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The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« on: January 30, 2008, 06:53:33 PM »

They are dropping like flies!

McCain, Obama, Clinton is what's left!

Except for McCain there's not much left to vote for!

Guess it's time to buy more guns.

What are we going to do?

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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2008, 07:27:04 PM »

Your choice is as follows , Osama,  Billary or McCAin or Not voting at all, It's your Choice.

I support McCain for the reason He is the right person to finish the War on Terror, He will BOMB anyone first without seeking approval of a commitee or in fear of any polls dropping and because we now control the air space over Iraq we can allow any nation to fly over and BOMB IRAN nukes if it's needed.

Mitt and Huck and Ron Paul are History and will no longer be a choice.
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2008, 08:14:43 PM »

Thats right Chipster was at the gun show Sat looking for an AR15 and a few thousand rounds  you can never have too many guns.....
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2008, 06:19:48 AM »

Edwards dropped out and has not announced his decision on who to endorse yet.  I guess he must decide on which he wants to be perceived, a racist or a sexist......  :nixweiss:
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2008, 06:25:51 AM »

Edwards dropped out and has not announced his decision on who to endorse yet.  I guess he must decide on which he wants to be perceived, a racist or a sexist......  :nixweiss:

Depending on who he endorses might be called worse than that.
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2008, 07:51:08 AM »

Edwards dropped out and has not announced his decision on who to endorse yet.  I guess he must decide on which he wants to be perceived, a racist or a sexist......  :nixweiss:

Good thought!
It's a no win situation for him.

And us also!

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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2008, 08:36:09 AM »


At the risk of being thought of as an optimist (god forbid!), I still think any of the remaining choices beats the hell out of what we've had to put up with for the past seven years.  It is my belief that Gee Dubya will go down in history as one of the top 5 worst presidents in history.  After surviving him, we can deal with anyone the parties serve up.  Personally, I'm planning a write-in campaign for my dog.

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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2008, 09:32:13 AM »

At the risk of being thought of as an optimist (god forbid!), I still think any of the remaining choices beats the hell out of what we've had to put up with for the past seven years.  It is my belief that Gee Dubya will go down in history as one of the top 5 worst presidents in history.  After surviving him, we can deal with anyone the parties serve up.  Personally, I'm planning a write-in campaign for my dog.

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OK, what's your dog's name? Can we get a campaign poster/pic?   :nixweiss: har!   :huepfenlol2: :drink:spyder
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2008, 09:42:07 AM »

OK, what's your dog's name? Can we get a campaign poster/pic?   :nixweiss: har!   :huepfenlol2: :drink:spyder

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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2008, 09:48:24 AM »

Edwards dropped out and has not announced his decision on who to endorse yet.  I guess he must decide on which he wants to be perceived, a racist or a sexist......  :nixweiss:

Safe bet, he crosses party lines and endorses McCain.  Worse thing he can be called then is a turncoat.  And in this PC world where everyone has such thin skin now, being labeled a turncoat is not enough grounds for NOW to go after you or for Al Sharpton to call for your dismissal.   ::)

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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2008, 11:42:03 AM »

Edwards dropped out and has not announced his decision on who to endorse yet.  I guess he must decide on which he wants to be perceived, a racist or a sexist......  :nixweiss:

Edwards is waiting for the phone call from McCain asking him to be his VP.
I would not be shocked if this really happens.
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2008, 12:57:03 PM »

Is Mitt really out of this?  :confused5: I'm not sure he realizes it yet.  :-[ har!  :drink: spyder
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2008, 01:03:53 PM »

Mitt-Chit! NO MORE POLITICS!!! :P :D ;)

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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2008, 06:40:24 PM »

I need advice from my CVO buddies. There isn't a single candidate that I want to vote for.

McCain- - -An incredible war hero deserving of all the respect this country can give him for his service and sacrifice, but lightyears from what we need for President. 
Mitt- - - - I'll vote for a Morman (how about Donny and Marie ?)
Obama- - -I'll vote for a black man for President, but not this one (Colin Powell your country needs you) 
Hillary-- - -I'll vote for a woman (is she really ? )  but not this one

Shows how stupid I am, a year ago, I actually thought we might get a Biden against Guiliani election 

My wife says I have to pick someone or I'm copping out on my duty as a citizen. I HATE, no DISPISE the idea of voting for the one I dislike the least. How about I don't vote and I promise not to complain no matter who gets elected ?

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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2008, 06:42:52 PM »

I need advice from my CVO buddies. There isn't a single candidate that I want to vote for.

McCain- - -An incredible war hero deserving of all the respect this country can give him for his service and sacrifice, but lightyears from what we need for President. 
Mitt- - - - I'll vote for a Morman (how about Donny and Marie ?)
Obama- - -I'll vote for a black man for President, but not this one (Colin Powell your country needs you) 
Hillary-- - -I'll vote for a woman (is she really ? )  but not this one

Shows how stupid I am, a year ago, I actually thought we might get a Biden against Guiliani election 

My wife says I have to pick someone or I'm copping out on my duty as a citizen. I HATE, no DISPISE the idea of voting for the one I dislike the least. How about I don't vote and I promise not to complain no matter who gets elected ?

B B

Every year a significant amount of people write in Pee Wee Herman. Hell one of these years he might do it. Seems kinda wrong though.
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2008, 06:50:41 PM »

How bout we write in Twolane ?

He looks like the President in Escape from New York

or was Escape from LA ?  Well one of em for sure and I mean he looks Presidential and all and that's why people elected Dubya and why 28% of the American public still hasn't figured out they got snookered. We could all be Don's men - - - you know, All the President's Men - - ok, well we'd have to have a few of the President's Women to for Candy and Diva and Binx and some of the other FSR's and BSR's. Hey, I just thought of something most likely beyond the pale, but hey since when do I give a chit. Do we have any Male BSR's ????? If not, doesn't that make us kinda sexist or something ?

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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2008, 07:06:06 PM »

Bring back Gary C. !!! :2vrolijk_21:  :2vrolijk_21:  :orange: :bananarock: :apple:
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Re: IMAGINE THIS SCENARIO
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2008, 07:08:45 PM »


1. Hillary wins the Democratic Party nomination for President of the United States
 
2. Naturally, she wants to choose as her running mate someone with a lot of knowledge and experience in government and foreign affairs, someone who is a seasoned campaigner who could bring a lot of strength to the ticket. Who better than Bill, her husband?!!!
 
3. Hill and Bill go on to win the election in November and the Democrats maintain control of the House and the Senate.
 
4. Hillary is sworn in as President on January 20, 2009. The next day, after all the inauguration parties are over, she calls a press conference to make an announcement: she is resigning as President!!!  Bill, as the Vice President, immediately becomes President!!! This is all perfectly legal under the 22nd Amendment to the Constitution, for it states that "no person may be elected as President more than twice".  Bill is not being elected for
a third term but is merely serving out the remainder of Hillary's term---all 4 years of it.
 
5. But wait! There's more!  The following day Bill calls a press conference to make an announcement. He has chosen someone to fill the now-vacant office of Vice President. Guess who he picks? Why, Hillary, of course!!! And she would still be able to run for President again!!!

The ultimate nightmare...... :nixweiss:

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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2008, 09:26:40 PM »


How bout we write in Twolane ?


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Re: IMAGINE THIS SCENARIO
« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2008, 09:35:06 PM »

1. Hillary wins the Democratic Party nomination for President of the United States
 
2. Naturally, she wants to choose as her running mate someone with a lot of knowledge and experience in government and foreign affairs, someone who is a seasoned campaigner who could bring a lot of strength to the ticket. Who better than Bill, her husband?!!!
 
3. Hill and Bill go on to win the election in November and the Democrats maintain control of the House and the Senate.
 
4. Hillary is sworn in as President on January 20, 2009. The next day, after all the inauguration parties are over, she calls a press conference to make an announcement: she is resigning as President!!!  Bill, as the Vice President, immediately becomes President!!! This is all perfectly legal under the 22nd Amendment to the Constitution, for it states that "no person may be elected as President more than twice".  Bill is not being elected for
a third term but is merely serving out the remainder of Hillary's term---all 4 years of it.
 
5. But wait! There's more!  The following day Bill calls a press conference to make an announcement. He has chosen someone to fill the now-vacant office of Vice President. Guess who he picks? Why, Hillary, of course!!! And she would still be able to run for President again!!!

The ultimate nightmare...... :nixweiss:



Not a concern Joe.  Constitutionally barred from being President again due to term limitations imposed by the 22nd amendment.  This bars from being VP due to the 12th amendment's exclusion of anyone to the VP's job who is otherwise excluded from the President's job.  There's been way too much idiot-beyond-the-right-of-Rush kind of press that has been trying to split hairs on this.  But if he can't be Prez again he also can't be VP.
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Re: IMAGINE THIS SCENARIO
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2008, 09:36:38 PM »

1. Hillary wins the Democratic Party nomination for President of the United States
 
2. Naturally, she wants to choose as her running mate someone with a lot of knowledge and experience in government and foreign affairs, someone who is a seasoned campaigner who could bring a lot of strength to the ticket. Who better than Bill, her husband?!!!
 
