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Exhaust Systems 3 for the Road
« on: April 20, 2005, 09:51:29 PM »

Heads up,  June issue of (can I say it?) American Rider tested the BUB,  D&D,   and BASSANI on a dynamometer.
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Re: Exhaust Systems 3 for the Road
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2005, 10:31:25 PM »

I forgot to add that the test was done on a 103 Stock Block Bagger with Mackie 630 cams.
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Re: Exhaust Systems 3 for the Road
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2005, 01:44:51 AM »

Care to share the results?

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Re: Exhaust Systems 3 for the Road
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2005, 07:25:06 AM »

hd-dudeThe Max Torque of the Bubs was 108.97, HP 118.51.           D&D Fat Cats Max Torque  115.39  HP  122.04.   Bassani Road Rage 2 into 1 Max. Torque 107.76  HP  116.81.  The D&D out performe the others from 2200 RPM to 6000 RPM With the biggest gains at the lower RPM range with no dip, packing 93.89 lbs of torque at the 3000 Rpm range, and get this, riding 2 up loaded down averaged a little more than 45 MPG. This test bike has got a six speed tranny, maybe why the gas mileage was so good.  don
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Re: Exhaust Systems 3 for the Road
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2005, 12:58:53 PM »

I read that article last night. Good article. If anyone wants it, I could scan it in tonight. (Unless you want to Don...don't want to step on your toes). Anyway, let me know.
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Re: Exhaust Systems 3 for the Road
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2005, 01:01:31 PM »

Laker

please do!
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Re: Exhaust Systems 3 for the Road
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2005, 01:11:18 PM »

Very good article on the 103.
« Last Edit: April 21, 2005, 01:22:51 PM by JCZ »
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Re: Exhaust Systems 3 for the Road
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2005, 01:17:34 PM »

Those are impressive number's!
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Re: Exhaust Systems 3 for the Road
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2005, 01:52:16 PM »

Very impressive #'s indeed!. Did they say if it was a stock 103 or did it have performance cams, ect?

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Re: Exhaust Systems 3 for the Road
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2005, 02:02:50 PM »

Laker   Go ahead and send it out cause my scaner is down. Thanks JCZ for pullin on the strings of the magazine folks.  don
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Re: Exhaust Systems 3 for the Road
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2005, 02:45:49 PM »

I'd like a copy if you are able to scan it.
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Re: Exhaust Systems 3 for the Road
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2005, 03:06:46 PM »

No problem guys. I will get to it tonight. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
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Re: Exhaust Systems 3 for the Road
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2005, 05:29:14 PM »

It's the newest issue of American Rider Magazine.  If you're not familuar with it, it's a magazine with a lot of good, useful technical information for riders (not necessarily custom builders or drag bike guys) without all the girly stuff.  Not making a judgement call there......you guys know I like the babes......just telling you about the magazine.

Also, if you write a letter to them, don't be surprised to see it get printed (let's thank them for all the articles their doing on the 103" motor) and those that don't get printed often get a reply via email.  I was surprised to actually get several emails from the editor himself.
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Re: Exhaust Systems 3 for the Road
« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2005, 08:18:33 PM »

pg 1
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« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2005, 08:19:12 PM »

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Re: Exhaust Systems 3 for the Road
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2005, 08:19:45 PM »

pg 3
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Re: Exhaust Systems 3 for the Road
« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2005, 08:21:45 PM »

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« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2005, 08:22:16 PM »

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« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2005, 08:22:54 PM »

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Re: Exhaust Systems 3 for the Road
« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2005, 01:08:54 AM »

Thanks for posting the article, very interesting. I wonder how the D&D would compare to the Freedom version of the Bub Reinharts? [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

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Re: Exhaust Systems 3 for the Road
« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2005, 01:32:12 AM »

" oh yes.........by the way, I have a slightly used Vance & Hines Pro Pipe for sale and would like to know where I can buy the D&D Fat Cat"
I dunno, JC, they didn't compare the pro pipe to the D&D...I would like to see that comparo. We'll have to ask the dyno guy what he thinks [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
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Re: Exhaust Systems 3 for the Road
« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2005, 08:19:35 AM »

Sounds to me like I need to add a set of cams to the scooter.
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Re: Exhaust Systems 3 for the Road
« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2005, 10:59:32 AM »

Is their any legal issues this site should be concerned with when scanning a magazines pages and posting them? don't want to see this site go away, do you need permission or something?
Hey guys I'm running the D&D Fat Cat with the performance baffle and my dyno sheet has been posted here (dyno thread), my numbers are not much different then anybody else's that have had them dialed in properly!!!  (my numbers 100 hp 103 torque) I'll bet that even if you go buy the Mackie cam and have him touch up your 103+ heads (not the stock 103 heads) similiarly you probably won't see the same results without 100+ hours in the dyno room!!! I will add that I like the way the pipe looks, sounds and performs and to boot it cost less than most of the competition. I paid $650 delivered  (direct from manufacturer) can be had for less on the web!!! [smiley=bigok.gif]

I want to add that what they mention about the torque coming in early is very true a friend rode my scooter after getting off his 95" TC and praised the fact that in any gear at any rpm he could grab a handful of throttle and the bike would respond without hesitation (I like that myself)
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Re: Exhaust Systems 3 for the Road
« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2005, 11:03:56 PM »

