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Custom Vehicle Discussions => Screamin’ Eagle® Dyna® => Topic started by: Fatboy on July 15, 2006, 01:19:44 PM
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What do you think?
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I like the Dynas. I'd have to see it first. Im not sure the paint jumps out and grabs me though.
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Im not sure the paint jumps out and grabs me.
Ok, that would be a little (actually a LOT) freaky....
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Yea I guess they would have to charge extra for the Grab [smiley=drink.gif] :-/
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It needs apes and a radical paint set than its cool the whole cvo paint sucks this year just my 2 cents
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I can't wait to see what they look like in person. I am a big fan of the Dyna's. Momma needs a ride and the only one we have found she likes so far is the old SE Duece. I want something a bit newer and this might be the ticket.
Not that I would really wnat to ride it too.. ::)
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I can't wait to see what they look like in person. I am a big fan of the Dyna's. Momma needs a ride and the only one we have found she likes so far is the old SE Duece. I want something a bit newer and this might be the ticket.
Not that I would really wnat to ride it too.. ::)
I have ridden both a Dyna and a Deuce. Had a Deuce on a 6 day tour for France and Switzerland. That bike rode great, but INOP the Dyna is a lot more easier to handle and ride in the twisties. My Dyna was the 1999 FXR2, that bike was a joy to ride and handled like a dream. The Deuce I rode was a 2000. It's a great bike, but with the longer rake would not be my choice again for riding the twisties like we were on. Dyna and Softails are much better in the twisties. Sandy
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The paint looks real nice...don't knock it till you see it in person and in all light sources.
the dyna looks good!
Cheers, [smiley=drink.gif]
J
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The paint looks real nice...don't knock it till you see it in person and in all light sources.
the dyna looks good!
Cheers, [smiley=drink.gif]
J
You got pictures???? Please share...
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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My Dyna was the 1999 FXR2, that bike was a joy to ride and handled like a dream.
(Ahem, very politely, here) Your FXR2 was not a Dyna. Totally different frames. The FXR frame, light and stiff, 3-point engine mounts, was designed by Eric Buell to efficiently transfer power to the road. The Dyna frame, much less complex, heavier, two-point engine mounts, was designed by HD accountants to save money.
But I hear the current Dyna frame is better than the old one. Still....
No, I'm not partial or anything. ;D
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Can't say the paint schemes got me jumping cartwheels on any of the new models..
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Have to say I like that Dyna already have a bar hopper, next bike's for comfort.
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IMNSHO (In My Not-So-Humble Opinion), the Dyna's are the best all-around bike the MoCo currently produces. Best handling Big Twin since the FXR, and with some saddlebags and a windshield it also makes a decent touring machine for shorter trips. I can only imagine how one would run with a 110 in it, since it's at least 175 lbs lighter than an e-glide. In other words, damn straight - I'd love to have one. (I still haven't gotten over selling my '99 FXDX when I bought the SEEG. I truly loved that bike.)
Jerry
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Capital City HD in Madison has a SE Dyna. Sue showed it to me today. Pretty sharp looking bike. I snapped two photos but lighting was bad. I'll try to post them later.
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First one
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Second
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I can't wait to see one in person. Ive always liked the dynas. I didnt think I would like the paint looking at the pics on the website but my Harley guy said the paint looks great in person. Hope to see one soon.
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Whats really cool is the stealth Gas Gage. All you see is a chrome circle doesnt look like a gage at all, and when you turn the key on the LED's lites up under the chrome. COOOOL!!!
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I saw one at the Plainfield, Indiana dealership yesterday. It was the same paint scheme as the one above. It was a very attractive bike. I liked the disappearing gas guage too. It was not sold yet. My wife is 5' 2" and she couldn't reach the forward controls and thought the seat was too wide near the tank. She was on her toes to touch the ground. If a dyna would fit the bill, I certainly would be interested in one of these. It should perform great with that 110 inch motor.
