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[Screamin]

And so it continues:

http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/142/story/648207.html

[planenut]

this is really starting to leave a bad taste in my mouth as i have gone to the last 2 and now having 2nd thoughts

maybe have to do outer banks bike week

[DCFIREMANN]

The Outer Banks Bike Rally is small but a lot of fun. I have been to only one and plan on going this year.

I have been going to Myrtle since 1988. I have missed the last 2 though. It was a blast back in the day before it got to crowded

Be Safe

THE DAWG

[hard10]

Many of us here instate have decided it's not worth going even for a day trip. This is a helmet optional State and for one municipality to pass a law contradicting State law sends a loud message that we are not welcome. There are much better places to ride in this state.

[MIKEYTEE]

Many of us here instate have decided it's not worth going even for a day trip. This is a helmet optional State and for one municipality to pass a law contradicting State law sends a loud message that we are not welcome. There are much better places to ride in this state.

Amen!
Mike
 

[FLYNDYNA]

When is the Outer Banks Bike Rally? I'd definitely go to that!

Flyndyna

[Fired00d]

When is the Outer Banks Bike Rally? I'd definitely go to that!

Flyndyna

Mark your calendar NOW

7th Annual Outer Banks Bike Week™

April 23-26, 2009

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[MUFFMAN]

When is the Outer Banks Bike Rally? I'd definitely go to that!

Flyndyna

In 08 it was the last weekend in April. 24, 25,26, 27.  THE MUFFMAN

[FLYNDYNA]

I am sooo there!!! Made it from Manassas, Va. to the Outer Banks once in 3 hours 18 minutes. Was driving my 1982 Dodge B150 with 318" & 4 speed floor shifter...kept baiting the young guys with the hot rod Honda CRX's and the like to pass me so's they could be my "shield"...ahhhh, the irresponsible days of old...

[MUFFMAN]

I am sooo there!!! Made it from Manassas, Va. to the Outer Banks once in 3 hours 18 minutes. Was driving my 1982 Dodge B150 with 318" & 4 speed floor shifter...kept baiting the young guys with the hot rod Honda CRX's and the like to pass me so's they could be my "shield"...ahhhh, the irresponsible days of old...

Has anyone you know been to this rally? I may want to go there in 09. THE MUFFMAN

[FLYNDYNA]

No, but there are a few members in the area, in fact Hogasm lives there...my parents used to live there, so I know the area pretty well...

[MIKEYTEE]

Has anyone you know been to this rally? I may want to go there in 09. THE MUFFMAN

Muffman,
I've been there, small rally but growing. There are good rides in the area and the people are great. I plan on going in 09. The residents are good with having the bikes there, at least it seems that way. this is a chance to build a rally. Besides we can all get Hogsam to take us fishing.
Mike
 

[FLYNDYNA]

Is it a "go" for anyone else this year? Should we post in the events thread? I figure I can at least go for two to three days, maybe longer...been awhile since I've had any Weeping Radish beer...mmmmmm 

[ccr]

Is it a "go" for anyone else this year? Should we post in the events thread? I figure I can at least go for two to three days, maybe longer...been awhile since I've had any Weeping Radish beer...mmmmmm 

Jamey and I like that Weeping Radish beer too.  mmmmmm 

When we first got back to the North American continent... some fifteen years ago or so, we had heard so much about it, this was one of first out of town trips from Fort Monroe.  In retrospect, I'm not as sure the beer was so great, or if it is one of those, if you've had a couple...

[FLYNDYNA]

Jamey and I like that Weeping Radish beer too.  mmmmmm 

When we first got back to the North American continent... some fifteen years ago or so, we had heard so much about it, this was one of first out of town trips from Fort Monroe.  In retrospect, I'm not as sure the beer was so great, or if it is one of those, if you've had a couple...

So, y'all think you might be interested? Sounds like DCFIREMANN is in...how 'bout you FiredOOd? Port O Call is a really wikkit awesome place to see live music...

[MUFFMAN]

This could work. Have to see how things are once it gets closer.  Its about 14 hours from where I live so not too far.THE MUFFMAN

[FLYNDYNA]

So, you'd most likely be coming down through Michigan and picking up 64 East...is that correct? I would be heading 95 South to 64 East. Unless I decided to take 17 South...I've done that before. Longer ride...but I wouldn't have to deal with that 95 madness...

 We'll have to keep this thread active when it gets closer to April & make some plans to get together...

[MUFFMAN]

So, you'd most likely be coming down through Michigan and picking up 64 East...is that correct? I would be heading 95 South to 64 East. Unless I decided to take 17 South...I've done that before. Longer ride...but I wouldn't have to deal with that 95 madness...

 We'll have to keep this thread active when it gets closer to April & make some plans to get together...

Crossing over the Canadian border at the Peace Bridge(New York) I would probably take US 219 to Altoona then cut across to US -30 East & go from there. Have to see which way the GPS wants to take me. THE MUFFMAN

[FLYNDYNA]

Crossing over the Canadian border at the Peace Bridge(New York) I would probably take US 219 to Altoona then cut across to US -30 East & go from there. Have to see which way the GPS wants to take me. THE MUFFMAN

Keep me informed, as 30 will give you alot of options to head south...you could jump on 15, or take 30 toward Baltimore and come down 95...15 is a nice ride...if we convince DCFIREMANN to come, you could hook up with him since 30 comes near Mount Airy...then y'all could hook up with me.

[FLYNDYNA]

I've started a thread in Events for this...Outer Banks Bike Week...

[Jock]

If the leaders of the community do not want you there then there you have it...too bad for the businesses that do...

 

[hard10]

If the leaders of the community do not want you there then there you have it...too bad for the businesses that do...

 

Jock, I'm in agreement there. If MB does not want bikers, I just won't go back. Nor will I go during the year. Business occasionally takes me up there but I can fill the truck up with diesel and eat in Georgetown just as easily as in MB. I see no need to spend another dollar up there.

[Admiral]

Too bad the original artical link you posted is no longer available.
Would like to have read it.

[pado]

It's my belief that it's only Myrtle Beach that wants us out and not NMB, Cherry Grove, Surfside, etc.  I'll still go to the places that I'm wanted !!!

[Screamin]

Too bad the original artical link you posted is no longer available.
Would like to have read it.

Sorry about that. Here's just one of many links to the crap that's going on down there. If I can find a good summary of what was passed I'll post the link here.

[Admiral]

Sorry about that. Here's just one of many links to the crap that's going on down there. If I can find a good summary of what was passed I'll post the link here.

No link !!

[hard10]

No link !!

Here: http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/bikers/story/704076.html

or here: http://www.myrtlebeachharley.com/

or here: http://www.cityofmyrtlebeach.com/newordinances.html


New Ordinances

Updated Tuesday, December 9, 2008

 
                    

The Myrtle Beach City Council approved the following ordinances on September 23, 2008.  On December 9, 2008, Council amended the effective date for some ordinances to February 28, 2009, as noted, and further amended the city's noise ordinance, as noted.  Council also set the fines for the administrative infractions at $100.

 

Some of the laws below amend existing ordinances, while others are entirely new.  Five took effect immediately, including the Noise Ordinance amendment, 2008-68, which was subsequently amended in 2008-77 to set an at-idle maximum measurement of 89 decibels for all motor vehicles.  The remaining ordinances now take effect Saturday, February 28, 2009.  Use the links below to view individual ordinances as PDF documents.

 

Ordinances 2008-57, 2008-58, 2008-59, 2008-60, 2008-77, 2008-69 and 2008-70 are laws of general application and should be read in context of the Chapter, Article and Division that they amend or supplement.  The City Code is available for comparison, but note that the new ordinances have not yet been incorporated into the existing on-line code.  Ordinance 2008-71 establishes an administrative process to handle infractions, as specified in Ordinances 2008-61, 2008-62, 2008-63, 2008-64, 2008-65, 2008-66 and 2008-67.

