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CVO Social => Other Topics => Topic started by: 16HD117 on December 29, 2007, 11:55:27 AM
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Anybody know someone who can get a speeding ticket from the GA State Patrol fixed??? While out riding last night between rain showers I saw a car that was coming at me jump the center median and do a U turn. When I saw it was a state trooper my first though was "I wonder who he's after?". We I looked down at my speedometer, I knew who! He clocked me at 82, but was nice enough to write the ticket for 70 in a 45 which will make it a speeding charge instead of wreckless driving.
First ticket since 91, guess I was due!
:( :(
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I know it depends on the city and the prosecutor (sp), but I have just gone by the prosecutors office and talk to them about it, and a few times, I have gotten them to drop it to an equipment violation without hiring a lawyer. It might be worth a phone call or a visit. :2vrolijk_21:
Hobo
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Anybody know someone who can get a speeding ticket from the GA State Patrol fixed??? While out riding last night between rain showers I saw a car that was coming at me jump the center median and do a U turn. When I saw it was a state trooper my first though was "I wonder who he's after?". We I looked down at my speedometer, I knew who! He clocked me at 82, but was nice enough to write the ticket for 70 in a 45 which will make it a speeding charge instead of wreckless driving.
First ticket since 91, guess I was due!
:( :(
You're very, very lucky...in any other jurisdiction that I know of, even 25 mph over the posted spead limit is still reckless driving. Wow, 82 in a 45? I hate to say it, but bite the bullet and pay the fine...almost twice the speed limit...you were definitely speeding Bro!!!! :-*
Cheers :2vrolijk_21:,
:devil:
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yep, anything over 15+mph over the limit is a problem in NC. :-[ aaargh. :'( spyder
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You're very, very lucky...in any other jurisdiction that I know of, even 25 mph over the posted spead limit is still reckless driving. Wow, 82 in a 45? I hate to say it, but bite the bullet and pay the fine...almost twice the speed limit...you were definitely speeding Bro!!!! :-*
Cheers :2vrolijk_21:,
:devil:
Ain't that the truth!!!
Tommy you're lucky that you are not a Virginia resident and got caught here with our Unsafe Driving Fees (Abusive Driver Fees) (http://www.dmv.state.va.us/exec/notice.asp?id=39). :nervous:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Anybody know someone who can get a speeding ticket from the GA State Patrol fixed??? While out riding last night between rain showers I saw a car that was coming at me jump the center median and do a U turn. When I saw it was a state trooper my first though was "I wonder who he's after?". We I looked down at my speedometer, I knew who! He clocked me at 82, but was nice enough to write the ticket for 70 in a 45 which will make it a speeding charge instead of wreckless driving.
First ticket since 91, guess I was due!
:( :(
Mi amigo Tommy...if you were in Florida I have a lawyer who I have used his sservices for 15 years which for $69.00 get rid of the ticket...........I hope that you resolve the problem the best way.
Jorge
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Bummer man. Sounds like you were overdue. I am. :nervous:
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Anybody know someone who can get a speeding ticket from the GA State Patrol fixed??? While out riding last night between rain showers I saw a car that was coming at me jump the center median and do a U turn. When I saw it was a state trooper my first though was "I wonder who he's after?". We I looked down at my speedometer, I knew who! He clocked me at 82, but was nice enough to write the ticket for 70 in a 45 which will make it a speeding charge instead of wreckless driving.
First ticket since 91, guess I was due!
:( :(
Tommy,
This is really weird, I got my first ticket in years on Thursday... 61 in a 45. Mine was a Cobb County motorofficer to top it off! I was in the car but I had an H-D decal on the back of the truck, you'd think he would have cut me some slack. I'm glad he reduced the speed at least, I'm sure that would have been ugly. ???
Bob
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It has been advertised all over the papers, the tv and the radio in our area that the police are out in force, and will ticket for anything and everything. No appologies, no exceptions and the tickets in our area are enough to be equal to a house mortgage, plus points on your licence which then in turn affects your insurance. And in the last three weeks, we have certainly witnessed a lot of LEO out on the roads, and often having someone pulled over. Tommy, hire a good lawyer.
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Tommy man sorry to hear about your ticket.... You just git caught up in the moment and you get caught....... BUMMER.
One of the service guys got a Speeding ticket the other day and hired a Lawyer and got it reduced to equipment malfunction. I think it cost $250.00 for the lawyer, but the goods news is NO POINTS. I would MOST DEFFINALY hire a Lawyer.
