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[blowncobra]

Had an oppurtunity to pose the 110 problem question to Wille G andd the techs yesterday at the Gatornationals in Gainesville FL- Short answer what problems? Long answer, we have it under control for the small number of units that have seen problems, and are correcting any and all under the warranty provisions. OKIE DOKIE. They also relate a great deal of problems to modifications owners have made and poor engine management tunes? For what it's worth.

[naitram]

blame the customer....... big surprise there

[Hoist!]

Had an oppurtunity to pose the 110 problem question to Wille G andd the techs yesterday at the Gatornationals in Gainesville FL- Short answer what problems? Long answer, we have it under control for the small number of units that have seen problems, and are correcting any and all under the warranty provisions. OKIE DOKIE. They also relate a great deal of problems to modifications owners have made and poor engine management tunes? For what it's worth.

Bingo!!! Classic Co line!!! Thanks Willie the Ostrich!!! Sell us an untested POS engine on your flagship bikes, then blame your best customers for causing the problem!!! Yeah, you really got my respect now!!! Take your BS and your w.....ty and stick it where the sun don't shine!!!

What a piece of work. Some set of balls!!! You guys should be completely insulted by that type of comment. I know I am! FTF and FTW!!!

Hoist!

[RJ749]

blame the customer....... big surprise there

That's always the best approach.    are they thinking.  That's why I bought a SEEG, trust me, I never (seldom) buy used anything but until they get their chit figured out I'm not buying a new Harley.

[Steve_G]

Can you say, "DENIAL"?  -I know you can.  

[Hoist!]

Can you say, "DENIAL"?  -I know you can.  

Yeah, I think Willie the Ostrich must live in Egypt!!!

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[RJ749]

Yeah, I think Willie the Ostrich must live in Egypt!!!

Hoist!

If he does he wouldn't be riding a 110, ..............too friggin' hot

[DCFIREMANN]

Well for 2 cents worth here we go. I don't blame the MOCO I blame BIG BROTHER! You see the MOCO gave the customer what they wanted. Thats right BIGGER AND BETTER. Yep we want a bigger engine. So you got it. The problem is BIG BROTHER says it will only put out X amount of emissions. Yep I know what we are all going to say. What a CROCK OF S$%T!!!!!! Yep I also agree.

The day I picked up my SEEG and rode ole Punkin home I could not believe the amount of heat that came off of the engine. Not knowing a lot about the fuelies at the time I made a few calls and was very well educated on the problem. These motors are way tooooo lean. Most of the guys on here know that and take things into their own hands. Yep A/C, pipes and fuel management. After that very few problems till we found the dreaded chain tensioners. Hence the gear driven cams and fueling oil pump and lifters and pushrods and roller rockers ECT,ECT,ECT!

So just to go on record here. QUIT YOUR DAMN WHINING!!!!! You knew of the problems, picked up the extended warranty and refused to make any changes to keep warranty intact.

So tell me people how does your extended warranty work??? How does it feel to sit home and watch some boring baseball while all of your riding buddies are out riding. Oh and I forgot your bike is in the shop waiting on warranty work!!!!!

Not to be so damn brutal but we all know of MOST of the problems with our bikes. Bottom line is if you want a CVO plan on spending your good hard earned cash to buy it and some more hard earned cash to make it really yours.

Remember THE DAWG loves you all. Bottom line is owning a CVO is like buying another house.

Be Safe

THE DAWG
  

[Hoist!]

Well for 2 cents worth here we go. I don't blame the MOCO I blame BIG BROTHER! You see the MOCO gave the customer what they wanted. Thats right BIGGER AND BETTER. Yep we want a bigger engine. So you got it. The problem is BIG BROTHER says it will only put out X amount of emissions. Yep I know what we are all going to say. What a CROCK OF S$%T!!!!!! Yep I also agree.

The day I picked up my SEEG and rode ole Punkin home I could not believe the amount of heat that came off of the engine. Not knowing a lot about the fuelies at the time I made a few calls and was very well educated on the problem. These motors are way tooooo lean. Most of the guys on here know that and take things into their own hands. Yep A/C, pipes and fuel management. After that very few problems till we found the dreaded chain tensioners. Hence the gear driven cams and fueling oil pump and lifters and pushrods and roller rockers ECT,ECT,ECT!

So just to go on record here. QUIT YOUR DAMN WHINING!!!!! You knew of the problems, picked up the extended warranty and refused to make any changes to keep warranty intact.

So tell me people how does your extended warranty work??? How does it feel to sit home and watch some boring baseball while all of your riding buddies are out riding. Oh and I forgot your bike is in the shop waiting on warranty work!!!!!

Not to be so damn brutal but we all know of MOST of the problems with our bikes. Bottom line is if you want a CVO plan on spending your good hard earned cash to buy it and some more hard earned cash to make it really yours.

Remember THE DAWG loves you all. Bottom line is owning a CVO is like buying another house.

Be Safe

THE DAWG
  

DAWG, I agree with your assessment of what needs to be done. This ain't nothing new. HD's solution to EPA has always been "make it leaner" going back to sealing off the mixture screws on CV carbs on EVO's. The '98 Evo was my first taste of their effort on an FI bike. That was just as bad, if not worse, as what they do today. That bike ran so hot it was unbelievable. I sold it after only one month and went back to a carb.

