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[SPIDERMAN]

Couple things here 1st off JCZ the Jim's motor IS available in either Carb or EFI ready config - - check the specs in the new SE catalogue. I'm asking you guys about this motor because my dealer doesn't seem very high on it - - - you know I'm gettin the " well if you really want one we'll sell you one" answer to my questions.   2nd, Hubbard I've always thought roller rockers were a waste of money too since the travel of the valve stem on the rocker arm is so minimal as to be negligible but the MoCo has always pushed em in the set-up sheets below the dyno sheets in the SE catalogue. That's way I figured it would start an argument like when you step and promote one carb over another. Ain't enough beer to argue that one out. Nice thing about EFI, other than throttle body size, no one seems to argue one over another that much.

[HUBBARD]

Yeah, 'er 'uh, Spiderman,
  Don't think that was JCZ that said the JIMS was available with carb. only.  At any rate, The JIMS 120" ain't a ball o' fire. [smiley=disappointed.gif]  I busted one of 'em so bad, I felt sorry for the guy!  I, personally, don't think you can beat Zipper's for "BIG MOTOR" components and performance.  They've got a 107" that will bust a JIMS 120"!  If you want the most bang for your buck, go with Zipper's.  [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] There endeth the lesson.  Later--HUBBARD    

[Unbalanced]

Spider,

I stand corrected the new one is for both EFI and Carb sorry for the misinformation.  I just checked in the new SE Catalog.  Previously it was only offered as a carb.

Also realize the throttle body they want to sell you from Harley has no cruise if you want cruise you will have to look at Zippers or Horsepower inc or Kuryiakin (sp).

The motor is supposed to be 125 tq/ 121 hp out of the box at the rear wheel.   My opinion would be can you afford a Zippers motor if you wanted to.  If you could then you cant beat the out of the box performance.  If you cant then the money difference between the Jim's and Zippers I would spend some of it and buy the headwork to upgrade the engine and probably look at a more aggressive cam like the Zippers 657.

-harry

[JCZ]

Couple things here 1st off JCZ the Jim's motor IS available in either Carb or EFI ready config - - check the specs in the new SE catalogue.  

Great, just what I was thinking! [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]  S&S has a 124" motor that will bolt in (the one in their catalog turns 129.2HP and 137TQ however, that is carberated).  They also have it fuel injected and I happen to have a friend that just dumped one in his Screamin Eagle Road Glide..  Go to this link then click on page #6.  You can increase the size of the page to read the dyno sheet.

http://www.sscycle.com/catalog17/TwinCam/html/TwinCam.htm

[SPIDERMAN]

JCZ Sorry about the confusion on who said what. I am looking at the H-D Jim's motor for a number of reasons.I know a lot of you are likely to jump all over this, but H-D doesn't market products that don't meet at least minimum reliability standards. I'm thinking the Jim's motor won't come undone in the middle of a coast to coast run on me. I want more but I want it with some peace of mind. Nothing ruins a 3 week trip like a busted motor. And, if H-D is selling the Jim's motor and it does happen to STB then at least the nearest H-D dealer should have parts and some help to get me back on the road. OK so now all of you can jump all over me and fire off blurbs about 150 hp S&S motors that run forever without breaking down and 175 ftlb Zipper's motors that are so solid Santa replaced old Dasher and Dancer with em . I'm outa here. PS Hubbard, I hear if you sing it cures a stutter

[spydglide]

 :oyou mean: Mel Tillis?  [smiley=nixweiss.gif]  spyder

[JCZ]

JCZ Sorry about the confusion on who said what. I am looking at the H-D Jim's motor for a number of reasons.I know a lot of you are likely to jump all over this, but H-D doesn't market products that don't meet at least minimum reliability standards. I'm thinking the Jim's motor won't come undone in the middle of a coast to coast run on me. I want more but I want it with some peace of mind. Nothing ruins a 3 week trip like a busted motor. And, if H-D is selling the Jim's motor and it does happen to STB then at least the nearest H-D dealer should have parts and some help to get me back on the road. OK so now all of you can jump all over me and fire off blurbs about 150 hp S&S motors that run forever without breaking down and 175 ftlb Zipper's motors that are so solid Santa replaced old Dasher and Dancer with em . I'm outa here. PS Hubbard, I hear if you sing it cures a stutter

Spiderman you seem a little defensive.  I don't think everybody is going to jump all over you.  Some people have different opnions and they're just speakin em.  Persoanally, I understand your thinking and at least in theory, makes a lot of sense to me.  Don't know if I'd go so far as as to agree that "HD doesn't market products that don't meet at least minimum reliability standards".......what about the valve guide seals in the 04's and what about the new style bearings vs. the timkin style bearings.  Anyway.........again, just a matter of opnion.  If you're after a Jims motor, by all means, go for it!  Keep us posted on it and your thoughts  and opnions, I'd like to know about it.

