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CVO Technical => General CVO discussion => Topic started by: 3mcam on September 13, 2021, 04:03:23 PM

Title: Pros & Cons to leaving a bike stock
Post by: 3mcam on September 13, 2021, 04:03:23 PM: To all the guru's out there. Getting a 2021 CVO Limited. My plan is to leave the engine and exhaust stock. Adding reverse and Iride suspension by Thundermax. So What say you?
Title: Re: Pros & Cons to leaving a bike stock
Post by: SIKBIRD on September 13, 2021, 04:21:55 PM: Quote from: 3mcam on September 13, 2021, 04:03:23 PM
To all the guru's out there. Getting a 2021 CVO Limited. My plan is to leave the engine and exhaust stock. Adding reverse and Iride suspension by Thundermax. So What say you?

Pros: factory warranty left intact, easier to find replacement parts for stock bikes, never have to worry if the tech (or you if you’re wrenching) installed the parts correctly, could make it easier to sell down the road, you can spend your time riding rather than researching and wrenching (but then again researching and wrenching are part of the fun, especially in the winter)

Cons: not near as much fun as making it your own, leaving HP and torque on the table, factory mufflers stifle that beautiful exhaust note that Harleys are known for

Summary: it’s your bike and I think you should do whatever you want to it…nothing wrong with stock or modified as long as YOU are happy with it!
Title: Re: Pros & Cons to leaving a bike stock
Post by: CVODON on September 13, 2021, 05:10:15 PM: Definitely makes them easier to sell. I never consider used bikes (or cars) mainly because I have no idea what modifications were done and by whom.
Title: Re: Pros & Cons to leaving a bike stock
Post by: 3mcam on September 13, 2021, 07:12:56 PM: Thanks for the input guys. I really like how quite the bikes were when I test drove them in Sturgis this year.
My main concern was if there were any grenades counting down from poor quality parts.
Title: Re: Pros & Cons to leaving a bike stock
Post by: Cvostu on September 13, 2021, 09:05:54 PM: My mako is stock. It's fine for me. I have a big investment in the audio with a top of the line soundz system that I can enjoy at any speed. No advil needed after a long day. I did upgrade the suspension front and rear with legend suspension. And of course a comfy seat with higher bars and a windvest screen. Those are my mods and very happy with my decision to leave the motor alone on that one. Just my. 02..Stuart
Title: Re: Pros & Cons to leaving a bike stock
Post by: Twolanerider on September 13, 2021, 10:16:06 PM: I appreciate a stock bike and am glad I've kept mine that way.
Title: Re: Pros & Cons to leaving a bike stock
Post by: Finster101 on September 14, 2021, 08:06:47 PM: Quote from: Twolanerider on September 13, 2021, 10:16:06 PM
I appreciate a stock bike and am glad I've kept mine that way.

I'm not sure. Is that supposed to be sarcasm?
Title: Re: Pros & Cons to leaving a bike stock
Post by: Fired00d on September 14, 2021, 08:56:24 PM: Quote from: Finster101 on September 14, 2021, 08:06:47 PM

I'm not sure. Is that supposed to be sarcasm?
Nope, that's (http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=20561.0;attach=55255;image)... only thing that may still be stock on his bikes is the paint. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:

:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Title: Re: Pros & Cons to leaving a bike stock
Post by: iski on September 15, 2021, 03:48:57 AM: Quote from: Fired00d on September 14, 2021, 08:56:24 PM
Nope, that's (http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=20561.0;attach=55255;image)... only thing that may still be stock on his bikes is the paint. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:

:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:

There was an unsubstantiated rumor that one of the springs on one of Twolane's bike jiffy stands was stock, but it turned out to be untrue.

;D
Title: Re: Pros & Cons to leaving a bike stock
Post by: Twolanerider on September 15, 2021, 06:02:43 PM: Quote from: Finster101 on September 14, 2021, 08:06:47 PM

I'm not sure. Is that supposed to be sarcasm?

No. Just an invitation to unwarranted responses from my elders.

