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[1Man1God]

I wish I never opened up the Twin Cam thread. All I'm hearin' is how the 110" is a P.O.S. yet most of you own one! Now I ain't used to throwing 30K at a P.O.S.! I realize that HD is 'vintage' I.E. (outdated) technology, but give me 'somethin' to be proud of here damn it! I put 57,000miles on the '07 Ultra Classic 96 cu.in. in 30 months without so much as a hiccup! All I did was change fluids. She started everytime and basically preserved my sanity through a divorce! She got me back hone safe 'many' nights when I couldn't even see. And you're tellin me I traded her for a P.O.S. that needs to be trailered everywhere it goes? Gimme somethin' I can hang onto for christ sake!

[Cowboy2]

The 110 is CERTAINLY not a POS......

I bought new one, and have a few posts running, on checking it out as it seems to be running a bit hot...  But look, there must be THOUSANDS of the 110's out there, and how many here on this Forum having problems?  What, 30? 40? 50? The point is probably not a very high percentage...

That and 90% of the problems seem to be in the early first few years of them, better by 09, good by 10, and I am hearing all sorted out by the 2011's....

I have a 103 and a 110, and just want to get all the ducks in a row before I let go of the 103.... Or put a 120R and swap out the 103.

Anyway, I would not stress, run it and enjoy it. 

[Harley Guy 5]

I'm with you th 03 RKing i had over 40,000 no problems, the 2009 UC with 23000 NO problems, the new 2011 CVO UC I have to put some miles on her before i can say anything.  I did notice all the bad comes out here and everybody jumps on real fast, but after they fine the problem and most of the time it was a smiple fix,  I think we just have a lot of wenner here

[GregKhougaz]

"You better not shout, You better not pout. You better not cry...."  The 09 and later 110's seem to be Okay.  Once you let them breath and get a good tune, they even make power.  22.5k and fine here.  (Knock on wood, of course.)  And your complaint was??

[Twolanerider]

All I'm hearin' is how the 110" is a P.O.S. yet most of you own one!

Not everyone 

[hd-dude]

Not everyone 

 

[2018_FLTRXSE]

"You better not shout, You better not pout. You better not cry...."  The 09 and later 110's seem to be Okay.  Once you let them breath and get a good tune, they even make power.  22.5k and fine here.  (Knock on wood, of course.)  And your complaint was??

If yours goes like mine does.. you got about 900 miles before yours is in the shop!

[Screamin]

It's been said before and I'll say it again. They're not all a POS!! This forum exists to discuss the bad and good of our rides. My experience w/ my '09 has been very good for over 25 thousand and I expect it to do the same for many more miles. (knock on wood). Sure it runs a little hot but I've never been around a "cold" running air cooled motor. Losing the cat and a good tune were my first mods and I'm not at all upset at all about heat. I compare my 110 to the venerable 103 SE motors. My 103 was/is a real runner but it suffered more issues than my 110. To insure against the damn tensioners failing I had to put in a cam and gear drive.
Bottom line for me is that the 110, or 103, or 96 is a crap shoot. I think the odds of getting a winner are way higher than not. Ride it, enjoy it, be proud of it and if it breaks get it fixed.

[kraut]

I just had my 110 checked in depth after 15.000 m and I'm very pleased indeed. I had virtually no issues except one damp connector easily cured. Most reliable bike since my 95 cui FLHRCI of 2002 - and far better handling. All 110's we got in Dresden since 2008 had no problems as of today. So don't panic 

[Gecko]

I'll say it: The 110 is a POS.  I have an '07 and wish I had my '98 Evo back.  Anybody ever hear anything official from HD (not ..."heard they switched suppliers on"... but actual "We no longer use the crap _____ like we used to") about what exactly they changed to make the later ones so much better?  Mine sounds like somebody put an axe handle against the side of a wagon wheel - and it's "normal".

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[DESERTBEAR54]

I got 1000 miles on my 2010 SEUC before I got a new Engine and Transmission. Runs great now in the cooler 70 degree temps but I'm still alittle sceptical about when it gets up to a 110 degrees here next spring.

[dep47]

I have 27000 miles on my 2010 SE5 and have had no issues.  Only been in the shop for tires.  I love it.  Had and 09 UC with the 96 and never had any problems with the engine either.  I ride in South Texas and have toured all over two up loaded on the SE5 and it has never let me down.  Best bike I have owned.

