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[1abastarsmda]

Well so far 8,000 miles on my 08 SEUC, had 2 bikes last season, I have no complaints yet on anything except the valve noise on the 110  have not done the recall work yet thats this winter and 113" might get done. I only have 1 spot on the chrome  around saddle bag guard, Havent had them change that yet cause it aint a big deal, My mechanics check every connector bolt nut at the service intervals. That what you pay for.

I don't think you can do the 113" from a 110".  I believe you can go to a 117", but not the 113".  I don't remember why, but someone else may chime in with the specifics.

[DCFIREMANN]

Unfortunately, I think a large number of us know first hand the truth concerning the "hand built by a small team" quality versus the regular assembly line.  As in all the loose parts and all the maladjusted parts that come with a CVO.  I personally spent an entire weekend checking and tightening fasteners on my bike shortly after purchase, after I accidentally found a couple loose fasteners, and what I found didn't make me happy.

In my opinion, stated previously on this site, the so-called CVO's should become another model in the Harley lineup and should be built entirely within the normal system.  That includes the paint, which the outside vendors can't seem to consistently handle without major screwups. By doing this, the rapid price escalation in the CVO's could be contained (assuming H-D really wanted to control the price, which won't be true until they find they can't sell what they currently build due to pricing).  You would also get more consistent build quality from the regular assembly line; that's an absolute fact that can't be argued against by anyone with experience in special "off line" assembly operations.  I've been there and done that in the auto business, and the reality isn't what the advertising folks would like you to believe.

BTW, Gecko is absolutely correct.  Calling it a "custom" vehicle, or "hand built", and charging premium prices, does not automatically make for a quality vehicle.  Junk parts, whether assembled by robots, conscientious humans, or hung-over druggies on a Monday morning, result in a bad vehicle.  Bad parts is bad parts, and piss poor engineering is piss poor engineering.  Hanging a fancy name and some extra chrome on bad parts just makes it a more expensive collection of bad parts.

Jerry

With all of the CVO's laying around on the dealers floors right now, I think it has finally come down to the price of the bike. I know the economy has a lot to do with it, but how many people are ready to drop 35 grand on a new bike in these hard times?

Be Safe

THE DAWG

[1abastarsmda]

I was in 2 dealers today.  One had the Orange/Black SERG and the silver SERG, and the other had the Orange/Black SERG on the floor.  I was in the warehouse of the first dealer and there was another O/B SERG still covered up waiting to sell the first one.  They both had other CVO's on the floor, but no SEUC's.  Both dealers saw my bike and neither had seen the ruby before and they both told me that they have tried to get one without success.  So, if anyone is in the market for the O/B or Silver SERG, I know where a few are sitting (both dealers are in the outskirts of Pittsburgh).

[Eqcons]

I beg to differ, albeit in a very minor point: I was always intrigued by the fact that CVO's are built by the same workers from "scratch". I think that is really special.

I'd differ too - IF the assembly quality on CVOs was better than the standard line. But it's not.  I've had 3 CVOs, and two standard bikes in the last few years, and there have always been some basic issues with assembly on the CVOs.  Take my current one:

1) Part of the seal between my inner and outer fairing trapped inside. Very obvious, but they couldn't be bother to fix it. Careless

2) The clear plastic protector strip on top of the left hand side panel badly applied and had a big wrinkle on it. Again, obvious, so why didn't these "hand building artisans" just take it off and put another one on? Careless

3) Split plastic bracket holding the left hand side audio system control on the passenger speaker box, so the screw would not tighten - overtightened at assembly in the factory.  I've sorted it by putting a metal sleeve over it, and it's unseen. Just poor workmanship at the factory again; the guy MUST have known he'd split it, and couldn't be bothered to fit another.... Careless

4) Warning stickers (now removed!) on saddlebag guard rails fitted in HD's usual sloppy fashion, all skewed. They've fitted literally millions of these over the years, and they still can't educate the workers to make a decent job of getting them on straight!


and plenty more that destroy the attractive thoughts that "hand built by dedicated artisans" conjures up.

