Topic: Ventilator Breather vs. Heavy Breather (Read 15996 times)

SixGun · « **on:** December 03, 2009, 09:43:29 AM »

Will someone educate me on this; I currently have a SE Heavy Breather on my 07 Ultra but I had to take my lowers off.

I want to switch to something else so I can put them back on.

What do I need? Can I run the Ventilator that is in the SE catalog? I don't see anything for an 07 110, just something about a backplate.

I'm confused, but then that is nothing new!

geezerglide · « **Reply #1 on:** December 03, 2009, 10:04:37 AM »

From the P&A catalog says will fit 09 + touring bikes. I have one for my ULTRA Limited, however it is an 103" and it fits no problem. I bet you would not have a problem, also they are stock on the 09 SERG with the 110".

geezerglide

Heatwave · « **Reply #2 on:** December 03, 2009, 10:32:07 AM »

I have the Ventilator A/C on my 2010 SE Ultra and it fits as it should and I think it looks great.

Heatwave · « **Reply #3 on:** December 03, 2009, 10:32:53 AM »

Here's a second shot

Hoist! · « **Reply #4 on:** December 03, 2009, 10:33:39 AM »

Is it just me, or is that thing on crooked?!!!

Hoist!

Mr. Wizard · « **Reply #5 on:** December 03, 2009, 10:42:26 AM »

Here is the chrome version that is on Harley's site. It has an -09 part number but that really doesn't mean that it wont fit the 07.

http://www.harley-davidson.com/gma/gma_product.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524448773008&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302320149&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374302320149&bmUID=1259854338108&bmLocale=en_US

Here is the installation instructions for the part. Maybe viewing it will give you an idea if it will work or not?

http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Media/downloads/Service/isheets/-J04843.pdf

But, if you don't want to go this route and have an old Football cover (or other) I have a Stage 1 AC kit that I took off that has about 1200 miles on it.

Mr. Wizard · « **Reply #6 on:** December 03, 2009, 10:45:58 AM »

Quote from: Hoist! on December 03, 2009, 10:33:39 AM

Is it just me, or is that thing on crooked?!!!

Hoist!

I think it's the rotation of the earth on a day that ends in the letter Y that makes it look that way.

I had to give it a double take too. It's even with the pipes and the bottom line of the tank so my guess is... we are both just getting old and senile.

Heatwave · « **Reply #7 on:** December 03, 2009, 10:48:01 AM »

If it is "crooked" it was designed to be that way since there's only on way for it to be positioned. I have the 58mm TB installed which can only be positioned against the bolt patten provided and the A/C must be attached according to the bolt pattern on the TB. The A/C in the picture is solidly attached and there is no way to adjust the position.

If you check out the 2010 SE SG it's pretty much the same...aligned with the bottom of the tank. In any case, its not adjustable.

Heatwave · « **Reply #8 on:** December 03, 2009, 10:55:01 AM »

Here's a another pic. Looks aligned to the tank and the pipe to my eyes. Probably the rotation of the earth impacted the other pics

Hoist! · « **Reply #9 on:** December 03, 2009, 11:03:34 AM »

I'd swear that bike ain't sitting square to the ground! Did you raise the rear or something?

Hoist!

Mr. Wizard · « **Reply #10 on:** December 03, 2009, 11:04:39 AM »

Heatwave... when I purchased my SESG and the ConV this was one of the first things that caught my eye. "Hey, it looks crooked".

The old style football covers on the Stage 1 AC were persnickety and you had to step back and keep adjusting them until they looked straight.

Well, my head was bolted on straight when I was young but now I don't even hang a picture on the wall without a level.

Hoist! · « **Reply #11 on:** December 03, 2009, 11:06:06 AM »

Quote from: Mr. Wizard on December 03, 2009, 11:04:39 AM

Heatwave... when I purchased my SESG and the ConV this was one of the first things that caught my eye. "Hey, it looks crooked".

The old style football covers on the Stage 1 AC were persnickety and you had to step back and keep adjusting them until they looked straight.

Well, my head was bolted on straight when I was young but now I don't even hang a picture on the wall without a level.

It looks straight in the pic of your bike here!

