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[hd-dude]

There is a new product coming out next week from Hawg-wired acalled the "Direct connect" This new amp is a 2-channel 120 watt Class T" digital amp (as their other products) and is a true Plug and play system. There is no wiring at all to change or run in the bike and no settings to adjust on the amp. It connects directly to the factory radio plug and speakers leads. Install takes less than an hour to do and most of that time is to remove the fairing. I installed an pre-release system today and am very impressed with the results. The system does not have quite as much kick as the 150 watt amp but still works very well.

Here is a pic of the new amp and the connector cable. You simply unplug the factory connector from the radio and plug it into the harness. The other end of the harness connects back to the radio. There is a pigtail that then connects to the new amp.

EDIT: I had made a typo on the power on this unit. It is 120watt (60x2)!

[hd-dude]

Here is a pic of the bike the unit was installed in. This bike had the garage door opener transmitter mounted on top of the radio so it was relocated to make room for the amp.

[hd-dude]

The amp is mounted on top of the radio and held in place with the supplied Velcro.

[hd-dude]

The wire harness is connected to the factory harness between the factory plug and radio. There is then a pigtail that connects up to the amp. That is it for the amp install, VERY quick and clean.

[hd-dude]

Here is a pic of the new SX series speakers. These particular units are 4 ohms but these are availible in 2 and 8 oms as well.

[Twolanerider]

It could hardly get any simpler than that Jim.  If the changes in connectivity and other changes done for simplicity's sake are what took up the space necessary to downsize the unit's output, however, I'm not sure it's at all fair trade.  The original systems were pretty darned easy to begin with.

[hd-dude]

Pic of the new speakers installed and connected to the factory speaker leads.

[hd-dude]

Here's the completed install done and ready to close the fairing up.

[hd-dude]

It could hardly get any simpler than that Jim.  If the changes in connectivity and other changes done for simplicity's sake are what took up the space necessary to downsize the unit's output, however, I'm not sure it's at all fair trade.  The original systems were pretty darned easy to begin with.

It really is simple to install. The connectivity changes were made soley to make the install even more easy than it was. The down size in power was done to lower cost and also to eliminate the need to run a new power cable to the battery. The whole goal with this new system was to make a basic, entry level, easy to install plug in system.

It is important to note here that the exisiting 150 watt 2-channel and 300 watt 4-channel amps are not going away. This kit is a great addiiton to the Hawg-wired family.

[Twolanerider]

It really is simple to install. The connectivity changes were made soley to make the install even more easy than it was. The down size in power was done to lower cost and also to eliminate the need to run a new power cable to the battery. The whole goal with this new system was to make a basic, entry level, easy to install plug in system.

It is important to note here that the exisiting 150 watt 2-channel and 300 watt 4-channel amps are not going away. This kit is a great addiiton to the Hawg-wired family.

Not having to do the 10ga home run to the battery seems to be the biggest task that is lost.  Were someone hesitant to pull the tank themselves that would make this a good option.  The others work so well though...

Just checked their website and found nothing yet.  Will the price difference be significant enough to also push one way or the other?

[Fired00d]

That's easy enough for somebody like me to do.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[Mr. We]

That's easy enough for somebody like me to do.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

Gotta be easier than the chrome lifter block covers! 

[Fired00d]

Gotta be easier than the chrome lifter block covers! 

No Chit!!! That took two days, a lot of beer, and modifying a wrench to get the job done. All because I didn't want to take the front pipe off.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[SneakyPete]

Jim,

Looks like another fine product from Hawg Wired.  I love my system and the excellent service you provide.  I am sure you are busier than a one legged man in an a$$ kicking contest with your new shop.  I understand from reading various posts here that you offer more products than currently listed on your site.  For those of us (like me) that aren't around the corner from you, please update your site so we know how we can spend more money with you!

[mr_magoo]

Thanks for the update Jim looks like a great system for someone who doesn't like to do wiring. 

[Twolanerider]

That's easy enough for somebody like me to do.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

You add things you can't polish ?

[Fired00d]

You add things you can't polish ?

Every now and then, but don't let anyone know about it.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[hd-dude]

Not having to do the 10ga home run to the battery seems to be the biggest task that is lost.  Were someone hesitant to pull the tank themselves that would make this a good option.  The others work so well though...

Just checked their website and found nothing yet.  Will the price difference be significant enough to also push one way or the other?

Don;
The official product release will be this coming week. Pricing will be announce then.

[Twolanerider]

Don;
The official product release will be this coming week. Pricing will be announce then.

Thanks Jim.  It'll be interesting to see how significant the difference is.  The company makes such nice products one could never complain about more options; especially when they're so much easier.  I'd personally buy a moderately more expensive box from you for the increased capability.  But can certainly understand someone not being comfortable pulling a tank and wanting the easier task.

[Fired00d]

Thanks Jim.  It'll be interesting to see how significant the difference is.  The company makes such nice products one could never complain about more options; especially when they're so much easier.  I'd personally buy a moderately more expensive box from you for the increased capability.  But can certainly understand someone not being comfortable pulling a tank and wanting the easier task.

Heh, I resemble that remark.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[110tHunDer]

 
Looking forward to seeing the pricing.  I might have to do that to the SEEG and put my Hog Tunes speakers from there into the SERG.

[Twolanerider]

Heh, I resemble that remark.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

Gary, you could be a tank yanker.

[Twolanerider]

Looking forward to seeing the pricing.  I might have to do that to the SEEG and put my Hog Tunes speakers from there into the SERG.

Then which speakers get replaced in to the SEEG?  Whatchagonnado Brian?

[110tHunDer]

Then which speakers get replaced in to the SEEG?  Whatchagonnado Brian?

Just thinking full Hawg Wired setup for the SEEG and moving the Hog Tunes speakers from there to the SERG.

[Twolanerider]

Just thinking full Hawg Wired setup for the SEEG and moving the Hog Tunes speakers from there to the SERG.

Those component speakers?  Front's only?  Or do the bigger amp with four legs and more speakers?

[Twolanerider]

Jim, a question on the new amp.

If you plug this interconnect harness/amp in on a bike with rear channels are the rears unaffected?  Or is this amp simply not to be used on a bike with rears?

[Fired00d]

Gary, you could be a tank yanker.

I'm to afraid I'd be a "tank scratcher/dropper".

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[Twolanerider]

I'm to afraid I'd be a "tank scratcher/dropper".

