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Re: Financial Meltdown?!
« Reply #270 on: September 17, 2008, 05:21:27 PM »

:2vrolijk_21:  Well said.   If each of us decides to apply his or her own standards to each thread, and then hijack the ones we don't like, this place is going to go straight in the dumper.  For instance, I've never cared much for Softails, so I guess I could highjack all the Softail threads.  Of course, the Softail guys would most likely retaliate by highjacking the threads I do like.  

Stick to the rules of posting and let the mods decide which, if any, posts or threads get the heave-ho.  If the membership wants to start it's own censorship through highjack, then we at least need to have equal representation.  Highjacking just the threads that attack the Shrub and his rich cronies, or that support a more liberal view in general, is just a tad highhanded in my opinion.  If it's going to be mob rule, we should at least agree to import enough liberals and moderates to make it a fair fight.

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Re: Financial Meltdown?!
« Reply #271 on: September 17, 2008, 05:22:07 PM »

From the Wall Street Journal Online:

10 Ways to Protect Your Finances From the Crisis
by Brett Arends
Monday, September 15, 2008
 
Here are ten things that this financial panic means for you.

1. Check that your bank accounts are federally insured. The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) guarantees deposits up to $100,000 per person. If you have to hold more than that, spread it across multiple banks. As a taxpayer you are paying for this insurance. Use it.

2. Make sure your brokerage accounts are federally insured, too. The Securities Investor Protection Corporation (SIPC) guarantees you at places like Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch, E-Trade and the like up to $500,000, including $100,000 worth of cash. The same rules apply: If you have more to invest, spread it across multiple firms. Note: The SIPC is only there to make sure you get your shares and bonds back if a brokerage fails. It does not, obviously, guarantee those investments' value.

3. Put money in thy purse. If this market and this economy get any tougher, cash isn't just going to be king any more. It's going to be king, queen, emperor, lord high chamberlain, and the whole court – including the royal cat and crazy prince Ruprecht locked in the attic. The easiest way to make or find a buck is to save it. So take an axe to those family budgets. The restaurant meals. The Super Duper Everything Cable package. The rip-off checking account with the high fees and low interest. It's all costing you.

4. Set up a home equity line of credit while you still can. I usually don't like advising people to take on more debt, but if access to ready cash might be a life saver it's best to line it up. That's especially true if you are worried about your job. Credit is already tight, and it may get a lot tighter still.

5. Refinance your mortgage. The panic on Wall Street just caused a collapse in the interest rate on long-term US Treasury bonds, as lots of investors rushed there for safety. And that usually leads to a fall in long-term mortgage rates.

6. Stop pulling a Monty Python when it comes to your worst investments. If you ever saw John Cleese and Michael Palin perform their famous skit about the dead parrot, you know exactly what I mean. No, your Fannie Mae shares aren't "resting." They're lying at the bottom of the cage with their feet in the air. What more do you need to know? So stop waiting for them to "recover" before sorting out your portfolio.

7. Don't panic. Journalists, like markets, tend to move in herds. And by the nature of their jobs they write about the plane that crashes instead of the thousands that land safely. Remember, too, that pundits want to seem really wise by putting on serious expressions and saying things like "we don't know how this thing is going to play out," and "the situation could get a lot worse". Bah. Guess what? We never know how things are going to play out. And the situation could get a lot better too. That's the future for you.

8. When it comes to your short-term money needs, nothing has changed. Any money you might need within the next year or two should be held in cash or equivalents. That was true two years ago and it is true now. The stock market is no home for money you may need urgently. It could fall 30% or jump 30%. Nobody knows. You can get a one year CD paying 5% right now, and it's federally guaranteed.

9. If you are investing for five years or more, buy some stock. The investment outlook is much, much better today than it has been for several years, because shares are much cheaper. World markets overall have fallen 27% from last year's peak. They're not a steal at current levels but they are not particularly expensive either. Invest globally. Vanguard Total World Stock gives you the whole world and low fees. If you are looking for a value focus, Morningstar analyst Bridget Hughes likes Oakmark Global. Another good one is Tweedy, Browne's new Worldwide High Dividend Yield Value. The list is not comprehensive. Remember: I am not trying to call the bottom of the market. Things could fall quite a bit further ahead. No one knows. So only invest little, often, and broadly.

10. If you want to worry about anything, worry about your taxes. The worse this crisis gets, the more they will end up putting the taxpayer on the hook to prevent a meltdown. Taxes are going up sooner or later anyway, no matter who wins the election, because of our gigantic federal deficits. (If you think Lehman Brothers was bad, you should look at Uncle Sam). And you can forget about any talk of tax breaks. Oh, and if you want a break from worrying about taxes, worry about Treasury bonds. Deficits won't do anything good for them.