Like HOBO said go talk to the Prosecuting Attorney Who knows it can't hurt.
Good Luck
~bubba~
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Be thankful, Ontario just enacted a law that says if you get caught doing 50 Km/hr (31 mph) over the limt it's an automatic 7 day licence suspension and the vehicle gets impounded for the same length of time.
This is done at the roadside with no chance to appeal the suspension or siezure.
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Be thankful, Ontario just enacted a law that says if you get caught doing 50 Km/hr (31 mph) over the limt it's an automatic 7 day licence suspension and the vehicle gets impounded for the same length of time.
This is done at the roadside with no chance to appeal the suspension or siezure.
And lots of times, the damage done to the vehicle (scooter) is significant while hauling it in. :nervous: aaaargh. spyder
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I'd defiantly hire a lawyer. If your luck runs like mine you might get another one. I always take defensive driving class or whatever it takes to try & keep it from going on my record. Once they're on, they stay a long time. Just my $.02 worth! Linny
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Tommy, I guess I'd ride against the prevailing winds here. Have been fortunate enough not to have very many tickets. Though certainly more than "none since '91."
When I got them I just paid them. After all, I was the one that had screwed up. And I did so knowing the potential consequences.
Once I got pulled over and certainly had not done what I was cited for. Fought and one that. Aside from that, if I did it I did it.
The cop in this case already gave some pretty consequential favor. Just because we can jump through some hoops to work things in our favor doesn't mean we always should.
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Tommy, I guess I'd ride against the prevailing winds here. Have been fortunate enough not to have very many tickets. Though certainly more than "none since '91."
When I got them I just paid them. After all, I was the one that had screwed up. And I did so knowing the potential consequences.
Once I got pulled over and certainly had not done what I was cited for. Fought and one that. Aside from that, if I did it I did it.
The cop in this case already gave some pretty consequential favor. Just because we can jump through some hoops to work things in our favor doesn't mean we always should.
a few thoughts on this :
1) Don is correct..as the officer already cut you a "deal" on the side of the road, should you end up in court.... you very easily could end up paying the same fine, plus a bunch of court costs, and getting the same points ( trust me, its in his notes that you got a break)
2) Every place is different, but it is theoretically possible in many places to get it chopped to an equipment violation or the like...in the case of this city, the fine wont change a bit, but the points and violation will
good luck with it
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I've been a cop for a while and written many tickets, every one that I have reduced at the roadside was brought to court... that's why I don't reduce them at the roadside anymore.
I can let you know that I don't take it personally if I cut someone a break and they contest the ticket, in fact I don't know anyone on the job who does.
Generally, the only times there would be an issue is if there was some type of confrontation involved, you were doing something that could cause or did cause someone injury, or you have a terrible record.
Always go to court, never just pay... even if you are guilty.
The prosecutors look good when they get convictions, they do that by going to trial and wining or by cutting deals, the latter being the easy way out for everyone involved.
Good luck.
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Tommy,
It may be a long shot but what county in Georgia?
Jock
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Well Tommy I guess we will share the same cell. I GOT BUSTED TODAY 48 in a 25 :o I still don't believe I was going that fast 35 maybe but NOT 48. I don't know what that officer was shootin but I'm perdy sure it wasn't me... Called the Police Dept and they said for $80.00 and defensive driving class another $35.00 that it would not go on my record. So Saturday I get to go play with all the Teenagers from 9:00am to 4:00pm and its suppose to be 60º
here so no riding. >:(
You started it so its your fault.. ;D ;D ;D
~bubba~
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Well Tommy I guess we will share the same cell. I GOT BUSTED TODAY 48 in a 25 :o I still don't believe I was going that fast 35 maybe but NOT 48. I don't know what that officer was shootin but I'm perdy sure it wasn't me... Called the Police Dept and they said for $80.00 and defensive driving class another $35.00 that it would not go on my record. So Saturday I get to go play with all the Teenagers from 9:00am to 4:00pm and its suppose to be 60º
here so no riding. >:(
You started it so its your fault.. ;D ;D ;D
~bubba~
bubba,
Let me know where your defensive driving class is going to be and I will come in and do some teaching on HOW NOT TO GET BUSTED 010, while driving 48 in a 25 HOOOO I mean 35 I,am sorry.
Sorry that they got you,
h-d mikey
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I can't speak for GA but myself in WA have found a new friend!! A traffic attorney. He has gotten me off 4 tickets this year. Ones for speeding being the easiest. There are 1001 ways to pick on those radar guns. Calibration, training, operation error, quality of unit etc..