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

The quick disconnect on my fuel crossover line makes it simple.  Off in 10 minutes.  Never even worry about how much fuel is in it.  Not having that line makes it more a nuisance and would take longer of course.  As dedicated a detailer as you are I'm surprised you don't tank yank every so often just to really do a good job on the rocker boxes.

[110tHunDer]

Those component speakers?  Front's only?  Or do the bigger amp with four legs and more speakers?

Nothin' fancy.  Just what Jim showed in this thread.

It's interesting the stock audio system on the SERG actually plays louder than the 40w system with Hog Tunes on the SEEG.  Even the wife commented while riding on the SERG that "the stereo is better on this bike," when, of course, it really is not, but all she knew is she could hear it better.  It probably has to do with the fairing design which must be a better speaker enclosure than the SEEG's batwing.  I think all it (the SERG) needs are speakers and it'd be good to go.

[SBB]

Jim,

Looks like another fine product from Hawg Wired.  I love my system and the excellent service you provide.  I am sure you are busier than a one legged man in an a$$ kicking contest with your new shop.  I understand from reading various posts here that you offer more products than currently listed on your site.  For those of us (like me) that aren't around the corner from you, please update your site so we know how we can spend more money with you!

Pete

That's a good idea for him to update his site.
But I have an even better one.
Don't worry about his site, anytime you want anything, call Jim.
Doesn't matter what it is, he can get it. Usually at a better price than most vendors.
If your looking at an eight hundred dollar or so item and are worried about 1 or 2 dollars he may not be competitive.
But for me there is a great value to dealing with someone you can trust.
And I trust him!

Call him!

SBB

[Twolanerider]

That's another question Jim will need to answer Brian.  I could see this plug in amp not working with the SEEGs.  They've got that "other" radio with the amplifier harness and use the audio output from that secondary amp harness.

The original audio outputs are still there though.  So it's probably an option after all.  Nothing is ever simple is it ?

[Fired00d]

The quick disconnect on my fuel crossover line makes it simple.  Off in 10 minutes.  Never even worry about how much fuel is in it.  Not having that line makes it more a nuisance and would take longer of course.  As dedicated a detailer as you are I'm surprised you don't tank yank every so often just to really do a good job on the rocker boxes.

What I can't see doesn't bother me.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[110tHunDer]

That's another question Jim will need to answer Brian.  I could see this plug in amp not working with the SEEGs.  They've got that "other" radio with the amplifier harness and use the audio output from that secondary amp harness.

The original audio outputs are still there though.  So it's probably an option after all.  Nothing is ever simple is it ?

OK, nuts, I never even thought of that.

No.

[SBB]

I'm to afraid I'd be a "tank scratcher/dropper".

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

Am I hearing that the tank has to be removed to install the hot lead to the battery?
Why?


 

[Fired00d]

That's another question Jim will need to answer Brian.  I could see this plug in amp not working with the SEEGs.  They've got that "other" radio with the amplifier harness and use the audio output from that secondary amp harness.

The original audio outputs are still there though.  So it's probably an option after all.  Nothing is ever simple is it ?

Now that's a first you might have just saved me from adding something to my wishlist (spending money).

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[Twolanerider]

Am I hearing that the tank has to be removed to install the hot lead to the battery?
Why?


 

Chip, on the larger version of this amp system there's a 10ga power cable that goes from the amp to the battery.  The battery certainly doesn't have to be removed to route it.  But to make sure it's strapped down and run in a way that satisfies me I always pull the tank on the few of these I've put in.  When you installed yours recently you might have just raised the rear end of the tank and fished it through.  A lot have been installed that way.  No problem at all.  I'm just very anal retentive about cable and harness routing.

[Twolanerider]

Now that's a first you might have just saved me from adding something to my wishlist (spending money).

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

Jim will clarify.  It'll probably be as simple as plugging the intereconnect in the standard harness and then using the "other" set of speaker wires that are already tied off up close to the speakers.

[SBB]

Chip, on the larger version of this amp system there's a 10ga power cable that goes from the amp to the battery.  The battery certainly doesn't have to be removed to route it.  But to make sure it's strapped down and run in a way that satisfies me I always pull the tank on the few of these I've put in.  When you installed yours recently you might have just raised the rear end of the tank and fished it through.  A lot have been installed that way.  No problem at all.  I'm just very anal retentive about cable and harness routing.

No fishing through.
Pulled it through.
I assume you know the best thing to use to pull a line through the tank?

 

[Twolanerider]

No fishing through.
Pulled it through.
I assume you know the best thing to use to pull a line through the tank?

 

Chip, there's actually enough room with the tank raised up to just hand it through.  I meant fish as in work it through, not as in using a fish tool.  I don't do it that way just because I like to get it through an existing strap and get the rest of the routing exactly where I want it.  Just me being overly careful/anal retentive.

[Fired00d]

No fishing through.
Pulled it through.
I assume you know the best thing to use to pull a line through the tank?

 

You have my attention...

* Fired00d waits to hear what to use.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[Fired00d]

Chip, there's actually enough room with the tank raised up to just hand it through.  I meant fish as in work it through, not as in using a fish tool.  I don't do it that way just because I like to get it through an existing strap and get the rest of the routing exactly where I want it.  Just me being overly careful/anal retentive.

Easy for you to say. I tried to do that to get my orange plug wires on and my hand wouldn't fit in there to get the plug loose. Sometimes big hands are a PIA!!

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[Twolanerider]

Easy for you to say. I tried to do that to get my orange plug wires on and my hand wouldn't fit in there to get the plug loose. Sometimes big hands are a PIA!!

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

I can't do plug wires either Gary.  Not even close.  Wear an XL glove and plug wires just laugh at me.  The only reason can sneak those cables through is because they start outside the tank.  So if you hold your mouth right it can get started in the right direction and keep going far enough to grab it on the other end.  Have done that a couple of times with precisely these amp cables we're talking about.  Both times was then not satisfied with how I could see their routing.  So finished lifting the tank anyway. 

[SBB]

You have my attention...

* Fired00d waits to hear what to use.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

So I raised the tank (maybe 3/4") at the rear on Nancy's bike and looked through and could see a little daylight.
Yep, plenty of room for that cable.
But how do I fish it through?
I looked around the garage.
Then noticed two tour paks with the whip antenna's.
Removed the antenna and at approx 4' long a great way to fish a line back through.
Ball on antenna is bigger than the 10GA. hot wire so no issues there.
Fed it from front of tank to rear with the greatest of ease, taped the lead to the antenna and pulled it back through.
Dropped the tank back down, tightened it back and then made sure there was no binding of the hot lead and that was done!