Hoist!

timo482 · « **Reply #12 on:** December 03, 2009, 11:19:17 AM »

there is a version of the heavy breather that fits with the glove boxes

i have read that the lowers will fit with the old heavy breather - but you needed to remove the right glove box

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Mr. Wizard · « **Reply #13 on:** December 03, 2009, 11:20:46 AM »

Quote from: Hoist! on December 03, 2009, 11:06:06 AM

It looks straight in the pic of your bike here!

Hoist!

See... that picture was taken on a day that ended with a "Y" I tell you. It's just weird.

What can I say?? The SESG is just the perfect bike! That's why I'm beating my brains out trying to fix those chip marks in the paint.

...seriously, that sig pic was taken the day she came home and just before the right footboard fell off.

How about this one. It's the wifey's ConV (you know we are going to give Heatwave a complex, he's headed outside right now with a ruler)

DICKW · « **Reply #14 on:** December 03, 2009, 11:23:11 AM »

Quote from: Hoist! on December 03, 2009, 11:06:06 AM

It looks straight in the pic of your bike here!

Hoist!

Looks crooked to me........

Hoist! · « **Reply #15 on:** December 03, 2009, 11:25:35 AM »

Quote from: Mr. Wizard on December 03, 2009, 11:20:46 AM

See... that picture was taken on a day that ended with a "Y" I tell you. It's just weird.

What can I say?? The SESG is just the perfect bike! That's why I'm beating my brains out trying to fix those chip marks in the paint.

...seriously, that sig pic was taken the day she came home and just before the right footboard fell off.

How about this one. It's the wifey's ConV (you know we are going to give Heatwave a complex, he's headed outside right now with a ruler)

That looks straight too!

Hoist!

Hoist! · « **Reply #16 on:** December 03, 2009, 11:26:08 AM »

Quote from: DICKW on December 03, 2009, 11:23:11 AM

Looks crooked to me........

I think YOU'RE crooked.................................in the HEAD!!!

Hoist!

Heatwave · « **Reply #17 on:** December 03, 2009, 11:27:56 AM »

Quote from: Hoist! on December 03, 2009, 11:03:34 AM

I'd swear that bike ain't sitting square to the ground! Did you raise the rear or something?

Hoist!

The suspension is stock...untouched. However I do run with 40psi in the rear shocks. I'm a big guy 6"4" and around 265. I found that running less pressure in the rear suspension caused it to bottom out too often. Right now its perfect at 40 psi, whether I'm solo or 2-up. Could the rear suspension with 40psi look elevated without my "load" on the bike?

Hoist! · « **Reply #18 on:** December 03, 2009, 11:30:28 AM »

Quote from: Heatwave on December 03, 2009, 11:27:56 AM

The suspension is stock...untouched. However I do run with 40psi in the rear shocks. I'm a big guy 6"4" and around 265. I found that running less pressure in the rear suspension caused it to bottom out too often. Right now its perfect at 40 psi, whether I'm solo or 2-up. Could the rear suspension with 40psi look elevated without my "load" on the bike?

No, I don't believe so. It's gotta be the angle these pics are taken from. Unless the TB itself is mounted crooked to the heads, the breather as you said, can only go on 1 way. Either it's the angle of the pics causing it to look distorted, or the TB isn't mounted correctly. From the pics though, I'd take a close look at your TB mounting.

Hoist!

Mr. Wizard · « **Reply #19 on:** December 03, 2009, 11:36:10 AM »

OK... this is what we call a "Primo Hijacked Thread".

Hoist! · « **Reply #20 on:** December 03, 2009, 11:47:28 AM »

Quote from: Mr. Wizard on December 03, 2009, 11:36:10 AM

OK... this is what we call a "Primo Hijacked Thread".

HeHe!!! Nowhere close! At least we're still talking breathers here!

Hoist!

Heatwave · « **Reply #21 on:** December 03, 2009, 12:01:31 PM »

OK...you guys are a real Pain in the a** (in a good way of course). I just came back from the garage. Took the A/C off. Fussed with it and re-installed it. Is this better? Are you guys happy now??? (I know I am, since it now looks straighter to me but who knows...you guys will probably tell me its now crooked in the opposite direction....)