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I saw the CVO Dynas last Saturday night at the civic center in Rapid City, SD. The red was my favorite. It was a sharp looking bike.
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My wife is 5' 2" and she couldn't reach the forward controls and thought the seat was too wide near the tank. She was on her toes to touch the ground.
My wife is 5'5", so she has a few inches on your's, but mine rides an '05 Dyna (FXDLi). The great thing about Dyna's (IMO) is how easy and inexpensive they are to lower. For example, by simply changing to a "reach" seat (available at your local stealer) my wife got an inch closer to the ground and over an inch closer to the forward controls without changing the bike's center of gravity or scrape clearance. The "reach" also is narrower towards the front, so its more comfortable for "shorty's". Add Progressive 440 series shocks, and you've lowered it another inch. Tighten down the front forks and its an even lower feel with better stability in the turns.
Aside from the Softail Deluxe, the Dyna is the only real choice for "shorty's" and (IMO) the Dyna is a much better ride, especially with a 110! Holy Cow... er.. I mean...HOG!
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(Ahem, very politely, here) Your FXR2 was not a Dyna.
Ha! LMAO. Get 'em Red!
I'll pile on too; Quit callin' my FXR a "Dyna"!!! dammit! :-)
I saw a guy on eBay advertising sale of a 2006 Dyna/FXR, drives me crazy!
ok, I'm done... going back to mute.
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I saw the CVO Dynas last Saturday night at the civic center in Rapid City, SD. The red was my favorite. It was a sharp looking bike.
Test rode one there and I was really impressed/surprised at how smooth and comfortable it was. 110 motor really makes it go, can only imagine what it will be like with performance pipes, etc.
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My wife has a gorgeous 2001 FXDL that I changed the front end on to look like an FXR3 with bottom mount headlight and indicator lights on the dogbone. Great bike and VERY fast. Just changing to V&H pipes, V-Twin Air Cleaner, 42 mm Mikuni, ported and polished intake and SE ignition brought the motor to 82hp and 84 ft lbs torque with no internal motor modifications. The bike is a blast to ride and with her her on it at only 115 lbs she can smoke most Softails even with 95 inch kits. I would love to buy her one of these Dyna's and lower it to become a FXDLSE.
Has anyone seen what the dealers are charging for these?
John
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I like it alot, considering getting one.
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The one I saw August 10th is still there, I think they are asking MSRP. I would have thought that it would have sold by now.
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Nice lookin' bike...there were two at my dealership, now only one...
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(Ahem, very politely, here) Your FXR2 was not a Dyna. Totally different frames. The FXR frame, light and stiff, 3-point engine mounts, was designed by Eric Buell to efficiently transfer power to the road. The Dyna frame, much less complex, heavier, two-point engine mounts, was designed by HD accountants to save money.
But I hear the current Dyna frame is better than the old one. Still....
No, I'm not partial or anything. ;D
I may have cashed-in these brain cells a while back, but as I recall it the FXR models replaced the old Superglides and Low Riders with the newest “rubber glide” chassis and powertrain.
It is my sense that the Dyna chassis was conceived by the styling folks in order to recapture the look of the old 4 speed FL/FX machines replaced by the FXR's. This was at a time when retro was gaining big momentum; the Softail Custom, Heritage Classic and to some degree the Springer were all fast gaining popularity.
I also recall that there was some market push-back to the perimeter design of the rear frame section, specifically the inclusion of the frame side covers. H-D changed the XL models in 1979 to include large side covers, which people hated (similar to the pushback on the VRod radiator). The XL side covers were made substantially smaller and the battery and oil tank were back out loud and proud for all to see in the 1982 model year.
