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[FNGw/08SERK]

I should rephrase that statement, and apologize for being so blunt.

That GW is not the brightest bulb in the box is not a partisan opinion, and neither is his lack of fully understanding all facets of any given problem.

In my opinion, a good leader, even if they are not the most intelligent being on the planet, should surround him/herself with people/advisers who bring different perspectives to the table, regardless of political affiliation, and actually listen to what they have to say...not blow them off just because their opinions/advice do not fit with their point of view.  They might actually offer up a reasonable argument contrary to his/her preconceived notions.

As I have stated previously, very, very few issues facing the country (the world, for that matter) stand in a vacuum...almost every action taken has a ripple effect, and until all those ripples have been examined and weighed, it is better to take no action at all.  As I've also said, there absolutely are no simple solutions to very complex problems.  This country has not been appointed by anyone to be "King of The Planet"...there is always room for reasonable differences in thought...there are truths to be found in all.  Last time I looked, there were no absolutes...

Terry these two statements seem to be contradictory. "What the US can do, and should do, is provide leadership to the rest of the world in all things...that puts pressure on other countries to make better policy". This one is from your post #50. Unless I lost it's meaning from a context standpoint the two leave me confused on your position. Would you mind to clarify.

By the way this is not an attack on Terry, just merely two friends discussing points of view. I've never met you Terry and I must say that we do differ greatly on SOME of these matters but I still look forward to us sitting down over a cold one. And I personally think that it's the sharing of ideas that make us wiser. It's important to keep this in context for me! 

[spydglide]

WE the people seem to assume very little individual personal responsibility.

well.......we are all part of the 'me' culture, aren't we?  I think the last 'war' this country got involved with that in which most of the citizens actually sacrificed more than 'lip service' was WWII.  Lots of analogies between the way that war and the current war got started......but seems to end with the degree of support the citizens engaged in........It's as if now that we're part of a world economy instead of a country economy, it's as if what is good for the individual is more important than what's good for the country.  More Corporate profits by shipping our jobs to whereever.....the same as allowing 'illegals' to perform our jobs in-country at less costs for increased profits even though breaking laws and pressuring  our tax-supported systems to the point of breaking.  Hmmmm.  Maybe we're electing officials that give us just what were wanting???    spyder

[FNGw/08SERK]

well.......we are all part of the 'me' culture, aren't we?  I think the last 'war' this country got involved with that in which most of the citizens actually sacrificed more than 'lip service' was WWII.  Lots of analogies between the way that war and the current war got started......but seems to end with the degree of support the citizens engaged in........It's as if now that we're part of a world economy instead of a country economy, it's as if what is good for the individual is more important than what's good for the country.  More Corporate profits by shipping our jobs to whereever.....the same as allowing 'illegals' to perform our jobs in-country at less costs for increased profits even though breaking laws and pressuring  our tax-supported systems to the point of breaking.  Hmmmm.  Maybe we're electing officials that give us just what were wanting???    spyder

Ya know Spydy I have given much thought to the question about the government using tax revenue vs war bonds for our war efforts. Seems to me using the tax revenue removes all personal accountability unless you have a loved one thats served or serving!! Just my .02

[Twolanerider]

Little listening is being done among all the talking.  So no one will notice this:


I have a rash, on my butt.

On one cheek it looks kind of like an elephant.

On the other it looks a lot like a donkey .

[spydglide]

Little listening is being done among all the talking.  So no one will notice this:


I have a rash, on my butt.

On one cheek it looks kind of like an elephant.

On the other it looks a lot like a donkey .

well, I see the discussion has taken a 'tail-wind'.  har!   spyder

[ccr]

well, I see the discussion has taken a 'tail-wind'.  har!   spyder

 
 

Jackass?  Maybe? 

[Twolanerider]

I have a rash, on my butt.

On one cheek it looks kind of like an elephant.

On the other it looks a lot like a donkey .

[ccr]

Hey that is your tail wind you are asking for pictures of buddy

 

[Twolanerider]

Hey that is your tail wind you are asking for pictures of buddy

 

Quit making me laugh dammit .  Ooops, sorry, you're name isn't dammit .

[SPIDERMAN]

Don,
      You win the Hoist Most Shameless Example of Post Count Boosting Award, for the day (perhaps the week) for quoting yourself

That's lame even for an admitted self agrandizer like you

B B

[Midnight Rider]

Terry these two statements seem to be contradictory. "What the US can do, and should do, is provide leadership to the rest of the world in all things...that puts pressure on other countries to make better policy". This one is from your post #50. Unless I lost it's meaning from a context standpoint the two leave me confused on your position. Would you mind to clarify.

By the way this is not an attack on Terry, just merely two friends discussing points of view. I've never met you Terry and I must say that we do differ greatly on SOME of these matters but I still look forward to us sitting down over a cold one. And I personally think that it's the sharing of ideas that make us wiser. It's important to keep this in context for me! 

One was an abstraction of our position as a country,and the other more literal.   The days of forcing our principles of government, religion, etc are long gone.  It is my opinion that good leadership, no matter the context, is best done by by example....good examples.

I am certain we could sit down and have a beer or three together and be friends, and hope that opportunity presents itself at some point in time..

[Midnight Rider]

Hey that is your tail wind you are asking for pictures of buddy

 

As much as I think of Don, please do not give me a visual any worse than the one already in mind...

[SBB]

Don,
      You win the Hoist Most Shameless Example of Post Count Boosting Award, for the day (perhaps the week) for quoting yourself

That's lame even for an admitted self agrandizer like you

B B

What does "agrandizer" mean?
Was gonna google it but was scared what the answer would be!

         

[Hoist!]

Ag´gran`di`zer
n. 1. One who aggrandizes, or makes great.

Aggrandize:
1.To increase the scope of; extend.
2.To make greater in power, influence, stature, or reputation.
3.To make appear greater; exaggerate: aggrandize one argument while belittling another

And why the hell not!!!

Hoist!

[Twolanerider]

Don,
      You win the Hoist Most Shameless Example of Post Count Boosting Award, for the day (perhaps the week) for quoting yourself

That's lame even for an admitted self agrandizer like you

B B

Thankyewveramuch.