Heatwave · « **Reply #22 on:** December 03, 2009, 12:02:30 PM »

Another pic

Heatwave · « **Reply #23 on:** December 03, 2009, 12:03:06 PM »

and a last

Fired00d · « **Reply #24 on:** December 03, 2009, 12:04:54 PM »

Quote from: Heatwave on December 03, 2009, 12:01:31 PM

OK...you guys are a real Pain in the a** (in a good way of course). I just came back from the garage. Took the A/C off. Fussed withit and re-installed it. Is this better? Are you guys happy now??? (I know I am since it now looks straighter to me but who knows...you guys will probably tell me its now crooked in the oppositie direction....

You're to easy.... is that a fingerprint I see on.... oh, and is this crooked...??

Ride Safe,
Fired00d

Boatman · « **Reply #25 on:** December 03, 2009, 12:06:03 PM »

I liked it better crooked!

Hoist! · « **Reply #26 on:** December 03, 2009, 12:06:08 PM »

Frankly, it looks much better, but to me, it's still slightly off in the same direction as before. But that might just be the pic angle. I'll leave ya alone with this now. It just seemed real obvious before. Not as much now. Have fun man!

Hoist!

Mr. Wizard · « **Reply #27 on:** December 03, 2009, 12:06:20 PM »

OMG!! I knew it, I knew it, I knew it. Could feel you walking out to your bike for a double take.

Nice job!

Heatwave · « **Reply #28 on:** December 03, 2009, 12:07:24 PM »

Quote from: Fired00d on December 03, 2009, 12:04:54 PM

You're to easy.... is that a fingerprint I see on.... oh, and is this crooked...??

Ride Safe,
Fired00d

Sh*t...back to the garage.....

DICKW · « **Reply #29 on:** December 03, 2009, 01:16:28 PM »

Quote from: Heatwave on December 03, 2009, 12:07:24 PM

Sh*t...back to the garage.....

Bring the front up just a tad.....that should do it.

SixGun · « **Reply #30 on:** December 03, 2009, 02:19:29 PM »

I'm going with the ventilator, you guys are out of control and you all should be at work anyway right?

timo482 · « **Reply #31 on:** December 04, 2009, 06:17:53 PM »

hell i just want to know who the girl in the picture is

who cares if the air cleaner is crooked....

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jfh · « **Reply #32 on:** December 12, 2009, 09:25:37 AM »

Quote from: SixGun on December 03, 2009, 02:19:29 PM

I'm going with the ventilator, you guys are out of control and you all should be at work anyway right?

SixGun,

There is a new Heavy Breather designed for use with fairing lowers. I removed my Ventilator because of the oil that drips from the bottom after it becomes saturated. The Heavy Breather completely eliminated that problem.

BigRed · « **Reply #33 on:** December 13, 2009, 01:04:38 PM »

SE is now making a heavy breather that is shorter to allow for lowers.

SixGun · « **Reply #34 on:** December 14, 2009, 09:07:47 PM »

My buddy with a 2009 Glide is swapping out with me, no money! Plus it say 110 so I'm good. Thanks

Great call by MoCo to wait a few years before figuring out to make a breather that fits every bike...Dumb A#$es!

Bandit4142 · « **Reply #35 on:** December 14, 2009, 09:27:36 PM »

I installed the "Old" Heavy Breather with my lowers....

SID8D2 · « **Reply #36 on:** December 15, 2009, 08:09:38 PM »

Quote from: Bandit4142 on December 14, 2009, 09:27:36 PM

I installed the "Old" Heavy Breather with my lowers....

That looks good, Are those RG lowers? Looks like the Glove Box would interfer? I wonder how much shorter the new SE Heavy Breather is and if the Glove Box would still fit?

SixGun · « **Reply #37 on:** December 15, 2009, 11:00:09 PM »

Now see, that would not work with my lowers!

Bandit4142 · « **Reply #38 on:** December 16, 2009, 09:36:51 PM »

Yes, they are factory Road Glide Lowers, and no, I don't have the boxes. That's a good point, if I did, the old Heavy Breather wouldn't fit.