3. Hill and Bill go on to win the election in November and the Democrats maintain control of the House and the Senate.
 
4. Hillary is sworn in as President on January 20, 2009. The next day, after all the inauguration parties are over, she calls a press conference to make an announcement: she is resigning as President!!!  Bill, as the Vice President, immediately becomes President!!! This is all perfectly legal under the 22nd Amendment to the Constitution, for it states that "no person may be elected as President more than twice".  Bill is not being elected for
a third term but is merely serving out the remainder of Hillary's term---all 4 years of it.
 
5. But wait! There's more!  The following day Bill calls a press conference to make an announcement. He has chosen someone to fill the now-vacant office of Vice President. Guess who he picks? Why, Hillary, of course!!! And she would still be able to run for President again!!!

The ultimate nightmare...... :nixweiss:


Nooooooooooooooo!  Don't even think it!
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2008, 10:14:57 PM »

How bout we write in Twolane ?


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Hell with the write in!
I want to hear about the write up!
You know, the RED BIKE is running well again and Don is off on another road trip.
I think a shakedown run to North Carolina will prep the RED BIKE for Maggie Valley later this year.
Now that gets my vote!
Hell with those friggin hanging Chads?
Run RED BIKE run!

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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2008, 10:23:18 PM »

Hell with the write in!
I want to hear about the write up!
You know, the RED BIKE is running well again and Don is off on another road trip.
I think a shakedown run to North Carolina will prep the RED BIKE for Maggie Valley later this year.
Now that gets my vote!
Hell with those friggin hanging Chads?
Run RED BIKE run!

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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2008, 10:26:16 PM »

No write up.  Top end came off two or three weeks or so ago.  Then got busy.  Then took a spill and popped my shoulder out.  In a sling most of the time for two or three days.  It's been functional again for a few days but just now getting some time again.  Might actually work on it again tomorrow.  At least it's something to look forward to.  The one real schedule factor to weigh in is having it ready for tuning before Golden leaves for Florida.

I'm patient.
I can wait.
AW chit, you know I'm not patient.
But I guess I will have to wait.

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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2008, 10:35:55 PM »

OK, what's your dog's name? Can we get a campaign poster/pic?   :nixweiss: har!   :huepfenlol2: :drink:spyder

The absolute worse President of Modern times is got a lock on it,and it is going to take someone really special to rip

that title from Jimmy Carter's Hands................

GW may end up with a better place in History, depending out how Iraq and other Middle east issues end up.

Economy has been good for 7 years and having to recover from 911. lowest interest rates in years. low unemployment and real growth from 2002 -2007

fiscally spends like a drunken sailor and that will haunt him, (spent more money on education than Clinton)
spent money like a liberal democrat......

Katrina will be at his doorstep even though there is enough blame to go around for the last 30 years on that one!

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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #25 on: February 04, 2008, 11:03:52 PM »

I'm patient.
I can wait.
AW chit, you know I'm not patient.
But I guess I will have to wait.

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Truth is I'm getting impatient.  Got started one afternoon with the intention of another afternoon a couple days later getting it buttoned up.  The real life intruded.  Then I fell down and real life intruded some more.  All tolled it's starting to annoy me. 

Old parts are cleaned, wrapped and waiting for some current undecided future.  New parts are organized and prepared to find their home.  When I walk through the garage I can hear their haunting voice in constant refrain saying "Don, install us.  We need a home.  We're in pain.  Please put us on our new home."  Then in a round the red bike (it's bitchier) chimes in saying "hey, dumass, you ever going to put my motor back together?"

All in all I just stopped walking through the garage.  Not enough psychotropics to make it possible.
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2008, 12:42:34 AM »


Economy has been good for 7 years and having to recover from 911. lowest interest rates in years. low unemployment and real growth from 2002 -2007



The economy has been good for the Rich, so I suppose that may be true if you call transference of wealth to be a good thing, It is if it is transferred to you I suppose.

Debt is debt even at 0 percent and those who borrow what they don't have are a part of the problem.I have no mortgage or motorcycle or car payments.....I get to pretend I own them all until the tax bill comes. So NO I am not part of the problem, my daddy taught me something I guess. Work hard and save up for the things I buy. No man is my Master. 80 percent of Americans are 2 months away from being screwed without any income.

Unemployment statistical data only accounts for the amount of people that get unemployment checks. They call it job growth if less people are on unemployment. That is circular logic. Just because you don't collect a check does not mean you have a job, it means your benefits ran out.........so yes less people are qualified. Also there is a very LARGE percentage of people who at one time had 6 figure incomes working for 35 to 45 k as managers of Walmart.....Ask the guy who was in IT 8 years ago, lost his job and works out at walmart today, that is job growth.....too funny.

Media lies! I see all this talk about 4 Candidates and the field narrowed. Can anyone tell me how many Independants are running? Also last I checked RON PAUL is still running on the Republican side, of course Republicans don't want to look at him because he is actually speaking truth, God forbid the truth comes out. The only one even mentioning the Constitution is Ron Paul and people just act like he is not even there......unbelievable. They give people a chance to restore the Constitution and because the media makes decisions for them they throw up the finger at the Constitution.

Don't get me wrong RP is not my guy but it certainly illustrates the point of media control.

Fact of the matter is that Delegates are not awarded until the convention. I think alot of people are going to be shocked by the results.
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2008, 09:04:25 AM »


All in all I just stopped walking through the garage.  Not enough psychotropics to make it possible.
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« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2008, 10:03:20 AM »

They are dropping like flies!

McCain, Obama, Clinton is what's left!

Except for McCain there's not much left to vote for!

Guess it's time to buy more guns.

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« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2008, 10:11:21 AM »

They are dropping like flies!

McCain, Obama, Clinton is what's left!

Except for McCain there's not much left to vote for!

Guess it's time to buy more guns.

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Buy guns and vote for the OLD White Guy. :2vrolijk_21: Here in Ca yesterday the OWG said he would build the fence, deport all the illegals in jail immediately, and stop employers from hiring illegals. With all that you won't need amnesty. :thumbsup: Doc
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« Reply #30 on: February 05, 2008, 10:24:40 AM »

Buy guns and vote for the OLD White Guy. :2vrolijk_21: Here in Ca yesterday the OWG said he would build the fence, deport all the illegals in jail immediately, and stop employers from hiring illegals. With all that you won't need amnesty. :thumbsup: Doc

That all sounds good, but is he saying this to get elected??  Has he changed his mind on this issue????  I am so sick of all the candidates flip-flopping on issues.
Sure would be great to have another Ronald Reagan :2vrolijk_21:
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« Reply #31 on: February 05, 2008, 04:26:33 PM »

That all sounds good, but is he saying this to get elected??  Has he changed his mind on this issue????  I am so sick of all the candidates flip-flopping on issues.
Sure would be great to have another Ronald Reagan :2vrolijk_21:

I agree, I thought that Kennedy and the OWG were for amnesty last week.  :nixweiss: Doc
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« Reply #32 on: February 05, 2008, 04:49:32 PM »

I agree, I thought that Kennedy and the OWG were for amnesty last week.  :nixweiss: Doc

I think it all changes, depending on the campaign stop and who is there to listen >:(
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« Reply #33 on: February 05, 2008, 09:54:44 PM »

Not a concern Joe.  Constitutionally barred from being President again due to term limitations imposed by the 22nd amendment.  This bars from being VP due to the 12th amendment's exclusion of anyone to the VP's job who is otherwise excluded from the President's job.  There's been way too much idiot-beyond-the-right-of-Rush kind of press that has been trying to split hairs on this.  But if he can't be Prez again he also can't be VP.

Maybe, and I don't get this form El Rushbo whacko crowd, consider this:

Article II of the Constitution, says a person is "eligible to the Office of President" as long as he or she is a natural-born U.S. citizen, at least 35 years old and a resident of the United States for 14 years. The 12th Amendment says "no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President."

Then Congress and the states added the 22nd Amendment in 1951 to prevent anyone from following the example of Franklin D. Roosevelt, who won four terms. That's where things get dicey. "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice," the 22nd Amendment says.

On its face, that seems to suggest that Clinton could be vice president because he is only barred from being elected president a third time, not from serving as President. One could also argue that since the Vice President is "elected" and should he take office he would be in effect elected President. Electing a Vice President means electing a Vice President and contingently electing him as President. That interpretation, though a little bold, would honor the intention behind the 22nd Amendment.

Before leaving office, and again in 2003, he suggested amending the amendment to let a two-term president leave office and then run again: "Since people are living much longer . . . the 22nd Amendment should probably be modified to say two consecutive terms instead of two terms for a lifetime." Now, who might he have had in mind?