Like that ↓

Quote from: Fired00d on September 14, 2021, 08:56:24 PM
Nope, that's (http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=20561.0;attach=55255;image)... only thing that may still be stock on his bikes is the paint. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:

:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:

Luvya brother :huepfenlol2: :drink:
Title: Re: Pros & Cons to leaving a bike stock
Post by: Fired00d on September 15, 2021, 07:24:52 PM: Quote from: Twolanerider on September 15, 2021, 06:02:43 PM
No. Just an invitation to unwarranted responses from my elders.

Like that ↓

Quote from: Fired00d on September 14, 2021, 08:56:24 PM
Nope, that's (http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=20561.0;attach=55255;image)... only thing that may still be stock on his bikes is the paint. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:

:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:

Luvya brother :huepfenlol2: :drink:
LOL!!! Back atcha!! :2vrolijk_21:

:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Title: Re: Pros & Cons to leaving a bike stock
Post by: 3mcam on September 16, 2021, 10:19:53 AM: So I take it that there are no critical components that I need to be concerned about?
Title: Re: Pros & Cons to leaving a bike stock
Post by: Finster101 on September 16, 2021, 02:44:50 PM: I have two friends with M8 motors that have left them stock except for one that installed slip on mufflers. They are both happy with the set ups. They are not CVO bikes though.
Title: Re: Pros & Cons to leaving a bike stock
Post by: joe98 on October 12, 2021, 01:16:14 PM: Pros: more money in your pocket, easier to repair when touring if not equipped with heavily modified parts(non factory equipment)

Cons: could get boring sooner than later, just another bike in the crowd

Nothing wrong with adding a set of mufflers, just to give it some more bark …
Title: Re: Pros & Cons to leaving a bike stock
Post by: Twolanerider on October 12, 2021, 06:36:12 PM: My bikes still identify as stock (petulant remarks of friends notwithstanding). My bikes also, unfortunately, also only identify as being as well ridden as they used to be. Best of all though is that they are still identified in my garage.
Title: Re: Pros & Cons to leaving a bike stock
Post by: Fired00d on October 12, 2021, 07:26:48 PM: Quote from: Twolanerider on October 12, 2021, 06:36:12 PM
My bikes still identify as stock (petulant remarks of friends notwithstanding). My bikes also, unfortunately, also only identify as being as well ridden as they used to be. Best of all though is that they are still identified in my garage.
:lipsrsealed2:

:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Title: Re: Pros & Cons to leaving a bike stock
Post by: Twolanerider on October 12, 2021, 07:47:44 PM: Quote from: Fired00d on October 12, 2021, 07:26:48 PM
:lipsrsealed2:

:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:

:huepfenlol2: :drink: :huepfenlol2:
Title: Re: Pros & Cons to leaving a bike stock
Post by: Rimjam on October 20, 2021, 09:48:10 AM: Modify to your heart's content, just be mindful that you will not get your money back when it's time to sell or trade. The closer to stock a bike is to a buyer the more chance they have to 'make it their own' just like you did. "The vision of one man does not lend itself to another". - Gibran
Title: Re: Pros & Cons to leaving a bike stock
Post by: HOGMIKE on October 20, 2021, 12:39:07 PM: Quote from: Rimjam on October 20, 2021, 09:48:10 AM
Modify to your heart's content, just be mindful that you will not get your money back when it's time to sell or trade. The closer to stock a bike is to a buyer the more chance they have to 'make it their own' just like you did. "The vision of one man does not lend itself to another". - Gibran

For myself, I didn’t plan on getting my money back with the changes I’ve made, but I do have some friends dumping $$$$ into sound systems, motor mods, etc and are offended when the dealer offers them blue book on a trade in!
I still have my EVO with LOTS of $$$$ invested, but it’s a keeper and I always get comments when I ride it. Same thing with my rod, built to keep ME happy.
But, that’s me.
8)
Title: Re: Pros & Cons to leaving a bike stock
Post by: CowboyBagger on December 16, 2021, 12:37:05 AM: Had a 2007 bagger that I kept stock. Hated riding it. No power, crappy seat, terrible sound system and really bad suspension. Needless to say, I didn't ride it much. When I traded in 2012 it only had 5000 miles on it.

