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[Midnight Rider]

thanks, TC.  I may just have to ride to B'ham.  har!  spyder

Come on down, bro...we'd be glad to have you, and we'll get those things put in after a few beers and some BS...

[REGGAB]

You have to replace, Henry.  The heated grips have the rheostat in the left grip...looks like...well, it looks like a small dildo attached to the inside of the grip.  At any rate, all the wires, etc render the old grips useless, plus, you wouldn't want the knob on the left grip still on there when it's not functioning.

I elected to go with the Stealth collection non-heated grips, mostly because they fit my hand well, and I wanted to maintain the stock match to the floorboards, pegs, etc.  Plus, I like the fact that the HD grips do not require glue on the left grip.  Many of the grips I tried out were too fat for my hands, so my selection was somewhat limited.  My second choice would have been the Aileron (sp?) grips by HD...they were actually very comfortable, but I was unsure about the way they would look on the bike.

Exactly what I thought, Terry, but wasn't sure.  My grips were "cool" the last time I used them, so I fear they may be going bad.  From what I've read here, I've been expecting them to go bad.  So, looks like I need to get a set of non-heated Stealth grips.  Hopefully H-D makes them in sizes like they did the Skull grips I had on my old Ultra.  I need bigger grips, and if I'm going to go the Heat Demon route, this sounds like the time to do it......along with the Wild Ones........but that is a winter time weekend, lotsa beer and even more time project to be executed during a school term break.  Don't need anything else to worry about when I tackle that job.  Having done it before, I know it is a huge PITA.

HML

[Midnight Rider]

Exactly what I thought, Terry, but wasn't sure.  My grips were "cool" the last time I used them, so I fear they may be going bad.  From what I've read here, I've been expecting them to go bad.  So, looks like I need to get a set of non-heated Stealth grips.  Hopefully H-D makes them in sizes like they did the Skull grips I had on my old Ultra.  I need bigger grips, and if I'm going to go the Heat Demon route, this sounds like the time to do it......along with the Wild Ones........but that is a winter time weekend, lotsa beer and even more time project to be executed during a school term break.  Don't need anything else to worry about when I tackle that job.  Having done it before, I know it is a huge PITA.

HML

I did not see the stealth grips in anything but one size fits all.  At my local dealer, they have a floor rack with each HD grip (other than the 08 grips) displayed so you can wrap your hand around it to see how it feels.  I tried the Kury Iso Grips while there, and they felt really good, but too fat for my small hands.  I wear a small men's glove.  The non heated Stealth grips were $69.95....same diameter as the heated version.  If you're going to do the bars too, I'd get them from Jim (hd-dude), and if you go with the HD extended brake lines, I'd order the grips from a 20% house...wasn't worth it just for the grips.

[REGGAB]

I did not see the stealth grips in anything but one size fits all.  At my local dealer, they have a floor rack with each HD grip (other than the 08 grips) displayed so you can wrap your hand around it to see how it feels.  I tried the Kury Iso Grips while there, and they felt really good, but too fat for my small hands.  I wear a small men's glove.  The non heated Stealth grips were $69.95....same diameter as the heated version.  If you're going to do the bars too, I'd get them from Jim (hd-dude), and if you go with the HD extended brake lines, I'd order the grips from a 20% house...wasn't worth it just for the grips.

Thanks for the bar source info.  When it gets a little closer to winter, I'll get in touch with Jim and order a set of 575s.  As for the grips and brake lines......I usually order from either Zanotti's or Surdyke since they're the only 20% houses of which I'm aware.  My last order (A/C Cover, horn cover, glove box liners, saddlebag lid organizers, TC103 medallion) was through Surdyke about a week ago.  They just pushed the ship date out to 15 AUG.  Then I found I could have saved another ~$30 had I ordered from Zanotti's.  GAWD!
Just flew into Newport News, VA on very short notice today.  Here until Thursday AM.  Renea just called me.  Car won't start.  She has to work tomorrow @ 6AM.  My truck is at the Huntsville airport in long term parking.  Neighbor is taking her to the airport to get my truck.  Now I gotta figure out how to get from the airport to class Thursday afternoon, since she will be at work then.

I must be on the downside of my biorhythm cycle.   

Henry

[Boatman]

Started the install this evening.  I left the outer fairing on, removed the ignition switch and lower fairing and was able to pull the wires.  I couldn't get the fish tape from one side to the other so ended up going up thru the middle  of the handlebar and out each end.  The LH side was a burger. 
The 2 wire connectors worked well but had problems with the 3 wire.  Actually could have used another hand as all three wires are not the same gauge and it was easy to have 1 slip out a little of the connector while you were squeezing.  You can actually take the red button off and redo the connector on the 3 wire connectors.
The LH heater got hot real fast in about 20 seconds on high.

My question is where to get my power?  Can I just connect to the back of my acc switch and ground to the steering neck??

Have new Performance Machine Renthal grips coming Monday so won't get done until Monday night.

[Boatman]

Finally got it powered and grounded and the wires pushed in the LH handlebar.  Will put the new grips on tomorrow after receiving them.

Tried grounding at the ground on the fork cross brace and then the RH fork neck on frame and couldn't get a good ground either place.  Finally ran the ground back to the battery.  Now have 5 grounds plus the battery cable on the negative bolt.

Got power from the orange/red wire from the back of the acc switch and wired in a 5amp inline fuse holder.

I'm not making minimum wage on this install for the time I have in it and still not done. 

Hopefully they work well and all my handlebar switches still work when I get the new grips on.

[spydglide]

ok......now you're 'scaring' me.  har!  spyder

[Twolanerider]

The ground issue sounds weird Bob.  Controller must be very very picky about what flavor of common it cares for.