But seriously doubt Billiary would want to give that office to another egomaniac, like herself. Let's all hope this never comes to pass in our lifetimes.

 
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« Reply #34 on: February 05, 2008, 10:00:20 PM »

Maybe, and I don't get this form El Rushbo whacko crowd, consider this:

Article II of the Constitution, says a person is "eligible to the Office of President" as long as he or she is a natural-born U.S. citizen, at least 35 years old and a resident of the United States for 14 years. The 12th Amendment says "no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President."

Then Congress and the states added the 22nd Amendment in 1951 to prevent anyone from following the example of Franklin D. Roosevelt, who won four terms. That's where things get dicey. "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice," the 22nd Amendment says.

On its face, that seems to suggest that Clinton could be vice president because he is only barred from being elected president a third time, not from serving as President. One could also argue that since the Vice President is "elected" and should he take office he would be in effect elected President. Electing a Vice President means electing a Vice President and contingently electing him as President. That interpretation, though a little bold, would honor the intention behind the 22nd Amendment.

Before leaving office, and again in 2003, he suggested amending the amendment to let a two-term president leave office and then run again: "Since people are living much longer . . . the 22nd Amendment should probably be modified to say two consecutive terms instead of two terms for a lifetime." Now, who might he have had in mind?

But seriously doubt Billiary would want to give that office to another egomaniac. Let's all hope this never comes to pass in our lifetimes.

like herself.

So if Hillary picks Bill as her running mate and then wins the election, she can step down and Wham, Bill is back! Then Bill chooses Hillary as his VP. TaDa!
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« Reply #35 on: February 05, 2008, 10:05:54 PM »

Buy guns and vote for the OLD White Guy. :2vrolijk_21: Here in Ca yesterday the OWG said he would build the fence, deport all the illegals in jail immediately, and stop employers from hiring illegals. With all that you won't need amnesty. :thumbsup: Doc

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       In 2000 I voted for Senator McCain in the primaries because he was ridin the bus " Straight Talk "  and speaking to what he believed regardless of whether it was the talking point of the day from the RNC. Since then he's pandered to whatever group would support him. He's to the point where he has a guy who stands beside him reminding him what to say to the crowd depending on where he is. That's not " Straight Talk "  that's the same old bullchit as everyone else. I'm not mentioning any names, but a certain cajun site member buddy of mine totally dissed McCain in 2000 and now talks him up big time. I'm disappointed. What happened to the McCain of 2000. Oh yeah, that McCain supported a woman's right to choose and a bunch of other liberal ideas. So is he re-born in his new conservative birthday suit ? I think not. Ann Coulter who in my opinion is to the Republican party what a fluffer is to the set of porn movie, has said that she will campaign for Hillary if McCain gets the nomination. The left doesn't trust him, the right doesn't trust him and the middle doesn't believe him. This election sucks and it hasn't even started.

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« Reply #36 on: February 05, 2008, 10:35:45 PM »

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         The left doesn't trust him, the right doesn't trust him and the middle doesn't believe him. This election sucks and it hasn't even started.

B B

Hey, this makes him electable !  When they are all the same, the OWG wins (Denny Crane). You have to watch Boston Legal to understand all this. ??? Doc
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« Reply #37 on: February 05, 2008, 10:40:00 PM »

Hey, this makes him electable !  When they are all the same, the OWG wins (Denny Crane). You have to watch Boston Legal to understand all this. ??? Doc

Denny Crane.
Denny Crane
Denny Crane
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Yeah I watch the show Doc, started watching it back when it first came. I was doing a 7 month stretch (LOL) on Oahu. 
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« Reply #38 on: February 05, 2008, 10:47:28 PM »

Denny Crane.
Denny Crane
Denny Crane
Denny Crane
DENNY CRANE

Yeah I watch the show Doc, started watching it back when it first came. I was doing a 7 month stretch (LOL) on Oahu. 

Terry and I bought season three and just about quit watching regular TV lately. This is some funny stuff. I'm sure the writers are feasting on the material comming out of this election.  :D Doc
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« Reply #39 on: February 06, 2008, 03:29:44 PM »

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"This election sucks and it hasn't even started"...........

True, true B.B. and what a sad state of affairs we're in. Think I'll have a cold one.
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« Reply #40 on: February 06, 2008, 03:32:35 PM »

Uncle Ted  (Hero of Chappaquiddick) the solution for the Dems!!!  :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: IMAGINE THIS SCENARIO
« Reply #41 on: February 07, 2008, 01:42:43 PM »

Maybe, and I don't get this form El Rushbo whacko crowd, consider this:

Article II of the Constitution, says a person is "eligible to the Office of President" as long as he or she is a natural-born U.S. citizen, at least 35 years old and a resident of the United States for 14 years. The 12th Amendment says "no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President."

Then Congress and the states added the 22nd Amendment in 1951 to prevent anyone from following the example of Franklin D. Roosevelt, who won four terms. That's where things get dicey. "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice," the 22nd Amendment says.

On its face, that seems to suggest that Clinton could be vice president because he is only barred from being elected president a third time, not from serving as President. One could also argue that since the Vice President is "elected" and should he take office he would be in effect elected President. Electing a Vice President means electing a Vice President and contingently electing him as President. That interpretation, though a little bold, would honor the intention behind the 22nd Amendment.

Before leaving office, and again in 2003, he suggested amending the amendment to let a two-term president leave office and then run again: "Since people are living much longer . . . the 22nd Amendment should probably be modified to say two consecutive terms instead of two terms for a lifetime." Now, who might he have had in mind?

But seriously doubt Billiary would want to give that office to another egomaniac, like herself. Let's all hope this never comes to pass in our lifetimes.

 

We see to much of the same as it is........I would never support the change to the 22nd if it allowed the same people
to get back in power........We need term limits on the Senate and the House as it is now!
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« Reply #42 on: February 07, 2008, 01:58:51 PM »

That's what made George Washington So Special he had the power of the Presidency and the Humbleness to Step Down, While others in his time would have made themselves King.
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« Reply #43 on: February 07, 2008, 02:17:30 PM »

That's what made George Washington So Special he had the power of the Presidency and the Humbleness to Step Down, While others in his time would have made themselves King.
We'd probably be better off with a benevolent king.  ::) har!  spyder
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« Reply #44 on: February 07, 2008, 03:08:27 PM »

Just read on Yahoo that Romney announced today that he is dropping out:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080207/pl_nm/usa_politics_romney_dc_9

This should sew it up for McCain.  Will be interesting to watch the remaining primaries to see if Romney supporters will move to McCain or Huckabee
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« Reply #45 on: February 07, 2008, 03:11:41 PM »

Just read on Yahoo that Romney announced today that he is dropping out:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080207/pl_nm/usa_politics_romney_dc_9

This should sew it up for McCain.  Will be interesting to watch the remaining primaries to see if Romney supporters will move to McCain or Huckabee
The news was explaining it as he's "suspending" his campaign at this time. Which would mean he may come back later (this way he doesn't have to give up his delegates at this time). :nixweiss:

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« Reply #46 on: February 07, 2008, 03:17:03 PM »

The news was explaining it as he's "suspending" his campaign at this time. Which would mean he may come back later (this way he doesn't have to give up his delegates at this time). :nixweiss:

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« Reply #47 on: February 07, 2008, 03:22:54 PM »

from his own web site:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
CONTACT: Kevin Madden (857) 288-6390

Washington, D.C. – Today, addressing the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), Governor Romney announced that he was suspending his presidential campaign for the sake of Republican unity and the future of our country. In 2008, Republicans must stand united if we are to prevent Senators Clinton and Obama from taking the White House. As a nation at war and facing uncertain economic times, the American people cannot afford the Democrats and their agenda for retreat and economic slowdown. With today's speech, Governor Romney outlined the significance of this election and the need for the Republican Party to remain strong.

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« Reply #48 on: February 07, 2008, 03:23:14 PM »

The news was explaining it as he's "suspending" his campaign at this time. Which would mean he may come back later (this way he doesn't have to give up his delegates at this time). :nixweiss:

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No, I just watched his entire speech and he's dropping out for good to support McCain's bid and to ensure that Obama/Clinton don't gain any more traction.  spyder

Yeah, I read too that the term is "suspending" his campaign.....either way, he's done.  Well, I guess if Romney's campaign is "suspended" and he hangs on to his deligates he could come back and get the nomination by default if McCain strokes-out or something.
Also makes me wonder if there was not some kind of backroom discussion about the VP job?
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« Reply #49 on: February 07, 2008, 04:02:11 PM »

Guess Romney decided not to waste spend more of his mega millions on running.

Back room political deals are business as usual.  Figure he & Huckabee are vying for VP.
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« Reply #50 on: February 07, 2008, 04:14:29 PM »

Guess Romney decided not to waste spend more of his mega millions on running.