RK2000 · « **Reply #39 on:** December 16, 2009, 10:28:00 PM »

Six Gun I believe what you will find is that the Ventilator is made for 50mm TB that is on the 08 and later. The 07s had 46mm TB. Bolt pattern may be different

SixGun · « **Reply #40 on:** December 17, 2009, 03:10:14 PM »

Good to know, since my buddy left for Iraq yesterday I guess I will have to wait until Feb to find out. Oh well, I'm replacing the handlebars, inner fairing, and tourpak, and lowering it, and moving the licsense plate bracket, amp,...etc...

I got enough to keep me busy...

Dan_Lockwood · « **Reply #41 on:** December 18, 2009, 09:05:31 AM »

This is not a great picture, taken with my iPhone the day I brought it home.

I've since tried to rotate the air cleaner to be level with the bike, not the tank. This thing is bolted in and cannot rotate to a horizontal plane. It bolts to the TB and the TB is not able to be rotated either.

I didn't spend much time on this, but I'm sure I can do some tweaking somewhere to level it out.

But if you look very close at some of the pictures of the SERG that the factory put out up front, the motor is NOT truly vertical in the frame, it tilts forward just a bit. Take a look at the lifter blocks and the heads just above the exhaust ports. They are not the same from front to rear.

Heatwave · « **Reply #42 on:** December 18, 2009, 09:27:06 AM »

The Ventilator will also works with the 58mm TB as well. Here's a pic on the Ventilator installed on a 58mm TB on my 2010 SE Ultra (TP detached). There is "a little" adjustment you can get from the ventilator A/C to get it to better align with the bottom of the gas tank. Remove the 2 screws holding the 110 logo. You can now loosen the screws holding the cover in place. I found that if I removed the cover and re-installed it with a little upward pressure on both the forward end of the backing plate and then the cover you can make a slight adjustment to better align the overall A/C to your preference.

geezerglide · « **Reply #43 on:** December 21, 2009, 07:02:06 PM »

HD Ventilator replacingmthe stock AC on my 2010 ULTRA Limited 103".

Also, a set of Supertrapp Fatshots.

geezerglide

1abastarsmda · « **Reply #44 on:** January 03, 2010, 12:08:01 AM »

Quote from: Hoist! on December 03, 2009, 10:33:39 AM

Is it just me, or is that thing on crooked?!!!

Hoist!

I was just going to say the same thing. It's not on there straight.

1abastarsmda · « **Reply #45 on:** January 03, 2010, 12:10:39 AM »

Quote from: DICKW on December 03, 2009, 11:23:11 AM

Looks crooked to me........

I think I need to go take a pic of mine and see if it looks straight in the photo.

1abastarsmda · « **Reply #46 on:** January 03, 2010, 12:21:10 AM »

After sitting down next to my bike and looking at it directly, mine looks like the ventilator angles down toward the front also. There is no adjustment due to the way the backplate bolts up directly to the throttle body. I still like the looks of it.

1abastarsmda · « **Reply #47 on:** January 03, 2010, 12:31:48 AM »

One other item to add here...my understanding is that they now make a heavy breather for use with lowers. Part #28716-10 fits with fairing lower glove boxes.

OhioDave · « **Reply #48 on:** January 03, 2010, 11:40:25 AM »

Quote from: 1abastarsmda on January 03, 2010, 12:21:10 AM

After sitting down next to my bike and looking at it directly, mine looks like the ventilator angles down toward the front also. There is no adjustment due to the way the backplate bolts up directly to the throttle body. I still like the looks of it.

We all know you well enough to know that this thing being crooked will bug the chit outta you !!!

1abastarsmda · « **Reply #49 on:** January 03, 2010, 01:02:02 PM »

Quote from: OhioDave on January 03, 2010, 11:40:25 AM

We all know you well enough to know that this thing being crooked will bug the chit outta you !!!

It's not bugging me at all. It looks great on there. What does bug me is that I scraped my new Honda Pilot on the garage door opening late New Year's Eve. I should have listened to my friend that told me not to try to put that thing in my garage that night. I suppose I was visibly more out of balance than I felt I was. Chit happens and I'm too often the culprit.

Author Topic: Ventilator Breather vs. Heavy Breather (Read 15996 times)