Put antenna back on tour pak!

 

 

[Fired00d]

So I raised the tank (maybe 3/4") at the rear on Nancy's bike and looked through and could see a little daylight.
Yep, plenty of room for that cable.
But how do I fish it through?
I looked around the garage.
Then noticed two tour paks with the whip antenna's.
Removed the antenna and at approx 4' long a great way to fish a line back through.
Ball on antenna is bigger than the 10GA. hot wire so no issues there.
Fed it from front of tank to rear with the greatest of ease, taped the lead to the antenna and pulled it back through.
Dropped the tank back down, tightened it back and then made sure there was no binding of the hot lead and that was done!

Put antenna back on tour pak!

 

 

Thanks.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[Twolanerider]

Put antenna back on tour pak!

 

 

That's the best tool of convenience idea I've heard in a long time.  Too cool .

[Boatman]

Don asked if I got the bike anything for my birthday and I said no, this may be the ticket if it works on our SEEG radios. 

I went from HTunes's to the CX speakers and couldn't be happier.  Figured the bigger amp couldn't hurt anything.

[hd-dude]

Jim, a question on the new amp.

If you plug this interconnect harness/amp in on a bike with rear channels are the rears unaffected?  Or is this amp simply not to be used on a bike with rears?

Don;
The amp will not affect the rear channels. It can be used with either a 2 channel radio or a 4 channel but 0nly the front channels will be amplified. The bike I used the first system on in the pics is actually an Ultra that has the TP on a Detach kit.

[hd-dude]

That's another question Jim will need to answer Brian.  I could see this plug in amp not working with the SEEGs.  They've got that "other" radio with the amplifier harness and use the audio output from that secondary amp harness.

The original audio outputs are still there though.  So it's probably an option after all.  Nothing is ever simple is it ?

This new amp will work fine on the SEEG. IT connects to the main connector harness so the added internal amp that the seeg uses is just eliminated.

[hd-dude]

Jim will clarify.  It'll probably be as simple as plugging the intereconnect in the standard harness and then using the "other" set of speaker wires that are already tied off up close to the speakers.

You got it! Just use the standard leads that are there on the bike.

[Twolanerider]

You got it! Just use the standard leads that are there on the bike.

Uh oh, I think Bob's bike just got a birthday present .

[greglyon]

The newer bikes have a 2 ohm radio/amp that connects to 2 ohm speakers.  Does Hawg-Wired now have a 2 ohm amplifier to go along with their 2 ohm speakers?

[hd-dude]

The newer bikes have a 2 ohm radio/amp that connects to 2 ohm speakers.  Does Hawg-Wired now have a 2 ohm amplifier to go along with their 2 ohm speakers?

No they do not. If you use the HW amp then you will also need to use the HW 4 ohm speakers, regardless of the year.

[hd-dude]

The DCS 120 watt amp is officially released now. Pricing is $495.95 for the amp and the SX series speakers are $179.95. As always I offer the site 10% off on these products. With the discount the price is $608.35 for amp and speakers.

Here is the info from Hawg-wired:
It's never been easier than this; A high powered amplifier that directly connects to your stock system. With our new direct connect harness, simply plug 3 connectors together, and you're wired. Completely wired. Featuring the same quality technology as our PSC Series, this amplifier pumps out 120 watts of crystal-clear audio. Power packing technology has never been so simple.

Tip: The DCS1202 is not expandable. No additional channels can be added to this system.

Key Features
 Class-T® design makes efficient power with low heat
 Clean, raw power without taxing the charging system
 Direct Connect Harness for plug & play simplified installation
 Standard interfaces for universal compatibility
 Built-in crossovers for maximum loudspeaker performance
 Conformal coated for corrosion and water protection
 1 Year Warranty

Kit Includes
 1 – DCS1202 120W (2x60) Direct Connect Amplifier
 1 – WP1202HD Wiring Kit
 1 – Installation Instructions

[Boatman]

 Built-in crossovers for maximum loudspeaker performance
 

Jim-I have the speakers (CX) with the crossovers.  What do you do with them (existing crossovers)?

Our built in amps have 2X30?

Do you have the amps in stock yet?

I am very happy with the CX clarity over the removed HTunes.  Do you think this amp will make the CX's that much better?

Thanks, Bob

[hd-dude]

Jim-I have the speakers (CX) with the crossovers.  What do you do with them (existing crossovers)?

Our built in amps have 2X30?

Do you have the amps in stock yet?

I am very happy with the CX clarity over the removed HTunes.  Do you think this amp will make the CX's that much better?

Thanks, Bob

Bob;
The CX speakers are better than the new SX series. They will work very well with the new amp as well. The thing to remember is that the stock CVo radio is "higher" powered than the standard radios but what they do not tell you is at what distortion rating they gave the 30 watts output. An amp with 30 watts output and a 5 or 10% distortion rating will not hold a candle to a similiar rated amp at a much lower distotion rating. The DCS HW amp is rated at 60watts per channel with a .010% Total Harmonic Distortion. What you will gain with the new amp is more volume and clarity, and yes I have a few of the new amps ready to go.

[Fired00d]

Bob;
The CX speakers are better than the new SX series. They will work very well with the new amp as well. The thing to remember is that the stock CVo radio is "higher" powered than the standard radios but what they do not tell you is at what distortion rating they gave the 30 watts output. An amp with 30 watts output and a 5 or 10% distortion rating will not hold a candle to a similiar rated amp at a much lower distotion rating. The DCS HW amp is rated at 60watts per channel with a .010% Total Harmonic Distortion. What you will gain with the new amp is more volume and clarity, and yes I have a few of the new amps ready to go.

Jim,
Would there be significant performance over cost benefit to use these speakers if you're upgrading to this amp w/out any Hawg-Wired speakers?

BTW - Thanks to you (and a lot of members on this site) I'll never want to get rid of my because I'll never have all the goodies that I can go on it.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[Boatman]

Thanks for the reply Jim.

What do you do with the CX crossovers since this amp has them built in?

[hd-dude]

Jim,
Would there be significant performance over cost benefit to use these speakers if you're upgrading to this amp w/out any Hawg-Wired speakers?

BTW - Thanks to you (and a lot of members on this site) I'll never want to get rid of my because I'll never have all the goodies that I can go on it.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

Gary;
Not sure I understand your question.....If its to compare the CX to the SX then I think that yes I would go to the CX speakers. They are only $50.00 more retail. The big thing with this new amp is to have a direct plug in system, no splicing or connecting any wires at all. The SX series speakers plug right into the factory speaker leads whereas the CX series speakers would require you to splice the wires in due to the external crossover. If you want a complete plug in setup then the SX speakers are the way to go.