 

2008-57      Amend existing Nuisance law found in Chapter 10, Article II, Nuisances of the Code.  The effects of an unpermitted special event, or rally are a public nuisance against public health, public decency, peace and order, public welfare and safety and the public economy and responsible parties to be held financially responsible for public cost that result from their promotion.  (effective immediately)

 

2008-58      Amend existing Special Event law in Sections 19-127, 19-128 and 19-156 of Chapter 19, Article VI, Special Events of the Code. Those events in or adjacent to City limits, permitted or unpermitted, that impose an excessive public resource deployment are unlawful, and responsible parties are to be held financially responsible for public cost that result.  (effective immediately)

 

2008-59      New law amending Chapter 14, Article 1, Section 14-1.  No alcohol served between 2:00 a.m. and 6:00 a.m.  Business can exempt from 2:00 a. m. to 6:00 a. m. sale prohibition upon showing of policy or practice that addresses among other things underage drinking, over-serving, internal and premises security.  (effective February 28, 2009)

 

2008-60      New Law. Chapter 14, Article 1, Section 14-7.  Defrauding a restaurant is a misdemeanor.  (effective immediately)

 

2008-61      New law. Chapter 14, Article X, Sections 14-220. Infraction. Administrative process.  Short term rental, payers of accommodation tax, innkeeper or hotel check-in procedures; photo id for check-in; identification of all guests per room, identification of all vehicles; issue parking card.  (effective February 28, 2009)

 

2008-62      New law. Infraction. Chapter 14, Article X, Sections 14-221. Administrative process.  No alcohol consumption or open possession in parking areas, lots and garages.  Business shall not permit.  (effective February 28, 2009)

 

2008-63      New law. Infraction. Chapter 14, Article X, Sections 14-222. Administrative process.  Use of parking lot for non-parking activities a nuisance.  No destruction of landscaped areas by chairs, etc.  Businesses shall not permit.  (effective February 28, 2009)

 

2008-64      New law. Infraction. Chapter 14, Article X, Sections 14-223 through 14-227.  Administrative process.  Helmet and protective eyewear required for cycles and mopeds.  (effective February 28, 2009)

 

2008-65      New law. Infraction. Chapter 14, Article X, Sections 14-228 through 14-231.  Administrative process.  No trailers parked on public streets, or unlicensed private lots.  (effective February 28, 2009)

 

2008-66      New law. Infraction. Chapter 14, Article X, Sections 14-232 through 14-235.   Administrative infraction.  Convenience store and premises security.  (effective February 28, 2009)

 

2008-67      New law. Infraction. Chapter 14, Article X, Sections 14-236 through 14-239.  Administrative process.  Minor or Juvenile Curfew:  1:00 a.m. to 6:00 a.m.  (effective February 28, 2009)

 

2008-77      Amend existing Noise law found in Chapter 14, Article X, Sections 14-240.  No loud mufflers; EPA labeling required, or maximum 89 decibels allowed at idle measurement.  (effective immediately)

 

2008-69      Amend existing law in Chapter 14, Article V, Section 14-85, adding section (b) (10).  No loitering on commercial lots after hours, or when posted.  (effective immediately)

 

2008-70      Amend existing law in Chapter 12, Article III, Division 1, by adding Section 12- 102:  only 2 motorcycles per public parking space; Chapter 12, Article III, Division 2, Repeal deactivation of meters for bike parking.  (effective February 28, 2009)

 

2008-71      New law to enact Chapter 14, Article X, Sections 14-200 through 14-and/or reserve 14-219.  Creation of administrative hearing process for disposition of infractions.  (effective February 28, 2009)

[LarryB]

All the stuff going on the MB really disturbs me as read into the idea the WE are not wanted there. Read a news blurb about changes awhile back and saw a different angle.
we all know the issues that brought this to a head so I will leave as is but after reading these changes, I have a different view.
I hope my feeling is right but, I don't think it's that WE are not wanted. all those laws I have NO problem with. good safety issues, if they were imposed 10 yrs ago we would not be talking about it. I know "the Man makes laws to keep us down" well at 50 +years old, I am the man.
I see that the underlying message is BBB needs to move on and this is the only way they can achieve it.
Have you ever talked to business owners in MB. Last year I ate lunch next to a lady from the chamber of commerce. could not have been nicer. The Issue and only issue is BBB.
Sorry but true

[Screamin]

I disagree on a bunch of that. WE includes all riders. WE have stupid riders across the board that brings on this chit. WE were young once and did some stupid things but WE either paid the price or got away w/ it. WE, at least me, doesn't want to have to worry about putting on a lid whenever WE or me goes through some town which has asserted a higher right than the State. WE may be "the man" so WE should know that existing laws work, just enforce them equally. I mean really, WTF does a citywide helmet law have to do w/ BBB? WE have limited resources so I will now spend them elsewhere. If WE read the discourses that led to these laws there was condemnation of motorcyclists by all members of the city government. They all purported to represent their constituency.
One of the greater lessons learned through school and life was that it's just easier to punish the "class" than to single out the troublemakers and deal w/ them. WE are the class and WE have been punished. I really hate being a good boy and getting punished for someone else. Pure and simple, I won't stand for it on my dime.
Anyway, the general tone of the new ordinances AND the huge increase in vendor permits and restrictions make it pretty clear to me that M. B. wants golfers and putt putters and not motorcyclists. Wish granted. Enjoy yourself, hope folks show up and have a good time. I'm choosing Eureka instead this year.

[Fired00d]

I disagree on a bunch of that. WE includes all riders. WE have stupid riders across the board that brings on this chit. WE were young once and did some stupid things but WE either paid the price or got away w/ it. WE, at least me, doesn't want to have to worry about putting on a lid whenever WE or me goes through some town which has asserted a higher right than the State. WE may be "the man" so WE should know that existing laws work, just enforce them equally. I mean really, WTF does a citywide helmet law have to do w/ BBB? WE have limited resources so I will now spend them elsewhere. If WE read the discourses that led to these laws there was condemnation of motorcyclists by all members of the city government. They all purported to represent their constituency.
One of the greater lessons learned through school and life was that it's just easier to punish the "class" than to single out the troublemakers and deal w/ them. WE are the class and WE have been punished. I really hate being a good boy and getting punished for someone else. Pure and simple, I won't stand for it on my dime.
Anyway, the general tone of the new ordinances AND the huge increase in vendor permits and restrictions make it pretty clear to me that M. B. wants golfers and putt putters and not motorcyclists. Wish granted. Enjoy yourself, hope folks show up and have a good time. I'm choosing Eureka instead this year.

Well said. We all are going to pay for the stupidity of a few even the residents of MB will pay when their taxes rise, and they have to support services that bikers have been paying for when spending there $$$ at MB.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[hard10]

...

2008-77      Amend existing Noise law found in Chapter 14, Article X, Sections 14-240.  No loud mufflers; EPA labeling required, or maximum 89 decibels allowed at idle measurement.  (effective immediately)
..

I'm surprised that no one has picked up on this. SC used to be a state where the politicians were not influenced by outside pressure. The laws that were on the books were there for a reason and not to make political statements. With the advent of these new laws, "the Northerners" have infiltrated into political arena and are changing the way of life that was once South Carolina. As a resident of the state, I will no longer have a choice as to whether or not to wear a helmet because I may ride through a small section of the state that now requires one. As a result, I will simply adjust my travel plans as I would when going to Georgia. If I'm out for a ride and not wearing a helmet, we'll choose a restaurant or other shopping destination where we are not breaking the law. It truly is a sad day for the state.

[Admiral]

Excuse my ignorance but what does BBB stand for?   