[ultrafxr]

I can speak from experience since I have an '07 and now a '11 both bought new.  The '07s had way, way more than their share of problems.  But after numerous attempts at a fix (and a new motor in mine at 22k) the moco finally seems to have found the cure in the fall of '08 when they did the recall, no wait that was an enhancement, lol.  Anyway the new heads, head gaskets, base gaskets and ACRs have fixed mine.  Two years and about 30k miles later and absolutely no problems with my '07.  So I am confident that the '11 will be OK.  Only problem I am having so far is that it is HOT.  The new style exhaust is much better on my co-rider - she likes it fine.  But the way the rear cylinder pipe is  routed it sure throws up way more heat on my right thigh.

[Talon]

The EVO was a step forward for Harley, the 110 sounds like a step back, along with the poor quality over all. Keep your older bikes and just throw money into them!

Craig

[HogBreath]

My first 110 was an 07 model. Head gaskets at 5500 miles. Head gaskets at 11,000 miles. Bad crank and complete rebuild at 16,000 miles. HD fixed it on their dime every time.

I've had two more 110 engines both in 09 models, and a brand new 110 in an 2011 model. All three of those combined don't have enough miles to know if I'd have probelms or not.

Yes, too many problems. Yes HD footed the bill to fix, repair or replace. No complaints with that. My biggest complaint is they won't just own up to their mistakes. I'd rather hear them say they have an ongoing problem they intend to correct than to hear them say my bike is the only one they've heard of with that problem. Log onto CVOHD and find out 90% of the 07 110 engines have head gasket leaks.

Just say what you mean and mean what you say.

[timo482]

i have a 07 96" ultra with a sidecar - 1600 gcvwr

when it had 1000 miles it needed new rings - they put rings, pistons, wrist pins, hone - and broke it in on the dyno

its flawless - uses zero oil between oil changes - pulls the sidecar on cruise control at 80 no problem

no noises, no farts, starts perfect.

best bike ive ever owned  - my first bike was a 79 sportster i got in fall of 78.

all that said - when i do have to work on the engine - ill have the crank welded & install timkens. & i may yet do gear cams - with a sidecar getting to the cam case is a *b*!. & my 2001 ate its cam chains and i dont trust even the new ones now *sigh*

so no they are not all bad - but some obviously are - and when the crank shifts it really really sucks.

but the sportster ate valve guides & rod bearings, repeatedly - and the electra glide ate ... rods, pistons, valve guides, primary and trans seals, leaked all over and would only start on the first kick for a week after a tune.

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[1Man1God]

  Ya just gotta love it when you grab that stick....and give her a little twist....    I fully understand that HD has problems. I've got an old '81 AMF FXE out in the Garage right now....She's spread out all over the bench. It's hard to get motivated when you've got one to ride. Fact is though, most of us.    WOULDN'T  ride anything else! I just wanted to hear somebody say it!  Merry Christmas Everyone! I'm headed out to the Garage.... Start putting the 'Crazy Bitch' back together. I call her that cause she takes all my money, and I hardly ever get to ride her.....Merry Christmas! See ya in Tahoe!

[LarryB]

i have over 32k miles on my 09 110, any issues have been minor. main one is the compensator, but that has been addressed on the new 11's.
most that have had issues are the ones that have torn into them for mods. i did all my mods myself and the Grey Ghost runs great.
i work for a hd dealer and we see many more issues with the EVO's.

[strokerjlk]

 

I work for a hd dealer and we see many more issues with the EVO's

What issues are you speaking of?

[LarryB]

mostly worn out, leaking, no oil pressure, not given a decent burial,

[2018_FLTRXSE]

The 110s may not all be crap, but mine had an "acceptable noise" by HD standards that resulted in failure of the lifters.

My money is that had this been deemed unacceptable and replaced early on, I would not be sitting here behind a keyboard for over a month while the dealer waits for parts (last items came in today)

So... I wont get it back by Christmas... but maybe by new years... dealership has 2 techs and is SWAMPED with work.

Not too concerned... but at least I will get it back.... lets see if the angry birds go away and I get a relatively quiet, fun runnign motor....

[bubtrauma]

Just reading between the lines.

I've owned two CVO 110's (wifes). One was less than adequate and the one I still ride runs great, gets excellent mileage, doesn't use any (money)oil between changes, and doesn't (waste) puke any (money)oil no matter how hard I to ride it. I've also owned an (older one)Evo that was gutless but reliable. I've owned a few (trials) Twin Cam 88's that were reliable, i've also (Had some)owned some that were (money eaters) oil eating dogs. I've (dated) owned two SE 103's, one was great, the other was a piece of crap. It seems any (one)HD engine can be reliable, or it can be crap. The bottom line is (they all)that the Motor Company really needs to clean up their act or suffer the consequences. The next (time I, we) generation likely won't put up with the stuff we have. I nearly (dated another one) put a deposit on a 2011 CVO Turd Glide but reconsidered after hearing about some of the quality issues. And so far, my present (one) CVO 110 has been the most reliable (one) Harley I've owned, so it's a keeper.