Each representation cost me 300-400 bucks but with 7 vehicles I am ahead of the three years of insurance increases.
BTW: how did I meet this guy you may ask? My insurance agent!! No lie!!
Just a thought.
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Not that I would know, but if you have a good driving record up to this point, you might contact the local DA's office and talk to them. I know someone, not me. ;D that got a 21 over the limit changed to 1 one point defective vehicle ticket with a 90 day probation. If another moving violation ticket in 90 days I would be back in court and get the 21 over back on my record with full fines. They did charge $125, and had to still go to court, but cheap compared to the alternative.
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Go to court you have nothing to lose.
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No tickets since '91 just means that you haven't been caught - you got caught- write the check and move on (more slowly) :) Yeah you get points but you don't have any now and I will use VA as an example if you don't get caught with a 12 month period they don't add up to a point that your Insurance is affected unless you are within the age of 16-35 then it doesn't matter what points you have you pay more for insurance because of higher risk (no fear).
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Go to court and explain how hard the HD Gauges are to see when you are going that fast!!!! You can go to court and hope the officer does not post, in Maryland it is then thrown out!! Good Luck.
napalm
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I just got a call from a family friend who needed some advice on a ticket he got recently, he was of the "just pay" frame of mind as well.
Seems that he had three tickets over a two month period where points were assigned, he never thought it was that big of a deal because he is a man of means.
We have discovered that his licence has accumulated 9 demerit points.
A frame of reference is a Careless Driving conviction, it is the most serious charge we have here that is non criminal, and it is assigned 6 points.
His insurance rates will increase by 200%, he has two teenagers that are also listed on the policy so it was already high…. and now because he is considered a high risk individual his rates for home and health could increase as well.
The MTO (your DMV) is currently in the process of arranging for him to come in for an interview, and based on his response, or if he’s convicted for any other offences, he is looking at an up to six month suspension.
The biggest problem here is not so much what has happened, but what can happen in the future.
If there is a legitimate crash that he is genuinely responsible for, he’s screwed.
I don’t know anyone who has been involved in an accident who could predict that they were going to be in an accident!
Most officers who have access will look at your previous convictions to assist in determining if you should get a break at the roadside.
If you have previous speed related convictions and you’re stopped for speeding we can even toss you in jail for repetition of the offence.
The purpose for the issuance of fines and the assignment of points is three fold, to act as a deterrent, to flag bad drivers, and to give us some tools to work with discretion wise.
Tickets and their ramifications should not be taken lightly.
By the way, most states and provinces have reciprocal agreements now, for example if you get a speeding ticket in Ontario the points will get assigned to your NY drivers licence.
Go to court… the worst that can happen is that you retain the same penalty that was assigned originally.
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Every good police officer will look at your previous convictions to assist in determining if you should get a break at the roadside.
Do you guys have the technology to do this on the side of the road
we certainly dont
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Our cars have a direct link into the Ministry of Transportation records relating to drivers licenses and vehicles.
We can tell when, where, and what you got convictions for, even the past addresses that you have resided at since being licensed.
This is for Ontario, but I have obtained similar info from NCIC which is the American version of our CPIC.
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Our cars have a direct link into the Ministry of Transportation records relating to drivers licenses and vehicles.
We can tell when, where, and what you got convictions for, even the past addresses that you have resided at since being licensed.
This is for Ontario, but I have obtained similar info from NCIC which is the American version of our CPIC.
we have to have our dispatchers request that.... takes too long...
typically we wont do it, unless there is the possibility of a Driving Under Suspension with a Prior alcohol conviction...
(CRS 42-2-138 1(d) 1...automatic 10,000 bond :nervous:
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interesting try..
Radar Wins Speed Test Against GPS
A Sonoma County, Calif., judge has ruled a speeding case supported by an officer's radar cannot be thrown out. The speeder's GPS system allegedly recorded a speed contradictory to the radar reading, but the judge ruled radar more reliable.
Roger Rude, a retired Sonoma County sheriff's lieutenant, brought the case to fight a ticket his stepson Shaun Malone received for going 62 mph in a 45 mph zone. Rude had installed a GPS system in the car to track his stepson's speeds. Rude alleged Malone never was speeding based on the GPS tracker.
The court ruled against the GPS data, holding that radar data is more reliable.
JB Harper, Radar Systems Engineer for Decatur Electronics, the manufacturer of the radar that clocked Malone, said radar is a time-tested speed assessment tool.