[hd-dude]

Thanks for the reply Jim.

What do you do with the CX crossovers since this amp has them built in?

The amp does not have the CX x-over internal. What it has in an electronic x-over built in. You would still need the CX external x-over. Since you already have them wired in you would just plug the amp in and be done.

[Fired00d]

Gary;
Not sure I understand your question.....If its to compare the CX to the SX then I think that yes I would go to the CX speakers. They are only $50.00 more retail. The big thing with this new amp is to have a direct plug in system, no splicing or connecting any wires at all. The SX series speakers plug right into the factory speaker leads whereas the CX series speakers would require you to splice the wires in due to the external crossover. If you want a complete plug in setup then the SX speakers are the way to go.

With the new plug and play amp system you added the SX speakers when you posted the components. However when Bob asked would the CX work you said they would and were actually better speakers. I'm wanting to know are the CX plug and play w/this amp. For $50 more then that is not that significant of a cost difference if they'll be plug and play w/this system.

 
Ride Safe
Fired00d
 

[Twolanerider]

The amp does not have the CX x-over internal. What it has in an electronic x-over built in. You would still need the CX external x-over. Since you already have them wired in you would just plug the amp in and be done.

He'd have to move the crossovers to the unamplified speaker outputs from the SEEG radio. 

[Fired00d]

The amp does not have the CX x-over internal. What it has in an electronic x-over built in. You would still need the CX external x-over. Since you already have them wired in you would just plug the amp in and be done.

This just answered my question I just posted.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[hd-dude]

He'd have to move the crossovers to the unamplified speaker outputs from the SEEG radio. 

Correct Don, Thanks for bringing this up. The SEEG has an overlay harness that the speakers are connected to. The non amplified speaker leads are "tapped" back on the harness and those are where you will need to connect the x-overs to. Or if you are using the SX speakers just find those leads and plug them in.

[Boatman]

I'm wanting to know are the CX plug and play w/this amp. For $50 more then that is not that significant of a cost difference if they'll be plug and play w/this system.

 
Ride Safe
Fired00d
 

I'll try to answer Gary.  The new amp on our bike is plug and play.  The SX speakers are plug and play.
I put in the CX speakers.  There is a supplied wire harness from the crossovers to the speakers.  At each of your old speakers there is a + and - wire.  You have to cut off the spade wire ends (that goes to your old speakers) and spice into the new speakers/crossovers wiring.
It is easy to do (I did it).  If you're spending this much money, get the CX speakers and be done with it.  Much better than HTunes with the stock amp (nothing bad against Pez of HT's).
Hope this helps, Bob

[SilverDawg]

Just spoke to Jim and orderd this system for "big red".  It is actually still down at the dealer, as I decided to get the inner fairing painted to match the rest of the bike.  If it gets here before the fairing gets back, the install will be even easier.  I'll just cruise down and plug it in  (assuming they let me in the shop

Thanks again Jim for the CVOHarley discount.

[LETS_ROLL]

Took the plunge.  Order my amp yesterday from HD Dude.  Hope to be rocking and rolling in no time.   Hey' Let's Roll

[110tHunDer]

 
Hey, LR, which speakers did you go with?  I canibalized the SEEG for the Hog Tunes speakers today and am going to put those in the SERG.  Now I have 2 empty holes in the SEEG and thought I would just do the Hawg Wired CX speakers and no amp, but now I'm thinking of doing the Direct Connect amp, the more simple, plug-and-play installation of the SX speakers.

Wish someone had switched from one to the other.  I would do the CX speakers if sound quality is noticeably better.  Just not sure what the deal is with this crossover I'd have to eliminate.

[LETS_ROLL]

Hey, LR, which speakers did you go with?  I canibalized the SEEG for the Hog Tunes speakers today and am going to put those in the SERG.  Now I have 2 empty holes in the SEEG and thought I would just do the Hawg Wired CX speakers and no amp, but now I'm thinking of doing the Direct Connect amp, the more simple, plug-and-play installation of the SX speakers.

Wish someone had switched from one to the other.  I would do the CX speakers if sound quality is noticeably better.  Just not sure what the deal is with this crossover I'd have to eliminate.

103, for right now I'm going with bt-504 they are also HW.  I had got them a few years back from HD dude.  He said they will work ok.  I'll see what that sounds like.  If I don't like the sound, then I'll probaly go with the CX since they are the best match for the amp. Let's Roll

[110tHunDer]

103, for right now I'm going with bt-504 they are also HW.  I had got them a few years back from HD dude.  He said they will work ok.  I'll see what that sounds like.  If I don't like the sound, then I'll probaly go with the CX since they are the best match for the amp. Let's Roll

OK, thanks.  I'm leaning toward the CX, too, just trying to figure out what's being said in a couple of posts in this thread :

He'd have to move the crossovers to the unamplified speaker outputs from the SEEG radio. 

Correct Don, Thanks for bringing this up. The SEEG has an overlay harness that the speakers are connected to. The non amplified speaker leads are "tapped" back on the harness and those are where you will need to connect the x-overs to. Or if you are using the SX speakers just find those leads and plug them in.

I'll try to answer Gary.  The new amp on our bike is plug and play.  The SX speakers are plug and play.
I put in the CX speakers.  There is a supplied wire harness from the crossovers to the speakers.  At each of your old speakers there is a + and - wire.  You have to cut off the spade wire ends (that goes to your old speakers) and spice into the new speakers/crossovers wiring.
It is easy to do (I did it).  If you're spending this much money, get the CX speakers and be done with it.  Much better than HTunes with the stock amp (nothing bad against Pez of HT's).
Hope this helps, Bob

I need pictures.

[Twolanerider]

OK, thanks.  I'm leaning toward the CX, too, just trying to figure out what's being said in a couple of posts in this thread :

I need pictures.

Probably not. Though I think I've got an illustration somewhere if you really need it.  Think of it like this.  Stock our speakers are plugged in to their speaker wires.  You'd need to unplug those wires from the speakers and just not use them anymore.  Tucked away up close to the speakers on each side is another set of speaker wires.  Use those.

No more difficult then that.

Reason for the change is the SEEG radios have a built in amp.  That amp feeds output via the speaker wires the SEEGs use stock.  Those speaker wires are accessory and are added as part of an extra harness that is only part of our radio package.

To use the extrernal amp you don't use the internal amp.  So you use the "original" speaker wires rather then the ones added as part of the SEEG radio package.