There is no doubt that the Dyna frame can be produced at a lower cost, but my remaining brain cells are telling me that the changes were primarily styling/market driven.
djkak
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For the most part I think we're on the same page about the FXR/Dyna progression, so I think you're brain cell count is OK. :)
The FXR was designed by Buell and his sportbike-fan design team for the reasons stated, but you're right about the market pushback--a lot of HD "purists" didn't like the side covers and the visible frame members. The FXR frames were much more time consuming to assemble. From what I've read, the FXR frames were all hand-welded from many more small pieces in a jig as compared to the Dyna frame (fewer, larger pieces that better lent themselves to automated welding processes). Hence, greater manufacturing costs for the FXR. It would stand to reason that HD would question 'why build a bike that costs them more to build when their customers don't like it anyway?' So the Dyna was re-introduced and both Dynas and FXR's were built for a while until the FXR was discontinued after the 1994 model year. I wasn't until later that folks other than true enthusiasts started realizing just what good handling bikes the FXR's really were. Buell knew what he was doing about lightness, rigidity and efficient power transfer. Look at photos of the XR-series HD racing bikes and you'll see the FXR-type frame. He was a racing guy, but most HD buyers weren't and still aren't.
You're right that most HD buyers prefer style, so the Dyna was a win-win for the moco--give the buyers what they want for less manufacturing costs. More profit for HD.
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For the most part I think we're on the same page about the FXR/Dyna progression, so I think you're brain cell count is OK. :)
The FXR was designed by Buell and his sportbike-fan design team for the reasons stated, but you're right about the market pushback--a lot of HD "purists" didn't like the side covers and the visible frame members. The FXR frames were much more time consuming to assemble. From what I've read, the FXR frames were all hand-welded from many more small pieces in a jig as compared to the Dyna frame (fewer, larger pieces that better lent themselves to automated welding processes). Hence, greater manufacturing costs for the FXR. It would stand to reason that HD would question 'why build a bike that costs them more to build when their customers don't like it anyway?' So the Dyna was re-introduced and both Dynas and FXR's were built for a while until the FXR was discontinued after the 1994 model year. I wasn't until later that folks other than true enthusiasts started realizing just what good handling bikes the FXR's really were. Buell knew what he was doing about lightness, rigidity and efficient power transfer. Look at photos of the XR-series HD racing bikes and you'll see the FXR-type frame. He was a racing guy, but most HD buyers weren't and still aren't.
You're right that most HD buyers prefer style, so the Dyna was a win-win for the moco--give the buyers what they want for less manufacturing costs. More profit for HD.
I haven’t followed Eric Buell’s career that closely, although it is my understanding that he began working for H-D in 1979. I believe that the FLT and XR750 chassis technology predate Eric’s career with Harley; the FLT being introduced in the 1979 calendar year; 1980 model year.
The FXR platform is a takeoff of the touring platform. This is similar to the 1971 FX platform’s relationship to the 1970 FLH. The FLT (touring) and FXR frame share similar construction of platform specific components. I would be very surprised to learn of a substantial cost disparity between the FLT / FXR frames during a time when both platforms were in simultaneous production. The FXR CVO’s are a different animal. I’ll bet that the non-current status of these frames made them very expensive and labor intense to build; quite possibly the most challenging aspect of producing that machine.
We may disagree here, which is ok, but I don’t believe that the production cost, relative to the FXR, was a driver in the development of the Dyna. It wouldn’t surprise me at all to learn that the Dyna cost as much or more than the FXR to produce and support. There are factors beyond the frame itself to consider; for example, producing a common FLT / FXR frame vs. the resources required to develop and support a new proprietary frame and powertrain for the Dyna platform.
It is expected that a well run manufacturing company will continuously explore methods to leverage new and existing technologies, with the goal of reducing development and manufacturing costs. “More profit for HD” only happens when everything comes together into a product that is embraced in the market.
