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Custom Vehicle Discussions => Screamin’ Eagle® Ultra Classic® Electra Glide® => Topic started by: J.J. on November 06, 2005, 01:31:46 PM

Title: Air Filter
Post by: J.J. on November 06, 2005, 01:31:46 PM
I am wondering if someone can help me with an air filter question.  I see that the K&N is the choice of most.  What is the cost of the K&N option?  Are there other mods that are required when replacing the stock filter?  I will be installing the HD tuner along with some Rineharts.  I thought that the CUSE came with a K&N but have since found out that it does not.  
Title: Re: Air Filter
Post by: Tonys on November 06, 2005, 11:35:42 PM
K&N element is $40-50. Harley uses a "washable" paper filter [smiley=nixweiss.gif]. You can also buy the Arlen Ness Big Sucker replacement element..its a K&N
Title: Re: Air Filter
Post by: grc on November 07, 2005, 08:43:05 AM
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I am wondering if someone can help me with an air filter question.  I see that the K&N is the choice of most.  What is the cost of the K&N option?  Are there other mods that are required when replacing the stock filter?  I will be installing the HD tuner along with some Rineharts.  I thought that the CUSE came with a K&N but have since found out that it does not.  
J.J.

If you just want to replace the stock paper filter element with a K&N element, that will set you back around $40 to $50 - try the discount places like DirectParts, Wallys Cycle World, etc.  If you want more flow, you will need to replace the plastic air box with the Screamin' Eagle air cleaner or the Ness Big Sucker.  The Ness comes with a K&N element, the SE came with a paper element when I bought mine.  I've seen the Ness on various web sites for around $90-$100, the SE lists for $139 at your local dealer.  

Jerry
Title: Re: Air Filter
Post by: mr_magoo on November 07, 2005, 09:03:16 AM
My understanding is the HD one is made by K&N but HD kept the rights so K&N can't sell them.  I'm going to put a K&N oil type (old style) on the new bike
Title: Re: Air Filter
Post by: Tonys on November 07, 2005, 10:51:40 AM
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J.J.

If you just want to replace the stock paper filter element with a K&N element, that will set you back around $40 to $50 - try the discount places like DirectParts, Wallys Cycle World, etc.  If you want more flow, you will need to replace the plastic air box with the Screamin' Eagle air cleaner or the Ness Big Sucker.  The Ness comes with a K&N element, the SE came with a paper element when I bought mine.  I've seen the Ness on various web sites for around $90-$100, the SE lists for $139 at your local dealer.  

Jerry
Exactly, and if you buy the Screaming Eagle stage 1 kit, you get the paper filter, so go for the Ness Big Sucker [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
Title: Re: Air Filter
Post by: J.J. on November 07, 2005, 11:14:41 AM
Thanks for the information fellas.  I will proceed. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
Title: Re: Air Filter
Post by: h2o-man on November 07, 2005, 04:28:55 PM
Will the Ness air box fit the 2006 SEUC and will the stock covers still work?
Title: Re: Air Filter
Post by: Tonys on November 08, 2005, 01:41:43 AM
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Will the Ness air box fit the 2006 SEUC and will the stock covers still work?
According to:http://arlenness.com you can use the stock cover. You might want to double check tho.
Title: Re: Air Filter
Post by: Mistered on November 09, 2005, 11:36:22 PM
I just talked to our local "super tech"  and he said that the Ness will fit in the original cover.  Easier, cheaper and better... hmmm, SE or Ness.  Ness gets my vote.
Title: Re: Air Filter
Post by: 2up on November 10, 2005, 04:50:41 AM
I am new to this site. Pick up my Black Candy Dec 12th. I was wondering waht the part # is on the Big Sucker that fits.
Thanks...
Title: Re: Air Filter
Post by: grc on November 10, 2005, 08:05:48 AM
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I am new to this site. Pick up my Black Candy Dec 12th. I was wondering waht the part # is on the Big Sucker that fits.
Thanks...
2up,

Follow this link to arlen ness.  I would think you would want the Stage 1 for 2002 and up FLT.  The Stage 2 kits use a bigger filter element which may not work with the stock air cleaner cover.  The 18-500 is the regular unit, and the 18-501 has the chrome backing plate.

http://shop.arlenness.com/Productdetail.asp?SID=1&Category_ID=56&Product_ID=6985

Jerry
Title: Re: Air Filter
Post by: sooiee on November 10, 2005, 08:12:31 AM
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I just talked to our local "super tech"  and he said that the Ness will fit in the original cover.  Easier, cheaper and better... hmmm, SE or Ness.  Ness gets my vote.