[Screamin]

Excuse my ignorance but what does BBB stand for?   

http://www.blackbikeweek.com/

[MIKEYTEE]

I disagree on a bunch of that. WE includes all riders. WE have stupid riders across the board that brings on this chit. WE were young once and did some stupid things but WE either paid the price or got away w/ it. WE, at least me, doesn't want to have to worry about putting on a lid whenever WE or me goes through some town which has asserted a higher right than the State. WE may be "the man" so WE should know that existing laws work, just enforce them equally. I mean really, WTF does a citywide helmet law have to do w/ BBB? WE have limited resources so I will now spend them elsewhere. If WE read the discourses that led to these laws there was condemnation of motorcyclists by all members of the city government. They all purported to represent their constituency.
One of the greater lessons learned through school and life was that it's just easier to punish the "class" than to single out the troublemakers and deal w/ them. WE are the class and WE have been punished. I really hate being a good boy and getting punished for someone else. Pure and simple, I won't stand for it on my dime.
Anyway, the general tone of the new ordinances AND the huge increase in vendor permits and restrictions make it pretty clear to me that M. B. wants golfers and putt putters and not motorcyclists. Wish granted. Enjoy yourself, hope folks show up and have a good time. I'm choosing Eureka instead this year.

I agree with you. A group of us on site are going to Outer Banks Bike Week in April. ( see thread  in events section. )
Party at the beach!
Mike
 

[arcticdude]

How about the section that says no destruction of landscaped areas by chairs, etc?  That could read that you can't set a folding chair out on your own manicured front lawn, because you'll leave marks!!!!  Somebody really had their panties in a wad coming up with these.  It does really paint a poor picture of the town and it's leadership.

[MIKEYTEE]

A big part of the problem is the city has changing from a wide open party town to a laid back retiree's resort area. The hotels are changing over to time share and being replaced with condos. The retired people are the ones complaining about the traffic and noise not the business owners. The problem is they will never be happy, because the place never is without traffic in the summer. They need to move to Hilton Head and give us back the party beach town.
Mike
 

[hard10]

A big part of the problem is the city has changing from a wide open party town to a laid back retiree's resort area. The hotels are changing over to time share and being replaced with condos. The retired people are the ones complaining about the traffic and noise not the business owners. The problem is they will never be happy, because the place never is without traffic in the summer. They need to move to Hilton Head and give us back the party beach town.
Mike
 

Hey Hey Hey! You keep those old farts that don't spend any money up there. We'll keep the tourist spending dollars in the southern part of the state.

[skreminegul07]

Looks like no drinking in parking lots like at the "Dohg House" and other venues.  No trailers in unpermitted private parking lots?  Huh?
But its OK for non registered golf carts to drive acroos the street with no lights, helmets, and a couple with oxygen bottles driving.

People, you know those futuristic movies like Demolition Man?  we're rapidly approaching that level of big brother government where the only freedoms you have exist as long as someone else doesn't object.

The 89 decibel at idle is not really that quiet is it?  Usually its a max of 85sih at 2000 rpm, not idle.

[xjackx]

If everyone continued to attend Harley Bike Week but boycotted the City of Myrtle Beach (CoMB) in every conceivable manner, they (CoMB) would have to rethink their position. No motels, food, t-shirts or gas. This means no city or accommodations taxes for CoMB. Don't patronize the businesses outside of CoMB that operate business inside of CoMB. Remind attendees who are in CoMB that they shouldn't spend a penny in the CoMB. I couldn't find a "screw" icon so....SCREW CoMB!

[pado]

If everyone continued to attend Harley Bike Week but boycotted the City of Myrtle Beach (CoMB) in every conceivable manner, they (CoMB) would have to rethink their position. No motels, food, t-shirts or gas. This means no city or accommodations taxes for CoMB. Don't patronize the businesses outside of CoMB that operate business inside of CoMB. Remind attendees who are in CoMB that they shouldn't spend a penny in the CoMB. I couldn't find a "screw" icon so....SCREW CoMB!

Well said Jack !  The places AROUND want our business  and are making plans next spring to make sure we don't go back to MB.  The other places like LR, CG, NMB, etc are recruiting us.  I'll go around MB if I have to.  Hwy 31 is the Ch##.

[skreminegul07]

These get rid of the rally movements follow a cycle (no pun intended). Living within 100 miles of Laconia, I can tell you that every 10-15 years, the locals try and stop it.  The rally keeps going, but there are only a few beer permits given out, they jack up permit fees and have 1 LEO for every 10 bikes.  It's ridiculous.  You can't do anything. 

[hard10]

Well said Jack !  The places AROUND want our business  and are making plans next spring to make sure we don't go back to MB.  The other places like LR, CG, NMB, etc are recruiting us.  I'll go around MB if I have to.  Hwy 31 is the Ch##.

Frank, look into this and check the facts. Horry county is on board with what the city of MB wants. The county rules will apply all the way up to the North Carolina State Line. The cities (North Myrtle Beach, etc.) may want our business, but the county does not.

[RedFXR2]

With the advent of these new laws, "the Northerners" have infiltrated into political arena and are changing the way of life that was once South Carolina.

As a native southerner, now a resident of Florida I find this interesting.  Maybe what's going on up there is part of a greater cultural clash.  It's well known down here that more and more retirees from the Northeast are now retiring to the GA, SC, and NC coastal areas and mountains instead of FL for a variety of reasons,, mostly economic.  There has also been a significant number of those same retirees that have left FL over the last five years or so, cashing in on the once superheated but now defunct housing market, and moved up there with a wheelbarrow full of money.

I'm not trying to re-start the Civil War, but when I first arrived in FL I was amazed at the attitudes of the locals.  The "locals" being retirees from the NE.  I should point out that local census data proves that over 3/4 of the residents of Palm Beach County, FL, just to the south of me, are not from FL and about 68% of them are from NJ, NY and CT.  These older folks are not terribly friendly or welcoming, to say the least.   Not at all what I was accustomed to coming from NC.

True story:  When we moved into our house in NC, the neighborhood kids brought home-baked cookies as the furniture was being unloaded, and two days later we were at our neighbor's house for a welcome to the neighborhood cookout with everyone from that end of the street.  When we moved to FL, nobody said a word to us for two months and then we got a letter threatening us with legal action if we didn't pressure-clean the roof in the next 30 days.  Very different culture, alright.

I could tell a lot of stories.  And the rules and ordinances aren't even family friendly (children), much less condusive to somewhat noisy recreation by adults.  They like things picture perfect and perfectly silent.  And everyone will be expected to think that's a good idea.  Having lived through some of their objections to (IMO) the slightest issue, like a toy left outside overnight, a weed in the yard.  Can't park a pickup truck in the driveway.  I've even fielded complaints about kids shooting baskets in their own driveway--too noisy, they say.  They tried to ban basketball goals from the neighborhood as a result.  I can easily imagine how they would react to a lot of motorcyles at one time.

On the upside, more families and younger folks seem to be slowly arriving, and more of the older folks are leaving.  I'ts slow, but appreciable.  Thank goodness.

Not trying to offend anyone with all this, just making an observation.  Certainly not all northeasterners fit this description.  I have a good friend back in Atlanta who grew up in NYC so I asked him about all this and he laughed.  He sympathized and said it took him a while to adjust to friendly people in the South.  I just can't figure out how someone can retire wealthy enough to buy a nice place down here and then drive around in a Jaguar with nothing but free time, yet be so mean and carry a sense of unfulfilled self-entitlement.  I would think they'd be blissfully happy, but nooooo.

But back to the Myrtle Beach situation, if the town is truly gaining northeastern retirees, prepare for very rigid rules that they will refer to as "bringing civilization and culture to the uneducated".

[hard10]

As a native southerner, now a resident of Florida I find this interesting...

I'm not trying to re-start the Civil War, but...

