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CVO Technical => Twin Cam => Topic started by: Birdman on November 07, 2010, 12:02:19 PM
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I just installed Bobby Wood's new TW-555 cams with his directional roller lifters. It feels like I have more torque and power especially at the high end. I am not sure what numbers they are making yet. I had 111 TQ and 91 HP a week prior to installing the cams and lifters. I went back to shop that did my baseline run to see what the new TQ and HP numbers are but he wasn't able to run it. He said it sounds like the transmission pulley bearing is bad and suggested I take it to the local HD shop and have it looked at and fixed under warranty. Once I get it back and have the results from the dyno run I will post the graph and numbers.
Has anyone else installed the TW-555 cams, if so, how do you like them?
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Fuel Moto is using this cam in a 107 package they offer. Seems to work very well in that combo. Did you do any head work / head gasket change?
I'll be watching for your dyno post.
JW
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You may be one of the first for a 110"
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I didn't do any head work. The other mods I've done are Thunder max ECM, V&H power duals, Fullsac 2.25 muffler cores.
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I didn't do any head work. The other mods I've done are Thunder max ECM, V&H power duals, Fullsac 2.25 muffler cores.
Thanks Bman
I'm looking at the Wood 555, T-Man 555 or Cyclerama 575. However, everytime I ride her as is, I'm not sure why I want to change anything. It's a sickness. :-X :-\ :P
JW
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Thanks Bman
I'm looking at the Wood 555, T-Man 555 or Cyclerama 575. However, everytime I ride her as is, I'm not sure why I want to change anything. It's a sickness. :-X :-\ :P
JW
:vrolijk_11: :smilie_staub: :innocent:
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:vrolijk_11: :smilie_staub: :innocent:
Just what my Little Pea Brain was thinking!
I have been looking at this cam also??
:bananarock: :bananarock:
Brad
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I'll have to agree with it being a sickness :sauer052: There really was no reason for me to make the change other then I just feel the need for speed.
I notice the stock SE 255 cams have the same lift .555 however, the duration of the lift is different.
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there is more difference than that, the cams dont even compare just in lift only
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Thats good to know.. Once I knew they had the same lift I wasn't sure I was going to be happy with them.. Now that I have some miles on them and the Tmax turner is making the necessary adjustment I have noticed a difference :orange:ce. :huepfenjump3:
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:vrolijk_11: :smilie_staub: :innocent:
Just what my Little Pea Brain was thinking!
I have been looking at this cam also??
:bananarock: :bananarock:
Brad
Well I mean if I was going to ... never mind!
JW
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the Tmax turner is making the necessary adjustment I have noticed a difference :orange:ce. :huepfenjump3:
The T-Max doesn't change that much on its own for you though. A little fuel. But that's it. To really take advantage of differences in cams one would think real effect would come from changes in timing rather than just compensating fuel to keep the AFR where it was to begin with. And the T-Max doesn't touch timing on its own.
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Well I mean if I was going to when I do ... never mind!
JW
:ROFLOL: I fixed your post for you. :sneaky: :smartass: :wiseguy: :evilgrin:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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I just installed Bobby Wood's new TW-555 cams with his directional roller lifters. It feels like I have more torque and power especially at the high end. I am not sure what numbers they are making yet. I had 111 TQ and 91 HP a week prior to installing the cams and lifters. I went back to shop that did my baseline run to see what the new TQ and HP numbers are but he wasn't able to run it. He said it sounds like the transmission pulley bearing is bad and suggested I take it to the local HD shop and have it looked at and fixed under warranty. Once I get it back and have the results from the dyno run I will post the graph and numbers.
Has anyone else installed the TW-555 cams, if so, how do you like them?
You need to re-surface the heads in order to expose the worth of that cam.(and perhaps some head work)
10.4-5 would be the target area.
Wood 555/Our Stage III Heads/107"/OE t/body, and bagger duals..........110.2 hp/120.3 ft/lbs.
Carrys 100 ft/lbs from 2500-5700, and peaks at 3400.
Only 12 pulls(?) on the dyno it was tuned on.
