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« on: March 11, 2005, 01:52:50 AM »

I saw this on  harleyzone "tips and tricks" i thought yall might like to see this guys idea
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Re: oil change
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2005, 08:45:01 AM »

looks like a good idea, if you have 3 hours to kill.
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Re: oil change
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2005, 09:40:50 AM »

That looks like it will work well. I made something similiar out of a plastic pan that was used for wall paper.

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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2005, 09:54:38 AM »

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looks like a good idea, if you have 3 hours to kill.




Why would  that take 3 hours?

Looks like a great idea to reduce oil spillage on your parts.
Thanks Cannibus_Man [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
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Re: oil change
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2005, 09:58:45 AM »

I've use this method in the past and it works great.  20 minute oil change, tops...including the time it takes to down the pepsi (along with a little Wild Turkey) and carve out the bottle!
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Re: oil change
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2005, 11:10:33 AM »

I use a similar idea to catch the filter leakage.  Round plastic milk jug carved out with a small lip on the back.  Guess it's been through about 20 changes.
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Re: oil change
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2005, 11:18:14 AM »

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looks like a good idea, if you have 3 hours to kill.


I'm biting my tongue...  [smiley=dunce2.gif] [smiley=confused.gif]



That's a damn good idea Cannibus... my next pepsi bottle WILL be used for that purpose!  Thanks for the suggestion.  [smiley=beerchug.gif]
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Re: oil change
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2005, 11:34:33 AM »

Will Caffeine Free Diet Coke Bottles Work? [smiley=laugh.gif]

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Re: oil change
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2005, 11:36:45 AM »

If you use "Pepsi Twist" you won't need a filter wrench.  [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif]
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Re: oil change
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2005, 12:07:38 PM »

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Re: oil change
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2005, 12:28:24 PM »

My sentiments exactly 103t... A good idea is a good idea... even if it may not apply to you.
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Re: oil change
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2005, 12:48:04 PM »

BTW:  Kng Bro... No offense but, I think I speak for everyone when I say, do us ALL a favor and try this one instead.  Thanks in advance! [smiley=laugh.gif]
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« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2005, 03:08:37 PM »

You guy's

Hope I never get on anyone's poo-poo list here.

What is that line in the song? "Money don't buy you love"

If I want drama I will watch Mike and Don play "tennis".

DJW your da man!

I love this site!
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Re: oil change
« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2005, 05:01:26 PM »

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If I want drama I will watch Mike and Don play "tennis".


Not Don.  He's a luv-er not a fighter.
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Re: oil change
« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2005, 05:34:45 PM »

Good idea  [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] and good thread folks  [smiley=laugh.gif]
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Re: oil change
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2005, 05:44:28 PM »

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Apparently, oil changes are done by that Harley Chopper Dealer.
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Re: oil change
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2005, 05:47:24 PM »

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Since he was blabbing about how much money he's got earlier, he probably doesn't get his hands dirty, anyway, so I'm not sure why he was chiming in with a negative comment about a great idea.
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Re: oil change
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2005, 05:47:39 PM »

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Since he was blabbing about how much money he's got earlier, he probably doesn't get his hands dirty, anyway, so I'm not sure why he was chiming in with a negative comment about a great idea.
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Re: oil change
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2005, 06:08:32 PM »

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what is the big deal if a little oil spills on your bike?


Actually that one thing (oil spill during filter change) is the most significant part of the entire thread.  Whether someone changes their own oil or pays someone else to have it done is largely irrelvant.  Depends on anyone's relative skills, familiarity, patience, willingess etc etc etc.

Whomever does it, however, the oil spill is consequential.  It's the oil spill from the filter that leaks down on the front motor mount and helps it along toward a failure that will occur earlier then if it never got oil saturated.  And that is worth the minimal time and small effort to butcher a soda bottle.
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Re: oil change
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2005, 06:09:53 PM »

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Haven't heard anything from DW6019 since he got on the permanent Kuryakyn mailing list... [smiley=nixweiss.gif]


Now now, it's not nice to stir  [smiley=nervous.gif]
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Re: oil change
« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2005, 07:34:56 PM »

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i never said how much money i had ever.
it's just not an issue.
 i am sorry if your own insecurities made you perceive my comment that way.

now, as for you and the other clown jumping on my every word [smiley=clown.gif]
its pretty easy to be a big man when we are thousands of miles away.