But back to the Myrtle Beach situation, if the town is truly gaining northeastern retirees, prepare for very rigid rules that they will refer to as "bringing civilization and culture to the uneducated".

I was born about 75 miles north of New York and moved to Beaufort, SC 15 years ago. I know exactly what it is that you are talking about. One of the reasons why I moved was I did not like the attitude of most of the people. When I arrived in SC, live just seemed to be more relaxed. You will see bumper stickers here that say: "We don't give a damn how you did it up North". I'm seeing few of them nowadays.

[xjackx]

I could tell a lot of stories.  And the rules and ordinances aren't even family friendly (children), much less condusive to somewhat noisy recreation by adults.  They like things picture perfect and perfectly silent.  And everyone will be expected to think that's a good idea.  Having lived through some of their objections to (IMO) the slightest issue, like a toy left outside overnight, a weed in the yard.  Can't park a pickup truck in the driveway.  I've even fielded complaints about kids shooting baskets in their own driveway--too noisy, they say.  They tried to ban basketball goals from the neighborhood as a result.  I can easily imagine how they would react to a lot of motorcyles at one time.

I read an article from Fairfield CT that a steak house could not be built in town because of the "negative effect on air quality"
Some regulations just go to far!

[BAKRDS]

To bad a few screwed it up for many in Myrtle Beach.Always enjoyed the rally there.
2 years ago 6 of us had dragged pool chairs to the sidewalk to watch the parade &
 have a few beers.Cop came along & very politely asked that we not block the
 sidewalk but no problem with the beer.Very fair.Am going to miss it.Won't spend my
  $$$ where I'm not wanted.

[hard10]

The new catch phrase for Myrtle Beach is "Not a Dime in '09"

[Admiral]

If everyone continued to attend Harley Bike Week but boycotted the City of Myrtle Beach (CoMB) in every conceivable manner, they (CoMB) would have to rethink their position. No motels, food, t-shirts or gas. This means no city or accommodations taxes for CoMB. Don't patronize the businesses outside of CoMB that operate business inside of CoMB. Remind attendees who are in CoMB that they shouldn't spend a penny in the CoMB. I couldn't find a "screw" icon so....SCREW CoMB!

Will this do?

[MIKEYTEE]

 
Mike
 

[hdhog1]

@#$% MB.  Was there in 07.  Cops hassled everybody. North Ocean Blvd was closed.  They forced all traffic onto Bus. 17.  What a nightmare, constant traffic jams.
  I spoke to several employees of local businesses.  Seems most of the t-shirt, food, and trinket stores are owned by foreigners anyway.  I was told most of the local young people are leaving because the new owners supply thier own labor.  Well thats another subject.

  New Hope, PA pulled the same stunt several years ago.  It was not an event ride, but more of an all summer biker hangout.  Most of the business catered to our crowd and we spent a fortune.  Well the city fathers (in thier great wisdom) they wanted a more posh and swanky town and forced the bikers out.  The traffic moves so slow the cops actually ride bicycles and carry decible meters.  You actually get pulled over by a bicycle!  Me and the misses stopped going there completely on a bike or in a cage.  They can kiss my @#$.
  There are many places that want my green and my scooter don't care where I ride, only that I do.  So ride on my brothers.  The compass has four directions.  Visit them all. hdhog1



Anyhow spend your time elsewhere, stay 2 weeks in Sturgis.  Now there is a place worth riding. 

[hard10]

@#$% MB.  Was there in 07.  Cops hassled everybody. North Ocean Blvd was closed.  They forced all traffic onto Bus. 17.  What a nightmare, constant traffic jams.
  I spoke to several employees of local businesses.  Seems most of the t-shirt, food, and trinket stores are owned by foreigners anyway.  I was told most of the local young people are leaving because the new owners supply thier own labor.  Well thats another subject.

  New Hope, PA pulled the same stunt several years ago.  It was not an event ride, but more of an all summer biker hangout.  Most of the business catered to our crowd and we spent a fortune.  Well the city fathers (in thier great wisdom) they wanted a more posh and swanky town and forced the bikers out.  The traffic moves so slow the cops actually ride bicycles and carry decible meters.  You actually get pulled over by a bicycle!  Me and the misses stopped going there completely on a bike or in a cage.  They can kiss my @#$.
  There are many places that want my green and my scooter don't care where I ride, only that I do.  So ride on my brothers.  The compass has four directions.  Visit them all. hdhog1



Anyhow spend your time elsewhere, stay 2 weeks in Sturgis.  Now there is a place worth riding. 

Myrtle Beach has always been a honky tonk town. That was the allure. People of a middle income family could go to a beach resort and have an inexpensive vacation. The Springs Industries Company owns the oldest hotel at the end of the strip. It was built as a place for the workers in the factories to go. The rooms were concrete slabs with thin mattresses and a very utilitarian room. However, the cost was $3 per night! This is where the working class went. Now that people have found this slice of Heaven, they have moved in to take over and redevelop it in the fasion of where they hail. It is this way in most communities throughout the country.
I say, take it with a grain of salt and move on. My mother always told me I didn't like change. And one thing that is constant in life is change. As someone else has already said in these pages, there will be another "get together" somewhere else were we as bikers will be welcome.

[spydglide]

What's the latest, AJ?  Is the 'recession' going to change their little minds at all?  Like you say:  Change is inevidable....Daytona and MB have been ebbing and flowing on how they treat bikers since the inception of the rallies and I just bet it will continue.  This year prolly won't be 'hit'.  har!  spyder

[Puzzled]

For those that like home built bikes and classics The Smoke Out 10 is the same weekend as/is Myrtle. This year is is being held in Rockingham.

http://www.smokeoutrally.com/

I have been to two of the last three. This isn't a rally, it is a two day event.

http://s191.photobucket.com/albums/z238/mlcorrell/Smoke%20Out%20VIIII/

[Puzzled]

The new catch phrase for Myrtle Beach is "Not a Dime in '09"

I like That. 

[hard10]

What's the latest, AJ?  Is the 'recession' going to change their little minds at all?  Like you say:  Change is inevidable....Daytona and MB have been ebbing and flowing on how they treat bikers since the inception of the rallies and I just bet it will continue.  This year prolly won't be 'hit'.  har!  spyder

New laws are to go into effect on February 28th. The attitude, as reported in the local media and on blogs, has been in favor of smaller rallies. The outspoken locals are making their voices heard and the bikers, who are primarily from out of town, aren't making much noise.

On the other hand, Daytona is rethinking it's stance. They have just announced that they want to try and bring the biker crowd back to Beach St. I guess that loosing all of that tax revenue to Ormond Beach is taking it's toll. 

[Puzzled]

On the other hand, Daytona is rethinking it's stance. They have just announced that they want to try and bring the biker crowd back to Beach St. I guess that loosing all of that tax revenue to Ormond Beach is taking it's toll. 

LOL (where is the middle finger smiley?  )

[hard10]

LOL (where is the middle finger smiley?  )

Thought you'd like to read up on it:

http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2008/12/28/the-rebirth-of-daytona-bike-week-riverfront-park-on-beach-street/

[Puzzled]

Thank you for the link. I'd like to know a little more about this. I'm curious if it is Rossmeyer, the City or someone behind the scenes.

[hard10]

Thank you for the link. I'd like to know a little more about this. I'm curious if it is Rossmeyer, the City or someone behind the scenes.

From what I've heard it is the city looking for more revenue as most municipalities are. I'll know more after the New Year.

[Screamin]

From Jamin Leather

[hard10]

From Jamin Leather

That's great! Only problem is that Horry County wants to adopt the same laws.

[pado]

@#$% MB.  Was there in 07.  Cops hassled everybody. North Ocean Blvd was closed.  They forced all traffic onto Bus. 17.  What a nightmare, constant traffic jams.
  I spoke to several employees of local businesses.  Seems most of the t-shirt, food, and trinket stores are owned by foreigners anyway.  I was told most of the local young people are leaving because the new owners supply thier own labor.  Well thats another subject.