Back room political deals are business as usual.  Figure he & Huckabee are vying for VP.

I suspect you may be right about the VP job.

I read that Romney spent $40 million of his own money on his campaign.....I guess that was his "mad" money that he really didn't need anyway. 
I guess that's how the other half lives....I wouldn't know :nixweiss:
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« Reply #51 on: February 07, 2008, 04:21:21 PM »

I suspect you may be right about the VP job.

I read that Romney spent $40 million of his own money on his campaign.....I guess that was his "mad" money that he really didn't need anyway. 
I guess that's how the other half lives....I wouldn't know :nixweiss:
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« Reply #52 on: February 07, 2008, 04:30:43 PM »

WOW!!!! Just think what 40 million of mad money could do for us OCD/SEO fools. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:

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WOW!!!! Just think what 40 million of mad money could do for us OCD/SEO fools. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:

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« Reply #54 on: February 07, 2008, 06:56:07 PM »

If McCain's got even 1/2 a lick of common sense he'll pick Huckabee for VEEP. Huckabee will bring in the faithful and they're the ones screamin at McCain at the moment. Romney can't do that.
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« Reply #55 on: February 07, 2008, 09:33:47 PM »

If McCain's got even 1/2 a lick of common sense he'll pick Huckabee for VEEP. Huckabee will bring in the faithful and they're the ones screamin at McCain at the moment. Romney can't do that.

I love casting runes trying to figure VP choices.  What if the Primary campaign season left them hating each other?  What if this, what if that.....

Governor Huckabee does bring some calm to the conservative base.  He'd also be at least some benefit for the "south."  But that won't seal the deal.

One thing to remember for whomever Senator McCain ends up choosing.  Governors that are candidates for President seem willing to pick from anywhere for their VP choices.  The rare Representative from the US Congress who makes it nominee status seems willing to consider from across a wider board as well.  Senators almost always pick from the Senate.  It's such a club.  And they (nearly) all aspire to the big job.  So they have shared dreams. 

No matter how much sense it might make for McCain to pick some particular someone else.  Good odds have to go to him choosing first from some current or past member of the Senate. 
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #56 on: February 08, 2008, 08:23:22 AM »

Remember, McCain is old 71-72 . His choice for VP should be mindful of that reality.
 
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #57 on: February 08, 2008, 08:48:21 AM »

I love casting runes trying to figure VP choices.  What if the Primary campaign season left them hating each other?  What if this, what if that.....

Governor Huckabee does bring some calm to the conservative base.  He'd also be at least some benefit for the "south."  But that won't seal the deal.

One thing to remember for whomever Senator McCain ends up choosing.  Governors that are candidates for President seem willing to pick from anywhere for their VP choices.  The rare Representative from the US Congress who makes it nominee status seems willing to consider from across a wider board as well.  Senators almost always pick from the Senate.  It's such a club.  And they (nearly) all aspire to the big job.  So they have shared dreams. 

No matter how much sense it might make for McCain to pick some particular someone else.  Good odds have to go to him choosing first from some current or past member of the Senate. 



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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #58 on: February 08, 2008, 10:14:26 AM »

Remember, McCain is old 71-72 . His choice for VP should be mindful of that reality.
 

...easy, pick another <OWG.  :nervous: Doc
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #59 on: February 08, 2008, 10:55:30 AM »

If McCain has any sense (and trust me, I'm not giving him too much credit in that category), and if the National Republican Party Leaders have any forethought, they will look for a VP that will possibly be a good presidential candidate in 4 years - Not some empty suit that will set quietly on the sideline nodding his head (after all, McCain is OLD - might not be up to another campaign and 4 year term).  IMO, a good VP will be someone that will bring unity back to the Republican Party and one that can also restore conservative values.
If the "powers that be" don't think this through, they stand a good chance of loosing the loyal Republican voters, because IMO, it's starting to get awfully darn hard to tell the Republicans from the Dems.
Who do I think would be a VP that could be a viable candidate in 4 years and accomplish what the Republican party needs?..... I can't think of anyone that would be the perfect candidate.  Maybe Huckleberry would be as good as any :nixweiss:
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #60 on: February 08, 2008, 11:02:52 AM »

Rumors include Charlie Crist - Florida guv - on his short list for VP.  Would not make conservatives happy, but Charlie has lots in common re: political views with Mc Cain.

Huckabee is a maybe.  Too bad it most likely won't be Condoleeza Rice......
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #61 on: February 08, 2008, 11:19:40 AM »

Rumors include Charlie Crist - Florida guv - on his short list for VP.  Would not make conservatives happy, but Charlie has lots in common re: political views with Mc Cain.

Huckabee is a maybe.  Too bad it most likely won't be Condoleeza Rice......

Hmmmmm. that might split the moderate democratic minority vote........
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #62 on: February 08, 2008, 11:24:15 AM »

Hmmmmm. that might split the moderate democratic minority vote........

Possibly.  She is a very smart woman, knows enough about foreign policy to put most everyone else to shame, & is quite articulate with a wicked sense of humor at times.  Not a chance in hell she would get the nod & somewhat doubtful she would accept it if offered.
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #63 on: February 08, 2008, 11:24:33 AM »

Rumors include Charlie Crist - Florida guv - on his short list for VP.  Would not make conservatives happy, but Charlie has lots in common re: political views with Mc Cain.

Huckabee is a maybe.  Too bad it most likely won't be Condoleeza Rice......

Wow!  Now there's a "Dream Team" for the Republican Party.....OWG & black female (except the Republican's would have a SMART female with Condoleeza Rice :2vrolijk_21:)  Condoleeza would definitely bring some brains to the ticket!
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #64 on: February 08, 2008, 02:04:52 PM »

Wow!  Now there's a "Dream Team" for the Republican Party.....OWG & black female (except the Republican's would have a SMART female with Condoleeza Rice :2vrolijk_21:)  Condoleeza would definitely bring some brains to the ticket!


Watching her speak during Congressional hearings on CSPAN is a guilty pleasure of mine.  She thinks circles around the goofs (congressional seat warmers) asking her questions.
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #65 on: February 08, 2008, 03:22:27 PM »

How's this for the "Dream Team"?
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #66 on: February 08, 2008, 04:10:50 PM »

Wow!  Now there's a "Dream Team" for the Republican Party.....OWG & black female (except the Republican's would have a SMART female with Condoleeza Rice :2vrolijk_21:)  Condoleeza would definitely bring some brains to the ticket!

 
I agree, she is scarry smart and would represent us well. She really doesn't want us to go back to the mideast again and unlike Powell would not pull us out before the job is done. Doc
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #67 on: February 08, 2008, 04:20:41 PM »

 
I agree, she is scarry smart and would represent us well. She really doesn't want us to go back to the mideast again and unlike Powell would not pull us out before the job is done. Doc
Well put Dr Rice seems to out perform most of her contemporaries by a very wide margin. I too love to listen to her speak and enjoy her display of intellectual genius. Too bad she's more interested in the NFL Commisionership!!
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #68 on: February 08, 2008, 08:12:58 PM »

My vote is "none of the above" !
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #69 on: February 21, 2008, 08:12:38 PM »


The presidential race always drags, or coattails, congressional and senate candidates along with them.
Although guilty of just cutting and pasting as some on this site have pointed out, think about how H or O will change the balance of power that already favors the democrats. I keep a news channel on while in the office and despise the amount of attention given to athletes who take steroids and what Spears is doing. Have you ever noticed the number of people sitting around and who are getting paid by the taxpayer while this goes on day after day? Read this quote from President Bush about the vote Nancy Pelosi totally ignored:

"Because Congress failed to act, it will be harder for our government to keep you safe from terrorist attack... House leaders chose politics over protecting the country -- and our country is at greater risk as a result."

Exactly what did Pelosi and her liberal cohorts do to put our country at greater risk of terrorist attacks?

Specifically, Pelosi REFUSED to allow a vote to renew the Protect America Act -- WHICH EXPIRED ON SATURDAY... a law that is essential for our nation's intelligence capabilities to protect the homeland!

But that's not all!  After refusing to bring the Protect America Act up for a vote, Pelosi adjourned Congress and left town!

Last week, Congress wasted our time and taxpayer money interrogating baseball players about steroid use, but they were just too doggone busy to take up a bill that could save American lives!

