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CVO Technical => Drive Train => Topic started by: Chopdoc on May 31, 2020, 01:06:54 PM
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The clutch on my FLHTCUSE2 is slipping.
Any advice on best parts? Motor is basically stock.
What should I get?
Anything else recommended I replace or upgrade on the primary side while we have it open? Compensator? Whatever?
Thanks for any advice.
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The clutch on my FLHTCUSE2 is slipping.
Any advice on best parts? Motor is basically stock.
What should I get?
Anything else recommended I replace or upgrade on the primary side while we have it open? Compensator? Whatever?
Thanks for any advice.
2007 was the new compensator that gave so many so much trouble. If you're in there and it's still the original that has to be a consideration. Of all the things Harley does that probes to be "iffy" the clutch pack isn't really one of them though. If you just wore yours out the replacement pieces from Harley aren't a bad option. Might as well get discs and plates while you're at it; some kits are out there for just discs.
There's good stuff in the aftermarket too. You'be got options but the clutch pack isn't something to go wild on if you're engine is still stock or relatively so.
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are you sure yours doesn't just need a fluid change and an adjustment?
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are you sure yours doesn't just need a fluid change and an adjustment?
No adjustment to the hydraulic clutch.
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I would do the comp without question. For the clutch pack we have really good luck with the Barnett extra plate kits.
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X2 on the clutch fluid. Easiest to start with....
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No adjustment to the hydraulic clutch.
you're right, wasn't thinking. but, i would still start with the fluid, making sure that it is 'wet clutch' friendly too.
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you're right, wasn't thinking. but, i would still start with the fluid, making sure that it is 'wet clutch' friendly too.
Cheapest and easiest thing first. Every time. Wouldn't even change the derby cover gasket when I knew I was still just testing to see if I solved a problem.
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Thanks guys.
Primary fluid is good, hydraulic is good.
Going to get Harley plates and discs and probably upgrade compensator if it is original.
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Thanks guys.
Primary fluid is good, hydraulic is good.
Going to get Harley plates and discs and probably upgrade compensator if it is original.
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The compensator kit will have you glue a new part inside your existing inner primary. That glue kit does not come with the compensator parts kit. It's also surprisingly expensive. If you're getting the parts at your local dealership ask the service counter if they'll glue the oil tray in for you if you bring your cover in.
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go with the heavier SE clutch spring when you have it open.
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Alto carbonite extra plate clutch, Alto, SE, or S&S heavy duty spring, ATF synthetic auto trans. oil, and you're good to go. Not a build leaves here without this combo, even if the owner has arthritis, or carpal tunnel syndrome. :o
John
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Alto carbonite extra plate clutch, Alto, SE, or S&S heavy duty spring, ATF synthetic auto trans. oil, and you're good to go. Not a build leaves here without this combo, even if the owner has arthritis, or carpal tunnel syndrome. :o
John
1+ on the Alto Carbonite clutch. Has worked very well for me
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We put a Screamin Eagle compensator in it.
Turned out the clutch is fine, it was just the compensator.
After that, noticed belt was done, really tore up.
Replaced belt with stock Harley part.
My buddy did the work.
First ride was fine for 15 minutes, then started making noise. Lots of noise. Like belt was shredding. Like tumbling rocks in a can.
Took bag off. I noticed adjustment was way back on axle, like a stretched out old belt. Odd for new belt.
My buddy has an 07 FLHX so we compared. His rear pulley is a half inch larger in diameter than mine, and solid mounted.
Mine is not solid mounted.
I know I don't have the original wheels, now I am pretty darn certain it isn't the original pulley.
Frankenbike I think.
Anyway, I saw some stuff about this "tumbling rocks" sound when searching, and stuff about installing the 2008 IDS mount for the pulley.
Our original thought was to go back to the original pulley, now I read about IDS...so not sure.
At the moment I do not know if the stock front pulley is on it or if the gear ratio in the primary is stock. I'll have to dig into all that.
Any thoughts, suggestions, advice, etc in these matters will be appreciated.
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Start by counting the teeth of the trans output sprocket and the rear wheel sprocket. Stock numbers are 32 and 66, with a 137 tooth belt for the 2007 FLHTCUSE2. The compensator sprocket is 34 teeth. If a previous owner messed with the final drive ratio by changing sprockets and belt, and you replaced that belt with the correct one for your model, that might explain why your adjustment is near the end of it's travel. Btw, your gearing should be identical to your friends FLHX.
There are other items that could cause your box of rocks noise. One would be a loose compensator bolt, another would be a primary chain adjuster failure.
Jerry
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Start by counting the teeth of the trans output sprocket and the rear wheel sprocket. Stock numbers are 32 and 66, with a 137 tooth belt for the 2007 FLHTCUSE2. The compensator sprocket is 34 teeth. If a previous owner messed with the final drive ratio by changing sprockets and belt, and you replaced that belt with the correct one for your model, that might explain why your adjustment is near the end of it's travel. Btw, your gearing should be identical to your friends FLHX.
There are other items that could cause your box of rocks noise. One would be a loose compensator bolt, another would be a primary chain adjuster failure.
Jerry
Thanks so much.
The compensator and tensioner are good. Everything inside the primary is good, but we'll double check the tooth counts to make sure all that is original. I think it is but we'll make darn sure.
Thanks for confirming my friend's FLHX has the same gearing. I was assuming that.
We'll dig into it this weekend and see what's in there.
It's hard for me to judge the location of sounds due to hearing damage (incident with a .357 a long time ago), but it sure does sound like the noise is behind me when I am riding, not under me or in the primary. I know...strange.
That made me question the rear wheel bearings, but we put new rear wheel bearings in it less than 5,000 miles back.
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So the bike makes the noise when I push it in neutral with the motor off.
Just noticed this.
Sort of a clicking and grinding.
It's a heck of a lot more when actually riding it, but it's definitely there when you push it in neutral with the engine off.
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It's the rear bearings. They were new.
Turns out the bike has the IDS conversion. 66t stock size pulley.
We had put the stock size 07 bearings in after finding narrow bearings in it. We thought they were wrong but didn't know the pulley mount was not stock.
Does the IDS conversion take a different bearing?
Where can I find asembly instructions and part numbers for this so I know we have it right?
The inside of my pulley is galled, so maybe we didn’t have it together right?
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I have harley 37781-08 pulley.
That's the 08 66t.
And I have the matching harley 40560-05 inner part.
What bearings, spcars, etc do I need to make this work?
As I said, we put 07 bearings in it and tore everything up.
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Another complication. The axle was changed to a metric axle. Why? AFAIK the conversion uses the original 1 inch axle.
Looks like someone did this conversion with a mixture of parts.
I got the service parts list, diagram, and instructions from Harley for the IDS conversion/upgrade. I can scan and post them if anybody needs them.