Let me now apoligize for this but I JUST couldn't resist.....and NEAL dosn't call me SF for nothing.

[strokerjlk]

mostly worn out, leaking, no oil pressure, not given a decent burial,

is that you final answer? LOL
That's what happens when you rack up miles on them. why bury them when you can freshen them up?
the twin cams are cheaper to mod, have FI in there favor, but it is hard to beat an EVO for reliability.
a lot of dealerships turn them away, when they are in need of freshening up. sad that the young-ens dont know how to work on anything over 12 years old. hell most of them are barley over that age themselves.

[HUBBARD]

is that you final answer? LOL
That's what happens when you rack up miles on them. why bury them when you can freshen them up?
the twin cams are cheaper to mod, have FI in there favor, but it is hard to beat an EVO for reliability.
a lot of dealerships turn them away, when they are in need of freshening up. sad that the young-ens dont know how to work on anything over 12 years old. hell most of them are barley over that age themselves.

I concur.  Had 2 Evo's.  Modified them enough to bust everyone elses a$$, and they ran forever.  Until the 2cams were born.  Evo gave them a hard time through 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, then it was over.  Had a lot of fun on those Evos'.  Still havin' fun on my 2cam.  Down at present, but will be back uip soon.  Later--HUBBARD 

[iski]

I wish I never opened up the Twin Cam thread. All I'm hearin' is how the 110" is a P.O.S. yet most of you own one! Now I ain't used to throwing 30K at a P.O.S.! I realize that HD is 'vintage' I.E. (outdated) technology, but give me 'somethin' to be proud of here damn it! I put 57,000miles on the '07 Ultra Classic 96 cu.in. in 30 months without so much as a hiccup! All I did was change fluids. She started everytime and basically preserved my sanity through a divorce! She got me back hone safe 'many' nights when I couldn't even see. And you're tellin me I traded her for a P.O.S. that needs to be trailered everywhere it goes? Gimme somethin' I can hang onto for christ sake!

Had an 07 110 - several issues, MoCo fixed - no cost to me but my 07 was a PITA.  Have a 2010 110 now.  No issues & love it long time.  

Would not pay much attention to those who just bash an entire engine platform based on 1 bike or 1 overall bad experience.  Of course some back in 07-08 were treated like crap, and others were not.  I was one of those who were not so my opinions are based on that experience. HD made improvements in the 110 mid 2008 that made those models & the ones going forward better engines.

BTW - I ride......and my 2010 has NEVER been on a trailer.

[HOGMIKE]

Had an 07 110 - several issues, MoCo fixed - no cost to me but my 07 was a PITA.  Have a 2010 110 now.  No issues & love it long time.  

Would not pay much attention to those who just bash an entire engine platform based on 1 bike or 1 overall bad experience.  Of course some back in 07-08 were treated like crap, and others were not.  I was one of those who were not so my opinions are based on that experience. HD made improvements in the 110 mid 2008 that made those models & the ones going forward better engines.

BTW - I ride......and my 2010 has NEVER been on a trailer.

Neither has my '95! But my '65 was, once, hole in the rear piston (my fault!)

[iski]

Neither has my '95! But my '65 was, once, hole in the rear piston (my fault!)

Willing to bet the "hole in the rear piston" story is worth telling.

Merry Christmas!

[HOGMIKE]

Willing to bet the "hole in the rear piston" story is worth telling.

Merry Christmas!

It is, but, it takes a few beers to get there!

[131fun]

The solution to 110 is to go bigger. Try 120 or even better yet 131 for size... Ask me what I know about big builds...

I have one... 

[CVOSE]

I bought a new 07, 110 SERK in 08. In the second week I had it tuned on a dyno. The result was 98 bhp and less heat. Fuel economy very good. Top speed 120.
When in for the 1000mls service the dealer did the modifications.
Till now I drove 17000mls without any problem.
No oil use. No strange noises. Use it in all kinds of whether, except when there is salt on the streets.
It gives me lots of pleasure to ride it.

A merry Christmas for everyone.

[iski]

It is, but, it takes a few beers to get there!

An even better story.  Will have a few beers anyway, just because.   

[Robmay]

I've had an 07 and 09 CVO SE Ultra. My 07 had cylinder leaks at about 6k, my 09 had a clacking noise from day one that I finally got fixed at an out of town dealer (100+ miles away) right before I traded it. I went with a stock 96 ultra in 2010, upgraded to a 103. That one had some issues as well, but most self inflicted.