Scott
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T-Max doesn't change that much on its own for you though. A little fuel. But that's it. To really take advantage of differences in cams one would think real effect would come from changes in timing rather than just compensating fuel to keep the AFR where it was to begin with. And the T-Max doesn't touch timing on its own.
Your correct about the fuel adjustment. It will make changes in to the base map up to 10% while you are riding, anything after 10% is written to the module and you can chose to apply the corrections once you connect to the software and apply auto correction to the learned fuel offset.
While I am on the Dyno I will be adjusting the timing to make sure it is running at peak performance.
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You need to re-surface the heads in order to expose the worth of that cam.(and perhaps some head work)
10.4-5 would be the target area.
Wood 555/Our Stage III Heads/107"/OE t/body, and bagger duals..........110.2 hp/120.3 ft/lbs.
Carrys 100 ft/lbs from 2500-5700, and peaks at 3400.
Only 12 pulls(?) on the dyno it was tuned on.
Scott
Scott,
What's your opinion comparing the Wood 555 and the TR 555?
Intake Exhaust Int/Exh Lift Int/Exh Duration Int/Exh TDC Overlap
Wood 555 21/41 43/19 555/555 242/242 .189/.178 40
TR 555 23/41 45/21 555/555 244/246 .212/.196 44
JW
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What is not shown is seat to seat duration. That would tell a little more.
The TMan cam offers the potential for a very little more and less than the Wood cam all at the same time depending on the tune, and pipe mainly plus more dependant on the ports. Overlap is more, the main factor that differentiates them.
If I was using a Tman grind I would bypass their 555, port the heads and raise the compression and go for their 625, same timing but now you can get the benefits of the added breathing more compression and the overlap. Better balanced combination.
Once again with OEM bathtub heads (not CVO) this analogy would be a little different.
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Alright here is a new one for you.. The dealership called me to let me know what was wrong with my bike today.. They found my cigarette lighter in my inner primary.. Yep thats right my cigarette lighter. I lost it a couple of months ago. Evidently when it fell out and hit the ground it bounced back up into my drive belt and found its way to the inner primary. They took pitcures so hopefully I will get the pitcures and post them later. All is well and I should have the dyno results in a couple of day.
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Here's a photo of the cigarette lighter laying on the drive belt
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expensive habit on that day
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Bad thing is I've never used it and don't smoke
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I'd take a close look at your drive belt..... :2vrolijk_21:
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Dyno Run Complete.
Blue line Stock SE 255 Cam: 91 HP 111 TQ
Red line TW-555 Cam: 98 HP 111 TQ
I am going to work with the T-max support to see if we can improve timing and get a little more out of the cam. The next step will be for me to get some head work done like many of you have suggested
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Dyno Run Complete.
Blue line Stock SE 255 Cam: 91 HP 111 TQ
Red line TW-555 Cam: 98 HP 111 TQ
I am going to work with the T-max support to see if we can improve timing and get a little more out of the cam. The next step will be for me to get some head work done like many of you have suggested
Thanks for posting the dyno sheet.
JW
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Main thing it needs is a half point more compression and the squish fixed. That comes with head mill and a thinner head gasket.
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Since my last post I've been working with T-Max to get the timing correct to get the most out of this cam. The seat test tells me they've got it right now :orange: :huepfenjump3:. I will be putting on the dyno later this week to see if we really have made any difference. I will post the results once I have them.
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We have a client in now from Conn., that we have completed our Stage II CVO cylinder head mods, with compression set, using a Wood 555, 58mm S/E FBW t/body, and mufflers he provided.
Will begin the assembly process in a day our so, and then to the tuner.
Guarantee it'll be a real good runner. I'll keep everyone posted. :)
Scott
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We brought the engine to temp, and did a couple pulls(absolutely, totally untuned)here on our Dynojet 150.
Running VERY rich, it showed 113/114, semi-consistantly.
Pulling at 6000, like it is at 3000, and the torque litterally flatlines.
Now it will go to www.joescyclerepair.com.
Scott
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Here's a photo of the cigarette lighter laying on the drive belt
Birdman, FWIW, either change that Transmission Pulley nut or lube
it up and dry it good real good. I just spend some good time getting mine
off the Street Bob and between all the LOCTITE(I think a whole bottle) and
the rust it was a mutha and took a 3/4 in IR Impact to bust it free.