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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #70 on: February 21, 2008, 11:33:48 PM »

Imagine this..................tell me one thing Obama or Hillary have done to make America better, or safer, or more prosperous.  Change...........What change?  What's the plan?  More SSI?  More Affimative Action?  Less Military?  More TAXES?  Hell, 52% of the Population is Government dependent now.  What laws have they presented or passed, that has benefited America in general, in the past, or present?  Produce 'em.  Any takers?  Didn't think so.  Any body that would vote for either one of these two political wanna-be, con-artist, carnival barker a$$holes, has little, or no knowledge, of what these two Anti-American Socialist are made of, not to mention what makes America tick.  Get a Grip!  Do your research.  Do your duty.  Hell, I could get more done for us than they could, and wouldn't have to spend one dollar.  There enedth the lesson.  Later--HUBBARD     
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #71 on: February 22, 2008, 12:24:05 AM »

Imagine this..................tell me one thing Obama or Hillary have done to make America better, or safer, or more prosperous.  Change...........What change?  What's the plan?  More SSI?  More Affimative Action?  Less Military?  More TAXES?  Hell, 52% of the Population is Government dependent now.  What laws have they presented or passed, that has benefited America in general, in the past, or present?  Produce 'em.  Any takers?  Didn't think so.  Any body that would vote for either one of these two political wanna-be, con-artist, carnival barker a$$holes, has little, or no knowledge, of what these two Anti-American Socialist are made of, not to mention what makes America tick.  Get a Grip!  Do your research.  Do your duty.  Hell, I could get more done for us than they could, and wouldn't have to spend one dollar.  There enedth the lesson.  Later--HUBBARD     

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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #72 on: February 22, 2008, 01:41:41 AM »

...after tonight's debate it looks like OWG is going to win. The dems are self destructing and OWG has a history of fooling around. Whats there not to love about this election !  :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #73 on: February 22, 2008, 11:53:28 AM »

And I s'pose it's OK that McCain couldn't keep his zipper zipped because it's alright when a Repubican screws around on the wife.  >:(

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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #74 on: February 22, 2008, 11:57:57 AM »

And I s'pose it's OK that McCain couldn't keep his zipper zipped because it's alright when a Repubican screws around on the wife.  >:(

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Brian, nobody knows for sure but his hairdresser.  But nothing I've read has even suggested confirmation he was screwing around.  It has, however, suggested he was real tight with a lobbyist who also happened to be a woman.

Given the man's history that fits too.  His personal history isn't one of promiscuity.  It is one of too often being too tight with lobbyists and others dealing influence.  That's (basically) what got his ass in trouble as far back as Keating 5.  He has often walked that line very very closely.
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #75 on: February 22, 2008, 12:01:27 PM »

Brian, nobody knows for sure but his hairdresser.  But nothing I've read has even suggested confirmation he was screwing around.  It has, however, suggested he was real tight with a lobbyist who also happened to be a woman.

Given the man's history that fits too.  His personal history isn't one of promiscuity.  It is one of too often being too tight with lobbyists and others dealing influence.  That's (basically) what got his ass in trouble as far back as Keating 5.  He has often walked that line very very closely.

Like I said Don, if he were a Democrat, he'd already be tarred and feathered. Because he's a Republican there's a million apologists like you ready, willing and able to make it all sound like Mary Poppins and Bert the Chimney Sweep.

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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #76 on: February 22, 2008, 12:13:24 PM »

Like I said Don, if he were a Democrat, he'd already be tarred and feathered. Because he's a Republican there's a million apologists like you ready, willing and able to make it all sound like Mary Poppins and Bert the Chimney Sweep.

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Unfortunately, believing anything the New York Times puts out is suspect for anyone that leans anyway but far left.  They posted a story without a shred of proof or evidence, other than hearsay from some disgruntled EX-staffers...The fact, as Don stated, is that McCain was and has been good friends with the lobbyists (and this one just happens to be female)...as have about 95% of all the politicians on the hill.  This is political sensationalism at its finest.  Can't really find much wrong with the guy, so let's make something up.  Politics as normal.

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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #77 on: February 22, 2008, 12:20:15 PM »

Like I said Don, if he were a Democrat, he'd already be tarred and feathered. Because he's a Republican there's a million apologists like you ready, willing and able to make it all sound like Mary Poppins and Bert the Chimney Sweep.

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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #78 on: February 22, 2008, 12:23:00 PM »

Unfortunately, believing anything the New York Times puts out is suspect for anyone that leans anyway but far left.  They posted a story without a shred of proof or evidence, other than hearsay from some disgruntled EX-staffers...The fact, as Don stated, is that McCain was and has been good friends with the lobbyists (and this one just happens to be female)...as have about 95% of all the politicians on the hill.  This is political sensationalism at its finest.  Can't really find much wrong with the guy, so let's make something up.  Politics as normal.

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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #79 on: February 22, 2008, 12:29:06 PM »

Unfortunately, believing anything the New York Times puts out is suspect for anyone that leans anyway but far left.  They posted a story without a shred of proof or evidence, other than hearsay from some disgruntled EX-staffers...The fact, as Don stated, is that McCain was and has been good friends with the lobbyists (and this one just happens to be female)...as have about 95% of all the politicians on the hill.  This is political sensationalism at its finest.  Can't really find much wrong with the guy, so let's make something up.  Politics as normal.

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Yep, I don't think I am buying the New York Times story about McCain fooling around.  I mean, no one has a Blue Dress with his DNA on it, do they?

I'm not a fan of McCain by any stretch, but looks like he is going to be, IMO, the best choice by far........Pretty Sad.
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #80 on: February 22, 2008, 12:31:40 PM »

Yep, I don't think I am buying the New York Times story about McCain fooling around.  I mean, no one has a Blue Dress with his DNA on it, do they?

I'm not a fan of McCain by any stretch, but looks like he is going to be, IMO, the best choice by far........Pretty Sad.

Got to agree with that...looks like it's going to be voting for the lesser of two evils...the OWG.

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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #81 on: February 22, 2008, 12:33:48 PM »

Got to agree with that...looks like it's going to be voting for the lesser of two evils...the OWG.

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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #82 on: February 22, 2008, 12:35:52 PM »

I hate this type of reporting on either side, what happened to verifying information. This is the stuff the tabloids do!
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #83 on: February 22, 2008, 12:38:27 PM »

Like I said Don, if he were a Democrat, he'd already be tarred and feathered. Because he's a Republican there's a million apologists like you ready, willing and able to make it all sound like Mary Poppins and Bert the Chimney Sweep.

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Brian, you're reading more than I'm saying.  There's enough democratic leaning press to get the GOP and vice versa.  And Senator McCain isn't my ideal for a nominee.  I'd draw a different character for sure.

I merely said that, given the facts of the day, there's nothing I've read that proves or even strongly suggests sexual promscuity or infidelity.  It's just not out there.  Reading it all from an analyst's perspective the facts are not in play.

I also said that it is far more in the guy's character and history to be cuddly close with a lobbyist, any lobbyist, than nakedly close with a woman not his wife.  That is in the man's character and history and has been shown to be so more than once in his legislative career.  Quite frankly that bothers me more for the nominee than that he might have had some dalliance years ago.  His wife forgives him or not for that.  His alliance with or willingness to serve lobby interests impacts on you and me.
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #84 on: February 22, 2008, 12:40:30 PM »

I hate this type of reporting on either side, what happened to verifying information. This is the stuff the tabloids do!

They come from the "Dan Rather School of Sensationalism Journalism" ...  ::)

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« Reply #85 on: February 22, 2008, 12:40:59 PM »


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Hmmmmmmmm that Chief of Staff job is looking very good!


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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #86 on: February 22, 2008, 12:45:38 PM »

Brian, you're reading more than I'm saying.  There's enough democratic leaning press to get the GOP and vice versa.  And Senator McCain isn't my ideal for a nominee.  I'd draw a different character for sure.

I merely said that, given the facts of the day, there's nothing I've read that proves or even strongly suggests sexual promscuity or infidelity.  It's just not out there.  Reading it all from an analyst's perspective the facts are not in play.

I also said that it is far more in the guy's character and history to be cuddly close with a lobbyist, any lobbyist, than nakedly close with a woman not his wife.  That is in the man's character and history and has been shown to be so more than once in his legislative career.  Quite frankly that bothers me more for the nominee than that he might have had some dalliance years ago.  His wife forgives him or not for that.  His alliance with or willingness to serve lobby interests impacts on you and me.

Unfortunately, like I stated in an earlier post...that pertains to about 95% of the politicians on the hill...money (the old PAC fund contributions) has no party line...they lobbyists run the government...and you're right, it definitely impacts you and me a great deal.

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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #87 on: February 22, 2008, 12:46:02 PM »

They come from the "Dan Rather School of Sensationalism Journalism" ...  ::)

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A diehard Democrat loves the sop the NY Times serves up and accepts it as long as it bashes a conservative or a Republican.  Automatic pilot, basically.

Similar to a Republican's reaction when the Wall Street Journal exposes a liberal of a Democrat - they love it long time.


The hatchet job/witch hunt dumpster diving trash the NY Times just tried to pull on Mc Cain is not the end of it.  It gets worse, not better.  Strangely, the NY Times is IGNORING similar crappola re: Obama - affairs, wife is rumored to be nuts, crooked political dealings in Chicago, etc.  Wonder why?
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #88 on: February 22, 2008, 12:48:47 PM »

A diehard Democrat loves the sop the NY Times serves up and accepts it as long as it bashes a conservative or a Republican.  Automatic pilot, basically.