  New Hope, PA pulled the same stunt several years ago.  It was not an event ride, but more of an all summer biker hangout.  Most of the business catered to our crowd and we spent a fortune.  Well the city fathers (in thier great wisdom) they wanted a more posh and swanky town and forced the bikers out.  The traffic moves so slow the cops actually ride bicycles and carry decible meters.  You actually get pulled over by a bicycle!  Me and the misses stopped going there completely on a bike or in a cage.  They can kiss my @#$.
  There are many places that want my green and my scooter don't care where I ride, only that I do.  So ride on my brothers.  The compass has four directions.  Visit them all. hdhog1



Anyhow spend your time elsewhere, stay 2 weeks in Sturgis.  Now there is a place worth riding.  

The people in Sturgis couldn't be more receptive to us.  They WANTED our business.  We'll be back.  Would love to stay 2 weeks instead of one.

[TN]

at one time the naacp had a boycott of south carolina.

a fact.



TN


not sure of the moral but it's there.

[hard10]

at one time the naacp had a boycott of south carolina.

a fact.



TN


not sure of the moral but it's there.

They still do. They are still boycotting the State based on the Confederate flag issue. The State has since moved it from atop of the capitol building where no one could see it to the front lawn where everyone that drives by can see it. Not one of the finest moments in State history.

[SPIDERMAN]

They still do. They are still boycotting the State based on the Confederate flag issue. The State has since moved it from atop of the capitol building where no one could see it to the front lawn where everyone that drives by can see it. Not one of the finest moments in State history.

I sometimes wonder when I see the Flag of The Confederacy if those who display it do so because of a sense of having lost something that they never really knew. I have friends who would sooner eat worms than utter a racial epithet, but they fly that old flag not because they are bigots, but because they have heard anti-bellum stories their entire lives and they yearn for those days when Dixie was a special place full of charm and grace and quiet dignity. Many feel that the south was ransacked unjustly by northern carpetbaggers after the war and families who never embraced slavery were stripped of their homes and their land simply because of where they lived. I truly do not see bigotry in every person who flies that flag, but I fully understand how the flag affects people who's ancestors were dragged here in chains to spend their entire lives at hard labor lucky to have clothes on their back, clean water to drink and meager food to eat. I would have a hard time looking up at that flag flying over the capital of my state were I the great grandson of a slave. There's good and bad in everything. This is just one more example of that.

B B 

[RedFXR2]

I sometimes wonder when I see the Flag of The Confederacy if those who display it do so because of a sense of having lost something that they never really knew. I have friends who would sooner eat worms than utter a racial epithet, but they fly that old flag not because they are bigots, but because they have heard anti-bellum stories their entire lives and they yearn for those days when Dixie was a special place full of charm and grace and quiet dignity. Only for a few Many feel that the south was ransacked unjustly by northern carpetbaggers after the war and families who never embraced slavery were stripped of their homes and their land simply because of where they lived. I truly do not see bigotry in every person who flies that flag, but I fully understand how the flag affects people who's ancestors were dragged here in chains to spend their entire lives at hard labor lucky to have clothes on their back, clean water to drink and meager food to eat. I would have a hard time looking up at that flag flying over the capital of my state were I the great grandson of a slave. There's good and bad in everything. This is just one more example of that.

B B 

A lot of wisdom there, BB.

Never mind my education but I have some credentials in history.  Books have been writtten on why the Civil War happened, not about the battles themselves.  I believe you are right when you ponder how many folks flying the Confederate flag today have any idea of history or probably they're assigning their own significance and meaning to that piece of cloth.  Extreme case in point is the KKK.  It's humorous to me to see so many of my fellow native southerners identifying with it as though they would (surely) have been one of the relatively few extremely wealthy planters who had a tremedous economic stake in slavery.  The chances are far greater that their ancestors were dirt poor sharecroppers themselves.  Never invited to sip mint julep on the porch of the ante bellum home.

By the numbers for most people of the south at the time of the Civil War, there wasn't much grace or dignity.  Far more dirt poor white sharecroppers than rich "Gone with the Wind" types.  The promise of one day owning land themselves earned from working the plantations, an empty hope in their native England, Scotland and Ireland, kept them in the Confederate military after Jefferson Davis bowed to political pressure from the wealthy few early on (early 1862, I think) and removed any obligation for military service from slaveowners or the families (sons) of slaveowners.  None of the sharecropper Confederate soldiers marched off to death, disease and destruction to keep slaves in chains for moral purposes--they did it for the hope of one day owning their own farms.  They needed the system to continue for them to do that.  In retrospect, there really isn't much difference since slavery was a fundamental component of the southern agricultural economy.  And yes, after the war, the South was decimated economically and many opportunistic northerners, (crooks) took advantage of martial law and desperation to further rape the citizenry, former slaveholder or not.  Evidence of that resentment is slowly meltinig away, but it's still evident.

Slavery was a a horrible evil institution that had to end, but like most other national conflicts, it was more about money than morals--to those people at that time.  Essential to remember that last part.  Also important to remember that the Southern economy provided the money to run the still young (less than 100 years) US of A.  It never works when one faction provides the money for another, more controlling faction who then gets to spend it as they alone wish. 

And important to remember that in any conflict, history is written by the winners.  You have to more serious research to get the rest of the story.

It's also important to remember in understanding the Southern psyche, that the Southern states are the only part of the nation that's ever lost a war, ever been invaded by an enemy military that did outrageous things to civilians, and ever been subjected to a victorious occupation army when the war was over, continuing to do outrageous things to civilians.

But back to the flag.  Just inland from the beaches and condos is the South Florida few ever see.  Vast horse and cattle farms.  Vegetable and citrus groves.  Agriculture is still huge.  A lot of those folks (young guys in particular) fly the Confederate flag on their pickup trucks and they're not promoting slavery.  They have a false memory of southern history and an invented regional pride that they have attached to the flag.  Pretty harmless, really, except to the transplanted northeasterners who instantly figure that those guys are violent racists burning crosses every weekend.  Another ridiculous sterotype.

Lots of stereotypes to keep fighting the Civil War.

[Screamin]

Some good, some bad. I'm still not going to MB in the spring because they don't want us and passed some dumb a$$ laws to discourage my attendance.

[Hoist!]

Blew that place off years ago! They never REALLY wanted us there anyway! Always been a Police State during Bike Week! SMB!!!

Hoist!

[TN]

My original post of the boycott was thread related. I guess I’ll have to splain myself more. The naacp promoted a boycott of sc because of the flag issues, there are folks who embrace this heritage Even if they are misunderstood or misguided. By no means I’m a racist or judge folks by the color of there skin.  I do know civil war history and the propaganda around it, as in all wars! Enough on that.

The mbbw has been having problems with politicians and such for a long time. The recent headlines grab the spotlight but the problem, and yes talk with the locals, was (is) the atlantic beach bike fest following mbbw. And from fear of discrimination suits they had to include both. I could go on, but I won’t.

These are politically correct times. So who side is GOD on?
I’m sorry this is a legal issue, isn’t it? So who side is the law on?



Can’t we just all get along and ride.


TN


Sorry for the rant but I started attending mbbw in the late 80’s on my british rides. Have chose not to attend the last several yrs.

Happy New Year to everyone.

[TN]

check this link out.




http://www.myrtlebeachbikerinfo.com/




TN

[Screamin]

Thanks for the link TN.

Effff em.

[spydglide]

Yeah, thanks for the link.  I guess the extension of the duration was the biggest factor.....it started as a weekend and ended up as over 3 weeks of continuous bikers with the numbers growing over the years.  Even spring breakers don't stay anywhere that long, so.....it finally broke the back of the local support.  That rally was one of the longest running.  Wonder which one is next?    spyder

[Hoist!]