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The T-Max doesn't change that much on its own for you though. A little fuel. But that's it. To really take advantage of differences in cams one would think real effect would come from changes in timing rather than just compensating fuel to keep the AFR where it was to begin with. And the T-Max doesn't touch timing on its own.
There is NO SUBSTITUTE for a good professional tune...
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We brought the engine to temp, and did a couple pulls(absolutely, totally untuned)here on our Dynojet 150.
Running VERY rich, it showed 113/114, semi-consistantly.
Pulling at 6000, like it is at 3000, and the torque litterally flatlines.
Now it will go to www.joescyclerepair.com.
Scott
Now that the dyno is complete, the biked showed 123/127 SAE. 117 ft/lbs at 2700, and crosses at 120.
Jamie from Fuel-Moto, just recorded 127 ft/lbs, yesterday, also, with the 555, 107", and our Stage II Heads.
Hp was 109, and that was with the OE t/body, Rhinehart duals.
Thumbs up to both those tuners. :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
Scott
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wow scott!!!!!!!!!!!!!, thats what im talking about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, hope we can hit that when i get the heads and t.b. manifold back from your shop.
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Now that the dyno is complete, the biked showed 123/127 SAE. 117 ft/lbs at 2700, and crosses at 120.
Jamie from Fuel-Moto, just recorded 127 ft/lbs, yesterday, also, with the 555, 107", and our Stage II Heads.
Hp was 109, and that was with the OE t/body, Rhinehart duals.
Thumbs up to both those tuners. :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
Scott
Whats the cranking compression on that motor scott?
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There is NO SUBSTITUTE for a good professional tune...
Yea, I paid my $300 for that professional dyno tune and now that I have the Thundermax my bike runs better than ever. I am more than happy with my substitute, because the "GOOD" is hard to find.
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Whats the cranking compression on that motor scott?
Cranked at 197.
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How do you check compression with the auto compression releases?
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How do you check compression with the auto compression releases?
If you have TTS tuning software you can turn them off or unplug each comp release behind the the air cleaner.
:bananarock: :bananarock:
Brad
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Hold the throttle blade open and jump the starter, no ignition on. That easy. Doc
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We brought the engine to temp, and did a couple pulls(absolutely, totally untuned)here on our Dynojet 150.
Running VERY rich, it showed 113/114, semi-consistantly.
Pulling at 6000, like it is at 3000, and the torque litterally flatlines.
Now it will go to www.joescyclerepair.com.
Scott
Here ya go.
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Yea, I paid my $300 for that professional dyno tune and now that I have the Thundermax my bike runs better than ever. I am more than happy with my substitute, because the "GOOD" is hard to find.
I didn't Dyno.
I spent some time with TMax after the 103" BB and Andrews 26H cams.
Researched the map choices and get the cam shown closest to the intake open* as the 26 (best idle) and tweaked from there.
Idles smooth, starts instantly, pulls strong and get's 38 to 42 mpg single or two up, depending on trip length.
I'm happy.
Merry Christmas
Al
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107's rule!!!!! :soapbox: :carrot: :cucumber: :apple: :bananarock: :orange: :huepfenjump3:
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Tim,
They have proven to be quite a powerful engine, set up correctly. :2vrolijk_21:
Scott
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Ii am experiencing that, hopefully more with your performance upgrades Scott!! Sometime soon i have a feeling i might need a 117 !
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117" are real rippers set up correctly.
We have a client in Nanuet, N.Y. (near Orange Co. Choppers) that shows 138/140 SAE, in his EFI touring bike. Our heads, Wood 9F, Borezilla, 58/62 HPI t/body.
Bike was tuned in PA, I believe. :)
Scott
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anyone running the new knight prowler 555 cams notice any extra valve train noise?
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I notice it when the engine is cold. Once it's warmed up the lifter noise goes away.
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I notice it when the engine is cold. Once it's warmed up the lifter noise goes away.
What lifters are you using?
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What lifters are you using?[/quote]
Wood's directional
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What lifters are you using?