Um... yeah. You WERE blabbing.  Funny how THAT post seems to be missing...
And I'm not insecure... Maybe here in Cheeecaaaaga... they just teaches us propa gramma and shpelling!!!  Obviously not the case in Neeeuuu Yoke.

Out of respect for the forum... I will not even address your BIG MAN remark little man.   Because you can guess where that remark's going to take you.  

The point of all this.... don't be a know it all.  It's not attractive.... and I was serious about that pic...

And maybe a geography lesson... Chicago to NYC... 750 miles.
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Re: oil change
« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2005, 08:58:30 PM »

Cannibus

Great idea that you posted.  I am going to try it.  Forget about the mad short guy!

Otis [smiley=argue.gif]
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« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2005, 09:50:24 PM »

Hey Otis

Where you been Bud?
Are you missing Tater Hubbard and Shrader?
Look forward to seeing you at the CVO rally.
We need to meet up (well down for you) at Tilleys someday.
When's Tater coming back? Remember at 135 it's only a 4 hour trip from Daytona to home for him?

Can't you just feel the love here?
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Re: oil change
« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2005, 10:15:56 PM »

hd2003

I have been staying in the background keeping my mouth shut so I stay out of trouble.   Tater Hubbard will be coming home Sunday.  I just saw Shrader at www.hogsbreath.com in Key West.  It has been kind of quiet this week with both of them being gone.  Looking forward to meeting everyone at the CVO Rally.

Otis

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Re: oil change
« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2005, 10:59:24 PM »

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i never said how much money i had ever.
it's just not an issue.
 i am sorry if your own insecurities made you perceive my comment that way.
i thought this forum was for members to share their oppinions and views on topics that are discussed.
as for as the soda bottle, i could have my filter removed an installed before you cut the bottle open.
and talking about not getting dirty, what is the big deal if a little oil spills on your bike?
what do you do with this clever little invention after you are done? clean it and put it away until next time?
it may work great for other members, and cudos to the man who thought of it.
it's just not for me.
now, as for you and the other clown jumping on my every word [smiley=clown.gif]
its pretty easy to be a big man when we are thousands of miles away.
you guy's must have too much time on your hands if you have nothing better to do then to bash me. i have not said anything negative to or about any member of this forum.
that being said.
GET A LIFE!!!
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Re: oil change
« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2005, 02:01:11 AM »

whoa,, lol  hey man , i juz copied and pasted a picture from another site.It is actually someone elses idear. i wanna try it tho..the time frame is irrelevant to me .. i plan on changin all the fluids on my bike,all the time . when it comes due...if it takes time then im ok  with it ....oil containment was the idea ...make sure you loosen the filter some first  before ya load the hourglass on the filter then remove it by hand .. [smiley=laugh.gif]
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Re: oil change
« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2005, 08:55:04 AM »

i'll try and keep this one on topic, i could have used something like that, the last time i worked on my softail, i had to do a filter swap with a full bag of oil
( it seemed like a good idea at the time [smiley=dunce.gif] ), and believe you me it got messy on the front of the motor and frame. I for one will definatley be trying this trick.
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« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2005, 09:57:52 AM »

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i never said how much money i had ever.
it's just not an issue.

Kng 103, cut the crap, you deleted the post.

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i thought this forum was for members to share their oppinions and views on topics that are discussed.

kng103, We survived HUBBARD comin on like jack the bear and we will survive you.
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Re: oil change
« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2005, 09:59:44 AM »

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Um... yeah. You WERE blabbing.
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« Reply #29 on: March 12, 2005, 10:59:23 AM »

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Kng 103, cut the crap, you deleted the post.