Never liked the place, now I HATE it, and that Mayor can keep his snooty town all to himself! 1 MBBW was too much for me! Now I know why, with mentalities like that!!! SMB!!!

Hoist!

[MontyB]

Thanks for the link TN.

Effff em.

Good luck to the merchants of MB!  In this recessionary year, I'll bet they'll be re-thinking this action after losing out on probably hundreds of thousands of biker/visitor dollars.

Here's to those who wish us well and all the rest can go to h311!!

cheers!

[Twolanerider]

Never liked the place, now I HATE it, and that Mayor can keep his snooty town all to himself! 1 MBBW was too much for me! Now I know why, with mentalities like that!!! SMB!!!

Hoist!

One potentially positive byproduct of this for us.  If John Golden decides not to screw with MB this year we might get to have our dyno day during the Eureka Springs event after all.

[Hoist!]

One potentially positive byproduct of this for us.  If John Golden decides not to screw with MB this year we might get to have our dyno day during the Eureka Springs event after all.

Well then, maybe SOME good can come out of the debacle in that hell hole!!!

Hoist!

[SPIDERMAN]

A lot of wisdom there, BB.

Never mind my education but I have some credentials in history.  Books have been written on why the Civil War happened, not about the battles themselves.  I believe you are right when you ponder how many folks flying the Confederate flag today have any idea of history or probably they're assigning their own significance and meaning to that piece of cloth.  Extreme case in point is the KKK.  It's humorous to me to see so many of my fellow native southerners identifying with it as though they would (surely) have been one of the relatively few extremely wealthy planters who had a tremendous economic stake in slavery.  The chances are far greater that their ancestors were dirt poor sharecroppers themselves.  Never invited to sip mint julep on the porch of the ante bellum home.

By the numbers for most people of the south at the time of the Civil War, there wasn't much grace or dignity.  Far more dirt poor white sharecroppers than rich "Gone with the Wind" types.  The promise of one day owning land themselves earned from working the plantations, an empty hope in their native England, Scotland and Ireland, kept them in the Confederate military after Jefferson Davis bowed to political pressure from the wealthy few early on (early 1862, I think) and removed any obligation for military service from slaveowners or the families (sons) of slaveowners.  None of the sharecropper Confederate soldiers marched off to death, disease and destruction to keep slaves in chains for moral purposes--they did it for the hope of one day owning their own farms.  They needed the system to continue for them to do that.  In retrospect, there really isn't much difference since slavery was a fundamental component of the southern agricultural economy.  And yes, after the war, the South was decimated economically and many opportunistic northerners, (crooks) took advantage of martial law and desperation to further rape the citizenry, former slaveholder or not.  Evidence of that resentment is slowly melting away, but it's still evident.

Slavery was a a horrible evil institution that had to end, but like most other national conflicts, it was more about money than morals--to those people at that time.  Essential to remember that last part.  Also important to remember that the Southern economy provided the money to run the still young (less than 100 years) US of A.  It never works when one faction provides the money for another, more controlling faction who then gets to spend it as they alone wish. 

And important to remember that in any conflict, history is written by the winners.  You have to more serious research to get the rest of the story.

It's also important to remember in understanding the Southern psyche, that the Southern states are the only part of the nation that's ever lost a war, ever been invaded by an enemy military that did outrageous things to civilians, and ever been subjected to a victorious occupation army when the war was over, continuing to do outrageous things to civilians.

But back to the flag.  Just inland from the beaches and condos is the South Florida few ever see.  Vast horse and cattle farms.  Vegetable and citrus groves.  Agriculture is still huge.  A lot of those folks (young guys in particular) fly the Confederate flag on their pickup trucks and they're not promoting slavery.  They have a false memory of southern history and an invented regional pride that they have attached to the flag.  Pretty harmless, really, except to the transplanted northeasterners who instantly figure that those guys are violent racists burning crosses every weekend.  Another ridiculous stereotype.

Lots of stereotypes to keep fighting the Civil War.

So true, so true. But didn't you just break down and cry when Elvis sang that medley of Dixie and Glory Hallelujah ?

B B

[elvislee]

So true, so true. But didn't you just break down and cry when Elvis sang that medley of Dixie and Glory Hallelujah ?

B B

"American Triology"...When the symphony does the instrumental part right at the end of the song...Gives me goose bumps and leaves me mesmerised everytime

[SPIDERMAN]

"American Triology"...When the symphony does the instrumental part right at the end of the song...Gives me goose bumps and leaves me mesmerised everytime

Thanks elvislee, I didn't know it was listed with a title. At any rate, I think that "song" captures what a lot of folks from the south feel when they see the Confederate flag. I know it used to make me wish I was born and raised in Dixie whenever I heard it even though Maine is in my blood forever. 

B B

[hard10]

Someone on one of the local blogs made a good point about the new helmet law.  The City of Newberry tried to circumvent state law and allow video poker, even though the state outlawed it.  There is no difference between that and the City of MB trying to circumvent state law by requiring helmet usage.

[SE05]

AJ, have you seen where anyone has challenged the city of Myrtle Beach "law" in court?

[RedFXR2]

"American Triology"...When the symphony does the instrumental part right at the end of the song...Gives me goose bumps and leaves me mesmerised everytime

Beats griping about Myrtle Beach any day:

[hard10]

AJ, have you seen where anyone has challenged the city of Myrtle Beach "law" in court?

I'm actually in a meeting about it now. The city has written it as a civil offense not criminal. Therefore it will not have any points issued against your license. Only a fine (and hassle).

[TN]

Someone on one of the local blogs made a good point about the new helmet law.  The City of Newberry tried to circumvent state law and allow video poker, even though the state outlawed it.  There is no difference between that and the City of MB trying to circumvent state law by requiring helmet usage.

now you're getting me where it hurts.


the mb new rules are city ordinaces, and thats the key word.



there will be a casino in mb within 10yrs. 




TN




sp edit:  ordinances

[TN]

Beats griping about Myrtle Beach any day:

 

[elvislee]

Thanks elvislee, I didn't know it was listed with a title. At any rate, I think that "song" captures what a lot of folks from the south feel when they see the Confederate flag. I know it used to make me wish I was born and raised in Dixie whenever I heard it even though Maine is in my blood forever. 

B B

Your welcome B B...My two grandson's and I listen to it eveynight in the car when I take them to Karate; It's almost become a ritual with us. Both my grandson's (12 & 6) think Elvis is the coolest 

[spydglide]

Your welcome B B...My two grandson's and I listen to it eveynight in the car when I take them to Karate; It's almost become a ritual with us. Both my grandson's (12 & 6) think Elvis is the coolest  

well........duh! :2vrolijk_09:har!  spyder

[SPIDERMAN]

Beats griping about Myrtle Beach any day:

This is the part where we all put on choir robes, sway back and forth and say Amen Brother

B B

[911Hawk]

  :furious3:http://www.myrtlebeachbikerinfo.com/message.html Look like the end! Where do we go now?

[Keats]

Myrtle Beach is dead to me, never going back for anything.

[911Hawk]

  http://www.myrtlebeachbikerinfo.com/message.html   Good by good old days !

[SPIDERMAN]

Myrtle Beach is dead to me, never going back for anything.

Gee, this was on my Bucket List and now by the time I get there, nobody else will be there 

B B

[hard10]

I was just on www.myrtlebeachharley.com and this is what they had to say:

"BIKE WEEK UPDATE

We look forward to seeing all bikers for the 69th Annual Spring Bike Week (May 8-17) in Horry County (everywhere but the City of Myrtle Beach) in 2009.

