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CVO Technical => Drive Train => Topic started by: CVO2FIXUP on October 03, 2014, 08:59:06 AM
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He there, this past summer I was reading a thread on this forum about a brand new, tweaked, compensator that will be coming out by the end of the summer of 2014. Just wondering if any of you know anything abut the Latest compensator? Have a bike in the shop that need one and would like to replace with the latest. Thanx .
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I just had mine replaced in late Aug with the latest design. Took the bike back in on Monday because of the very noticable clunking compensator at idle and low rpm take offs.
If you ask me, Harley has failed once again!
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I just had mine replaced in late Aug with the latest design. Took the bike back in on Monday because of the very noticable clunking compensator at idle and low rpm take offs.
If you ask me, Harley has failed once again!
Willy, I'd say something stupid like my '09 still has the same comp that it came with, but if I do say that, it will probably crap out on me...
So I won't say that!
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Willy, I'd say something stupid like my '09 still has the same comp that it came with, but if I do say that, it will probably crap out on me...
So I won't say that!
Yeah, don't say that. You don't want to jinks yourself.
Did Harley change something in 2010? I really never hear about failed compensators on earlier years. If it works maybe I need to change to them.
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Yeah, don't say that. You don't want to jinks yourself.
Did Harley change something in 2010? I really never hear about failed compensators on earlier years. If it works maybe I need to change to them.
Harley made a change to the drivetrain in 2007 called CruiseDrive that required a substantially different compensator than prior years. Unfortunately, Harley has yet to come up with a compensator with any longevity since 2007...
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I just had mine replaced in late Aug with the latest design. Took the bike back in on Monday because of the very noticable clunking compensator at idle and low rpm take offs.
If you ask me, Harley has failed once again!
How many miles?
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How many miles?
27,000 +/- and about 400 on the new compensator.
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Had a new one installed a month ago and now with 4000 miles on it I have the noise back. Back to the shop Tuesday.
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'Had a new "old" <'14 no oiling tray compensator installed during the '09 SERG Build, 9k on it now, sounds as good as new so far...
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My recently replaced (Aug) new compensator is still at the dealer waiting on a response from Harley Tech guys on a solution to the heavy knocking sound after 400 miles.
Just heard back from the dealer. Harley Tech wants them to install a shim washer behind the thrust spring washers. Harley Tech had the dealer measure the crank extension on that side and came up with this shim washer idea.
Harley Tech said they are sending the shim washer they want them to use.
Hmmm, I suppose this is to add additional spring force?
We'll see!
No idea when they will complete the bike. Dealer said that Harley TEch did not give them a time frame when they asked.
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Why don't Harley go back to the old EVO style compensators?
I have almost 70,000 on mine with a S&S V 111 motor. 118 HP@
122 TO and no problems at all with compensator or chain or clutch hub. I am on 2nd Diamond Primary Cain
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Why don't Harley go back to the old EVO style compensators?
I have almost 70,000 on mine with a S&S V 111 motor. 118 HP@
122 TO and no problems at all with compensator or chain or clutch hub. I am on 2nd Diamond Primary Cain
Because the change to "cruise drive" starting in 2007 there is significantly more stress put on the driveline, especially the crankshafts. With the old style compensator, the driveline would take a beating. Better the compensator than the crankshaft? Actually better neither, but in going on 8 years, the MOCO hasn't figured out how to do it yet... Not sure their really trying, though... :nixweiss:
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X2 with the really not trying!
BigLew
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I have about 60,000 on my rivera compensator, 10,000 of that was with a 110" S&S with 125hp and 50,000 with the 127" which has been driven hard so I don't see how anyone can say the EVO compensator wasn't strong enough for the cruise drive it seems to me the Cruise Drive is not as strong.
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Hey all
Get with GMR Performance. Ton of info on the topic and the fix is available there. These newest comps are noisy out of the box. Why is explained there along with what has to be done to fix it.
Ride Safe
RichardK
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Harley originally intended the new sprocket/comp system the answer for providing smoother shifting and 6 speed tranny by spinning the tranny faster.
The real reason, imho, was to cut costs, the straight splined crankshaft eliminated 14 machining steps alone. Obtaining compensator parts from overseas with inferior quality metals and hardening proceedures that are at best, suspect, then providing virtually NO oil to the comp parts.
It was first tested on the 06 Dyna models, then incorporated into all in 07. Since 02, HD has constantly downgraded almost every part, going from proven systems to unproven, low quality, and read "cheaper" for HD, results in more profit per unit, shareholders are happy, owners are miserable. For the icing on the cake, HD prefers to hide the faults, disallow warranties and bury the info. They should be ashamed of themselves. twinotter
HD should quit calling these thing "American Made" and use "American Assembled".
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You are on the right track. I can respond informed mainly on the comp. The engineers and machinists we have used tell us the design is good and will do the job it is tasked to accomplish. To do it right would require match matching of the cam and ramps, better hardening and for sure getting it liberally lubricated. The machining that is done leaves some to be desired form the splines on the extension and ID of the cam not matching causing excesses load on the splines that do make contact to the retainer being all over the place. It needs to be balanced given it is many pounds of as cast spinning really fast. It would take less than $50 to do all that in a production volume of this assembly. You are on the mark about the bean counters running to much of the show. So here we are and we will not give up on our Harley's
RichardK