"Decatur radar has been catching speeders for more than 50 years," he said. "Radar reads a speed at the speed of light rather than calculating geographic and time differences between two separate readings as is done in a GPS system."
Officials with the Petaluma Police Department, which issued the ticket, agreed. Petaluma Police Capt. Dave Sears said GPS is a valuable tool but is not as accurate for tracking speed as radar.
For more information about Decatur, visit www.DecaturRadar.com
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I was pulled over a couple of years ago for doing 70ish in a 55 and was able to change the ticket into a warning by stating that the cruise was set based on my GPS reading. The nice officer then proceeded to educate me, the interested listener, that those GPS's were not very reliable and shouldn't be used for setting the cruise.
I thanked him and rode on.
P.S. When my GPS says 71, my speedo reads 75. I, however, kept that nugget of information to myself. ;D
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I was pulled over a couple of years ago for doing 70ish in a 55 and was able to change the ticket into a warning by stating that the cruise was set based on my GPS reading. The nice officer then proceeded to educate me, the interested listener, that those GPS's were not very reliable and shouldn't be used for setting the cruise.
I thanked him and rode on.
P.S. When my GPS says 71, my speedo reads 75. I, however, kept that nugget of information to myself. ;D
:indian_chief:
nothin says you dont get a break now and then..
I knew a guy in the summer of 91 who got stopped in Missouri doing 136 in a 55 ::)
I um, he got off with a verbal warning....
and no, there was no badge involved
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I once got a ticket in Tennnessee doing 65 in a 45. The officer noticed the tires on my truck were oversized and told me I might have another shop or officer check my speedo and the judge MIGHT be lenient on me. SO, I decided to get a letter from the local cop, a good ole boy who I drink coffee with. He put his deputy in the truck with me, and drove ahead to the designated spot to clock me as I drove by. His deputy kept an eye on my speedometer and radioed the other cop when I was doing exactly 55 MPH. We drive back and he tells us he clocked me at 62 MPH. That was the exact opposite effect I was hoping for.
A week or so later, I stumbled into my uncle who works for another city in the water department. He drank coffee and socialized with all of the cops there. He called in a favor with the local chief of police to help me. He told me where he'd park and instructed me to give him enough time to set up, then drive by at 55 MPH. I knew from the first experience that I'd have to make up the difference of 62-55 plus the amount I needed my speedometer to be off for traffic court. I drove by the guy at 75 MPH. I turned around and the guys face was shocked as he asked--HOW fast were you going? err...55 MPH just like you asked me to! He wrote me a nice letter, I took it to court and got out of the ticket.
Yup, I'm a shady character.
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I once got a ticket in Tennnessee doing 65 in a 45. The officer noticed the tires on my truck were oversized and told me I might have another shop or officer check my speedo and the judge MIGHT be lenient on me. SO, I decided to get a letter from the local cop, a good ole boy who I drink coffee with. He put his deputy in the truck with me, and drove ahead to the designated spot to clock me as I drove by. His deputy kept an eye on my speedometer and radioed the other cop when I was doing exactly 55 MPH. We drive back and he tells us he clocked me at 62 MPH. That was the exact opposite effect I was hoping for.
A week or so later, I stumbled into my uncle who works for another city in the water department. He drank coffee and socialized with all of the cops there. He called in a favor with the local chief of police to help me. He told me where he'd park and instructed me to give him enough time to set up, then drive by at 55 MPH. I knew from the first experience that I'd have to make up the difference of 62-55 plus the amount I needed my speedometer to be off for traffic court. I drove by the guy at 75 MPH. I turned around and the guys face was shocked as he asked--HOW fast were you going? err...55 MPH just like you asked me to! He wrote me a nice letter, I took it to court and got out of the ticket.
Yup, I'm a shady character.
LMAO
good story..glad it worked out....
interesting point though...
in THEORY radar is supposed to be used to confirm what you have visually estimated.... in other words you estimate the speed of the car and then you hit it with the radar...to confirm it and write it up...
more often than not i see ( a certain municipality nearby ranked as #2 speed trap in the nation) motor guys on there freakin Honda's waving the thing like a wand and just nailing people..