It's still there, Mike, just not where you're thinking it should be (6-speed thread):

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thats play money.
it seems like you reply to every post.
nothin better to do with yourself? [smiley=thumbsdown.gif]

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« Reply #30 on: March 12, 2005, 11:06:38 AM »

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Re: oil change
« Reply #31 on: March 12, 2005, 11:14:09 AM »

BLM... I would, but the whole damn thread would CERTAINLY get deleted.
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« Reply #32 on: March 12, 2005, 11:15:37 AM »

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It's still there, Mike, just not where you're thinking it should be (6-speed thread):

Yeah, you are right 103 and here it is.
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Re: oil change
« Reply #33 on: March 12, 2005, 11:53:43 AM »

happy now?
like i said before i have never dissed any member of this forum.
seems to me like some can dish it out, but can't take it.
and why would i delete a post, that so many people seem to enjoy responding to.
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« Reply #34 on: March 12, 2005, 11:54:46 AM »

Mike you said it absolutly wonderfully. kng103 don't go away. We do want to hear from you, just like Mike said though, not in a way that makes us pull back from our monitors and go
"What.... What did he say.... What did he say to ME?
But rather, ummmm that is very interesting.
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« Reply #35 on: March 12, 2005, 12:01:43 PM »

Cann....man,

Thanks for this post and a excellent idea! [smiley=thumbsup.gif] Who da thunk?

That just saved me about 3hrs of clean up! Sure, anyone can change a filter in a couple minutes but who wants to leave that messy oil all over that beautiful bike? Of course I know there may be some person out here that won't care because money is no object. He may be capable of wiping his backside with $100 bills but that doesn't make it right, you still have CRAP on your bike!   [smiley=shocked2.gif]

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« Reply #36 on: March 12, 2005, 12:06:24 PM »

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« Reply #37 on: March 12, 2005, 12:13:14 PM »

HA!!!!!!!!! [smiley=beer.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_20.gif]
This IS better than porn.

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« Reply #38 on: March 12, 2005, 12:52:14 PM »

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« Reply #39 on: March 12, 2005, 12:56:55 PM »

On most FLH bikes it, (the oil from removing the oil filter), just makes a mess and degrades the front motor mount, but if you have the oil cooler like all FLHTCSE's have, then the oil gets behind the oil cooler and comes dripping out a bit later, like when you are going down the road.
 It is an excellent way to keep the underside and back of your bike very well oiled. Because of this I always try to catch all the oil that I can with the bottle trick plus paper towels. If I miss some I usually end up taking off the oil cooler to clean up the mess.
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« Reply #40 on: March 12, 2005, 02:26:57 PM »

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« Reply #41 on: March 12, 2005, 03:27:43 PM »

I had no idea that  this would be such a messy thread.......... [smiley=nixweiss.gif]  
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« Reply #45 on: March 12, 2005, 10:58:06 PM »

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i'm glad thats over with. [smiley=beerchug.gif]


OMG, kng took the photo down!  And yet another FLHRSEI.org "tennis match" (as hd2003-se2005 put it) ends in peace, love and understanding.  All together now: "I LOVE THIS PLACE!!!"  
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« Reply #46 on: March 13, 2005, 08:52:16 AM »

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Thanks alot Mike!

Hot coffee thru the nose and now I have to change shirts before I can go to church! Oh well, at least it won"t take me 3 hrs cleaning off my computer screen.

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Re: oil change
« Reply #47 on: March 13, 2005, 12:29:36 PM »

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« Reply #49 on: March 14, 2005, 08:31:02 PM »

YEE-HI!!! [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif]
 It's GREAT to be back in these Majestic Mountains and tune in to this site!!  I see some of you even missed me. [smiley=bigok.gif]  Think of that!!  Were any of you on 40 or 92 between Ocala and Daytona last week?  Man, we had fun!!  Ain't no soot in Ol' Maudie!  Rode it everyday except Wednesday.  Rained.  Drove the Truck.  Shrader's back, too.  Saw him at his shop yesterday.  Told him I looked for him all up and down 95, but he was not to be found.  Used the excuse they were all in Key West.  Hey, BLM777-Is that the same as Crystal River?  Went by there many times.  Can't remember the route.  Good thread, kng103! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]  Keep it coming.  Chit, man, one of my threads was sent "File 13" by "The Man." [smiley=cry2.gif]  I made it right as best I could, and now some of these clowns call me "Tater!"  All I can say about money is what my Ol' Pappy taught me about it.  "If your expenses exceed your income, your assets in jail!"  Otis and I change our own oil in his Garage.  We change Engine oil every 1000-1500 miles, depending on where and how hard we ran.  When finished, we apply "Brake Clean", liberally, start and check for leaks, clean up the mess, and get in the breeze.  No oil on our bikes, anywhere!  Otis does most of the work.  He's younger than me, so he sees better.  Enjoyed your quip MFG!  I quote Vince Lombardi often, "If you can do it, it ain't braggin'!"  Looking forward to the Valley!  Later--HUBBARD  
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« Reply #50 on: March 14, 2005, 08:44:14 PM »

Boy

I'm glad Tater's back!

