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Sluggish
« on: September 15, 2008, 10:32:51 PM »
I've noticed before a tapping on cold start that goes away within a minute or so.  Figured it was a lifter bleeding down and pumping up after start.....and that may be another challenge.  Anyway, that went away.....for awhile.  It's back.....with a vengeance, but goes away if I allow the bike to warm at idle before riding.
Haven't been able to ride much lately.  Rode very little yesterday.......maybe ten miles, basically to Church and back with a long route home....if one considers ten miles long.

This evening I took my Sweetie out for ice cream at Sonic.  Same old, same old.  Start, taptaptaptaptap............until warm at idle, then no more tap, but it sure is sluggish.  This was REALLY bothering me.  Got home, checked the oil, one quart low.  Been 1200 miles since my last service.  I normally run about 1/2 quart low.  Put the bike on the lift, checked primary fluid level.  Good.  Pull the sump plug..........

22 ounces of oil drained out in 15 minutes, and was still "stringing" when I put the plug back in.

Sumping?  Yes?  No?  Some other challenge(s)?

Options?  Courses of action?

Thanks!
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Re: Sluggish
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2008, 05:45:56 AM »
THUMPIN you have a 103???? I see you have an 06 so unless you did any motor work I will assume it is still a 103.

The early 103's had lifter problems. Not all but some. It also sounds like your bike is wet sumping. Bad oil pump? Maybe. Bad "O" ring from the pump to the case? Maybe. What kind of oil pressure are you pushing? Good oil pressure may mean bad "O" ring. Why???? I can't tell you for sure. How many miles are on the motor? Are you hard on the motor? Hole shots with the bike? If so you may have (most likely you do) excessive crank runout. If you are not hard on the motor you may still have a crank problem!

Hope this helps.

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Re: Sluggish
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2008, 06:10:38 AM »
Thanks for the reply, Mike!

Quote from: DCFIREMANN on September 16, 2008, 05:45:56 AM
THUMPIN you have a 103???? I see you have an 06 so unless you did any motor work I will assume it is still a 103.

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Quote from: DCFIREMANN on September 16, 2008, 05:45:56 AM
The early 103's had lifter problems. Not all but some. It also sounds like your bike is wet sumping. Bad oil pump? Maybe. Bad "O" ring from the pump to the case? Maybe. What kind of oil pressure are you pushing? Good oil pressure may mean bad "O" ring. Why???? I can't tell you for sure. How many miles are on the motor? Are you hard on the motor? Hole shots with the bike? If so you may have (most likely you do) excessive crank runout. If you are not hard on the motor you may still have a crank problem!

Sounds like sumping to me as well, but wasn't sure "how" sumping occurred.  Oil Pressure is 13-15psi at idle, 38-42 at cruise.  13K miles on the motor completed a little less than a year ago.  I wouldn't say I'm hard on the motor.  No hole shots, but it does see well over 100mph occasionally.  Runout at build was .0022.

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Hope this helps. 

It did.  It educated me.  Thank you.   :2vrolijk_21:


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Re: Sluggish
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2008, 05:31:46 PM »
What kind of oil pressure does the bike have?????

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Re: Sluggish
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2008, 06:08:59 PM »
Quote from: DCFIREMANN on September 16, 2008, 05:31:46 PM
What kind of oil pressure does the bike have?????

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13-15 idle.  38-42 cruise.
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Re: Sluggish
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2008, 08:33:33 PM »
Fueling pump?????


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« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2008, 08:35:31 PM »
Disregard the last message.

The bike has good oil pressure for that pump. It might be the "O" ring that is pinched and now you are not pulling enough from the lower end.

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Re: Sluggish
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2008, 09:22:16 PM »
Quote from: DCFIREMANN on September 16, 2008, 08:35:31 PM
Disregard the last message.

The bike has good oil pressure for that pump. It might be the "O" ring that is pinched and now you are not pulling enough from the lower end.

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Re: Sluggish
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2008, 09:34:10 PM »
GOOD DEAL  keep us posted!!!!!!


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Re: Sluggish
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2008, 09:47:58 PM »
Quote from: DCFIREMANN on September 16, 2008, 09:34:10 PM
GOOD DEAL  keep us posted!!!!!!


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Re: Sluggish
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2008, 05:59:25 AM »
Gone!  At least 20 working days.
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« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2008, 09:00:20 PM »
That sucks!!!!!

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Re: Sluggish
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2008, 09:48:26 PM »
Quote from: DCFIREMANN on September 18, 2008, 09:00:20 PM
That sucks!!!!!

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Tell me about it.   :(  But it'll be OK.  We ride 'em, we break 'em, we fix 'em, we ride 'em again.   :2vrolijk_21:

I ain't diggin' this engine drama during this time of the year.  Last year was by choice.  Next year I'm gonna get me a good luck charm and pray alot when fall approaches.   :)
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Re: Sluggish
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2008, 09:58:13 AM »
Quote from: Pigs on the Wing on September 18, 2008, 09:48:26 PM
Tell me about it.   :(  But it'll be OK.  We ride 'em, we break 'em, we fix 'em, we ride 'em again.   :2vrolijk_21:

I ain't diggin' this engine drama during this time of the year.  Last year was by choice.  Next year I'm gonna get me a good luck charm and pray alot when fall approaches.   :)

Sorry to ask this Henry, but where's Dennis thruout this whole thing? We haven't heard a peep from him! He built it. I'd think he'd have something to say about it! :nixweiss:

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« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2008, 10:27:24 AM »
Quote from: Pigs on the Wing on September 18, 2008, 09:48:26 PM
Tell me about it.   :(  But it'll be OK.  We ride 'em, we break 'em, we fix 'em, we ride 'em again.   :2vrolijk_21:

I ain't diggin' this engine drama during this time of the year.  Last year was by choice.  Next year I'm gonna get me a good luck charm and pray alot when fall approaches.   :)
Sure sucks Henry.  Hope you're back in the wind very soon. 
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