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[2dgcrew]

has any one had very bad pinging under heavy excelleration dealer says that they cant do anything about it , they suggeted octane boost , i tried it and it seemed to work ,my problem is i dont think you should spend 32.000 on a bike that cant run on pump gas , dealer also said that i need a tuner but i dont want to change my pipes yet   any suggestions

[sadunbar]

has any one had very bad pinging under heavy excelleration dealer says that they cant do anything about it , they suggeted octane boost , i tried it and it seemed to work ,my problem is i dont think you should spend 32.000 on a bike that cant run on pump gas , dealer also said that i need a tuner but i dont want to change my pipes yet   any suggestions

I wouldn't let your dealer off the hook so easily...  (But you need a tuner...)

[2dgcrew]

i agree but i think moco should pay for tuner or octane boost

[michaelbmenaker]

You need a tuner. Don't blame the dealer or HD, blame the EPA.

[digga25]

What octaine are you using?

[2dgcrew]

108 0ctane

[grc]

108 0ctane

Very funny.  Now, what is the octane rating on the pump at your gas station?  Typical numbers are 87 for "regular", 89 for "mid grade", and 91 to 93 for "premium".  Your Harley is designed to run satisfactorily on 91 octane (R+M/2).  If it doesn't run properly on the fuel grade Harley specifies, then you need to complain to H-D.  It sounds like your dealership is just trying to sell you a $500 SEPST rather than do some diagnostics to see if perhaps you really do have something wrong.  And persistent detonation is not "normal" or acceptable, nor is it the fault of the EPA.  Last time I checked, the EPA does not build or sell motorcycles.  Also last time I checked, lots of other manufacturer's who meet the same standards (motorcycles) or much tougher standards (passenger cars) don't have persistent detonation problems.

Yes, if you have the bike tuned by a competent individual you will probably be much happier with the way the bike runs versus the stock calibration.  That is always true.  But it should not be necessary to have a stock bike "tuned" to eliminate severe detonation.  Call H-D, then find a better dealership. 


Jerry

[Twolanerider]

108 0ctane

Difficult riding up on the airport tarmac to get fuel?

[2dgcrew]

jerry thanks for your input that was my intention all along should be placing call to moco tomorrow will keep you guys informed on moco responce  

[Midnight Rider]

i agree but i think moco should pay for tuner or octane boost

Let me know when that pig takes off...

[Midnight Rider]

Very funny.  Now, what is the octane rating on the pump at your gas station?  Typical numbers are 87 for "regular", 89 for "mid grade", and 91 to 93 for "premium".  Your Harley is designed to run satisfactorily on 91 octane (R+M/2).  If it doesn't run properly on the fuel grade Harley specifies, then you need to complain to H-D.  It sounds like your dealership is just trying to sell you a $500 SEPST rather than do some diagnostics to see if perhaps you really do have something wrong.  And persistent detonation is not "normal" or acceptable, nor is it the fault of the EPA.  Last time I checked, the EPA does not build or sell motorcycles.  Also last time I checked, lots of other manufacturer's who meet the same standards (motorcycles) or much tougher standards (passenger cars) don't have persistent detonation problems.Yes, if you have the bike tuned by a competent individual you will probably be much happier with the way the bike runs versus the stock calibration.  That is always true.  But it should not be necessary to have a stock bike "tuned" to eliminate severe detonation.  Call H-D, then find a better dealership. 
Jerry

Gotta love the truth...

HD's apparent inability to produce an engine that meets EPA standards, the same as ALL other engine manufacturers, without cooking the rider, engine, or other vital parts, is not the fault of the EPA...Geez, HD has known what the standards for any given year are going to be YEARS in advance.  The EPA doesn't make this chit up one week and implement it the next.  If not for EPA standards, everybody living in a major city would be wearing a respirator now...

[mjb765]

Let me know when that pig takes off...