Should be an interesting CVO rally.

I still think Otis is the sleeper in the bunch.

And Tater, good quote about the "Assets"

Glad your back [smiley=beerchug.gif]

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« Reply #51 on: March 15, 2005, 09:41:40 PM »

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Re: oil change
« Reply #52 on: March 16, 2005, 02:49:14 AM »

This thread was cracking me up....you guys are great....Mike you said it all and very well..
so now we are looking at large pix of a beautiful young lady when kng103 posts...can't complain too much. by the way Cann. thanks for the pepsi bottle thing..good one... [smiley=beerchug.gif]
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« Reply #53 on: March 16, 2005, 07:26:53 AM »

You just never know what's going to get us going, do you?
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Re: oil change
« Reply #54 on: March 16, 2005, 08:12:04 AM »

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« Reply #55 on: March 16, 2005, 08:34:27 AM »

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Yep......but I don't think it was due to anything anybody posted on this thread.  I think it's because he's being considerate to this being a free web site and he realized how much band width he was taking up by the picture being on every single one of his posts.  Yep, I believe that was the reason. [smiley=laugh.gif]




Oh well! [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

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Take notice of the above from JCZ.
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« Reply #56 on: March 16, 2005, 08:50:45 AM »

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Oh well! [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

So much for JCZ's thought.

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Take notice of the above from JCZ.
Why????? Cause he is right!

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i was just goofing around.
i have to get some current pics of my ride so i can post them.
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« Reply #57 on: March 16, 2005, 08:52:32 AM »

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Oh well! [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

So much for JCZ's thought.

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Take notice of the above from JCZ.
Why????? Cause he is right!

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you have to admit though,
j lo makes a hot biker chick!!!
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« Reply #58 on: March 16, 2005, 08:55:21 AM »

Kng

Nothing wrong with that pic of J Lo except size.
A smaller pic would be better!
J Lo on a shovel would be my dream! If I got to keep the shovel!



So!
Since all the poop is past us, are we going to see you at the CVO rally?

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« Reply #59 on: March 16, 2005, 09:04:30 AM »

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Kng

Nothing wrong with that pic of J Lo except size.
A smaller pic would be better!
J Lo on a shovel would be my dream! If I got to keep the shovel!



So!
Since all the poop is past us, are we going to see you at the CVO rally?


no, it's really hard for me to take the time off from work.
i am going to laconia. i read somewhere on this forum, that some people might get together there.
i'll wait and see what happens.
what state is the smokey mountain gathering in?
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« Reply #60 on: March 16, 2005, 09:15:48 AM »

Certainly, the context of the photo is great.  [smiley=laugh.gif] Although I question the claim that the pic is of J.Lo. (not nearly enough junk in the trunk... and too much make-up for her) I certainly don't want that comment to start another long thread.  [smiley=nervous.gif]  Just my opinion... and it DON'T matter.  [smiley=confused.gif] Isn't there a gallery now???  [smiley=dunce2.gif]
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« Reply #61 on: March 16, 2005, 09:16:36 AM »

CVO Rally in the Valley
Maggie Valley  NC
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Maggie Valley
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A smaller pic would be better!







Kng
Not to be pushy but didn't  that part about a smaller picture not register?


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« Reply #66 on: March 16, 2005, 09:31:53 AM »

Legs are too thin for a girl with a big a$$.
And J has one!  [smiley=laugh.gif]

Hot chick... nonetheless.  Just don't think it's her.  [smiley=beerchug.gif]
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« Reply #68 on: March 16, 2005, 09:35:31 AM »

kng, check ur mail.
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« Reply #69 on: March 16, 2005, 09:38:20 AM »

103-I like to check site from work - only have dial up and your photos take up too much time to load.I agree with others  you need to put your photos in album .-whada think-AK
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(holding back tears of joy) Oh thanks!.... and I wasn't even trying  [smiley=devil.gif]
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DJW

Maybe change your name to DJW-GFI
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« Reply #76 on: March 16, 2005, 10:02:14 PM »

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Gotta love it.
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