Wood's directional
I suspected that's what you were using (with the Woods cam). The Woods directional lifters pump up a bit more slowly, expecially when cold. What you're experiencing sounds normal. Once pumped up, they are a quiet lifter.... :2vrolijk_21:
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Iam using stock lifters and i have not yet installed cam, buider is just telleing me that i am going to experience more valve train noise. Iam not really wanting any excess noise from motor. I do not have $ to change lifters. thanks!
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Ok I never heard that this cam caused a noisy valve train. Hey speak up Steve did the one you dyno'd have a noisy valve train?
:bananarock: :bananarock:
Brad
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Iam using stock lifters and i have not yet installed cam, buider is just telleing me that i am going to experience more valve train noise. Iam not really wanting any excess noise from motor. I do not have $ to change lifters. thanks!
DO NOT let someone look you in the eye, and let them tell you, that happy-horsechit.
Pull up stakes, and move to another non-thief shop, asap.
We've installed more Wood cams here, than any shop on the planet. FACT. We are Bob Wood's largest account, and if someone is telling you the 555 is noisy, RUN.
Scott
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DO NOT let someone look you in the eye, and let them tell you, that happy-horsechit.
Pull up stakes, and move to another non-thief shop, asap.
We've installed more Wood cams here, than any shop on the planet. FACT. We are Bob Wood's largest account, and if someone is telling you the 555 is noisy, RUN.
Scott
I'm glad someone is calling BS on BS.
Thanks Scott.
SBB
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I just installed a set of 555s in a 2011 103 yesterday. Sock pushrods, stock lifters. Quiet as stock.
Not to mention it made 101HP and 109TQ with stock heads. Will post dyno chart today.
Steve George
Fullsac Performance
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I just installed a set of 555s in a 2011 103 yesterday. Sock pushrods, stock lifters. Quiet as stock.
Not to mention it made 101HP and 109TQ with stock heads. Will post dyno chart today.
Steve George
Fullsac Performance
VERRRY nice! :2vrolijk_21:
What exhaust and intake? Any other changes?
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Scott...Did the lobe design get changed on the 555? Ive installed quite a few 6-6's in late twin cams. They all were noisy compared to useing a 54 or 37. I would love to try a 555 but cam noise with me is a big issue.
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VERRRY nice! :2vrolijk_21:
What exhaust and intake? Any other changes?
Are you serious?. Same stuff your using!
SG
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Are you serious?. Same stuff your using!
SG
:2vrolijk_21: Sounds like the "patented Fullsac combo"!
I'll have mine together as soon as my lifters arrive........can't wait for that 100/100+ power! :2vrolijk_21:
PS: thanks for the goodies!
8)
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Scott...Did the lobe design get changed on the 555? Ive installed quite a few 6-6's in late twin cams. They all were noisy compared to useing a 54 or 37. I would love to try a 555 but cam noise with me is a big issue.
Can't answer that, but the 6-6's seem very quiet here.
We set the pushrods .140-.150" into the lifter.
FWIW, FuelMoto USA, just tuned a 107"/555/our Stage II Heads, with OE t/body, and Rhinehart duals, to 109 hp, and 126 ft/lbs.
58mm FBW would pull more hp, as would/does our Stage III(1.940" intake)heads.
Scott
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Can't answer that, but the 6-6's seem very quiet here.
We set the pushrods .140-.150" into the lifter.
FWIW, FuelMoto USA, just tuned a 107"/555/our Stage II Heads, with OE t/body, and Rhinehart duals, to 109 hp, and 126 ft/lbs.
58mm FBW would pull more hp, as would/does our Stage III(1.940" intake)heads.
Scott
Being Bob Woods' largest account doesn't exactly make your opinions unbiased now, does it? I bought a set of 6-6's from you a couple years ago based on your BS about it being quiet, and it turned out to be the BS I should have run from. I bought the whole setup from you, and followed the directions in the manual. I called you for help once and you told me "it ain't rocket science, you can figure it out". Thanks for the after-sale support. I eventually did figure it out, and those things were so loud that after about 6 months I couldn't stand it anymore. Out they came. They had more power than the Andrews I replaced them with, but I didn't miss the couple of HP I lost, because after a 5 hour ride I didn't hear that damn tapping anymore.