I now have a 2011 FLTRUSE road glide and it has been in the shop for the following:

1. clutch seals leaking fluid onto clutch handle, seals replaced.

2. replacement seals didn't work, so clutch cylinder was replaced.

3. upon replacement of clutch master cylinder, dealer noticed clear coat had been affected by brake fluid that blew on it while riding.

4. fixed aforementioned paint problems.

5. upon receipt of bike, noticed CD door cover was hanging slightly. Door was broken on a clip or two; radio needed to be replaced.

6. replaced radio.

7. upon receipt and first ride, noticed the key fob nor dash switch would lock the locks. Also ignition switch was very hard to turn all the way to the "lock" (far left) position (this was from day on however).

8. returned to have locking mechanism fixed.

9. upon receipt, first ride right blinker stuck to solid on along with the right front and right rear bulb. Also, red key icon on dash came and stayed on.

10. returned to fix. Just got it back today.

Hopefully that will be it. I think the problems after the clutch repair were self inflicted by a tech or two so can't say that was faulty harware.

The only challenge I have with this bike is the heat I STILL experience after installing a TTS fuel management system and fullsac baffles (both exceptional product btw). Personally, I think with all the changes HD has had to make regarding EPA regulations, the ECM 9brain box) will only allow you to tune it so far. I think once you have ridden the bike after a tune (changes to AFR, making it richer to cool) it brings it back to a default rnage of at or near stoich (14.7) which burns the piss out of my right lower leg in the summer time.

Other than that....this is the most comfortable bike I have owned to date including a lot more than the ones mentioned above.

I think a lot (if not most) of the problems we have with our bikes are self inflicted. Harley spends a lot of money on R&D to get these bikes right. Once we start changing things, the ripple effect sets in. I've seen a few folks on here that go 10's of thousands of miles with zero problems and they run stock.

[Robmay]

The solution to 110 is to go bigger. Try 120 or even better yet 131 for size... Ask me what I know about big builds...

I have one... 

From what I have seen, most bigger bore engine manufacturers brag about going 25k miles.

[strokerjlk]

The only challenge I have with this bike is the heat I STILL experience after installing a TTS fuel management system and fullsac baffles (both exceptional product btw). Personally, I think with all the changes HD has had to make regarding EPA regulations, the ECM 9brain box) will only allow you to tune it so far. I think once you have ridden the bike after a tune (changes to AFR, making it richer to cool) it brings it back to a default rnage of at or near stoich (14.7) which burns the piss out of my right lower leg in the summer time

did you have it tuned,or did you just load a canned map.
while your statement about the ECM taking it back to stoich.is off,it is also somewhat true.
the ECM just does what you program it to do. if you leave it in closed loop ,it will make adjustments to maintain stoich. AFV (adaptive fuel values) will make changes to the closed loop portion of the map,then apply it to open loop as well.
have it tuned in all open loop. same as the pre EPA open loop bikes were. now it cant use the AFV'S because there is no closed loop portion to allow the  AFV'S to change anything. set your cruise area to 14.2 and you can run any ethanol fuel and still get good mileage. set the idle to 13.8-14.0 and you wont believe how much they cool down.
I dont tune any of them in closed loop anymore.
I just remembered you have a 2011 bike. so do the same thing working with Lambda instead of AFR. so have your tuner set cruise between .967 and .974 idle between .940 and .954

[Robmay]

did you have it tuned,or did you just load a canned map.
while your statement about the ECM taking it back to stoich.is off,it is also somewhat true.
the ECM just does what you program it to do. if you leave it in closed loop ,it will make adjustments to maintain stoich. AFV (adaptive fuel values) will make changes to the closed loop portion of the map,then apply it to open loop as well.
have it tuned in all open loop. same as the pre EPA open loop bikes were. now it cant use the AFV'S because there is no closed loop portion to allow the  AFV'S to change anything. set your cruise area to 14.2 and you can run any ethanol fuel and still get good mileage. set the idle to 13.8-14.0 and you wont believe how much they cool down.
I dont tune any of them in closed loop anymore.
I just remembered you have a 2011 bike. so do the same thing working with Lambda instead of AFR. so have your tuner set cruise between .967 and .974 idle between .940 and .954

Thanks Stroker! That gives me hope. I have only used the map that Steve at Fullsac gave me and I ran the Vtune on it until it was down to less the 2% range.

I was going to have Doc tune it for me after the first of the year when I can get time to line it up with him.

Thanks again.

Rob