Write to Brett Arends at brett.arends@wsj.com
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Re: Financial Meltdown?!
« Reply #272 on: September 17, 2008, 05:25:25 PM »

........................ Then everyone can go back to blaming me for everything again, ........................
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I wasn't aware that we ever stopped that.  :nixweiss:

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Re: Financial Meltdown?!
« Reply #273 on: September 17, 2008, 08:22:58 PM »


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Re: Financial Meltdown?!
« Reply #274 on: September 17, 2008, 08:45:38 PM »

I wasn't aware that we ever stopped that.   :nixweiss:

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Re: Financial Meltdown?!
« Reply #275 on: September 17, 2008, 08:54:55 PM »

What is sad is that much of this mess we're in right now could have been prevented with a little regulation of the financial markets/companies.  No political sides taken in this statement, but McCain said Monday that the economy was "fundamentally sound", then changed the tune the next day to "some regulation may be needed", when the government (taxpayers) had to bail out AIG to the tune of serveral tens of billions.

The foxes have been guarding the chickens for too long, and now the chickens are running around without heads.

And you can't blame the average citizen for taking a sub prime loan when offered.  These are not dumb people that were taking the loans, but were being advised to "invest" their money into a home that was too big for them, as they were being told it would do nothing but increase in value and they'd have no trouble making a profit or refinancing "by the time the ARM jumps up".
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Re: Financial Meltdown?!
« Reply #276 on: September 17, 2008, 09:06:20 PM »

What is sad is that much of this mess we're in right now could have been prevented with a little regulation of the financial markets/companies.  No political sides taken in this statement, but McCain said Monday that the economy was "fundamentally sound", then changed the tune the next day to "some regulation may be needed", when the government (taxpayers) had to bail out AIG to the tune of serveral tens of billions.

The foxes have been guarding the chickens for too long, and now the chickens are running around without heads.

And you can't blame the average citizen for taking a sub prime loan when offered.  These are not dumb people that were taking the loans, but were being advised to "invest" their money into a home that was too big for them, as they were being told it would do nothing but increase in value and they'd have no trouble making a profit or refinancing "by the time the ARM jumps up".

Hmmm...Terry - not so sure I can agree with that...  I never claimed to be the smartest guy around, but I think I am smart enough not to buy a home I cannot afford because someone told me that story.  I have wondered for years where all the people worked who lived in the monster size new homes in my area.  I am quite sure I out-earn most of them, and there is no way I could see the wisdom in buying one of these places.  It is amazing how many of these homes are now empty.  Some have been repossessed and are being offered for sale by out of town banks for 1/2 to 2/3 the original sell price.  Seems like there were plenty of foolish buyers, plenty of greedy bankers and a severe lack of oversight that caused this....  I get unsolicited advice on how to invest my money all of the time.  Maybe I am a conservative investor, but most of the unsolicited advice I receive is laughable - including buying a home beyond my means "because it will increase in value and you can refinance later to be able to actually afford it".  Sorry but like I said - I may not be the smartest guy around - but apparently I am smart enough...   :nixweiss:
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Re: Financial Meltdown?!
« Reply #277 on: September 17, 2008, 09:27:30 PM »

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Re: Financial Meltdown?!
« Reply #278 on: September 17, 2008, 09:32:07 PM »

What is sad is that much of this mess we're in right now could have been prevented with a little regulation of the financial markets/companies.  No political sides taken in this statement, but McCain said Monday that the economy was "fundamentally sound", then changed the tune the next day to "some regulation may be needed", when the government (taxpayers) had to bail out AIG to the tune of serveral tens of billions.

The foxes have been guarding the chickens for too long, and now the chickens are running around without heads.

And you can't blame the average citizen for taking a sub prime loan when offered.  These are not dumb people that were taking the loans, but were being advised to "invest" their money into a home that was too big for them, as they were being told it would do nothing but increase in value and they'd have no trouble making a profit or refinancing "by the time the ARM jumps up".


I'm with SADUNBAR on this one.
I also am not the brightest bulb on the tree so when I read money advice I check out the one giving it and see how financially solid their house is.
So many are eager to announce "this is what you need to do" but upon close inspection their own finances are in shambles.
So who do you follow, the guy that talks good advice or the guy that lives it.
It's an easy decision for me!

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« Reply #279 on: September 17, 2008, 10:35:40 PM »


I'm with SADUNBAR on this one.
I also am not the brightest bulb on the tree so when I read money advice I check out the one giving it and see how financially solid their house is.
So many are eager to announce "this is what you need to do" but upon close inspection their own finances are in shambles.
So who do you follow, the guy that talks good advice or the guy that lives it.
It's an easy decision for me!

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Add my voice to the two above.
The same people who preach to the small investor to ride out the storm are the one's causing the crash by selling.
They want us to stay in so they can recover some of their losses from us.
If the big guys practiced what they preached, there wouldn't be a crash.
Stocks go up when more people want to buy than there are shares available. They go down when there's more sellers than buyers.
As to people buying more house than they need because the back would finance it, that's about as dumb as it gets.
You buy what you can afford and if some of your "friends" look down on you for having a smaller house etc than them, you get new friends not a bigger house. Same goes for cars, motorcycles, boats whatever. If you can't afford it you don't buy it. Simple rule to live by.