I agree that the FXR frame is a rigid unit and that it makes a fabulous looking custom but there is something very attractive about the minimalist look of a machine without a lot of framework showing. Think of it this way; how would we look if our skeleton was uncovered and visible on the outside, loud and proud for all to see? Some of us might look across a crowded room and say “WOW…that girl’s got bone!” I prefer to leave a little of that to my imagination. Not what you’re thinking…cut it out. :)
djkak
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The FXR was the best frame H-D ever made with the exception of the new Buell's with gas in frame, oil in swingarm. The FXR was tops in weight distrbution, balance, rigidity, handling ease of maintenance, ease of assembly/disassembly You can argue the looks, but you can't argue the engineering. No one makes an exact aftermarket copy of the dyna frame, but there are a dozen or more aftermarket companies still cranking out FXR frames that are so close to the originals you have to check the VINs. There are also a lot of custom FXR frames in the marketplace, the best of which is Chopper Guys. Lately FXR's are making a comeback in the custom world as evidenced by Roland Sands and Russell Mitchell's projects on the Biker Build-off series. I still have a plan to cut the bottom cross member out of one and build a bad ass Twin Cam FXR. someday - - - - -
Big B
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The FXR was the best frame H-D ever made with the exception of the new Buell's with gas in frame, oil in swingarm. The FXR was tops in weight distrbution, balance, rigidity, handling ease of maintenance, ease of assembly/disassembly You can argue the looks, but you can't argue the engineering. No one makes an exact aftermarket copy of the dyna frame, but there are a dozen or more aftermarket companies still cranking out FXR frames that are so close to the originals you have to check the VINs. There are also a lot of custom FXR frames in the marketplace, the best of which is Chopper Guys. Lately FXR's are making a comeback in the custom world as evidenced by Roland Sands and Russell Mitchell's projects on the Biker Build-off series. I still have a plan to cut the bottom cross member out of one and build a bad ass Twin Cam FXR. someday - - - - -
Big B
Spiderman,
You didn’t include the Buell tube-frame or the VRod frame with the Buell XB exception; possibly an oversight. The perimeter frame design has proven itself over time, and there really is no argument to make between these frames relative to rigidity.
I respectfully disagree with your point on technology. The Big Twin powertrain has evolved over time, yet the double cradle FLT frame, for all practical purposes has remained unchanged. Over the years, an occasional band aid or two has helped the chassis to keep up; although I feel that a more aggressive approach is required for the future. From a priority perspective, IMHO the FLT platform is next in line for an update in frame system technology. I do agree that this frame was ahead of its time when it was introduced.
The FXR does make a killer custom and the point you make regarding ease of maintenance, assembly, etc., is right on. The added room between the frame and powertrain to accommodate movement improves access for maintenance and repair.
Aesthetically, some folks looked at the added room between the frame and powertrain as a negative. These folks preferred a frame package that tightly envelops the powertrain. This issue was aggravated with the FXR because the powertrain is more exposed than it is on a bagger. In contrast, the VRod frame tightly follows the curves of the powertrain, adding overhead to maintenance and repair; but sonofabitch it sure looks good! If this was all about being practical, we would be riding machines like the one pictured below.
djkak
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(Ahem, very politely, here) Your FXR2 was not a Dyna. Totally different frames. The FXR frame, light and stiff, 3-point engine mounts, was designed by Eric Buell to efficiently transfer power to the road. The Dyna frame, much less complex, heavier, two-point engine mounts, was designed by HD accountants to save money.
But I hear the current Dyna frame is better than the old one. Still....
No, I'm not partial or anything. ;D
Erik Buell, teaches in patent No. 4,776,423 and No. 6, 213,240 that Vibration Isolated Motorcycles MUST HAVE at least 3 stabilizer links connecting the
power train unit to the frame to prevent lateral instability. Contrary to the patents, Harley-Davidson manufactures the: Dyna, 1 stabilizer link ; FXR 2 stabilizer links; Touring Models (baggers) 2 stabilizer links; and the V-ROD 1 stabilizer link .
Only the Buell and 2004 and later rubbermount Sportsters have 3 stabilizer links.
While the FXR handles well, which is why I still own one, handling can be improved considerably by installing the third stabilizer link that Eric Buell desired for the FXR.
