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[Mano]

FORD - First On Race Day!!!

Or

Found On Road Dead.

[JCZ]

My personal experience.....my Ford and Chevy trucks have been much, much more relaible than my Harleys.  Just sayinzall

[mark]

I'll take some parts from the only US car maker that didn't require a Govt bailout to survive.  BTW, HD may be better off letting Ford do more...like painting the CVOs and making the Infotainment system. 

[SBB]

My personal experience.....my Ford and Chevy trucks have been much, much more relaible than my Harleys.  Just sayinzall

Agree X 10,000!

 

SBB

[grc]

The FoMoCo has been like any other company that's been around over a hundred years; sometimes good, sometimes great, and sometimes not so great.  I spent over 35 years of my life as an employee and got to see all the warts as well as the good stuff, and I'd say that overall the good outweighed the bad.  After all, they are still in business when so many others are not, and they still have the best selling pickup truck for 38 years and counting.  Anyone who claims they are junk is dissing a whole hell of a lot of people who keep buying them.  And don't forget, where GM got billions from the taxpayers AND walked away from many more billions in debt, Ford hocked everything including the iconic names and trademarks to borrow the money to be able to avoid bankruptcy.  While Ford was busy paying off those loans, GM was free to start fresh and spend a lot of our money on new models.  Not exactly what I'd call a level playing field, but you don't see Ford management crying about it or even mentioning it in public.

Jerry

[dayne66]

FORD - First On Race Day!!!

only after being Fixed Or Repaired Daily when it was Found On the Road Dead.

[JCZ]

only after being Fixed Or Repaired Daily when it was Found On the Road Dead.

Come on now.....you're mistaking Ford for Harley. 

[SDCVO]

In my "real world" i deal with all the different Auto manufactures foreign and domestic and Ford is on the same level as the other domestics. The US has to deal with the American unions (not making ANY political statement here) which does put them at a disadvantage against the foreign's especially the Asian brands. I will say that I have seen a major improvement in quality with all the manufacturers in the last 5 years. Doesn't mean they are perfect by any stretch whether it is a $20,000 Domestic or a $200,000 German car. Easy to talk about but doesn't help when it is your own personal vehicle that breaks..

[skratch]

well, i can say that my 'other' vehicle is a ford pickup.  had it since 2003.  never broken down, never had to be towed anywhere.  only had 1 repair done under warranty, the ac compressor.  still worked, but made some noise so they replaced it.  the only problem i have with it is i can't open the rear doors (supercab).  otherwise, gets me where i need to go.

[finn]

The FoMoCo has been like any other company that's been around over a hundred years; sometimes good, sometimes great, and sometimes not so great.  I spent over 35 years of my life as an employee and got to see all the warts as well as the good stuff, and I'd say that overall the good outweighed the bad.  After all, they are still in business when so many others are not, and they still have the best selling pickup truck for 38 years and counting.  Anyone who claims they are junk is dissing a whole hell of a lot of people who keep buying them.  And don't forget, where GM got billions from the taxpayers AND walked away from many more billions in debt, Ford hocked everything including the iconic names and trademarks to borrow the money to be able to avoid bankruptcy.  While Ford was busy paying off those loans, GM was free to start fresh and spend a lot of our money on new models.  Not exactly what I'd call a level playing field, but you don't see Ford management crying about it or even mentioning it in public.

Jerry

  Thanks Jerry couldn't have said it better. I'm a active employee with 36 yrs.

[Robmay]

I thought GM's bailout was essentially a loan that was paid back (like in half the time they were given to pay it back)?

[CROCKETT1]

The only way to make a Furd run, you have to give it a Heartbeat.... 

[timo482]

a lot was stock - and there was giant pressure to sell the stock

its not exactly obvious how the stock sales go, maybe somebody else knows where to get the figures.
 

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[FLSTFI Dave]

I thought GM's bailout was essentially a loan that was paid back (like in half the time they were given to pay it back)?

Yes and no on that.  I am a huge GM fan.  The payback was set up in such a way they could claim it was all paid back.  It was a big loss, as it was a sell back of stock worth much less money.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/joannmuller/2013/12/09/taxpayers-dont-have-government-motors-to-kick-around-any-more/

Taxpayers recouped about $39 billion of the $50.1 billion pumped into GM in late 2008 and 2009 as the Bush and Obama administrations tried to save the car maker from collapse after years of mismanagement brought to a head by a crippling credit crisis and economic recession.

So we the tax payer got short changed just over 11 Billion dollars in the payback.

Like I said I am a GM fan, have a 14 Stingray, 80 Corvette and 06 GMC truck

[Ridgerunr]

My last 4 PU's were Ford or Dodge. I'd buy a Chevy but when I'm ready to buy they won't deal. I bought a new Ford F-150 supercrew year and half ago, Ford knocked $12,000.00 off the sticker, Chevy would only do a grand at that time. For me it's all about the money.  Many suppliers work with the big 3 so in the end they're not that much different in terms of component reliability.