Sorry for the rant. Back to your regularly scheduled program.
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:vrolijk_11: :vrolijk_11:
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Being Bob Woods' largest account doesn't exactly make your opinions unbiased now, does it? I bought a set of 6-6's from you a couple years ago based on your BS about it being quiet, and it turned out to be the BS I should have run from. I bought the whole setup from you, and followed the directions in the manual. I called you for help once and you told me "it ain't rocket science, you can figure it out". Thanks for the after-sale support. I eventually did figure it out, and those things were so loud that after about 6 months I couldn't stand it anymore. Out they came. They had more power than the Andrews I replaced them with, but I didn't miss the couple of HP I lost, because after a 5 hour ride I didn't hear that damn tapping anymore.
Sorry for the rant. Back to your regularly scheduled program.
We HAVE NOT based our 30 plus years in business, by turning our back on a very, very, simple problem such as your describing.
Quite the contrary indeed!!!!!!!!!!!
A conversation with us DOES NOT end in what you are describing either, as we are very happy to help, always, as the legions of clients we have, can certainly agree with.
You are most certainly the very odd man out with the "noise" of a little Wood 6-6, once those pushrods are set correctly at .140-.150" into the lifter, as we ALWAYS reccomend.
You might want to re-direct your issues differently, as I take a mighty dim view of this type of behavoir, on a message board such as this.
Don't try to make these folks believe for one moment, that is how business is conducted here, because it just ain't so.
Have a wonderful day, and hope you feel better. :)
Scott
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We HAVE NOT based our 30 plus years in business, by turning our back on a very, very, simple problem such as your describing.
Quite the contrary indeed!!!!!!!!!!!
A conversation with us DOES NOT end in what you are describing either, as we are very happy to help, always, as the legions of clients we have, can certainly agree with.
You are most certainly the very odd man out with the "noise" of a little Wood 6-6, once those pushrods are set correctly at .140-.150" into the lifter, as we ALWAYS reccomend.
You might want to re-direct your issues differently, as I take a mighty dim view of this type of behavoir, on a message board such as this.
Don't try to make these folks believe for one moment, that is how business is conducted here, because it just ain't so.
Have a wonderful day, and hope you feel better. :)
Scott
I feel great, Scott. That's just the way it went down. You think I just make stuff up and post it on the internet? How would I benefit from that? I was simply relating my experience with Woods cams and with Hillside cycle. You gave no such recommendations to me and it was YOU that I had the referenced conversation with. I'm not new at this game, and I think I'm of at least average intelligence, but I had questions and you blew me off. I'm sure you don't treat every customer that way, but you did me. I was disappointed because at that time I was a little nervous about doing the job myself because I hadn't worked with chain driven cams before. I specifically asked you about support after the sale before I bought and of course you told me what I wanted to hear. Oh well, live and learn, I guess. The Andrews 54's turned out to be a much better choice, but that was 2 bikes ago now.
If it refreshes your memory any I live in Fort Worth. If I recall correctly you had a friend that moved down here.
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Not going to exchange words with you here, about your, at-home, cam install, that went sour.
If you would like, feel free to call us to discuss.
Scott
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Not going to exchange words with you here, about your, at-home, cam install, that went sour.
If you would like, feel free to call us to discuss.
Scott
I didn't say it went sour. What I said was the the service I received from you after I sent you my money was disappointing and the Woods cams were noisy as hell, just like "legions" of other people complain about. I'll call you if you want, but what's to discuss?
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the Woods cams were noisy as hell, just like "legions" of other people complain about.
"Legions? Just my luck, I have missed the in crowd again.
My TW-7H cams in my 09 SEUC are no louder than the stock cams.
It's that damn 110 around those cams that makes the noise and worries me.
But I guess that's another discussion for another thread.
SBB
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"Legions? Just my luck, I have missed the in crowd again.
My TW-7H cams in my 09 SEUC are no louder than the stock cams.
It's that damn 110 around those cams that makes the noise and worries me.
But I guess that's another discussion for another thread.
SBB
In hockey that'd be third man in.
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In hockey that'd be third man win.
:huepfenlol2:
That's funny. 5 minutes in the sin bin for Chip!