The City of Myrtle Beach has initiated a media campaign designed to deter the good, law abiding motorcycle riders from coming to our area. The information being disseminated by the Grand Strand Chamber of Commerce and City of Myrtle Beach does not accurately portray the views of the people of Horry County. The majority of people and businesses look forward to you visiting and desperately rely on your visiting to make it through the year.

The last I checked, bikers aren’t going to be intimidated. As always, if you come to our area and obey the laws and respect our community you have nothing to worry about. The City of Myrtle Beach can’t stop you from visiting the other areas of Horry County. We are encouraged by the emails we are getting from people saying they are coming anyway. There is no reason for you not to come. As H-D says, “Screw It, Let’s Ride!”

Furthermore, the City of Myrtle Beach has never played a role in bike week and has made it clear they don’t want to play a role. In years past, over 90% of the events taking place were outside the limits of the City of Myrtle Beach. The new rules and regulations really WILL NOT affect your visit or any of the activities and events.

We have listed info that will make your visit easier this year and will continue to try and alleviate any of your confusion. Trust me, we are all confused and we live here."

[hdhog1]

  I am sure many will miss this event.  For me, after all the hassles, I vowed not to return anyway.  Randy

[SPIDERMAN]

http://www.myrtlebeachbikerinfo.com/message.html   Good by good old days !

Daytona's next folks and don't think people like FB aren't pushing for it to happen with the investment they've made in Ormand just off I-95. Laconia will go next and finally, the only one left will be Sturgis, which was always the best anyway.

B B

[pado]

Frank, look into this and check the facts. Horry county is on board with what the city of MB wants. The county rules will apply all the way up to the North Carolina State Line. The cities (North Myrtle Beach, etc.) may want our business, but the county does not.

I did.

[spydglide]

I don't think you can have as a destination a area/part of a area or whatever that doesn't want you and has passed ordinances to harrass you if you come.  Not conducive to having a good time on your vacation while spending your hard earned $$$.    JMHO.   spyder

[MIKEYTEE]

Myrtle Beach has made it clear that they don't want my business if I'm riding my bike, SOOOO I won't give them my business anytime! FMB
Mike
 

[SPIDERMAN]

This is just my opinion mind you and others may disagree as they see fit, but with the minor exception of seeing some too young for me to even be thinking about it T&A, I've had 110% more fun at the CVOHarley gatherings I've attended than the last few times I've been in Daytona. Since I've never been to Myrtle Beach, I'm assuming it's more on par with Daytona than it is Sturgis or Laconia. In any event, for those of us lucky enough to be a part of this CVOHarley.com, shutting down MB isn't exactly the end of the world now is it ?

 B B

[Screamin]

It's well that the CVO gatherings are such a hoot and I'm looking forward to my next one in the Ozarks. BUT, there's nothing wrong w/  t & a, cheap longnecks, relaxing by the shore, checking out the vendors, and getting some spring sun along w/ a bunch of other like minded folks as well. No, it's not the end of the world, just a sign of the times and a kick in the nuts.

[hard10]

This is just my opinion mind you and others may disagree as they see fit, but with the minor exception of seeing some too young for me to even be thinking about it T&A, I've had 110% more fun at the CVOHarley gatherings I've attended than the last few times I've been in Daytona. Since I've never been to Myrtle Beach, I'm assuming it's more on par with Daytona than it is Sturgis or Laconia. In any event, for those of us lucky enough to be a part of this CVOHarley.com, shutting down MB isn't exactly the end of the world now is it ?

  B

I couldn't agree with you more B B.  And not just because I'm your #1  ! While I have never been to Sturgis or Laconia, I have been to Daytona and MB for many years. My first Daytona trip was while in college in 1988 and I didn't even own a bike at the time. Some of our CVO gatherings have occurred during various "bike weeks". The very first time I met a large number of members here was at Daytona in the Spring of 2007. During that trip, I spent very little time with anyone other than site members and really could've cared less about seeing what Daytona had. For me it has always been more about the friendships.

[hdhog1]

  Like I stated before I am done with Myrtle Beach.  There are those of you who may be affected directly or know someone who will concerning the anti-biker rhetoric.

  I have an a few ideas for you, if you feel strongly enough to oppose city hall.

  Years ago New Hope PA turned anti-biker. They imposed a 1 bike per parking spot rule and ticketed bikes with loud pipes using decimeters.  A large group of bikes started going into town and legally parked 1 bike in all the spots to force a change.  It never was the same.  I have never returned.

  2nd Possibly a boycott of Myrtle beach or a massive letter campaign to city hall by individuals and/or companies vowing not to return due to thier anti motorcycle policies.  Although all this is time consuming, and I think in the long run a losing battle.  It's true, YOU CAN'T FIGHT CITY HALL!!!

  The real problem here is the event will probably happen in surrounding areas, but the bikers will pay dearly  $$$$.  The law will write tickets to everyone venturing into MB territory.  I say let it go.  There are plenty of places accepting of two wheel traffic and $.                     Randy

[brassspike]

I think I've done 8 of the last 9 years at MB. Each year I say it's my last and then some friend wants to go, so I go too. I like the ride down better than the rally anyway. Last year was the worst yet. I really see it going down hill anyway. Either I am getting older or something, but I am looking for something different nowadays. The wife and I did MV Thunder in the valley last year. We headed out on our own and just happened one the rally!  We liked the small rally better. We might do the cvo thing there (MV) this year if we don't ride up the northeast coast in September. Outer Banks would be better if the organizers could move it a few weeks further out. The weather is much better here (warmer) in mid May. We will make the CVO gathering there this year and look forward to meeting some of you there!

[SPIDERMAN]

I know this is kinda off topic but it seems to me actually a logical place to make this post.

There's an old saying that nothing ever stays the same. That certainly holds true for what we call the "Biker Lifestyle" I honestly feel bad for some of the folks just buying their first H-D who have visions of old time biker parties they've read or heard about. A lot of what used to pass for fun has been PC'd out of existence. I certainly sympathize with any woman who was subjected to a gauntlet of "show us your t_ _ s" yahoos at these major runs, but there were also no small amount of more than willing volunteers amoung the fairer sex who enjoyed being the object of everyone's attention. My opinion is that the "fun" in this vanished when hordes of guys with video cameras descended on these events like land sharks. And of course, we've seen a major change in our attitude on alcohol consumption over the past few years. So the whole t_ _ties and beer have kind of faded into the woodwork. What these events have become basically is a bunch of people hanging around waiting for somebody to do something noteworthy enough to take a picture/video of. With the over zealousness of LEO's, what remains is riding around and rapping your pipes making noise which is what the citizenry objects to the most. That and the fact that as I've pointed out 1000 times, most non riders can't tell the difference between a HOG member and a Hell's Angel. We're all part of a loud and unruly horde that descends on their existence. And since the average citizen isn't making any money from hotel rooms, food, t-shirts etc. we've become nothing but one big incovenience to them. The old days that were captured in the pages of the hard core biker magazines are gone forever. What remains for the vast majority of riders is the myth. Fortunately for those of us on this website, we've all been there, done that, bought the t-shirt enough that we've developed something to replace the old days. This place, this site and the gatherings we put together be they a 1/2 dozen folks out for a day or a weekend or 100 of us criss crossing the country to meet up with one another. Pardon my rambling, but it's still about an hour to kickoff for the first championship football game of the day and I'm just sittin here musing.

B B

[navdav51]

wont quote the whole thing, but well said  spidy

[SBB]

I have a good friend named Pete Richmond that sent a letter to Myrtle Beach asking whether there would be a rally this year or in the future.
Pete lives in Madison Ohio and owns a 2005 Screaming Eagle Electra Glide.
He copied me on the letter that he recieved from Myrtle Beach concerning an 09 Rally and future events.
See below.

Pete...