[110tHunDer]

 
Yep, that helps.  I'll have to wander out to the garage and look at the bike to see if I see these hidden speaker wires.  Now, the reason these CX speakers require splicing is what?  They don't have the right spades on them?

[Twolanerider]

Yep, that helps.  I'll have to wander out to the garage and look at the bike to see if I see these hidden speaker wires.  Now, the reason these CX speakers require splicing is what?  They don't have the right spades on them?

Yeap, that's it.


Find that thread of my Harmon Kardon radio install.  Pretty sure there was an image there showed the "other" set of speaker wires that need to be used. 

[hd-dude]

Yep, that helps.  I'll have to wander out to the garage and look at the bike to see if I see these hidden speaker wires.  Now, the reason these CX speakers require splicing is what?  They don't have the right spades on them?

Brian;
The CX x-overs have bare leads on them. You could get some insulated mae spade lugs and crimp them onto the CX leads. This would allow you not to cut the factory female lugs off the harness. I can probably set these up for you before shipping if you want.....

[110tHunDer]

Yeap, that's it.


Find that thread of my Harmon Kardon radio install.  Pretty sure there was an image there showed the "other" set of speaker wires that need to be used. 

Alright, I found those little bastages up in there, tie wrapped to the harness.  I was going to come back and post that I'm not sure how excited I could get myself about cutting the terminals off, but I see Jim has already answered that concern.

[Twolanerider]

Brian;
The CX x-overs have bare leads on them. You could get some insulated mae spade lugs and crimp them onto the CX leads. This would allow you not to cut the factory female lugs off the harness. I can probably set these up for you before shipping if you want.....

Funny.  I'm pretty sure that's what I did.  Makes sense anyway.  But all I remembered for sure was that they were different.  Too many chores between then and now .

[LETS_ROLL]

Brian;
The CX x-overs have bare leads on them. You could get some insulated mae spade lugs and crimp them onto the CX leads. This would allow you not to cut the factory female lugs off the harness. I can probably set these up for you before shipping if you want.....

Jim, so I have BT 504 right now on the SEEG.  When I installed them I had to cut the stock ends of my speaker wires and splice the connectors to get the 504's to work.  So when I get the amp, I need to tuck those wires in and find the other wires that are not been used right now and hook those up to the speakers.  (I imagine I have to redo the ends on those wires also).  gabe

[hd-dude]

Jim, so I have BT 504 right now on the SEEG.  When I installed them I had to cut the stock ends of my speaker wires and splice the connectors to get the 504's to work.  So when I get the amp, I need to tuck those wires in and find the other wires that are not been used right now and hook those up to the speakers.  (I imagine I have to redo the ends on those wires also).  gabe

That is correct Gabe, If memory serves me correctly you purchased the 504's quite a while back, At that time they had leads on them so you would have had to splice them in. Currently the 504's as well as the SX speakers have the same spade lugs as stock speakers so no splicing is required.

[LETS_ROLL]

That is correct Gabe, If memory serves me correctly you purchased the 504's quite a while back, At that time they had leads on them so you would have had to splice them in. Currently the 504's as well as the SX speakers have the same spade lugs as stock speakers so no splicing is required.

So again where are these wires that I have to look for?  Are they specific # or color that I should look for.  gabe

[110tHunDer]

So again where are these wires that I have to look for?  Are they specific # or color that I should look for.  gabe

Gabe, I've got the fairing off of mine.  If you can wait until tomorrow night, I'll shoot some photos of where they're at and post them for you.  If not, they are wire tied to the harness, just to inside of the speakers on each side.  Just look for the plastic covered female spade ends . . . you'll see 'em.

[LETS_ROLL]

Gabe, I've got the fairing off of mine.  If you can wait until tomorrow night, I'll shoot some photos of where they're at and post them for you.  If not, they are wire tied to the harness, just to inside of the speakers on each side.  Just look for the plastic covered female spade ends . . . you'll see 'em.

That's great service my friend.  That is like painting by numbers, my favorite.  Of corse I can wait my amp is still on it's way.  Thanks in advance.  Let's Roll

[Twolanerider]

From the Harmon Kardon radio retrofit thread:

[Chief]

From the Harmon Kardon radio retrofit thread:

I realize this is old and not related to anything that would actually impact me, but the 04 and 05 SEEGs had a separate amp? Interesting. Where did they hide it? Not under the TP like they stick the HK amp was it? I didn't know about that. You learn something new everyday.

[Twolanerider]

Physically separate from the radio; no.  The SEEGs use a different radio with a 60 watt amp built in to it.

Requires a separate (second) overlay harness to power that side of the radio and carry its output.  It's a radio that is in the accessory catalog for a silly amount of money.  It is also specifically only a front channel output from that amp.  No rears from it.

[LETS_ROLL]

That is correct Gabe, If memory serves me correctly you purchased the 504's quite a while back, At that time they had leads on them so you would have had to splice them in. Currently the 504's as well as the SX speakers have the same spade lugs as stock speakers so no splicing is required.

jim, I've also asked you about fitment on an 08' Road glide.  would the same apply to that set up.  What I mean is, that the RG would also have a separate set of leads for the speakers?  A friend of mine is thinking about purchasing the amp and a set of speakers for his 08' RG that's why all the ??.  Laaaaaaaaater,  Let's Roll

[REGGAB]

Interesting.

[Twolanerider]

Interesting.

Had to stop and think for a moment to remember which speakers were in it when that was done.  That was the HogTunes from Pez.  Audioimports .

[110tHunDer]

Had to stop and think for a moment to remember which speakers were in it when that was done.  That was the HogTunes from Pez.  Audioimports .

Wonder where are the Hawg Wired's made?

Just placed the order with Jim for the Direct Connect and CX speakers tonight.  Not sure how good my sonic memory will be regarding how the Hog Tunes with stock amp sounded, but hoping to be impressed with the new system once I get it installed next weekend or so.  Thanks, Jim!

With the Hog Tunes now transferred to the SERG, that should wake that system up, too.  Now to dig out the ol' cassette deck and dub some tunes the old-school way!

[Twolanerider]

Wonder where are the Hawg Wired's made?

Just placed the order with Jim for the Direct Connect and CX speakers tonight.  Not sure how good my sonic memory will be regarding how the Hog Tunes with stock amp sounded, but hoping to be impressed with the new system once I get it installed next weekend or so.  Thanks, Jim!

With the Hog Tunes now transferred to the SERG, that should wake that system up, too.  Now to dig out the ol' cassette deck and dub some tunes the old-school way!