Similar to a Republican's reaction when the Wall Street Journal exposes a liberal of a Democrat - they love it long time.


The hatchet job/witch hunt dumpster diving trash the NY Times just tried to pull on Mc Cain is not the end of it.  It gets worse, not better.  Strangely, the NY Times is IGNORING similar crappola re: Obama - affairs, wife is rumored to be nuts, crooked political dealings in Chicago, etc.  Wonder why?

I thinks that's rather obvious..... :-*

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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #89 on: February 22, 2008, 12:57:55 PM »

A diehard Democrat loves the sop the NY Times serves up and accepts it as long as it bashes a conservative or a Republican.  Automatic pilot, basically.

Similar to a Republican's reaction when the Wall Street Journal exposes a liberal of a Democrat - they love it long time.


The hatchet job/witch hunt dumpster diving trash the NY Times just tried to pull on Mc Cain is not the end of it.  It gets worse, not better.  Strangely, the NY Times is IGNORING similar crappola re: Obama - affairs, wife is rumored to be nuts, crooked political dealings in Chicago, etc.  Wonder why?


And if you really want to hear a down and dirty rumor,

Don's neighbor's son that mows the grass for a higher up at Harley in York heard the exec's wife talking about him getting one of the first 09 Screaming Eagle Road Glides.

A 09 Screaming Eagle Road Glide
Now that gets my vote!

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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #90 on: February 22, 2008, 01:00:32 PM »

I thinks that's rather obvious..... :-*

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Yeah, their agenda since that twerp Pinch took over has run them into the ground.
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #91 on: February 22, 2008, 01:01:54 PM »


And if you really want to hear a down and dirty rumor,

Don's neighbor's son that mows the grass for a higher up at Harley in York heard the exec's wife talking about him getting one of the first 09 Screaming Eagle Road Glides.

A 09 Screaming Eagle Road Glide
Now that gets my vote!

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A Road Glide CVO again.  Cool. Mowing the grass is a great source these days for rumormongerers.   :huepfenjump3:

Whythehell aren't we speculating more about the 09 CVO's?  :nixweiss:

Is there a thread anywhere on this yet?

There should be.
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #92 on: February 22, 2008, 01:06:29 PM »

Interesting editorial:

The Real Barack Obama

By: Ronald Kessler

Michelle Obama’s comment that, for the first time in her adult life, she feels proud of America helps crystallize who Barack Obama is.

To be sure, the wife of a candidate is perfectly free to have views that are distinct from her husband’s. But on a matter that is so fundamental to one’s being as love of country, it is difficult to imagine that Michelle Obama would publicly twice make such a statement suggesting disdain for America unless she felt it comported with her husband’s views.

Equally important, her statement aligns perfectly with the hate-America views of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Barack Obama’s minister, friend, and sounding board for more than two decades. On the Sunday following 9/11, Wright characterized the terrorist attacks as a consequence of violent American policies. Four years later, Wright suggested that the attacks were retribution for America’s racism.

“In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01,” Wright wrote in his church magazine Trumpet. “White America and the Western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just ‘disappeared’ as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns.”

Wright has been a key supporter of Louis Farrakhan, and in December, honored the Nation of Islam leader for lifetime achievement, saying he “truly epitomize(s) greatness.”

Farrakhan has repeatedly made hate-filled statements targeting Jews, whites, America, and homosexuals.

Those who think two of the closest people to Obama could publicly make anti-America statements unless Obama himself felt that way, are fooling themselves. To date, Obama has proven himself to be nothing more than a great orator, rendering the statements of those around him even more important in illuminating his true character and agenda. During his Senate career, he skipped 17 percent of the votes and sponsored only one bill that became law. That bill was to promote “relief, security, and democracy in the Democratic Republic of Congo.”

Bereft of official accomplishments, Obama has distinguished himself mainly by being against measures that protect American security, such as finishing the mission in Iraq. If we were to leave Iraq quickly, as Obama vows he would do, it would become a launch pad for al-Qaida attacks on the U.S.

Obama avoided voting on extending the Protect America Act, thus putting America at risk when immediate interception of terrorist communications is required. Last August, Obama voted against a measure that would have allowed the U.S. to continue to monitor overseas conversations of terrorists like Osama bin Laden without first obtaining a warrant.

If his radical vote had prevailed, bin Laden would have been given the same rights as Americans.

To this day, Obama has not distanced himself from most of Rev. Wright’s comments. In a statement supposedly issued to address the matter, Obama ignored the point that his minister and friend had spoken adoringly of Farrakhan and that Wright’s church was behind the award to the Nation of Islam leader. Instead, as outlined in a Jan. 17 Newsmax article, he disingenuously claimed he thought the magazine bestowed the award on Farrakhan for his efforts to rehabilitate ex-prisoners.


Neither Wright’s encomiums about Farrakhan nor the Trumpet article mentions ex-prisoners.


Similarly, after John McCain’s wife Cindy responded to Michelle Obama’s remarks by telling a Wisconsin rally, “I have, and always will be, proud of my country,” Barack Obama told a radio interviewer that his wife did not say what people think she said. He then proceeded to rewrite her comments, claiming that she had meant she was encouraged by the “large numbers of people” who have gotten involved in the political process. Michelle Obama then made a similar revision of her remarks.

In her speech in Milwaukee, Michelle Obama said flatly, “For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country, and not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change.”

And what has been wrong with America up to now? That it gave Michelle the opportunity to attend Princeton and Harvard Law School? That it gave Barack Obama the chance to attend Harvard and Harvard Law School and become a U.S. senator making more than $1 million a year from book royalties?

Was it that America stopped Nazi Germany from continuing to murder millions of Jews? That America has provided Africa and other countries with $15 billion to combat the spread of AIDS/HIV and that another $30 billion is on the way? That 46 percent of all Americans classified by the Census Bureau as poor own their own homes, 76 percent of them have air conditioning, and 75 percent of them have at least one car? Or that America allows us to express our views freely without fear of being put in jail, as is the case in Russia?

A lawyer, Michelle Obama is perfectly capable of expressing herself precisely. In fact, she spoke from a written speech.

Those who do not want to believe she meant what she said — and that Barack Obama could not be so close to Rev. Wright if he did not himself believe in much of what he has said — are in denial.

The real Barack Obama is starting to emerge, and for those of us who are grateful to America for everything it represents, it is not a pretty sight.
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #93 on: February 22, 2008, 01:07:54 PM »

A Road Glide CVO again.  Cool. Mowing the grass is a great source these days for rumormongerers.   :huepfenjump3:

Whythehell aren't we speculating more about the 09 CVO's:nixweiss:

Is there a thread anywhere on this yet?

There should be.


We are still worrying about getting Cybil running first.
Priorities man priorities!
It's another 6 months till the 09's are out.
Cybil needs to get done first, then we can talk about the 09's!


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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #94 on: February 22, 2008, 01:12:07 PM »


We are still worrying about getting Cybil running first.
Priorities man priorities!
It's another 6 months till the 09's are out.
Cybil needs to get done first, then we can talk about the 09's!


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Cybil will be running before the 09's are out?

Is there a line in Vegas on this yet?

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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #95 on: February 22, 2008, 01:14:00 PM »

Cybil will be running before the 09's are out?

Is there a line in Vegas on this yet?

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There is 60K riding on that answer!

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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #96 on: February 22, 2008, 03:22:08 PM »


And if you really want to hear a down and dirty rumor,

Don's neighbor's son that mows the grass for a higher up at Harley in York heard the exec's wife talking about him getting one of the first 09 Screaming Eagle Road Glides.

A 09 Screaming Eagle Road Glide
Now that gets my vote!

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That's right!  It'll be the first Harley to come OE with a trailer hitch installed.  Behind it will be a little aluminum trailer with the new SE Servicar accompanying.  I'm so excited I almost wizzed myself!
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #97 on: February 22, 2008, 03:27:56 PM »

Interesting editorial:

The Real Barack Obama

By: Ronald Kessler

Michelle Obama’s comment that, for the first time in her adult life, she feels proud of America helps crystallize who Barack Obama is.

To be sure, the wife of a candidate is perfectly free to have views that are distinct from her husband’s. But on a matter that is so fundamental to one’s being as love of country, it is difficult to imagine that Michelle Obama would publicly twice make such a statement suggesting disdain for America unless she felt it comported with her husband’s views.

Equally important, her statement aligns perfectly with the hate-America views of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Barack Obama’s minister, friend, and sounding board for more than two decades. On the Sunday following 9/11, Wright characterized the terrorist attacks as a consequence of violent American policies. Four years later, Wright suggested that the attacks were retribution for America’s racism.

“In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01,” Wright wrote in his church magazine Trumpet. “White America and the Western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just ‘disappeared’ as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns.”