one of these days im gonna video tape it... and save the tape for my next courtroom adventure ( badge or no badge, thats a chitty practice)
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I always get a chuckle when I pass one of the roadside trailers with radar and a big flashing speed display. I use them to check my GPS. "Yep. Still accurate." Vrooommmm..... ;D
:indian_chief:
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Interesting.......my SEEG speedo reads 2 mph faster than my GPS anywhere in the mid-range. (ie: 60mph to 80mph) The Dodge trk. reads 1 mph slower at 60 mph. Wonder what other bike speedo's read compared to the GPS? :nixweiss: spyder
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I always get a chuckle when I pass one of the roadside trailers with radar and a big flashing speed display. I use them to check my GPS. "Yep. Still accurate." Vrooommmm..... ;D
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in the middle of the night ( certain unnamed LEOs) would get up speed in the Old 9C1 caprices and ring the bell on the smart trailers..
always fun when they pulled the computer and saw 136 on it ( so im told)
:P
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in the middle of the night ( certain unnamed LEOs) would get up speed in the Old 9C1 caprices and ring the bell on the smart trailers..
always fun when they pulled the computer and saw 136 on it ( so im told)
:P
You mean those things record? I didn't know that. :D
This give me lots of bad ideas.
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You mean those things record? I didn't know that. :D
This give me lots of bad ideas.
:indian_chief:
yea
the whole point of them is to determine traffic enforcement patterns..based on trends
its just data, no video... at least on the ones we have ;-)
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yea
the whole point of them is to determine traffic enforcement patterns..based on trends
its just data, no video... at least on the ones we have ;-)
I never knew they recorded speeds, although I can see why that info would be handy when determining where to post LEOs. I just thought they were there for alert purposes. The desire to "light one up" real good just got more tempting. But I'd never actually act on those reckless desires. ;D
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Interesting.......my SEEG speedo reads 2 mph faster than my GPS anywhere in the mid-range. (ie: 60mph to 80mph) The Dodge trk. reads 1 mph slower at 60 mph. Wonder what other bike speedo's read compared to the GPS? :nixweiss: spyder
Spydy...since I got the Metzler tires on the scoot, the GPS and the bike speedo are within 1 mph or less of each other. I think the Metz's are just a little big bigger in diameter (1/4" or so). With the Dunlops, it the bike speedo read about 3mph faster than the GPS. My car also shows between 3-4 mph faster than the gps.
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Do you guys have the technology to do this on the side of the road
we certainly dont
OOOPPPPS.... Sorry cuthbertss...I re-read your post after a very long (and early) dayshift and realized that I may have sounded a little derogatory there.
I have modified the post to say” most officers who have access”… intentions were good, brain NFG!!!
We use a lot more laser technology up here as opposed to radar.
The courts are listening to the GPS defense, but it doesn’t fly… the dude (or dudette) at the side of the road may be a different story… anything is worth a try!
The other posts about tire dimension etc are very true, the moco only calibrates the spedo at birth, there are a ton of factors that can change it afterwards… tire dimensions being one of them.
I am willing to test everyone’s bike against a laser so they will know exactly what their speed reading will be at no cost to you.
Well no cost except the expense of trekking up here to Toronto!
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Spydy...since I got the Metzler tires on the scoot, the GPS and the bike speedo are within 1 mph or less of each other. I think the Metz's are just a little big bigger in diameter (1/4" or so). With the Dunlops, it the bike speedo read about 3mph faster than the GPS. My car also shows between 3-4 mph faster than the gps.
I noticed that too Terry, after installing the Metzlers, mine was much closer to the GPS.
Bob
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OOOPPPPS.... Sorry cuthbertss...I re-read your post after a very long (and early) dayshift and realized that I may have sounded a little derogatory there.
I have modified the post to say” most officers who have access”… intentions were good, brain NFG!!!
no worries
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Tommy,
It may be a long shot but what county in Georgia?
Jock
Richmond county. As of now it looks like it's going away. Not that I don't deserve the ticket, but, I would rather spend the $280 to help satisfy my OCD!
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Be thankful, Ontario just enacted a law that says if you get caught doing 50 Km/hr (31 mph) over the limt it's an automatic 7 day licence suspension and the vehicle gets impounded for the same length of time.
This is done at the roadside with no chance to appeal the suspension or siezure.
Just read about this law..........http://start.localnet.com/article.php?article=D8TVFIRG0.html (http://start.localnet.com/article.php?article=D8TVFIRG0.html)
Goes to show that age doesn't necessarily slow you down!
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Ouch!!! That is just wrong. :(
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What age are you suppose to slow down? :nixweiss: spyder
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What age are you suppose to slow down? :nixweiss: spyder
For me it will be the day after I'm buried. Until then full speed ahead. :2vrolijk_21:
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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For me it will be the day after I'm buried. Until then full speed ahead. :2vrolijk_21:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Good point.