The biggest difference for the component speakers to my ears wasn't any overall gain in volume compared to their other product.  There was a little; but not a great deal.   Compared to stockers it'd be tremendous though.

The biggest difference was overll clarity.  You actually hear things that just weren't there before. 

[hd-dude]

jim, I've also asked you about fitment on an 08' Road glide.  would the same apply to that set up.  What I mean is, that the RG would also have a separate set of leads for the speakers?  A friend of mine is thinking about purchasing the amp and a set of speakers for his 08' RG that's why all the ??.  Laaaaaaaaater,  Let's Roll

Gabe;
The RG will only have the single set of leads to worry about. It wil be complete pkug and play with the DCS amp and SX series speakers

[hd-dude]

Wonder where are the Hawg Wired's made?

Just placed the order with Jim for the Direct Connect and CX speakers tonight.  Not sure how good my sonic memory will be regarding how the Hog Tunes with stock amp sounded, but hoping to be impressed with the new system once I get it installed next weekend or so.  Thanks, Jim!

With the Hog Tunes now transferred to the SERG, that should wake that system up, too.  Now to dig out the ol' cassette deck and dub some tunes the old-school way!

Thanks for the order Brian!

The HW speakers are assembled overseas but they are designed here. The amplifiers are made here in the US, In the SF Bay Area.

Cassette Deck? What is that? 

(I actually still have an 8-track)

[LETS_ROLL]

Jim, Got my amp yesterday, will install tomorrow.  Going to put in in a friends 08' Road Glide first to let him hear it.  So you might get a call for another order.  Laaaaater,  Let's Roll

[hd-dude]

Jim, Got my amp yesterday, will install tomorrow.  Going to put in in a friends 08' Road Glide first to let him hear it.  So you might get a call for another order.  Laaaaater,  Let's Roll

Gabe;
Thanks, I got your message late, call me back anytime

[LETS_ROLL]

Well, I installed my amp on Saturday and it's very nice.  Very simple straight foward.  In the garage it was almost to loud, but is alaways to lound in the garage.  So I got out on the road for a bit and i could really tell the difference.  The sound is much clearer and crisper.  That is also runnig the older HW BT-504 speakers, really should sound "most excellent" with the newer sx or cx speakers.  I even installed it on a friends 08' Road Glide before I put it in mine and HD stock speakers never sounded so nice.  So my friend has started to save some $$ for his upgrade.  One thing I learn and advice for the next person to do the install. Disclaimer, this is on my 05' SEEG, so I magine is the same on and 04' SEEG.  Don't know about the 06' and up. 

     The location on the amp is.  All the way back almost touching your gages on top of your existing radio.  That means that you have to make it fit in between the radio and the big fat wire loom that runs on top of your radio.  First I just put as far back on top of the radio against the wire loom. NOT FAR ENOUGH, the faring would hit.  And yes if I would of pay close attention to HD Dudes pics. on the first page, that 's exactly how he did it.  Under the loom.  I had to pull one of the loom anchors out and presto Nice and tight under there. 

I do have a pop that sounds when you turn off the bike, like the amp is powering down.  It didn't do it on my friends 08' RG, so I called Jim and he's going to call HW and take care of it.  Sorry for the long read.   Laaaaaaaaater,   Let's Roll



 

[LETS_ROLL]

Update.  HD Dude contacted HW and a new amp is on the way.  Excellent customer service, class act.  Wish all businesses operated like that.   Laaater,  Let's Roll

[110tHunDer]

 
L_R, thanks for posting about your install and the need to mount the amp under the wire loom.  I could have seen myself getting pretty frustrated this weekend without that piece of advice.

[LETS_ROLL]

L_R, thanks for posting about your install and the need to mount the amp under the wire loom.  I could have seen myself getting pretty frustrated this weekend without that piece of advice.

Live & learn.  I'm sure if you would of got to it first and had some difficulties you would passed it along.  This was my turn.  Let's Roll

[110tHunDer]

. . .

I do have a pop that sounds when you turn off the bike, like the amp is powering down.  It didn't do it on my friends 08' RG, so I called Jim and he's going to call HW and take care of it.  Sorry for the long read.   Laaaaaaaaater,   Let's Roll

Poop.  I've got that on mine, too.  Wonder if it somehow has anything to do with the CVO head unit?   Let us know if your replacement amp does it, too.

[Hoist!]

Poop.  I've got that on mine, too.  Wonder if it somehow has anything to do with the CVO head unit?   Let us know if your replacement amp does it, too.

I don't think I'd worry about a pop when turning on and off. Many excellent amps will do that. My home unit does it, and so does my Miata, even with the volume off. I think it's common for a remote amp turning on. Any noise during operation? Buzzing, feedback, humming, popping, etc? Then I wouldn't worry about it.

They look like nice speakers. Too bad they didn't have them in 6-1/2"!

Hoist!

[110tHunDer]

I don't think I'd worry about a pop when turning on and off. Many excellent amps will do that. My home unit does it, and so does my Miata, even with the volume off. I think it's common for a remote amp turning on. Any noise during operation? Buzzing, feedback, humming, popping, etc? Then I wouldn't worry about it.

They look like nice speakers. Too bad they didn't have them in 6-1/2"!

Hoist!

Yeah, this does it whether the head unit's on or not.  There is some buzzing that you hear in between songs on the MP3 player that increases/decreases with the volume setting, but it could be distortion coming from it, not the amp.  No doubt a running motor will make it totally go away.  Need to try a CD, haven't yet.  Radio sounds pretty clean, though.

The amp has really got some kick!  I can tell that already, just in the garage.  Whoever on here said that going to the Hawg Wired amp and speakers from the Hog Tunes speakers was about the same leap as going to Hog Tunes from the stock speakers was right on.  The clarity of these speakers in the vocal range (where our ears are the most sensitive) is amazing.  It sounds like Toby Keith and Martina McBride are in my garage!   I was skeptical about spending the $500 or $600 premimum over a replacement set of Hog Tunes speakers when I cannibalized them from the SEEG to give to the SERG a couple of weeks ago, but in yet another case of "you get what you pay for," now I'm already wondering how long the Hog Tunes can possibly last in the SERG now that I've got the Hawg Wired system in the SEEG.

[Twolanerider]

Yeah, this does it whether the head unit's on or not.  There is some buzzing that you hear in between songs on the MP3 player that increases/decreases with the volume setting, but it could be distortion coming from it, not the amp.  No doubt a running motor will make it totally go away.  Need to try a CD, haven't yet.  Radio sounds pretty clean, though.