Wright has been a key supporter of Louis Farrakhan, and in December, honored the Nation of Islam leader for lifetime achievement, saying he “truly epitomize(s) greatness.”

Farrakhan has repeatedly made hate-filled statements targeting Jews, whites, America, and homosexuals.

Those who think two of the closest people to Obama could publicly make anti-America statements unless Obama himself felt that way, are fooling themselves. To date, Obama has proven himself to be nothing more than a great orator, rendering the statements of those around him even more important in illuminating his true character and agenda. During his Senate career, he skipped 17 percent of the votes and sponsored only one bill that became law. That bill was to promote “relief, security, and democracy in the Democratic Republic of Congo.”

Bereft of official accomplishments, Obama has distinguished himself mainly by being against measures that protect American security, such as finishing the mission in Iraq. If we were to leave Iraq quickly, as Obama vows he would do, it would become a launch pad for al-Qaida attacks on the U.S.

Obama avoided voting on extending the Protect America Act, thus putting America at risk when immediate interception of terrorist communications is required. Last August, Obama voted against a measure that would have allowed the U.S. to continue to monitor overseas conversations of terrorists like Osama bin Laden without first obtaining a warrant.

If his radical vote had prevailed, bin Laden would have been given the same rights as Americans.

To this day, Obama has not distanced himself from most of Rev. Wright’s comments. In a statement supposedly issued to address the matter, Obama ignored the point that his minister and friend had spoken adoringly of Farrakhan and that Wright’s church was behind the award to the Nation of Islam leader. Instead, as outlined in a Jan. 17 Newsmax article, he disingenuously claimed he thought the magazine bestowed the award on Farrakhan for his efforts to rehabilitate ex-prisoners.


Neither Wright’s encomiums about Farrakhan nor the Trumpet article mentions ex-prisoners.


Similarly, after John McCain’s wife Cindy responded to Michelle Obama’s remarks by telling a Wisconsin rally, “I have, and always will be, proud of my country,” Barack Obama told a radio interviewer that his wife did not say what people think she said. He then proceeded to rewrite her comments, claiming that she had meant she was encouraged by the “large numbers of people” who have gotten involved in the political process. Michelle Obama then made a similar revision of her remarks.

In her speech in Milwaukee, Michelle Obama said flatly, “For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country, and not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change.”

And what has been wrong with America up to now? That it gave Michelle the opportunity to attend Princeton and Harvard Law School? That it gave Barack Obama the chance to attend Harvard and Harvard Law School and become a U.S. senator making more than $1 million a year from book royalties?

Was it that America stopped Nazi Germany from continuing to murder millions of Jews? That America has provided Africa and other countries with $15 billion to combat the spread of AIDS/HIV and that another $30 billion is on the way? That 46 percent of all Americans classified by the Census Bureau as poor own their own homes, 76 percent of them have air conditioning, and 75 percent of them have at least one car? Or that America allows us to express our views freely without fear of being put in jail, as is the case in Russia?

A lawyer, Michelle Obama is perfectly capable of expressing herself precisely. In fact, she spoke from a written speech.

Those who do not want to believe she meant what she said — and that Barack Obama could not be so close to Rev. Wright if he did not himself believe in much of what he has said — are in denial.

The real Barack Obama is starting to emerge, and for those of us who are grateful to America for everything it represents, it is not a pretty sight.


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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #98 on: February 22, 2008, 03:46:19 PM »

Unfortunately, like I stated in an earlier post...that pertains to about 95% of the politicians on the hill...money (the old PAC fund contributions) has no party line...they lobbyists run the government...and you're right, it definitely impacts you and me a great deal.

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It is just part and parcel of the environment RD.  Unavoidable in many circumstances.  There is a difference between cozy and COZY though.  Senator McCain has at times straddled the line between the two more than I personally care for.  You know someone on the outside has too much credence on the inside when a freelance speechwriter finds out words are being vetted through lobbyists rather than AA or candidate.  That's apparently happened in McCain's world.

He's just not a candidate that gives me warm fuzzies for the job he's after.  Not speaking at all to his status in our national history.  He was literally at the center of the conflagration on the Forrestal, everyone knows of is POW status, the man still can't put on a t-shirt easily or without a little help because of his mistreatment in Hanoi, he's served in the legislature for years.  I've got no problem readily admitting his life has been heroic and worthy of the praise of Americans.  Those things don't mean he's necessarily a choice to be next POTUS though.

His age really has to be considered.  I'm never wild about a candidate for the job that forces me to have consider the VP choice every bit as thoroughly as the lead candidate.  It would be no surprise to anyone if a McCain presidency didn't survive two terms.  That and his legislative history just don't make him my ideal candidate.  Things separate from other parts of his life's service to the country.  For the job he's running for now, however, no one gets a free pass.  Even if they were a bona fide hero four decades ago.
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #99 on: February 22, 2008, 04:13:43 PM »

McCain should explain this video by Roy Beck from Numbers USA:

www.numbersusa.com/video/?origin=e

What he has done concerning the NYT story has about as much importance as the steroids case and what Spears is doing today.

He will receive my vote because he is the only one qualified to deal with the NEXT terrorist attack. Maybe Huckabee can team up and change his liberal immigration position.  :-\
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #100 on: February 22, 2008, 07:11:51 PM »


Don a Republican!  :o  :o  :o  :o  :o  :o


Hmmmmmmmm that Chief of Staff job is looking very good!


I want the Chairman of the Federal Reserve job!

Hubbard Pres!
Otis      VP
Don  Chief of Staff

Has a nice ring to it!

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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #101 on: February 22, 2008, 08:33:55 PM »

It is just part and parcel of the environment RD.  Unavoidable in many circumstances.  There is a difference between cozy and COZY though.  Senator McCain has at times straddled the line between the two more than I personally care for.  You know someone on the outside has too much credence on the inside when a freelance speechwriter finds out words are being vetted through lobbyists rather than AA or candidate.  That's apparently happened in McCain's world.

He's just not a candidate that gives me warm fuzzies for the job he's after.  Not speaking at all to his status in our national history.  He was literally at the center of the conflagration on the Forrestal, everyone knows of is POW status, the man still can't put on a t-shirt easily or without a little help because of his mistreatment in Hanoi, he's served in the legislature for years.  I've got no problem readily admitting his life has been heroic and worthy of the praise of Americans.  Those things don't mean he's necessarily a choice to be next POTUS though.

His age really has to be considered.  I'm never wild about a candidate for the job that forces me to have consider the VP choice every bit as thoroughly as the lead candidate.  It would be no surprise to anyone if a McCain presidency didn't survive two terms.  That and his legislative history just don't make him my ideal candidate.  Things separate from other parts of his life's service to the country.  For the job he's running for now, however, no one gets a free pass.  Even if they were a bona fide hero four decades ago.

Don,
I couldn't agree more with what you've said...unfortunately, I think we're going to be faced with voting for the lesser of two evils, so to speak.  I definitely don't agree with everything McCain had done since he's been a legislator, and no one will question his heroism or loyalty to this country, but you're right, that doesn't qualify him for POTUS.  But given the other two choices right now, I still have to go with the OWG and hopefully, he'll pick a good running mate.

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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #102 on: February 22, 2008, 08:58:00 PM »

Don,
I couldn't agree more with what you've said...unfortunately, I think we're going to be faced with voting for the lesser of two evils, so to speak.  I definitely don't agree with everything McCain had done since he's been a legislator, and no one will question his heroism or loyalty to this country, but you're right, that doesn't qualify him for POTUS.  But given the other two choices right now, I still have to go with the OWG and hopefully, he'll pick a good running mate.

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History sure does seems repetitive now doesn't it  :wall: There have been many previous election cycles whose retoric appears very similar to what is heard today. We need to break the cycle before we go down the  :toilet: Or we can just  :beerchug: and hope for the best!!  ;)    :nixweiss:
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #103 on: February 22, 2008, 09:40:43 PM »

Don,
I couldn't agree more with what you've said...unfortunately, I think we're going to be faced with voting for the lesser of two evils, so to speak.  I definitely don't agree with everything McCain had done since he's been a legislator, and no one will question his heroism or loyalty to this country, but you're right, that doesn't qualify him for POTUS.  But given the other two choices right now, I still have to go with the OWG and hopefully, he'll pick a good running mate.

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It is hard to get excited this time.  Guess that only means studying the choices even more important. 

I always tend to vote for the executive based on int'l and security issues primarily and legislators more for their domestic positions.  Rather presidents like to admit it or not the Congress can go a long way toward strangling the domestic agenda whenever it pleases.  So I do primary research accordingly.

Executives get watched for likely staff choices too.  At least when there is a choice to be made.  Those senior west wing staff jobs do a lot more than mere policy guidance and much of future choices can be divined by getting a handle on who will be staffing where.  That was even strongly the case when Bush Sr was VP and with Cheney as the VP staffs have been active with both administrations.