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Re: Financial Meltdown?!
« Reply #280 on: September 17, 2008, 10:38:52 PM »

If you can't afford it you don't buy it. Simple rule to live by.

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So who do you follow, the guy that talks good advice or the guy that lives it.
It's an easy decision for me!

Speaking of the man that lives it!

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« Reply #281 on: September 17, 2008, 10:39:06 PM »

Add my voice to the two above.
The same people who preach to the small investor to ride out the storm are the one's causing the crash by selling.
They want us to stay in so they can recover some of their losses from us.
If the big guys practiced what they preached, there wouldn't be a crash.
Stocks go up when more people want to buy than there are shares available. They go down when there's more sellers than buyers.
As to people buying more house than they need because the back would finance it, that's about as dumb as it gets.
You buy what you can afford and if some of your "friends" look down on you for having a smaller house etc than them, you get new friends not a bigger house. Same goes for cars, motorcycles, boats whatever. If you can't afford it you don't buy it. Simple rule to live by.

B B

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« Reply #282 on: September 17, 2008, 10:48:19 PM »

That's not my point, and I'm not disagreeing with anyone at a personal level...I too could have bought way more house than I could have even afforded to furnish.  However, most of us here are at least 40+ years old, and grew up with a different mindset regarding these kinds of things.  I'm generalizing here, but take a young family in their late 20's or 30's (different generation), making a good living, out looking for perhaps their second home for their growing family.  They get "pre-approved" for a mortgage that is 2 times what they thought they could be approved for.  They get emotionally involved in the house.  They are not dumb people, or they would not have the good jobs they have.  They have every reason to think their income will be increasing over the next 3-5 years, which happens to be the time frame for most ARM's.  Their parents may even live the high life, so why shouldn't they try to get there too?  They can afford the house payment at 3%, so they sign on the dotted line.  Their future's so bright, they have to wear shades.  Then the unthinkable happens...the housing bubble bursts, financial institutions, because they have not had any real "rules" to follow, collapse.  They cannot sell the home.  The ARM matures and now their house is at 7% and their payment has jumped by 1K or more per month.  They are screwed.  Bad decisions?  In hindsight, yes.  But everybody else was doing it, and they were caught up in the moment.  I'm not saying they were smart for doing what they did either.  They were caught up in the dream.

If the institutions who were lending the money had not made this possible because the standards were so loose, with little if any verification of income, and frankly not caring whether the customer could afford the REAL interest rate when it came due, because even if they foreclosed, the house would be worth more than they had invested.  Pop goes the bubble, and everyone is screwed except the one's who took the money and ran.  All their employees get screwed too.  And worst of all, we as taxpayers get screwed, because who is going to pay for the whole mess?  WE ARE!

Like the song says...'and the man in the suit has just bought a new car, on the profit he made from your dreams...'
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Re: Financial Meltdown?!
« Reply #283 on: September 17, 2008, 10:54:54 PM »



Like the song says...'and the man in the suit has just bought a new car, on the profit he made from your dreams...'
My car is 6 years old, Nancy's is 4.
Don't you have a new car?

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« Reply #284 on: September 17, 2008, 10:56:18 PM »

That's not my point, and I'm not disagreeing with anyone at a personal level...I too could have bought way more house than I could have even afforded to furnish.  However, most of us here are at least 40+ years old, and grew up with a different mindset regarding these kinds of things.  I'm generalizing here, but take a young family in their late 20's or 30's (different generation), making a good living, out looking for perhaps their second home for their growing family.  They get "pre-approved" for a mortgage that is 2 times what they thought they could be approved for.  They get emotionally involved in the house.  They are not dumb people, or they would not have the good jobs they have.  They have every reason to think their income will be increasing over the next 3-5 years, which happens to be the time frame for most ARM's.  Their parents may even live the high life, so why shouldn't they try to get there too?  They can afford the house payment at 3%, so they sign on the dotted line.  Their future's so bright, they have to wear shades.  Then the unthinkable happens...the housing bubble bursts, financial institutions, because they have not had any real "rules" to follow, collapse.  They cannot sell the home.  The ARM matures and now their house is at 7% and their payment has jumped by 1K or more per month.  They are screwed.  Bad decisions?  In hindsight, yes.  But everybody else was doing it, and they were caught up in the moment.  I'm not saying they were smart for doing what they did either.  They were caught up in the dream.

If the institutions who were lending the money had not made this possible because the standards were so loose, with little if any verification of income, and frankly not caring whether the customer could afford the REAL interest rate when it came due, because even if they foreclosed, the house would be worth more than they had invested.  Pop goes the bubble, and everyone is screwed except the one's who took the money and ran.  All their employees get screwed too.  And worst of all, we as taxpayers get screwed, because who is going to pay for the whole mess?  WE ARE!

Like the song says...'and the man in the suit has just bought a new car, on the profit he made from your dreams...'

Terry,

I think we just completely agreed...   :2vrolijk_21:

Bad decision by buyer.  Greedy lender.  Poor oversight.

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