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[BadAss2]

Was at the local Harley dealer yesterday and was told that at their last dealer meeting 2 weeks ago, that Harley announced due to the EPA regulations restricting engine modifications, that Harley will discontinue the Screamin Eagle exhaust product line. Can anyone confirm this?

[Trippin]

hello my name is trippin

[SPIDERMAN]

The general manager of San Diego H-D told me the same thing two weeks ago.He said a bunch dealers are putting in large orders for the SE Exhausts and stockpiling them. He also said he wouldn't be ordering any more than what his customers wanted.  

Big B

[fatboyse2]

The situation with G-man narrowing more and more our ability to differentiate our rides and express our individuality is just incredible.  Read http://flhrsei.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1136645133
it covers where the EPA is heading and how truely helpful the moco is being in giving them everything they want.  If HD stops selling SE pipes, then SE other performance parts are definately next. A lot of inovation from smaller companies will be lost since they cannot keep up with the cost and complexity that epa "approved" drive train parts will require.  We'll have a ten year gap (remember the late 70s and 80s for cars) before new "approved" technology truely emerges into the motorcycle parts availability list.  This just pisses me off

[BobD]

We all need to keep in mind these regs have been in place for the auto industry for a long time - even before the Clean Air Act of 1979 that's got our industry in its cross hairs now. Yeah, the MoCo probably won't be in the aftermarket exhaust business any longer. Will it keep others out or prevent us from installing our signature systems? Probably not. It sure hasn't in the auto business where engine, exhaust and driveline alterations are commonplace. The EPA out of practicality usually limits its enforcement to gross abuse cases. [smiley=stop.gif]

[HARLEYBILL]

I'm not suprised. Anyone who is a member of AMA and reads their members magazine probably was wondering how long it would be before Harley bit the bullet. Harley always had the disclaimer that these products were for "off road racing" and not designed by them for street use. Of course if one were to audit the repair orders of any dealer usually 100% of the installs were made on registered/plated bikes. A issue could be made about this even though in theory the dealer is a independent contractor. It's kind of like Harley is distributing the dope and the dealers are selling it.
Too much at stake for them to continue the promotion of noise.
Take a look at high performance automobiles today that can rip the 0-60 times under 5 seconds and still meet all govt noise standards. They had to adapt and now the crosshairs are on us.
I,for one,am in favor of throaty,powerful sound ,but the obnoxious loud pipes aren't going to cut it. Most cycle magazines that feature custom bikes preach at the altar for more subdued sound but feature the custom bikes with straight pipes!
It' [smiley=nixweiss.gif] [smiley=jalapeno.gif]s coming.....................................................................

[Screamin]

Don't throw away your OEM take off pipes. I fear the day is fast approaching when we'll need them.  [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=nervous.gif] [smiley=drink.gif]

[HUBBARD]

Don't throw away your OEM take off pipes. I fear the day is fast approaching when we'll need them.

[VaEagle]

I imagine that is why we don't see a factory bike with a 120"or a 124" since it would be hard to meet EPA regulations.
I agree that H-D can and will meet EPA regulations and still offer performance but I bet it will come at a price. Mainly an engine rediesign such as a V-rod type configuration for the softails and touring bikes.
Our Air-cooled v-twin may be on it's last legs if the government has it's way.
I know if H-D develops a large V-rod type engine it could out-perform what we have now but it won't be the same. Those of you old enough to remember the muscle car era will always remember the sound of a loping big block.The newer cars can out-perform those old cars but they don't have the soul.
Just like the article in Cycle World magazine, the Goldwing out-performs the Harley in speed and power but how many of us will trade for one?

[mhjimh]

They'll have to pry my RINEHART's out of my cold, dead hands!   There endeth the lesson.  Later--HUBBART
(YA!!!!) WHAT HE SAID!!!!!!!
MOTORHEAD JIM

[fatboyse2]

[highlight]I imagine that is why we don't see a factory bike with a 120"or a 124" since it would be hard to meet EPA regulations.[/highlight]
I agree that H-D can and will meet EPA regulations and still offer performance but I bet it will come at a price. Mainly an engine rediesign such as a V-rod type configuration for the softails and touring bikes.
Our Air-cooled v-twin may be on it's last legs if the government has it's way.
I know if H-D develops a large V-rod type engine it could out-perform what we have now but it won't be the same. Those of you old enough to remember the muscle car era will always remember the sound of a loping big block.The newer cars can out-perform those old cars but they don't have the soul.
Just like the article in Cycle World magazine, the Goldwing out-performs the Harley in speed and power but how many of us will trade for one?

I'm not sure that's the case.  The number of cubes is not the issue, control of the emissions are what's important.  They are fitting the newer bikes with catalysts in the pipes (that's why they weight damn near 4 times the thunderheaders I replaced them with).  Remember the EGR value they put on your old 1976+ car that caused an immediate 40% reduction in performance and a pass on the emissions test...  I would expect they will also shift away from the air cooled bikes we love and towards the liquid cooled vrod style engine as they have more control over the emissions on them.

[CVOJOE]

[highlight]They'll have to pry my RINEHART's out of my cold, dead hands!

[The Mysterious Q!]

So does this mean that the full SE exhaust I took of my scoot will be a collectors item and I can get good money for them on EBAY? Just wondering. Later,Q

[Screamin_Beagle]

Daddy,
    Keep the freakin thing.  The day is most certainly coming when they will be making us smog our bikes.  An  furthermore,  the new EPA regulations are going to get tighter,  so the MoCo will be forced into a liquid cooled engine (better control over engine temp, emmissions etc.)  It is certainly going to be a sad day when the american V-Twin dies)...and don't kid yourself....the day is coming

Now,  on the up side.  Bikes that were bought before the new EPA regs will be grandfathered to the emmission standards for when the bike was manufactured,  so as long as you keep your old pipes and breather you may be able to squeek under.......(as long as you haven't gone nuts with heads and cams)........IMHO

_Beagle

[grc]

The big crunch for motorcycle emissions is 2008 for California, and 2010 for the rest of the country.  That's when the next reduction is scheduled, and air cooled V-twins are not expected to come close.

Jerry