The amp has really got some kick!  I can tell that already, just in the garage.  Whoever on here said that going to the Hawg Wired amp and speakers from the Hog Tunes speakers was about the same leap as going to Hog Tunes from the stock speakers was right on.  The clarity of these speakers in the vocal range (where our ears are the most sensitive) is amazing.  It sounds like Toby Keith and Martina McBride are in my garage!   I was skeptical about spending the $500 or $600 premimum over a replacement set of Hog Tunes speakers when I cannibalized them from the SEEG to give to the SERG a couple of weeks ago, but in yet another case of "you get what you pay for," now I'm already wondering how long the Hog Tunes can possibly last in the SERG now that I've got the Hawg Wired system in the SEEG.

Sounds like you've had the same impression I did when going through all the incremental steps.  It's a nice setup.  Crank it up and enjoy.

[Boatman]

The Hogtunes are very good over stock.  The HWired is just plan great over the former.  It's hard to justify spending so much money, but when the HW works as advertised, it's worth it.

[110tHunDer]

 
Hey, Bob, you have the Direct Connect amp, right?  Do you have any popping with your when you turn the ignition off?  It's pretty loud on this one and just hope it's not doing any damage to the speakers.

[Boatman]

Hey, Bob, you have the Direct Connect amp, right?  Do you have any popping with your when you turn the ignition off?  It's pretty loud on this one and just hope it's not doing any damage to the speakers.

Yes, I have the CX speakers and the direct connect amp..  I don't have the noise you have.  I didn't have any AM radio and had a little noise in the radio when I had my bixenon ballast laying on the radio last year.  Everything was fine when I moved it.  Too bad it's a weekend and have to wait until HW opens.  I know Jim will get it straightened out with HW..  Just a pain to do everything twice.

You remembered to use the speaker wires you had to find tied up under the fairing to bypass the internal radio amp?

Other than that, I don't know what the problem is Brian.  Good luck and let us know what it was.  Bob

[110tHunDer]

 
Thanks, Bob.  Yeah, I hooked the speakers up to the stock leads to make sure they worked, first, but then tied those up and out of the way and used the other set of leads after I insalled and connected the DC amp.  I'll wait and see what Lets_Roll comes up with when he switches his out.  Swapping the amp is no biggie, so if that takes care of his I'll see if I can do the same.

[LETS_ROLL]

Ok guys, here is the problem. For the 04-05 Seeg we need to unplug the white plug behind the radio.  To the right as you're looking at it w/ the fairing removed.  That is the power supply to the amp that's on the bikes allready, (that we're not using anymore) so the amp is powering down and it comes thru.  Unplug it and tie it up out of the way.  Did it after HD Dude sent me another amp and it still did the same thing.  Called the Dude and after a few minutes he figured it out.  So the amps are good.  Try that and see what happens.  Laaaaaaaaaater,  Let's Roll

pic. is of the plug that needs to be disconnected

[110tHunDer]

 

Ok guys, here is the problem. For the 04-05 Seeg we need to unplug the white plug behind the radio.  To the right as you're looking at it w/ the fairing removed.  That is the power supply to the amp that's on the bikes allready, (that we're not using anymore) so the amp is powering down and it comes thru.  Unplug it and tie it up out of the way.  Did it after HD Dude sent me another amp and it still did the same thing.  Called the Dude and after a few minutes he figured it out.  So the amps are good.  Try that and see what happens.  Laaaaaaaaaater,  Let's Roll

pic. is of the plug that needs to be disconnected

D@mn, that easy, huh?

Be a couple weeks before I can try it, but nice to know it's an easy fix.

[hd-dude]

Damn Gabe; you beat me to the report
Glad I got it figured out, Good pic on the plug that needs to be removed. The radio does not need as it powers the added internal amp that the SEEG's have. Probably just saved an amp or two of current fdraw as well

[LETS_ROLL]

Damn Gabe; you beat me to the report
Glad I got it figured out, Good pic on the plug that needs to be removed. The radio does not need as it powers the added internal amp that the SEEG's have. Probably just saved an amp or two of current fdraw as well

I wanted the guys to hear it from the customer, to let them know what we all know about you and your service.  Great shop and customer support.  Thanks again,  Let's Roll

[hd-dude]

I wanted the guys to hear it from the customer, to let them know what we all know about you and your service.  Great shop and customer support.  Thanks again,  Let's Roll

Thanks Gabe, without customers I would not be in the biz, Gotta keep them happy

PS; Hawg-wired will be modifiing the install manual for the SE bikes accordingly

[Boatman]

Happy you fellows have it figured out.

I turn my radio off before turning off the ignition and never start the bike with the radio on (same way with a car or p/u truck).  I assume this is why I have never heard the pop/crack?      Will try shutting off the ignition with radio on and see what happens.

Either way, it looks like the RH plug needs to be unhooked from the radio the next time the fairing is off.

[LETS_ROLL]

Happy you fellows have it figured out.

I turn my radio off before turning off the ignition and never start the bike with the radio on (same way with a car or p/u truck).  I assume this is why I have never heard the pop/crack?      Will try shutting off the ignition with radio on and see what happens.

Either way, it looks like the RH plug needs to be unhooked from the radio the next time the fairing is off.

Mine did it no matter how I turn it off, radio on or off.  Not no more.  I think the reason is
obvious, the  have more power and it has to release it somehow.   Let's Roll

[Boatman]

Not no more.  I think the reason is
obvious, the  have more power and it has to release it somehow.   Let's Roll

 

[04se103]

Got my Hawg Wired Direct Connect System yesterday put it in today took about one hour to do. Very easy to install with all the info on this site. Jim was very helpful also with the install great guy to do business with. All i can say is my pumpkin is thumpin.    

[Cvostu]

i installed mine just the other day, and so far it seems really good..  lots of volume and no distortion,,, weather looks good here today, so i'll put it to the test,,,,install was so easy!!

[Cvostu]

about that "pop" when you turn it off, one of the guys i spoke with told me to unplug the connector on the right hand side of the radio that powers the internal amplifier and runs the speakers. so i did that and taped off that inlet with a piece if duct tape.   it was easy locating the wires that were tied back for the speaker connections , and there's no "POP"at all..    Try that...they did say that if i left that plugged in there, that the new amp would not come on and i wouldn't get the benefit of the new added power....