It SHOULD be a major plus point, but the reality is, it isn't. 

Jim

[porthole]

Saw the preview of the 2010 CVO Sportster, has a funky triangle on the tank

[1abastarsmda]

Saw the preview of the 2010 CVO Sportster, has a funky triangle on the tank

Well, are you going to keep us in suspense?  Where did you see it?  I think we would all like a peek.

[FLSTFI Dave]

As long as we are posting rumors. I copied from another board I belong to. Thats all I know.



CVO no longer to be seperate operation

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Hello, I just wanted to pass some useful info to all CVO owners out there. Since the founding of CVO many years ago the Touring and Softail models have been built in a separate building in York,PA. I am one of the lucky few who build them. Today they announced that they were no longer going to be built by a few (12 on Softail, 28 on Touring) caring and diligent workers. They are going to be intergrated onto the main assembly lines where 75 people at the least put parts on these bikes. We in CVO work in teams of 2 on Softail and 4 on Touring. These 2-4 people built the whole bike not just put a few parts on. We take pride in what we do and try to build the best bike possible and have always beleived that CVO owners really appreciated the idea that the are built this way. When we questioned them on this they stated "The people who buy CVO don't care if they are built indivdually or on the main lines" I have a hard time beleiving this. I would rather have a bike built by 2 people rather than 75 who don't care if the person before them put the right parts on. If you think the same please let your voice be heard. Send letters, email the company, Tell your local dealer to pass your dismay along. Mail letters to Harley Davidson, 1425 Eden Rd, York PA 17403 or Harley Davidson Motor Co,3800 W. Juneau Ave, Milwaukee, WI 53203. If you could please pass this along to any and all CVO owners and Owners Groups it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

Who ever posted this on your other board does not work at York or the CVO plant at York.

I toured York and CVO plant this Past April.  Each and Every Touring CVO bike is built by just two people who follow the bike from start to finish.  Same for the soft tailes built there.

I know others on this site toured the CVO plant, so I am sure they know this too.

[MD-Dave]

Speaking of touring York...  I just got back from a tour.  They would not let us near the assembly area because the 2010 models are being built now.  The tour operators said they had no idea what was being made for 2010 but they got very hush hush when I pointed out that there were a few carts with fenders on them labeled "FLT Fenders".  What do you think this means?  Will there be some kind of Road Glide, just not the FLTR?  There were also fender carts labeled "Road King" and some called "Otto", "Mad Dog" and "Mongrel".  The tour guide said that was the name of the press that they had come off.  Can anyone here verify that?

[Twolanerider]

they got very hush hush when I pointed out that there were a few carts with fenders on them labeled "FLT Fenders".  What do you think this means? 

I can remember in 1980 (I think that's right) when the FLT came out.  I was 19 and told all my bud's that was the ugliest damn thing I'd ever seen on two wheels.  Of course at the time I was probably riding a Hondarumph or whatever else I'd been able to piece together and make go generally straight down the road.  So I didn't really have a high perch to preach from.

But all the buds said that new Harley was EU-GLY.  I said it to.  But my inside voice was jonesing big time.  So some rebirth of a Tour Glide wouldn't break my heart at all.  Assuming they do it well.

[49445CVO]

I was in 2 dealers today.  One had the Orange/Black SERG and the silver SERG, and the other had the Orange/Black SERG on the floor.  I was in the warehouse of the first dealer and there was another O/B SERG still covered up waiting to sell the first one.  They both had other CVO's on the floor, but no SEUC's.  Both dealers saw my bike and neither had seen the ruby before and they both told me that they have tried to get one without success.  So, if anyone is in the market for the O/B or Silver SERG, I know where a few are sitting (both dealers are in the outskirts of Pittsburgh).

Muskegon, MI has these two colors also on the floor

[bbrown]

EVERY THING IS POINTING TO A 2010 SESG
 I hope....