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:huepfenlol2:
That's funny. 5 minutes in the sin bin for Chip!
Oh geez, now I've got this really fun mental image stuck in my head of Chip on ice skates :huepfenlol2: .
That's almost as funny as me on ice skates.
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I think this thread has been hijacked!
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I think this thread has been hijacked!
Can you hijack a Zamboni?
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Can you hijack a Zamboni?
I'm not touching that one :)
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Never heard anything negative about Hillsidecycle, hogsty. On Tilley's advice, I went the Wood Performance TW-9FG's, among other new and improved mods, for Ol' Maudie's transplant. Neal said she was considerably less noisy, as opposed to the Red-Shift 647's. Makes me no nevermind anyway, as I don't hear much Cam noise at 5-6000 RPM. Anxious to see how she performs. As for being disgruntled with Performance mfgs, I can't relate. Any problems I've had thus far, have been caused by my abuse. When you change chit searching for more HP, its been my experience you cut reliabilty by about 50%. That appears to be a little better than Stock HD at this time, so go ahead and pump it up. A reliable, reptuable Engine Builder is the key. I could build a Pan or a Shovel, but not these new Motors. I let Don Tilley do that. ;) Later--HUBBARD
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Hmmm as you see by my build yes most of it is from Hillside cycle, and woods, I called Scott last year about a product from a competitor that i was having problem, He never hesitated and jumped in to help, and nooo bashing what so ever & helped me and advised me on what to do , I was impressed by that unbiased customer service and have been to his shop last year with a buddy, We called that morning for a 107 kit for him, It took 5 hrs, To drive there and the pistons and freshly machined cylinders were waiting for us on that very short notice He was happy, And yes I now have their stg 4 heads and 107 kit , I sent a set of heads there in Nov and there was a major issue, they had to be replaced, I quickly found a set and sent them, and Hillside kept me in the same order to complete those stg 4 heads I now have, They couldve sent me to the end of the line for their completion They didnt , Again unquestionable service, We all know Hillsides reputation for power and that reputation is matched by their service commitment. Hands down, If there is a unsolveable problem they cant or wont fix the problem isnt Hillside!!!!!
Ive had many woods cams and they have been quiet as stock, with power and torque :soapbox:
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I'm glad things worked out for you, I really am. I'm sure they must have lots of happy customers or they wouldn't be able to stay in business. There isn't a business in the world with a 100% satisfaction rate. I happen to be one of Hillside's unhappy customers. I made the decision on the cam based on advice from Scott. I can and do live with my decisions. What was most disconcerting was the treatment I received from him after the sale. That's what made me an unhappy customer.
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I'm glad things worked out for you, I really am. I'm sure they must have lots of happy customers or they wouldn't be able to stay in business. There isn't a business in the world with a 100% satisfaction rate. I happen to be one of Hillside's unhappy customers. I made the decision on the cam based on advice from Scott. I can and do live with my decisions. What was most disconcerting was the treatment I received from him after the sale. That's what made me an unhappy customer.
Hey hogsty, we all know how you feel about Hillside! Don't you think it's about time to drop it?
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Hey hogsty, we all know how you feel about Hillside! Don't you think it's about time to drop it?
X2 - Aside from a :jack: there comes a point to let it go. Sorry for your bad rub from Hillside. But Scott has spent a lot of time with myself and even a few friends giving advice that has yet to earn Scott one dollar. Sorry Scott - we'll send some your way when we can. Thanks for the help!!
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sorry about the jacked thread for a min, , woods 555 cams should be quiet as stock also set up right, ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Hey hogsty, we all know how you feel about Hillside! Don't you think it's about time to drop it?
Sorry if I rubbed people the wrong way. Caveat emptor.
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I had the Woods 555's installed last week. Just as quite as stock cams!
:2vrolijk_21:
See post #14 on this thread for my impression of Fullsac Stage I & II install.
http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=58531.0
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yea cam is quiet just no more power on low end then stock the reason i put fullsacs stage two in was to gain low end stock cams had more low end. a lot of money for i was not looking for if u want lots of power above 3000rpm then these cams are it. no bs here just the facts.