[BLM777]

JCZ . And, if H-D is selling the Jim's motor and it does happen to STB then at least the nearest H-D dealer should have parts and some help to get me back on the road.  

Don't count on it Spider....I don't know of any HD parts department that has any intention of stocking Jim's parts.

[grc]

H-D doesn't market products that don't meet at least minimum reliability standards.

spyder,

In no way am I busting your chops - this is JMHO.

I'm betting that is why the engine only produces 1hp per cubic inch, which is nothing nowdays.  If Jims were to sell it direct, without Harley involvement, I've got to believe the output would be higher.  Just as with their regular engines, H-D goes conservative.  Two reasons I can think of:  1.- Fewer warranty issues,   2.- Opportunity to get more of your money when you decide that 1hp per inch isn't enough.

BTW - check out the warranty that some of the aftermarket folks offer on engines.  I've seen more than one that offers at least 2 years, which is more than you can get through H-D.  If you stick with one of the majors, I don't see reliability being any more of a problem than using H-D stuff.

Jerry

[SPIDERMAN]

JCZ In just two months of being on the site I've gotten a lot of good info, but often the talk turns to aftermarket products.This thread started on Rineharts which I like, run on my bikes and tell my friends to if they don't have em already. So, aftermarket is good thing in my mind except where motors are concerned. S&S, Zippers, TP, Patrick Racing and many others produce big inch, powerful  motors. Jim's is the only aftermarket manufacturer H-D chose to have a relationship with.Why? I believe because as was noted that the Jim's motor in a 1hp to 1" config is reliable.My dealer doesn't seem interested in promoting the Jim's motor. I am trying to find out if anyone know's why that might be before I pop for the $$ to buy one. I'm not looking to find out about who makes the biggest baddest motor I could buy to drop in my SERK. I live in SoCal man, that's a no brainer - - - pull out your wallet and 1000 shops between Dago and La La Land want your business. So I'm cool with the chatter, but was trying to avoid the dicussion gettin round to aftermarket motors.Guy who lives down the street from me has got an 01 SERG that smokes the tires goin down the road with just a twist of the throttle in 3rd, 4th and 5th: BUT he's in the shop more than on the road. nuff said

[HUBBARD]

JCZ Sorry about the confusion on who said what. I am looking at the H-D Jim's motor for a number of reasons.I know a lot of you are likely to jump all over this, but H-D doesn't market products that don't meet at least minimum reliability standards. I'm thinking the Jim's motor won't come undone in the middle of a coast to coast run on me. I want more but I want it with some peace of mind. Nothing ruins a 3 week trip like a busted motor. And, if H-D is selling the Jim's motor and it does happen to STB then at least the nearest H-D dealer should have parts and some help to get me back on the road. OK so now all of you can jump all over me and fire off blurbs about 150 hp S&S motors that run forever without breaking down and 175 ftlb Zipper's motors that are so solid Santa replaced old Dasher and Dancer with em . I'm outa here. PS Hubbard, I hear if you sing it cures a stutter

Yeah 'er 'uh, Spiderman,
  The only time I'll stutter is if I'm trying to sell a Truck to a Trucker that stutters!  [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif] The JIMS motor must be assembled.  Why doesn't the MoCo assemble it?  I'm not implying it's an inferior product.  Hell, everybody knows JIMS flywheels have been in Harleys for years.  My comments were referring to the performance, compared to Zipper's, and quite frankly, there is [highlight]NO[/highlight] comparison.  As far as reliability goes, that would depend upon the Engine Builder.  IMO, Don Tilley and Neal Taylor are the Best, and closest, to me.  They completed my Zipper's 120" Motor in Feb. of '04, and I have flat out abused that motor.  Have shown it NO MERCY! [smiley=devil.gif]  Have had 0 problems.  If for some reason I had to take off and ride to the West Coast and back, I would not worry about that Engine comin' apart. 8-)  Hate to dissapoint ya', but the Stealers ain't got no JIMS 120 parts.  But again, with the right Engine Builder, you won't need parts.  Good luck with your project!  Later--HUBBARD        
        

[HUBBARD]

Yeah, 'er 'uh, All Members,
  And I don't want any of you wise a$$es saying, " Hell yeah, it'll run to the West Coast and back. It can't break down in the FEATHERLITE!"   [smiley=trailer.gif]  [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif] Later--HUBBARD

[spydglide]

Hey Hub........you're getting pretty quick in your old age.  You saw that one coming before we could fire it off.  Har!  [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif] spyder

[Twolanerider]

Hey Hub........you're getting pretty quick in your old age.  

Damn Spyder, that's getting pretty fracking personal  [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif]

[spydglide]

Damn Spyder, that's getting pretty fracking personal  [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif]

Hey 2Lane, when you're my age and refer to someone as old , they just laugh.........they know it's a joke.   Har!  spyder [smiley=drink.gif]