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Air cleaners
« on: August 24, 2009, 10:40:59 PM »

Is there any difference between the ventilator performance air cleaner and the heavy breather? My harley dealer is trying to sell me the air cleaner along with the pro super tuner.
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Re: Air cleaners
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2009, 12:17:47 AM »

The SESG already has the high flow ar cleaner so save you money there. The "Venilator" is almost identical to what comes stock on the SESG. The "Heavy Breather" is a snorkle type intake that is more for looks than performance.  For the tuner the TTS Mastertune is a much better more versitale and stable tuner. Also less $'s than the Super Tuner.

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Re: Air cleaners
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2009, 12:46:38 AM »

The SESG already has the high flow ar cleaner so save you money there. The "Venilator" is almost identical to what comes stock on the SESG. The "Heavy Breather" is a snorkle type intake that is more for looks than performance.  For the tuner the TTS Mastertune is a much better more versitale and stable tuner. Also less $'s than the Super Tuner.

Have seen you writing favorably of the TTS tool a few times now Jim.  Has it become your favorite tuning tool for a non-dyno based effort?
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« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2009, 01:31:07 AM »

Have seen you writing favorably of the TTS tool a few times now Jim.  Has it become your favorite tuning tool for a non-dyno based effort?

Yes and No....The TTS Datamaster and V-tune programs do work well. The issue with them is that it is difficult to hit all throttle and RPM positions on the streets. I have used them with decent results. Doing the tune on the dyno with these programs is very easy and data can be collected much easier. For non dyno based tuning the Daytona TCFI III works very well also. My opinion (as a shop owner) is that there is not a better method to tune than putting a bike on the dyno to get it dialed in. Using the tools from TTS or Daytona makes this process easier and quicker. For a shop to use these tools on the street requires the shop to spend a lot of time on the streets on the customers bike collecting data to build maps from. Personally I do not want to have the liability riding customers bikes that long to get data. Not to mention the time it takes away from other shop duties. Having said all of this an individual user on his or her own bike using the TTS tools can create a very good map for their bike.

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Re: Air cleaners
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2009, 07:22:41 AM »

Yes and No....The TTS Datamaster and V-tune programs do work well. The issue with them is that it is difficult to hit all throttle and RPM positions on the streets. I have used them with decent results. Doing the tune on the dyno with these programs is very easy and data can be collected much easier. For non dyno based tuning the Daytona TCFI III works very well also. My opinion (as a shop owner) is that there is not a better method to tune than putting a bike on the dyno to get it dialed in. Using the tools from TTS or Daytona makes this process easier and quicker. For a shop to use these tools on the street requires the shop to spend a lot of time on the streets on the customers bike collecting data to build maps from. Personally I do not want to have the liability riding customers bikes that long to get data. Not to mention the time it takes away from other shop duties. Having said all of this an individual user on his or her own bike using the TTS tools can create a very good map for their bike.
I couldn't agree more. having access to a Dyno gives the tune a good controlled environment to work in. I ran the V-Tune several times and still not hitting all the cells I wanted. Right now I'm running a map from Fullsac
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Re: Air cleaners
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2009, 08:09:21 AM »

The SESG already has the high flow ar cleaner so save you money there. The "Venilator" is almost identical to what comes stock on the SESG. The "Heavy Breather" is a snorkle type intake that is more for looks than performance.  For the tuner the TTS Mastertune is a much better more versitale and stable tuner. Also less $'s than the Super Tuner.
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The bike runs very well stock withe just the klockwerks pipes I installed. but I am sure it could use a little tweaking now. This wintwr it will get some more mods. I'll be watching this board for options
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Re: Air cleaners
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2009, 08:15:52 AM »

oh oh
 I see the mastertune is a windows program. Is there a way to use this wth a mac?
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Re: Air cleaners
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2009, 08:19:48 AM »

oh oh
 I see the mastertune is a windows program. Is there a way to use this wth a mac?
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Isn't there a way to run a Mac in a Windows environment if it can't?

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Re: Air cleaners
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2009, 08:39:38 AM »

The short answer to that is yes. :nervous:
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Re: Air cleaners
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2009, 09:42:13 AM »

what happens if you get caught in the rain , on these new cvo's with the open air cover, does this mean if can't ride, if that's   the case , thats pretty stupid , don't ya  think
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Re: Air cleaners
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2009, 10:28:20 AM »

They come with a rain sock to put over the AC. The Heavey Breather and Ventilator also come with the rain sock.

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Re: Air cleaners
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2009, 10:41:48 AM »

oh oh
 I see the mastertune is a windows program. Is there a way to use this wth a mac?
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Pick up a copy of "Boot Camp" from Apple.  It allows you to  boot the Mac up in a separate Windows environment.  The Master Tune,  or any other Windows program doesn't have a clue it's running on a Mac. 
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« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2009, 11:30:54 AM »

Pick up a copy of "Boot Camp" from Apple.  It allows you to  boot the Mac up in a separate Windows environment.  The Master Tune,  or any other Windows program doesn't have a clue it's running on a Mac. 
Yea, that's the program I've heard of. :2vrolijk_21:

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Re: Air cleaners
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2009, 11:57:26 AM »

Pick up a copy of "Boot Camp" from Apple.  It allows you to  boot the Mac up in a separate Windows environment.  The Master Tune,  or any other Windows program doesn't have a clue it's running on a Mac. 

If you don't want to have to reboot the Mac, try Parallels or VMWare Fusions. Both of these allow you to run Windows in a window on your Mac OSX desktop. MasterTune (or any other Windows program) can't tell that it's running under Mac OS.
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« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2009, 02:56:33 PM »

so the bike will run with  the rain sock on?
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