in the product.... :-/

Jim

spydglide · « **Reply #123 on:** October 02, 2006, 05:19:41 PM »

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Seconded. You could not find a nicer, more helpful person to deal with. But all her helpfullness can't make up for the shortcomings in the product.... :-/

Jim

Hey Jim, it goes a long way in my book and is much better than the alternative......ie: excuses, delays, un-helpful, nasty attitudes, etc., etc. I'd much rather have someone trying to make things right than having the all-too-common attitude of 'take the money and run'. True, any problem with a product results in aggrevation, but I truly appreciate someone trying to make things right. jmho.

spyder

Eqcons · « **Reply #124 on:** October 02, 2006, 05:24:23 PM »

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Hey Jim, it goes a long way in my book and is much better than the alternative......ie: excuses, delays, un-helpful, nasty attitudes, etc., etc. I'd much rather have someone trying to make things right than having the all-too-common attitude of 'take the money and run'. True, any problem with a product results in aggrevation, but I truly appreciate someone trying to make things right. jmho. spyder

Fully agree, Spyd - but the faults can't be made right with the same replacement parts; these are design flaws in the main. So yes, they look good, but I won't be having them again - just not for me.

Jim

spydglide · « **Reply #125 on:** October 17, 2006, 02:50:41 PM »

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Guys,

For those with issues please ask to speak to Karen at[highlight] ext 108. [/highlight] She is super nice and easy to deal with a real down to earth type of person. I have had Extensive conversations with her over the old original and first 2 fixes rear cylinder problems. There hasn't been an incident that she hasnt come through for me or my friends or others I have sent to her. I would recommend though to deal with her and give her the benefit of the doubt that she is there to HELP you and I bet you will find it a pleasuarble event even though it is a warranty issue to begin with.

Just cracked another rear pipe on my Bub Reinharts on the way back from MV. Not a good time, either, as I was getting ready to head down to Daytona for Biketoberfest. Called Karen at this number mentioned above and it's no longer a valid extension according to the mailbox. Karen is on vacation and I can't seem to reach her assistant (yet). My question to those of you with the 'new, improved' fix for the rear pipe problem is: does it remedy the problem of the pipe cracking at the mounting tab that hooks to the starter bracket? I love these pipes but the hassle is on-going.

thanks, spyder

110tHunDer · « **Reply #126 on:** October 17, 2006, 07:33:59 PM »

Spyder, that blows! I hope this didn't cause you to miss your trip. Did you take the "SpyderMobile" instead???

1,300 miles and no cracks (yet) on mine.

skyglide · « **Reply #127 on:** October 17, 2006, 08:14:54 PM »

I have an extra rear header pipe if anyone needs one.

spydglide · « **Reply #128 on:** October 17, 2006, 11:17:43 PM »

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Spyder, that blows! I hope this didn't cause you to miss your trip. Did you take the "SpyderMobile" instead???

1,300 miles and no cracks (yet) on mine.

I know, I know.......but, I talked w/ Bub Enterprises warrenty dept. today (Karen is on vacation, but her assistant is gonna send me a new replacement pipe with the new saddle bracket instead of the welded on tab) but I won't be able to get it fixed in time to take the SEEG to Florida......means the ole softtail (SpyderMobile) will be on the road south Thursday. Doesn't cruise as fast, but is a lot cooler in the warmer climes and heavy traffic down in Daytona. 8-) spyder

Midnight Rider · « **Reply #129 on:** October 18, 2006, 09:58:55 AM »

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I know, I know.......but, I talked w/ Bub Enterprises warrenty dept. today (Karen is on vacation, but her assistant is gonna send me a new replacement pipe with the new saddle bracket instead of the welded on tab) but I won't be able to get it fixed in time to take the SEEG to Florida......means the ole softtail (SpyderMobile) will be on the road south Thursday. Doesn't cruise as fast, but is a lot cooler in the warmer climes and heavy traffic down in Daytona. 8-) spyder

Spydy....glad to hear that you're getting taken care of with the new style bracket...too bad the SEEG won't make the trip to Daytona, but the temps around here have moderated again, so the softail should be a nice ride down to that sunny southern weather...tell Spider, Jorge and the rest of the crew I said hello, and you be safe!!

All those Rhineharts in MV made me want a set myself, but that will have to wait a little while...

Fired00d · « **Reply #130 on:** October 18, 2006, 10:21:36 AM »

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I know, I know.......but, I talked w/ Bub Enterprises warrenty dept. today (Karen is on vacation, but her assistant is gonna send me a new replacement pipe with the new saddle bracket instead of the welded on tab) but I won't be able to get it fixed in time to take the SEEG to Florida......means the ole softtail (SpyderMobile) will be on the road south Thursday. Doesn't cruise as fast, but is a lot cooler in the warmer climes and heavy traffic down in Daytona. 8-) spyder

Spyder,
Glad they are taking care of you. Shame you will not be able to ride the B/B down, but the SpyderMobile will be just fine, and like you said probably be better off in the warmer climate. Have a great time down there and bring some of that warm weather back up w/you.

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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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spydglide · « **Reply #131 on:** October 18, 2006, 11:04:42 AM »

thanks Guys, if I can ever get the 'honey-dos' taken care of I might get outta here. Of course, monitoring this addictive web-site doesn't help either. har! [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif] spyder

Cerdo · « **Reply #132 on:** October 19, 2006, 10:48:06 PM »

Mine cracked on my 06 last year, and chrome problems too! Never again for me on this new bike!

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