More information is available from the True Track website http://www.true-track.com/1_2006_008.htm
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I haven’t followed Eric Buell’s career that closely, although it is my understanding that he began working for H-D in 1979. I believe that the FLT and XR750 chassis technology predate Eric’s career with Harley; the FLT being introduced in the 1979 calendar year; 1980 model year.
Maybe I give Buell too much credit for the FXR's creation. I'm just repeating what I've seen elsewhere (I know, I know). Anyway, here are some of the places I've seen the references linking Buell and the FXR design. It could be folklore by now--all kinds of folks repeating what they've seen elsewhere. Anybody got Buell's e-mail address?
http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcbuell/99x1.html
“When Erik Buell was at Harley, he helped with the design of some of the first FXR frames.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Buell
“After receiving his degree in engineering in 1979, Buell landed a job at Harley-Davidson after he flew himself to Milwaukee, WI to get an interview and "beat my way in the door," as Buell put it. While at Harley, he was involved with concept motorcycles, Porsche-designed "Nova" V-four program, and was responsible for considerable stability and refinements to the chassis design of the FXR series of cruisers, noted for their rubber-mounted engines.”
http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcharley/fxds/fxds.html
“The FX series went through several iterations before being christened "Dyna Glide," the last being the FXR family. The Eric Buell designed FXR started simple, but the line expanded dramatically, at one point boasting six different models, everything from a stripped down FXR Super Glide to the hard fairing/hard saddlebag tourer, FXRT Sport Glide.”
My apologies to the SE Dyna folks. This thread has wandered off course.
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While the FXR handles well, which is why I still own one, handling can be improved considerably by installing the third stabilizer link that Eric Buell desired for the FXR.
I was talking about three point motor mounts, not lateral stability links (heim joints). But since you mention it, where would Buell have put the third lateral stability link on the FXR? Are there existing frame/engine mount points--just missing the heim joint?
Another apology to the SE Dyna folks.
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No existing mounting points for the third stabilizer link on the FXR frames. True Track makes a mount that ties the transmission trapdoor to the frame crossmember with the third stabilizer link.
My apologies as well to the SE Dyna folks for the drift of this thread.
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No existing mounting points for the third stabilizer link on the FXR frames. True Track makes a mount that ties the transmission trapdoor to the frame crossmember with the third stabilizer link.
My [highlight]apologies as well to the SE Dyna folks for the drift of this thread[/highlight].
Are we really suppose to stay 'on topic'? [smiley=nixweiss.gif] [smiley=oops.gif] [smiley=soapbox.gif] har! [smiley=drink.gif] spyder
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Not that I'm upset about the turn the thread has taken (it's interesting reading), but I just got my '07 FXDSE. I put 254 miles on it the first day. I really like the bike. I thought it would vibrate a lot more than it does. I guess the rubber mounts help out. Now the temperature went to crap and it's raining.
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This is a great looking bike. I'd go for the red, but all three look good.
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I have close to 5000 miles on my red 07 FXDSE and its now in the repair shop for minor body damage from a collision avoiding laydown. I purchased a PCIII today and can hardly wait to feel the diff. in a few days. The bike is already very fast and with Bub's jug huggers(already installed), and the PCIII the thing should run cooler and be smokin'
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Uhhh, what were we talking about? Oh, yeah-I have an '07 FXDSE, and stand 5'4"...very comfortable bike, awesome paint scheme, super fast ride & handles great! I have 4,000 miles on it since December and this one is a keeper. I'll get some more recent pic's with the new exhaust & post soon. BTW-off the conversation a bit- after riding in "Rolling Thunder" at the back of the pack & splitting off to view the Wall, ect. we rode up to Fells Point above Baltimore inner harbor & I discovered a new poison. It's called Vincent Van Gogh Vodka in either espresso or double espresso flavor. This stuff is dangerously good, i drink it over crushed ice & find myself quite the happy camper after 1/2 to 2/3 a bottle...whoa! :drink:
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