Hmmm.....and how does he substantiate his statement of "better".  Any test results?  Keep in mind, Ness is a bike "designer" that makes some pretty cool looking stuff.  Don't know much about his performance background?  Something to think about.  
Title: Re: Air Filter
Post by: jeffj on November 10, 2005, 09:16:19 AM
On 06 CUSE the cover requires two screws vs. 1 big screw to secure on. Will the Ness setup still work?
Title: Re: Air Filter
Post by: FR8TRN on November 10, 2005, 09:36:29 AM
The 2 screws are just holding a cover for the one big screw, so yes it'll work.

Only problem might be clearance, if this cover is deeper than others it might interfere, if this is a problem HD sells a gasket kit to make up for that space (29591-99), it made for the Nostalgic Air Cleaner Cover (29138-91) but would work for this application also.
Title: Re: Air Filter
Post by: jeffj on November 10, 2005, 09:41:48 AM
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The 2 screws are just holding a cover for the one big screw, so yes it'll work.



LOL, you can tell I don't do much/any of my on work on scooter, thanks for the confirmation.
Title: Re: Air Filter
Post by: Tonys on November 11, 2005, 01:53:54 AM
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Hmmm.....and how does he substantiate his statement of "better".  Any test results?  Keep in mind, Ness is a bike "designer" that makes some pretty cool looking stuff.  Don't know much about his performance background?  Something to think about.  
Well, the H-D filter is paper..you get any oil on it and its history. The Ness big sucker uses a K&N element. The K&N is made to be cleaned and re-oiled many times. It has a long history in racing etc. K&N is better by far.
Title: Re: Air Filter
Post by: 2up on November 11, 2005, 03:56:06 AM
Thanks a lot for the info! Anyone actually applied this to their 06 with the stock cover yet?

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2up,

Follow this link to arlen ness.  I would think you would want the Stage 1 for 2002 and up FLT.  The Stage 2 kits use a bigger filter element which may not work with the stock air cleaner cover.  The 18-500 is the regular unit, and the 18-501 has the chrome backing plate.

http://shop.arlenness.com/Productdetail.asp?SID=1&Category_ID=56&Product_ID=6985

Jerry
Title: Re: Air Filter
Post by: grc on November 11, 2005, 09:13:29 AM
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Hmmm.....and how does he substantiate his statement of "better".  Any test results?  Keep in mind, Ness is a bike "designer" that makes some pretty cool looking stuff.  Don't know much about his performance background?  Something to think about.  
The Ness unit was very innovative when it first came out, in that it had a one piece backing plate that didn't leak / seep oil like the multiple piece SE units.  It also doesn't have those goofy rubber tubes that direct the breather fumes into the throat of the throttle body like the latest SE version, but instead uses internal passages in the plate.  All around a much better engineering solution than the SE.  Add in the fact that you get a real K&N filter and not a piece of paper junk, and the choice is pretty obvious.

BTW - is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that H-D always waits for the aftermarket to be innovative and come up with improvements and fixes for H-D's bikes?  Tom Hayden's M-6, Ness Big Sucker, TP Engineering rocker boxes, etc, etc, etc.

Jerry
Title: Re: Air Filter
Post by: Twolanerider on November 11, 2005, 11:33:13 AM
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BTW - is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that H-D always waits for the aftermarket to be innovative and come up with improvements and fixes for H-D's bikes?  Tom Hayden's M-6, Ness Big Sucker, TP Engineering rocker boxes, etc, etc, etc.

Reverse engineering/duplication has got to be a lot cheaper than original R&D.  [smiley=nixweiss.gif]