[LETS_ROLL]

about that "pop" when you turn it off, one of the guys i spoke with told me to unplug the connector on the right hand side of the radio that powers the internal amplifier and runs the speakers. so i did that and taped off that inlet with a piece if duct tape.   it was easy locating the wires that were tied back for the speaker connections , and there's no "POP"at all..    Try that...they did say that if i left that plugged in there, that the new amp would not come on and i wouldn't get the benefit of the new added power....

Yeah that's the answer for the04 -05 SEEG's.  We talked about it on the other thread.  Glad is working.   Let's Roll

[Boatman]

I installed the plug n play amp this past winter and never had the amp popping noise when powering on/off even though my amp plug was still plugged into the radio as the instructions said nothing of unplugging it.  At the time of the install I found the 2nd set of speaker leads from the non amp powered side of the radio and hooked them up as instructed.

I have been happy with the sound.  Last night the outer fairing was off for the 1st time since the amp install and Jim told me by phone to unplug the amp connector from the radio even though I had no pop noise.

Now my sound is quite a bit more substantial.  I have no idea if the radio amp was still being used or somehow the output of the HW amp was restricted when the amp plug was still plugged into the radio.  Either way, I can't imagine having the 150W amp that some people have.  Thanks Jim. 

[SBB]

Thanks Jim!


Just finished the installation of the Hawg wired 150 watt system in the Silver and Black Classic.

I fought installing that system for a long time because I had the Harley "enhanced" system with amp on the bike.

I installed the 150 watt Hawg Wired in Nancy's bike about 6 months ago and her sound was better half way up than the Harley system wide open.

The amp on my Classic went bad and that was all the excuse I needed to upgrade.

We are now a three Hawg Wired family.

Both 03's have the 150 watt system and the SERG has the 120 watt system.

Thanks Jim for selling such quality equipment.


SBB

[hd-dude]

Chip, Glad you got er' done and are once again happy with the results

[SBB]

I know people get tired of hearing how good the Hawg Wired system is but,
I have to add more.


Took the 03 Classic out tonight for some exercise.
Set on 100 mph the stereo is crystal clear and loud.
It is worlds better than the enhanced Harley system.
Installation took about two hours and is very easy.
I recommend this system to anyone that wants to upgrade to quality sound at a reasonable price.
Again, thanks Jim!

 

[Fired00d]

I know people get tired of hearing how good the Hawg Wired system is but,
I have to add more.


Took the 03 Classic out tonight for some exercise.
Set on 100 mph the stereo is crystal clear and loud.
It is worlds better than the enhanced Harley system.
Installation took about two hours and is very easy.
I recommend this system to anyone that wants to upgrade to quality sound at a reasonable price.
Again, thanks Jim!

 

I don't want one.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[Rooster]

I don't want one.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

But all that red inside the fairing makes your bike faster I heard.

[Fired00d]

But all that red inside the fairing makes your bike faster I heard.

It's not about the color.... it's all about the strategy. Chip will understand.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[Rooster]

The sound quality is much better 

[Twolanerider]

Jim, a friend here has had the red bike for a couple of days while his was down.  He's come away a believer in the audio and will likely buy this "Direct Connect" variant.  Post back a current price please and I'll let him know.

[hd-dude]

Jim, a friend here has had the red bike for a couple of days while his was down.  He's come away a believer in the audio and will likely buy this "Direct Connect" variant.  Post back a current price please and I'll let him know.

Don,
The amp retails at 499.95, SX speakers are 179.95 10% off these prices.

As an alternate you can get the CX speakers which are a tad better as they are components. These retail at 229.95. With the CX series you will have to cut your factory female spades off and solder or crimp the CX crossover wires to them.

[Twolanerider]

Don,
The amp retails at 499.95, SX speakers are 179.95 10% off these prices.

As an alternate you can get the CX speakers which are a tad better as they are components. These retail at 229.95. With the CX series you will have to cut your factory female spades off and solder or crimp the CX crossover wires to them.

Will pass the data along Jim.  If you get a call from Walter in Joplin that's the buy.  Having the red bike for a couple of days left him Jonesing for at least cams and the audio.  Doubt his Mrs. will let him do both at the same time though .

[hd-dude]

Will pass the data along Jim.  If you get a call from Walter in Joplin that's the buy.  Having the red bike for a couple of days left him Jonesing for at least cams and the audio.  Doubt his Mrs. will let him do both at the same time though .

Thanks Don

[Johnny80s]

To everyone...thanks for spending my money!  After seeing the feedback on the Hawg Wired system, I bent Jim's ear for a bit on the phone today and took the plunge on the Four in the Face System. Thanks Jim for the advice and I will report back with results.

[hd-dude]

To everyone...thanks for spending my money!  After seeing the feedback on the Hawg Wired system, I bent Jim's ear for a bit on the phone today and took the plunge on the Four in the Face System. Thanks Jim for the advice and I will report back with results.

Thanks for the order! Give me a call with any install questions

[SBB]

Wanted to add one more thing here.

I love my 03 Classic, even more now with the Hawg Wired.

Before the Hawg Wired install Nancy and I took it on a trip.

We both noticed the fairing shaking more that we were use to and at idle it was real noticeable.

Taking everything apart for the Hawg Wild install I realized why.

The two brackets that support the top half of the fairing were broken.

I made two angle brackets to replace them and all is well.

So if your getting lots of shake out of your fairing check those brackets.

I would bet one if not both are broke.

 

[Cvostu]

i had one the brackets inside break off as well...nice that the fix was quick, easy and inexpensive,,,,   funny how clever we can get when we have to,,,

[Johnny80s]

Jim, Thanks for the system...It sounds great!  Went with the four channel system.  Install was straight forward.  Only snag was length of cable had to be added for the crossover for the speakers in the lowers.  Had a question about removing the speaker support brackets.  What effect will it have on my batwing?  They had to be removed based on the speakers and the placement of the amps.  Boy is there alot of stuff under that batwing now. Clarity is fantastic.

[Boatman]

Had a question about removing the speaker support brackets.  What effect will it have on my batwing?  They had to be removed based on the speakers and the placement of the amps. 

The next time you have the fairing off, I would reinstall the metal braces.  They can be easily be bent/tweaked using a pair of channel locks and pliers.  If you do a search, several people including 2Lanerider (Don) has pictures of the HW speakers and amps attached to them (brackets). 

Read 3 posts above by Silver/Black (Chip) on broken braces. 

[Johnny80s]

Allright chime in here....can someone help me out with photos of the cx speakers, the 4 channel amps, and the speaker support bracket mounted.  I searched for an hour and half and could not find any.  Thanks