Bought a 2012 FLHXSE3. Without even test riding it, I added: Drago's 2 into 1, TMan Cam, TTS Mastertuner, Tuned by a pro, Corbin Seat and some minor cosmetics. This, I was pretty happy with.

Six months later, I kept reading on this forum the guys doing a little more engine work to be really happy. So, time for a little engine work: Sent the Heads to TMan to grind, port and polish, Bottom end to Dark Horse to true, weld and balance, SE 10.5 pistons, Lifters, Throttle Body, Rods, New TMan Cam, Tuned by Robin 125 squared. Extremely happy camper.

More forum reading, time for new bars, new sound system and new suspension.

More forum reading will make you spend money, but you'll probably have a bike that you'll keep forever.

Seriously, you don't need to do all that I did to be very happy with your bike. I would always recommend: Exhaust, Cam and Tuner. That alone will make you very happy with your bike. After the 2007, I would never even consider leaving one stock.

Cowboy
Title: Re: Pros & Cons to leaving a bike stock
Post by: Phaedrus on December 21, 2021, 04:26:23 PM: Well, a stock HD is a very rare item! :)
Title: Re: Pros & Cons to leaving a bike stock
Post by: hogsty on December 21, 2021, 05:15:49 PM: I bought a bike back in 07 and swore I was going to keep the 103 stock. Then I went on our yearly trip with friends. I think it was when riding the Forrest Gump road out in Monument Valley when I had the throttle wide open and my friend on a mildly equipped 96 just pulled away from me. He continued to get enjoyment out of doing that the rest of the trip.

We got home, and I got to work on that engine.

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Title: Re: Pros & Cons to leaving a bike stock
Post by: Finster101 on December 21, 2021, 07:04:38 PM: The problem for a buyer of a modified bike is you rarely know the quality of the work performed.
Title: Re: Pros & Cons to leaving a bike stock
Post by: timo482 on December 22, 2021, 12:52:53 AM: absolutely do whatever you want.. just don't whine if you don't get warranty and don't expect to get any of the mod money when you sell it.. if you trade it many dealers discount what they think it will take to get it back to stock from the trade value.. just the way it is
Title: Re: Pros & Cons to leaving a bike stock
Post by: kojak on December 23, 2021, 04:05:04 AM: I have the same bike you want to buy. 20 years ago, a Harley that broke a 100 hp was considered a big deal and riders would spend big bucks to break the century mark. These days, they do the same to get 140+ hp, lol.
I find the 117 M8 engine perfectly fine, done a lot of 2 up riding on it this year all over the country. It doesn’t throw off lot of heat in stop and go traffic, has plenty of get up and go, gets good gas mileage, even the stock suspension is decent. Mechanically, I added fullsac baffles to the stock exhaust and that was it. I did upgrade the stereo with a focal amp and speakers.
Title: Re: Pros & Cons to leaving a bike stock
Post by: Cvostu on December 23, 2021, 04:01:01 PM: I'm all for upgrading suspension and audio. Good enough for me. Stuart
Title: Re: Pros & Cons to leaving a bike stock
Post by: 3mcam on December 28, 2021, 09:35:36 AM: Love the bike with just a few exception's. No Sirius radio, 18" rims, non adjustable rear floorboards. Mods made: Iride suspension, lower fairing speakers, low profile solo seat, detachable tourpak and changed the rims and tires to 16". The 16" wheels with a low profile tire along with the low profile seat and the Iride auto adjusting shocks made the bike ridable as I am vertically challenged.
I really love the power and how QUITE it is with stock exhaust. Absolutely LOVE the Bronze Armour color scheme.
Title: Re: Pros & Cons to leaving a bike stock
Post by: Pan1 on December 28, 2021, 09:36:37 PM: First bike rode stock with mufflers for 4 years. Second bike mufflers and stage 1 tune. Third bike, saved money then 110 HD performance upgrade ( should have done it sooner) Fourth bike, saved money and TC 117 HD upgrade ( should have done it sooner) Fifth and current bike ( 131 HD kit and Legend Suspension ) before it left the showroom

My lesson learned is HD's are expensive toys and you might as well enjoy them.