 

Thanks for writing.  I'm going to take the last question first, since it's the easiest.  South Carolina state law says that motorcycle operators and riders under 21 must wear helmets, but it does not say that those over 21 do not have to wear helmets.  The city can implement a regulation requiring motorcyclists 21 and older to wear approved safety helmets.  We've been sued, so the courts will have the final say, but opinions so far are in our favor, especially since a violation will be an administrative infraction, not a misdemeanor.  Beginning in March, not wearing a helmet in the City of Myrtle Beach will earn you a fine, but no risk of jail time.  However, ignoring an administrative infraction citation will be a misdemeanor. 

 

Now, to answer the rest of your questions.  Our residents are overwhelmed by both motorcycle events.  You may not be aware, but these events last for nearly 20 straight days and literally take over the month of May.  The residents and many of the businesses have had their fill of the noise, the dangerous driving, the wrecks and the rest of what goes along with back-to-back motorcycle events.  That we have gotten to this point should surprise no one.  The promoters and many of the attendees have known for years that these events overwhelm us, but they have been unwilling or unable to do anything. 

 

The city and the chamber tried to work with the promoters to keep the rallies (actually two Harley Rallies in one) smaller in size and shorter in duration, but we received no cooperation.  The Carolina Harley Dealers sponsor a spring rally, and for nearly 60 years, it was three days long and drew 45,000 to 50,000 bikers.  Some folks grew tried of the crowd and began to come early.  The local Harley dealer, having broken away from the Association and seeing an opportunity to increase his business, started advertising a second rally on top of the first, with a longer time period.  We told him at the time that it was a mistake and would cause a community backlash.  He was not deterred.  The rallies began to grow, and now we have 250,000 bikers over a 12 to 14 day period.  On top of that, we have a third rally in the week leading up to Memorial Day, which has grown as well.

 

A couple of years ago, Chamber officials met with leaders of both spring Harley rallies.  They warned them that ill will was brewing and asked them to take steps to calm things down.  Corporate Harley-Davidson was present, too, and acknowledged that noise was their number one complaint, nationwide.  The Chamber also was concerned because it appeared that the rallies were actually hurting tourism for the month of May.  Many people do not come to Myrtle Beach in May because they don't want to be caught up in all the motorcycles.  Unfortunately, nothing was done, other than spreading out the vendors, which just seemed to make the rallies grow larger.  This year, our residents finally said, "Enough is enough."  We've had a shooting at the Memorial Day Rally the past two years, and that helped galvanize residents and government leaders to take action.

 

Myrtle Beach is not anti-biker or anti-motorcycle.  We want folks to come on the vehicle of their choice and enjoy all of the things Myrtle Beach has to offer, as long as they do so lawfully.  As for the rallies, we are ending them because they have all grown too large and last too long.  We have received a few hundred e-mails from folks saying they normally come to the rally and come back to visit during the year, spending thousands of dollars.  They say that if they can't come to the rally, then they will never come back and neither will their friends.  They further say that it's the "other guys" who are the problem, so don't pick on us.  However, visitors to the rallies come and go and apparently are unwilling to admit that they, too, are part of the problem.  Visitors to these events have not had to endure three weeks worth of motorcycles, as our residents have. 

 

We typically have as many, if not more, traffic fatalities during three weeks of motorcycle events than we have during the other 49 weeks of the year.  That's not good, and it's only one of the things that aren't good about the rallies.  Would your hometown of Madison welcome back-to-back motorcycle rallies with hundreds of thousands of bikes and people?  How would Madison handle it if the population increased 10-fold for three straight weeks?  How would Madison's police and EMS staff cope with the increased wrecks, injuries and deaths?  What would you do when your neighbors' kids can't sleep at night because of all the noise?  What would the businesses that don't cater to a biker audience do? 

 

We are taking steps to provide relief for our residents and businesses.  You are welcome to come visit on your motorcycle at any time, but the rallies are ending.

 

Thanks,
Mark Kruea

Public Information Officer

City of Myrtle Beach

 

So there it is in a nutshell, no more rallys at M/B.

SBB

[spydglide]

Thanks for posting their view of the situation, Chip.  It helps us understand some of their actions to hear the other side's argument.  What I don't understand at all is why they are imposing the helmet 'administrative infraction' ordinances and the other anti-biker local laws if they are doing away with the rally(s) which seems to be the main 'beef'.  She says to come visit on your bike at any time now that they won't have large rallies, but you'll still be singled out with the add'l. targeted new ordinances......just seems like they are using the shotgun approach 'agin us'.  Bump 'um, I say.  aaaaaargh.  spyder

[hard10]

The other side of this story is that the HD dealership along with the promoter are encouraging people to come and avoid the City of Myrtle Beach. The new rules only apply within the City limits.

I shamelessly stole this from another site:

"Myrtle Beach, SC - Area dealers want bikers to know that although the City of Myrtle Beach, S.C., has passed some laws designed to discourage bikers from attending the 69th Annual Spring Bike Week, May 8-17, the popular event is still on. From Murrells Inlet to Little River, other communities within Myrtle Beach’s home county of Horry are gearing up to welcome bikers.
The majority of the events for Bike Week will take place in Horry County, outside of the Myrtle Beach City limits. Newly-passed Myrtle Beach rules and regulations WILL NOT affect bikers who visit or impact any of those activities and events.
“Many tourists wrongly believe that Myrtle Beach is synonymous with the 60-mile-long ‘Grand Strand’ that is visited by more than 14 million tourists annually,” said Mike Shank, marketing director for an area motorcycle dealership. “In reality, the City of Myrtle Beach is just a small town inside of Horry County. It only has 25,000 residents. To the north, south and west of Myrtle Beach is the much-larger Grand Strand community where there are many restaurants, bars, recreational facilities and accommodations. Horry County has more than 250,000 residents and they are preparing their businesses to welcome bikers.
“Unfortunately, information being sent out by Myrtle Beach and its Chamber of Commerce paints good, law-abiding motorcycle riders with the same broad brush as those who have broken laws in the past. In addition, their misinformation does not accurately portray the views of Horry County residents. The majority of people and businesses look forward to biker tourism and many rely on Bike Week to provide a significant portion of their yearly income.”
The City of Myrtle Beach and the Myrtle Beach Area Chamber of Commerce have initiated an aggressive media campaign that gives the erroneous impression that new laws the city recently passed apply county-wide. However, those laws, which have reportedly been passed to discourage bikers from attending rallies in the area, apply only to the areas within the city limits of Myrtle Beach — not throughout the Grand Strand and Horry County.
“Awareness of the new laws will ensure that bikers who plan to come to the Grand Strand have nothing to worry about,” said Shank. “There will be plenty of activities and places to congregate outside of the city limits and throughout Horry County. It’s unfortunate that the City of Myrtle Beach and the Myrtle Beach Area Chamber of Commerce don’t want biker business in May; but we hope bikers understand that many businesses both within the City and throughout Horry County look forward to bike week during the month of May. As long as you obey the laws and respect our community, you’ll always be welcomed by the citizens of Horry County.”
For the facts, Shank directs bikers to www.mbbikeweeks.com. At that site, bikers can find information about the difference between Horry County and the City of Myrtle Beach, including maps, alternative routes that avoid the city limits, the new City of Myrtle Beach laws, and regular updates. “We want bikers to know the facts so they can make an informed decision about visiting our area,” adds Shank. “Grand Strand businesses want your business. The City of Myrtle Beach has never played a significant role in either the spring or fall bike weeks and has made it clear for many years that it doesn’t want to play a role. They’ve raised taxes to eliminate biker tourism, but no other municipality in Horry County has done so. And the City of Myrtle Beach passed new ordinances designed to scare bikers away. No other local municipality or the county has done so. So we hope that bikers won’t be discouraged by this campaign of misinformation. We want you to come to Horry County and have a great time this May.” "

I think what MB has done will only hurt them in the long run. The backlash will last in the minds of bikers for a very long time.