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[Hoist!]

One potentially positive byproduct of this for us.  If John Golden decides not to screw with MB this year we might get to have our dyno day during the Eureka Springs event after all.

Well then, maybe SOME good can come out of the debacle in that hell hole!!!

Hoist!

[SPIDERMAN]

A lot of wisdom there, BB.

Never mind my education but I have some credentials in history.  Books have been written on why the Civil War happened, not about the battles themselves.  I believe you are right when you ponder how many folks flying the Confederate flag today have any idea of history or probably they're assigning their own significance and meaning to that piece of cloth.  Extreme case in point is the KKK.  It's humorous to me to see so many of my fellow native southerners identifying with it as though they would (surely) have been one of the relatively few extremely wealthy planters who had a tremendous economic stake in slavery.  The chances are far greater that their ancestors were dirt poor sharecroppers themselves.  Never invited to sip mint julep on the porch of the ante bellum home.

By the numbers for most people of the south at the time of the Civil War, there wasn't much grace or dignity.  Far more dirt poor white sharecroppers than rich "Gone with the Wind" types.  The promise of one day owning land themselves earned from working the plantations, an empty hope in their native England, Scotland and Ireland, kept them in the Confederate military after Jefferson Davis bowed to political pressure from the wealthy few early on (early 1862, I think) and removed any obligation for military service from slaveowners or the families (sons) of slaveowners.  None of the sharecropper Confederate soldiers marched off to death, disease and destruction to keep slaves in chains for moral purposes--they did it for the hope of one day owning their own farms.  They needed the system to continue for them to do that.  In retrospect, there really isn't much difference since slavery was a fundamental component of the southern agricultural economy.  And yes, after the war, the South was decimated economically and many opportunistic northerners, (crooks) took advantage of martial law and desperation to further rape the citizenry, former slaveholder or not.  Evidence of that resentment is slowly melting away, but it's still evident.

Slavery was a a horrible evil institution that had to end, but like most other national conflicts, it was more about money than morals--to those people at that time.  Essential to remember that last part.  Also important to remember that the Southern economy provided the money to run the still young (less than 100 years) US of A.  It never works when one faction provides the money for another, more controlling faction who then gets to spend it as they alone wish. 

And important to remember that in any conflict, history is written by the winners.  You have to more serious research to get the rest of the story.

It's also important to remember in understanding the Southern psyche, that the Southern states are the only part of the nation that's ever lost a war, ever been invaded by an enemy military that did outrageous things to civilians, and ever been subjected to a victorious occupation army when the war was over, continuing to do outrageous things to civilians.

But back to the flag.  Just inland from the beaches and condos is the South Florida few ever see.  Vast horse and cattle farms.  Vegetable and citrus groves.  Agriculture is still huge.  A lot of those folks (young guys in particular) fly the Confederate flag on their pickup trucks and they're not promoting slavery.  They have a false memory of southern history and an invented regional pride that they have attached to the flag.  Pretty harmless, really, except to the transplanted northeasterners who instantly figure that those guys are violent racists burning crosses every weekend.  Another ridiculous stereotype.

Lots of stereotypes to keep fighting the Civil War.

So true, so true. But didn't you just break down and cry when Elvis sang that medley of Dixie and Glory Hallelujah ?

B B

[elvislee]

So true, so true. But didn't you just break down and cry when Elvis sang that medley of Dixie and Glory Hallelujah ?

B B

"American Triology"...When the symphony does the instrumental part right at the end of the song...Gives me goose bumps and leaves me mesmerised everytime

[SPIDERMAN]

"American Triology"...When the symphony does the instrumental part right at the end of the song...Gives me goose bumps and leaves me mesmerised everytime

Thanks elvislee, I didn't know it was listed with a title. At any rate, I think that "song" captures what a lot of folks from the south feel when they see the Confederate flag. I know it used to make me wish I was born and raised in Dixie whenever I heard it even though Maine is in my blood forever. 

B B

[hard10]

Someone on one of the local blogs made a good point about the new helmet law.  The City of Newberry tried to circumvent state law and allow video poker, even though the state outlawed it.  There is no difference between that and the City of MB trying to circumvent state law by requiring helmet usage.

[SE05]

AJ, have you seen where anyone has challenged the city of Myrtle Beach "law" in court?

[RedFXR2]

"American Triology"...When the symphony does the instrumental part right at the end of the song...Gives me goose bumps and leaves me mesmerised everytime

Beats griping about Myrtle Beach any day:

[hard10]

AJ, have you seen where anyone has challenged the city of Myrtle Beach "law" in court?

I'm actually in a meeting about it now. The city has written it as a civil offense not criminal. Therefore it will not have any points issued against your license. Only a fine (and hassle).

[TN]

Someone on one of the local blogs made a good point about the new helmet law.  The City of Newberry tried to circumvent state law and allow video poker, even though the state outlawed it.  There is no difference between that and the City of MB trying to circumvent state law by requiring helmet usage.

now you're getting me where it hurts.


the mb new rules are city ordinaces, and thats the key word.



there will be a casino in mb within 10yrs. 




TN




sp edit:  ordinances

[TN]

Beats griping about Myrtle Beach any day:

 

[elvislee]

Thanks elvislee, I didn't know it was listed with a title. At any rate, I think that "song" captures what a lot of folks from the south feel when they see the Confederate flag. I know it used to make me wish I was born and raised in Dixie whenever I heard it even though Maine is in my blood forever. 

B B

Your welcome B B...My two grandson's and I listen to it eveynight in the car when I take them to Karate; It's almost become a ritual with us. Both my grandson's (12 & 6) think Elvis is the coolest 

[spydglide]

Your welcome B B...My two grandson's and I listen to it eveynight in the car when I take them to Karate; It's almost become a ritual with us. Both my grandson's (12 & 6) think Elvis is the coolest  

well........duh! :2vrolijk_09:har!  spyder

[SPIDERMAN]

Beats griping about Myrtle Beach any day:

This is the part where we all put on choir robes, sway back and forth and say Amen Brother

B B

[911Hawk]

  :furious3:http://www.myrtlebeachbikerinfo.com/message.html Look like the end! Where do we go now?

[Keats]

Myrtle Beach is dead to me, never going back for anything.