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yea cam is quiet just no more power on low end then stock the reason i put fullsacs stage two in was to gain low end stock cams had more low end. a lot of money for i was not looking for if u want lots of power above 3000rpm then these cams are it. no bs here just the facts.
Springer09
Man, sounds like your really down. You got a dyno sheet comparing your SE255 to the Wood 555? Does the Fullsac stage 2 mean you changed to the .030 head gasket? Tune issue? Sorry to hear it did not work out for you.
JW
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To address the noise issue...just installed the Tw555's in mine and its quiet as stock ( which was very good) with "b" lifters
And the Hillside thing..WOW Scott gives "free" info on these forums which is real and repeatable, from his experiance. He has always answered my questions with his best informed opinion....you can take his advise or leave it..If you paid him to build your the motor and he promised silent valvetrain you have a reason to be unhappy..If you asked him for "free" advise, and did it yourself, or had someone else do the work there is no way you can blame him for your issues..No reason to bash him in public..
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yea cam is quiet just no more power on low end then stock the reason i put fullsacs stage two in was to gain low end stock cams had more low end. a lot of money for i was not looking for if u want lots of power above 3000rpm then these cams are it. no bs here just the facts.
Hey Springer
What model bike did you install my Stage II kit in? Looks like you have a 2009 CVO Springer and a 2008 CVO Bagger.
Can you give a few more details.
Steve George
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its in a 2011 cvo street glide, sign in name is old and never updated it but still have it
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yes also did the head gasket squish, used steves tune
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yea cam is quiet just no more power on low end then stock the reason i put fullsacs stage two in was to gain low end stock cams had more low end. a lot of money for i was not looking for if u want lots of power above 3000rpm then these cams are it. no bs here just the facts.
I would tend to agree: not a whole lot of increase in power/torque below 2500, but, with the 555 similar to the 54's IME there IS a noticeable increase in the "SOTP" dyno numbers to 3000 over the SE255's, then, no decrease in pull up to about 5500.
Maybe not the best "bang for the buck" without the whole package to make things work properly.
I'm pretty impressed with a 103 using the "whole package" only with the 54 cams. I have "special needs" with this bike, and it really works for me! :2vrolijk_21:
JMHO
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yes also did the head gasket squish, used steves tune
My old shop used Steve's map for a base line. They made a number of changes and she's running great. I did the Fullsac Stage 1. You might see what a good tuner can get out of her. JMO.
JW
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Sorry to hear about your friend fatboi. Probably a good time for the friendly reminder that just because it worked for someone else doesn't mean you shouldnt check the clearances for your build and know what you have.
Clay and silly putty are cheap in comparison to hitting a piston.
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You know, I've dynoed a whole bunch of these 110s. From 2500 rpm up the stock 255 cams are already loosing the TQ battle when compared back to back with
Andrews 54s or Woods 555s.
This is a typical dyno chart showing a Stage II X Pipe, woods 555 kit crossing the 100FT mark at 2500 rpm.
Looks like a 20 point TQ gain over stock at 3000 rpm too.
Over 100 TQ is also held to 5600 RPM. Thats a very, very wide TQ spread.
Stage II X Pipe kit, Woods 555 cams. Nothing special, stock heads, stock AC. I've never seen this kind of TQ with stock 255 cams.
SE 255s may be TQ hero's in 88s and 96s with low compression. That's about it. The only thing they do real well in a 103 or 110 is to ping and pass a smog test.
That big TQ dip you see in the stock run is partly do to the knock sensor pulling timing on a rock stock bike. Can't make TQ if your pinging.
Just my humble opinion based on consistent dyno results along with hearing stock 255 cammed 110s ping and detonate on my dyno dozens of times.
Steve George
Fullsac Performance
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Since my last post I've been working with T-Max to get the timing correct to get the most out of this cam. The seat test tells me they've got it right now :orange: :huepfenjump3:. I will be putting on the dyno later this week to see if we really have made any difference. I will post the results once I have them.
Birdman, can you post a follow-up on the final dyno results and the timing adjustment you made to your TMAX.
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Birdman, can you post a follow-up on the final dyno results and the timing adjustment you made to your TMAX.
Birdman, did you fly away?