But the 110's problems of leaking and breaking are only a result of an underengineered and untested product, that they have their best customers do that testing for them in the field. Us! Then they take their sweet ass time and minimal cost to attempt the cheapest assed repairs they could come up with.

I saw this right away, blew them off, and built my own. But put the leaness aside, they still owe their customers a reliable engine, and failed miserably there with the 110! That's not the customer's fault, and shouldn't be their problem. I do agree, that if you want it right, don't wait or look for HD to provide that! Still sucks for those that nerver counted on that!

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[MUFFMAN]

You got that right about the FI. I had an 02 with carb(changed to a Mikuni)" built to a 95". Nothing too elaborate but I got 108hp out of it. It was faster albeit lighter than what I drive now. And to get that amount of power cost me half what I had to do to achieve roughly the same HP.

[skreminegul07]

Well for 2 cents worth here we go. I don't blame the MOCO I blame BIG BROTHER! You see the MOCO gave the customer what they wanted. Thats right BIGGER AND BETTER. Yep we want a bigger engine. So you got it. The problem is BIG BROTHER says it will only put out X amount of emissions. Yep I know what we are all going to say. What a CROCK OF S$%T!!!!!! Yep I also agree.

The day I picked up my SEEG and rode ole Punkin home I could not believe the amount of heat that came off of the engine. Not knowing a lot about the fuelies at the time I made a few calls and was very well educated on the problem. These motors are way tooooo lean. Most of the guys on here know that and take things into their own hands. Yep A/C, pipes and fuel management. After that very few problems till we found the dreaded chain tensioners. Hence the gear driven cams and fueling oil pump and lifters and pushrods and roller rockers ECT,ECT,ECT!

So just to go on record here. QUIT YOUR DAMN WHINING!!!!! You knew of the problems, picked up the extended warranty and refused to make any changes to keep warranty intact.

So tell me people how does your extended warranty work??? How does it feel to sit home and watch some boring baseball while all of your riding buddies are out riding. Oh and I forgot your bike is in the shop waiting on warranty work!!!!!

Not to be so damn brutal but we all know of MOST of the problems with our bikes. Bottom line is if you want a CVO plan on spending your good hard earned cash to buy it and some more hard earned cash to make it really yours.

Remember THE DAWG loves you all. Bottom line is owning a CVO is like buying another house.

Be Safe

THE DAWG
  

Totally disagree.  I bought a very early pre leaker that also had a bad crank.  No modifications of any kind were made.  Would not have bought it if I knew it would get new head gaskets, cylinders every other oil change.  I say every other, because between gasket changes, they changed the whole engine and tranny for the crank issue and various other leaks.
 
TRIVIA Question for Willie G.
What do they change more often, the design of the gaskets or the specs for crank runout?

If I bought a 2008 with all this data out there then yes, I am stupid.  But no, I would not have invested in this fiasco of a product.  Screw Willie G.  With the stock at $34 he's lost half his money this year.

[skreminegul07]

Had an oppurtunity to pose the 110 problem question to Wille G andd the techs yesterday at the Gatornationals in Gainesville FL- Short answer what problems? Long answer, we have it under control for the small number of units that have seen problems, and are correcting any and all under the warranty provisions. OKIE DOKIE. They also relate a great deal of problems to modifications owners have made and poor engine management tunes? For what it's worth.

If he said that to me, I would have replied, "Small number of units, eh?  Then why redesign the head gaskets at leat 4 times?"  What a load of bullcrap!

This pisses me off to no end.   

[blowncobra]

Totally disagree.  I bought a very early pre leaker that also had a bad crank.  No modifications of any kind were made.  Would not have bought it if I knew it would get new head gaskets, cylinders every other oil change.  I say every other, because between gasket changes, they changed the whole engine and tranny for the crank issue and various other leaks.
 
TRIVIA Question for Willie G.
What do they change more often, the design of the gaskets or the specs for crank runout?

If I bought a 2008 with all this data out there then yes, I am stupid.  But no, I would not have invested in this fiasco of a product.  Screw Willie G.  With the stock at $34 he's lost half his money this year.

I always wondered why that MAKE A DONATION button on the page header above is right below the HD stock ticker! Hmmm maybe a conspiracy 

[JDOFLHRIDER]

Well i just left dealer and they finally had the torque plates to check my new cly's and they were off and out of spec and need at least bored .010 over to straighten. The motor man there said thats why he wouldn't assemble my motor till he had the torque plates. Maybee it's thats not a wide spread problem either.Just be careful when you get new cly's guys.RIDE SAFE JDO

[skreminegul07]

Well i just left dealer and they finally had the torque plates to check my new cly's and they were off and out of spec and need at least bored .010 over to straighten. The motor man there said thats why he wouldn't assemble my motor till he had the torque plates. Maybee it's thats not a wide spread problem either.Just be careful when you get new cly's guys.RIDE SAFE JDO

Maybe there is no Chinese translation for the word "QUALITY"  not chop chop!