O Fender  Do No about if it's a no no to copy the artical on the site, but maybe it will create more sales. I'm worse than a kid at a candy shop when my AMERICAN RIDER comes in the mail. They got some very good stuff in the mag.  I went and got my dyno sheet to the SERK and compared it to the test bike. The SERK started out at 78 torque lbs and stayed ahead ot the Fat Cats till the 3000 rpm at 91 lbs. I was kinda surprised because the SERK engin is stock except for the se hi flow,  se stag 1 down load & se mufflers for racing only (ha ha). I may be shopping for some of them Fat Cats. don
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Re: Exhaust Systems 3 for the Road
« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2005, 08:45:21 AM »

Just ordered a D&D Fat Cat for my '05 SEEG. I am going to have my bike dyno'd at 500 miles "stock". I will then add the D&D 2 into 1 exhaust, Power Commander and Screaming Eagle air cleaner and have it dyno tuned. I will post both dyno sheets as they become available. I was just about ready to order the rineharts when my issue of American Rider arrived. I hope I'm not making a mistake. D&D's should be here on Friday!!
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Re: Exhaust Systems 3 for the Road
« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2005, 11:26:03 AM »

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Is their any legal issues this site should be concerned with when scanning a magazines pages and posting them? don't want to see this site go away, do you need permission or something?
Hey guys I'm running the D&D Fat Cat with the performance baffle and my dyno sheet has been posted here (dyno thread), my numbers are not much different then anybody else's that have had them dialed in properly!!!
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Re: Exhaust Systems 3 for the Road
« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2005, 02:51:05 PM »

After posting the last post, I thought I better shoot Buz an email asking him about this.  Here is Buz's response:


Hi JC.  Of course I do remember you.  Thanks for sharing this.  It's all very
interesting to see the responses from owners of the model.  No problem about posting
the article, although technically (from a legal standpoint) you should always get
permission first.  However, I hereby grant you a blanket authorization to post this
and future AR articles on the CVO website only.

I have not received any of this feedback on that particular story, and I'd love to
share it with my readers in our letters column.

Thanks.  I am very glad that you enjoy the magazine and that it's giving the kind of
information that readers find useful.

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So, in the future, as long as it's positive and going to help us and them (American Rider Magazine), we have carte blanch on scanning and posting their articles ON THIS WEB SITE ONLY!  Now how is that for a magazine paying attention to us, the consumer!  O.K. folks, he'd like to see letters to print in his magazine please let him know what you guys think about this articles and others regarding our bike.
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Re: Exhaust Systems 3 for the Road
« Reply #27 on: April 26, 2005, 03:16:49 PM »

JC. Could you please post his email address for those that wish to send a letter? Thanks.  
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« Reply #30 on: April 27, 2005, 10:59:07 AM »

I just proved that the baffles you have in your Rineharts make a huge difference in performance.  Went from the standard 2-1/4" baffles to the performance 2-1/2" baffles and after dyno-tuning hp went from 110 to 119.8, and tq went from 110 to 114.5.  Not bad for an $80 set of baffles.   I can't tell that they are any louder than the stock baffles, but the exhaust note has a lower tone...I like it!
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« Reply #31 on: April 27, 2005, 12:37:07 PM »

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« Reply #33 on: June 21, 2005, 01:52:51 PM »

Just noticed that JCZ letter to American Rider thanking them for this article was published in the latest issue. Way to go JC!!  [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
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« Reply #34 on: June 21, 2005, 02:44:47 PM »

TALLYKING - please post if you would weither it was a DYNOJET - or SUPERFLOW dyno with those results - there is a significant difference in as much how both calculate readings - must compare apples to apples, myself do not need to see the sheet as much as knowing which piece of equipment those results were ran on - could almost guess it with those readings but would like you to post please
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« Reply #35 on: June 22, 2005, 01:27:40 PM »

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« Reply #36 on: June 22, 2005, 01:44:02 PM »

SE-264   P/N 25133-04    Lift: .635"/.635"    Duration:   264
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Re: Exhaust Systems 3 for the Road
« Reply #39 on: June 22, 2005, 08:51:41 PM »

Yeah, JC........I saw your letter to the editor in the latest issue of American Rider.....put a smile on my face to see that they published it for you.......and glad that the rehabilitation is going so well.  Hang tough, the time will come soon enough that you'll be in the saddle and feeling/hearing the vibs/sounds of the scooter.    [smiley=biker.gif]  Har!  spyder
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« Reply #40 on: June 23, 2005, 06:26:22 AM »

Your the man JC. Was't for sure if that was your e-mail to American Iron, but I know that it is now. THANKS       don
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« Reply #41 on: June 25, 2005, 05:55:38 AM »

Great article in American Rider. I picked a copy up while in Austin at the ROT ralley.
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« Reply #42 on: July 02, 2005, 11:39:18 PM »

Wondering were I can get the best price on the D&D Fat Cats. J&P catlog is the only place I have found a price, around $650.00     thanks don
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« Reply #44 on: July 06, 2005, 06:39:23 PM »

Right on FATBOY. I can get them for 563.00 at direct. Thanks a lot      don
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Re: Exhaust Systems 3 for the Road
« Reply #45 on: July 06, 2005, 07:12:51 PM »

There is something missing here.  How did they get 630 lift cams in a stock 103??  The head valve springs are only rated at 570??  There must have been some head work done as well.
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« Reply #46 on: July 12, 2005, 12:13:47 PM »

I think he posted the heads were changed to SE PRO+ [smiley=beerchug.gif]
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