These heating elements have become my bad karma accessory.  Everytime I grab them to start playing with an install something comes up.  They are at least laying on the bench again right now.  At least not shoved back in a drawer.  That's progress isn't it ? 

[Boatman]

Don-

Anyone that can put an 06 HK radio in an 05 will have no problems with the Heat Demons once you have the time to do it.

As always, thanks for your help and also for TC's in his tips.

The windex on the snake really helps lubing and snaking it along.

I don't inderstand the grounds either.  After I made each ground, I would touch my power wire to the battery post and the controller would not light until I finally took the ground back to the battery.

My original factory grips are hard plastic with the chrome strips so it will be interesting how different grips heat (leather, rubber, plastic)..  The PM Renthal are rubber, yours are leather, and maybe Terry's is plastic so we can compare.

[Midnight Rider]

Bob...I had a bit of an advantage here, in that the heated grips that came stock on the bike already had a little harness with connectors, so I was able to just clip them off and use some of my heat shrink butt splices to connect everything back up.

Odd about the grounding...on my bike, there's also a ground just at the rear of the tank, down in the "black hole", if things get crowded on the battery terminal.  I HATE pulling the battery out of these things...they give you NO slack.  It's just a big ol PITA.  The little Devils get pretty damn hot, so I think they will transfer the heat through a set of wooden grips...

Want to see pics of the new grips and how the switch looks on the left side, since mine's on the right.  Will be great to see you in MV, bro...can't wait!!

[Boatman]

Want to see pics of the new grips and how the switch looks on the left side, since mine's on the right.  Will be great to see you in MV, bro...can't wait!!

Will be great to see you and everyone else.

Bob

[Boatman]

Received and installed the Performance Machine grips this afternoon.  They are an aluminum grip with a hard textured rubber inlaid over the outside.  They are much firmer than expected and are about 3/4"-1" shorter than the stock grips I took off.  They are about the same diameter (1 1/2" &--)  of the stock grips.

The clutch side is held on by 2 allen screws and not glued on.  That's one reason I liked the Harley grips-no glue.

I left the heaters on for a couple minutes and the aluminum outer ends of the grips were very hot and the rubber part was warm.  Will have to see how they heat and feel on the road.

I have small hands and I liked the feel of the ISO grips but seemed a little large for my hands.  Hopefully the firmness of the PM grips is comparable to a firm Corbin.   

Time and riding will tell.

[Midnight Rider]

Received and installed the Performance Machine grips this afternoon.  They are an aluminum grip with a hard textured rubber inlaid over the outside.  They are much firmer than expected and are about 3/4"-1" shorter than the stock grips I took off.  They are about the same diameter (1 1/2" &--)  of the stock grips.

The clutch side is held on by 2 allen screws and not glued on.  That's one reason I liked the Harley grips-no glue.

I left the heaters on for a couple minutes and the aluminum outer ends of the grips were very hot and the rubber part was warm.  Will have to see how they heat and feel on the road.

I have small hands and I liked the feel of the ISO grips but seemed a little large for my hands.  Hopefully the firmness of the PM grips is comparable to a firm Corbin.   

Time and riding will tell.

I like those grips, Bob...checked them out on the PM site.  They should heat up well too.  You'll probably get to try them in MV...

[Boatman]

Well I put the PM rubber grips on today, rode about 40 miles and don't care for them.  They are too small a diameter (about 1 3/8") and they are too plain hard/rough for my hands.

Put the stock 05 grips back on tonight.  They are about 1 1/2" diameter.

You probably can't buy a higher quality well made grip than PM..  As I said in a earlier post they are an milled aluminum block with a rubber inlay.

HEATING BETWEEN THE STOCK AND PM GRIPS ON HIGH ONLY IN 70 DEGREE WEATHER....

PM-The aluminum ends got so hot you couldn't touch them and the rubber part was just warm.

STOCK-The end caps are cool and the grips are HOT..

Needless to say with heated grips, the stock grips on my bike are a MUCH better in retaining heat where it is needed.

Also, my stock end caps were loose for a while and found they easily popped off and their was a little nut to tighten on the inside of the cap.

Hope this helps someone.  Thank goodness there is Ebay and I can get some of my PM money back.

[Twolanerider]

Well I put the PM rubber grips on today, rode about 40 miles and don't care for them.  They are too small a diameter (about 1 3/8") and they are too plain hard/rough for my hands.

Put the stock 05 grips back on tonight.  They are about 1 1/2" diameter.

You probably can't buy a higher quality well made grip than PM..  As I said in a earlier post they are an milled aluminum block with a rubber inlay.

HEATING BETWEEN THE STOCK AND PM GRIPS ON HIGH ONLY IN 70 DEGREE WEATHER....

PM-The aluminum ends got so hot you couldn't touch them and the rubber part was just warm.

STOCK-The end caps are cool and the grips are HOT..

Needless to say with heated grips, the stock grips on my bike are a MUCH better in retaining heat where it is needed.

Also, my stock end caps were loose for a while and found they easily popped off and their was a little nut to tighten on the inside of the cap.

Hope this helps someone.  Thank goodness there is Ebay and I can get some of my PM money back.

Guessing there was a place for metal to metal contact between the handlebar and some part of the grip to let the heat conduct to the end cap like that? 

Hopefully that overheat problem in any area won't be a problem with either the SAC's or the ISO's.  Both have inner rubber that is the full contact surface for the handlebar.  Everything will have to radiate through that (at least I think that's how I remember them being). 

Glad the new PM's weren't glue on.  Glad you had the Plan B to fall back to.  Glad the heaters are working so nicely.  Glad to see you in a week and a half or so .