Just a guess of course but I'd expect a McCain VP to be a more classic VP.  Functionary dressing until the old man strokes out some day.  His own words on why he'd not accept the VP's job only reinforce that.  But his VP choice will still be significant.  And damn if there's a clue out there about who it would really be now.

My pool money on the other side has Obama picking Sebelius right now.  Even though Senators almost never pick running mates from outside the Senate he's not been there too long yet.  And picking Sebelius maintains the distaff interest and blunts their disappointment if Senator Clinton does end up losing.  My #2 choice in that poll is real dark horse though.  Patrick Kennedy.  Lots of history to be played there.

McCain I'm just clueless on though.  Just saw a wire article late this afternoon about him taking flak for having lobbyists so heavily involved in campaign management.  More of the same....  All the "rebel" tag notwithstanding he's still become a creature of the Senate over the years.  A friend has money on him totally blowing off the harder right GOP base and trying to steal a lot of democrats by asking Bill Richardson.  I actually like Richardson on many things.  But it's not a choice I'd foresee.  Who knows.  That's why it's called the silly season....
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #104 on: February 22, 2008, 09:45:53 PM »

Okay, here's the thing. The last time we had a POTUS who was a man of courage, integrity and faith was Jimmy Carter and we all know what a crappy POTUS he was. Probably the most decent moral man ever to hold the office, but a crappy POTUS. I fear the same with McCain

                                            BUT

Obama is a creation of the DNC, elected to the Senate at the right juncture in history so as to not have voted for anything of any substance to establish any pattern or record to decide on. He is greener than a new dollar bill and I fear that even more


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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #106 on: February 22, 2008, 11:13:41 PM »

Okay, here's the thing. The last time we had a POTUS who was a man of courage, integrity and faith was Jimmy Carter and we all know what a crappy POTUS he was. Probably the most decent moral man ever to hold the office, but a crappy POTUS. I fear the same with McCain

                                            BUT

Obama is a creation of the DNC, elected to the Senate at the right juncture in history so as to not have voted for anything of any substance to establish any pattern or record to decide on. He is greener than a new dollar bill and I fear that even more


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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #107 on: February 22, 2008, 11:18:07 PM »

Billy Carter was more famous than Jimmy, right? 

And who would be with a product like this one?

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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #108 on: February 22, 2008, 11:22:11 PM »

And who could forget...



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« Reply #109 on: February 22, 2008, 11:24:58 PM »

Where Jimmy grew up...

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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #110 on: February 23, 2008, 09:35:06 PM »

Okay, here's the thing. The last time we had a POTUS who was a man of courage, integrity and faith was Jimmy Carter and we all know what a crappy POTUS he was. Probably the most decent moral man ever to hold the office, but a crappy POTUS. I fear the same with McCain

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Obama is a creation of the DNC, elected to the Senate at the right juncture in history so as to not have voted for anything of any substance to establish any pattern or record to decide on. He is greener than a new dollar bill and I fear that even more


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I am not sure about the most moral man part but incompetant surely comes to mind and to compare him to McCain is a disservice to McCain....

and I voted for the peanut farmer and I am certainly not the biggest McCain Fan
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #111 on: February 25, 2008, 09:40:39 AM »

Carter was a good man, just not up to the job he took on. He wasn't ready for the dishonest crooks he'd have to deal with, and didn't stand up the foreign enemies. For many years after he left office he went around the nation helping build Habitat For Humanity houses, even some of his old staff worked with him. Out pastor at our church worked with Him in NY on a house.

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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #112 on: February 25, 2008, 02:33:47 PM »


OK, for all those who weren't happy with the McCain/Billary/Obama choices, according to my morning newspaper Mr. Ralph Nader has heard your anguished cries and has agreed once more to step into the breech for the good of the country.  Hot Damn!

Jerry

PS  I think I'm going to puke, and then move to Canada.  Oh wait, I can't stand cold weather.  Maybe I'll move to some nice Central American dictatorship instead; at least I wouldn't have to listen to all this political crap every four years.
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« Reply #113 on: February 25, 2008, 02:53:32 PM »


PS  I think I'm going to puke, and then move to Canada.  Oh wait, I can't stand cold weather.  Maybe I'll move to some nice Central American dictatorship instead; at least I wouldn't have to listen to all this political crap every four years.
You just summed it up, Jerry, as dismal as the politics are here, they're worlds better than anyplace else.  So, we can bitch on, but be thankful at the same time.  ??? har!  spyder
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« Reply #114 on: February 25, 2008, 03:40:08 PM »

Holy Crap...   what a dismal set of choices.   How do we fix this?
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« Reply #115 on: February 25, 2008, 04:16:45 PM »

Pat Paulson died a while ago.  Maybe we could clone him?   :nixweiss:
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« Reply #116 on: February 25, 2008, 06:49:48 PM »

Pat Paulson died a while ago.  Maybe we could clone him?   :nixweiss:

How bout Robin Williams ?

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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #117 on: February 25, 2008, 10:15:02 PM »

OK, for all those who weren't happy with the McCain/Billary/Obama choices, according to my morning newspaper Mr. Ralph Nader has heard your anguished cries and has agreed once more to step into the breech for the good of the country.  Hot Damn!

Jerry

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« Reply #118 on: February 25, 2008, 10:17:12 PM »

...or Ralph Nader !! :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: Oops :'(
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Re: The field narrows, McCain, Hillary, Obama.
« Reply #119 on: February 25, 2008, 10:26:50 PM »

Carter was a good man, just not up to the job he took on. He wasn't ready for the dishonest crooks he'd have to deal with, and didn't stand up the foreign enemies. For many years after he left office he went around the nation helping build Habitat For Humanity houses, even some of his old staff worked with him. Out pastor at our church worked with Him in NY on a house.



Like I said in the top 5 worst president of modern times......I like to give credit for intentions but he has even tainted his self proclaimed moral supremacy

with his dealings with the Arab banks and the scandals that followed him......got a lot of suspicious loans from foreigners to bale out the the family peanut

farm as I remember and then turned on Israel, lots of claims of antisemitism and he has surely lost it if you have heard him speak lately.

My biggest disappointment ever in politics.  Maybe he will be remembered as the really bad president that cared for poor people and helped them them

build houses.  (oh bye the way  Jimmy Carter did not start habitat for Humanity, just helped the cause)
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« Reply #120 on: February 25, 2008, 10:35:37 PM »

No sane man wants to be President and no insane man can be, so what that leaves us is what we've got before us. The OWG as Grampadoc calls him,.  the witch ,bitch or whatever you want to call her and Osama slama jama bin Bama.  Looks like the OWG in a landslide - - - - -especially if he picks Condi Rice as his VP. (you heard that here first folks by the way) 

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« Reply #121 on: February 25, 2008, 10:41:41 PM »

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« Reply #122 on: February 25, 2008, 10:52:43 PM »

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« Reply #131 on: February 26, 2008, 11:57:39 AM »

 :vrolijk27: :rolleyes3: :zstupid: Hang tight Jim, help is on the way!!  We'll be riding before ya know it  ;)

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« Reply #132 on: February 26, 2008, 12:02:11 PM »

How bout Robin Williams ?

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Compared to what's running?  Yeah. 

He could dress like leaders of state from foreign countries & riff on them in meetings.  Bet he would do a killer Putin.
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« Reply #133 on: February 28, 2008, 10:28:52 AM »

[quote auothor=SPIDERMAN link=topic=20285.msg335343#msg335343 date=1203996937]
   Looks like the OWG in a landslide - - - - -especially if he picks Condi Rice as his VP. (you heard that here first folks by the way) 

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« Reply #134 on: February 28, 2008, 07:19:20 PM »

Hey that was my prediction early in the thread, but I'll cut you some slack for not reading the whole thread.  Doc

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« Reply #135 on: February 28, 2008, 10:53:28 PM »

I owe you a beer next time I see you at the Hideout.


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Deal, but I do recall maybe I didn't give a specific face to OWG because there were so many early on. Rode up to the Hideout a couple of weeks ago on a Wednesday and they were closed, hit Julian for some apple pie though. It was a nice day but I read in the paper 79 was closed the next day due to a snow blizzard. :o How are you mid week for spontaneous stuff, there is a lot about that area I'd like to explore. Doc
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« Reply #136 on: February 29, 2008, 02:40:38 PM »

Deal, but I do recall maybe I didn't give a specific face to OWG because there were so many early on. Rode up to the Hideout a couple of weeks ago on a Wednesday and they were closed, hit Julian for some apple pie though. It was a nice day but I read in the paper 79 was closed the next day due to a snow blizzard. :o How are you mid week for spontaneous stuff, there is a lot about that area I'd like to explore. Doc

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« Reply #137 on: March 03, 2008, 09:07:01 PM »

How we'd really like to see the debates:

http://www.break.com/index/hillary-farts-during-debate.html

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