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Re: Why does Harley support chinese clothing?
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2011, 06:47:50 PM »

 How's this for American made jeans.  :)
http://oce.oregon.gov/products/112

 
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Re: Why does Harley support chinese clothing?
« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2011, 06:58:58 PM »

Shop here:  http://www.gussetclothing.com/

Made in the USA, from the material to the sewing.  Blue Ridge, GA.  These are the only jeans I wear...I've had two of the pair since 2006 and worn them a LOT, other than some fraying on the bottom due to my short legs, they are still going strong.  The trademark Gusset in the crotch actually works when riding.  I have their Defender jeans as well...Kevlar where it counts.  They are also great to wear when you don't want to wear your chaps, but still want more protection than regular jeans offer.

Give the "boys" some room... :huepfenlol2:
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Re: Why does Harley support chinese clothing?
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2011, 09:48:37 PM »

Shop here:  http://www.gussetclothing.com/

Made in the USA, from the material to the sewing.  Blue Ridge, GA.  These are the only jeans I wear...I've had two of the pair since 2006 and worn them a LOT, other than some fraying on the bottom due to my short legs, they are still going strong.  The trademark Gusset in the crotch actually works when riding.  I have their Defender jeans as well...Kevlar where it counts.  They are also great to wear when you don't want to wear your chaps, but still want more protection than regular jeans offer.

Give the "boys" some room... :huepfenlol2:
For $126.00 the Defender Jeans better be good!!!   :o

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Re: Why does Harley support chinese clothing?
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2011, 04:02:04 AM »

I bet if an american tee-shirt company went to HD and offered the same quality product at the same price delivered, we would be wearing "made in USA". But, that doesn't happen. The Chinese manufacture, and ship the product across the ocean and we still won't compete. We just complain. I'm sorry but I see it as our fault. With 10% unemployment, why can't we manufacture and sell clothing on our own shore.
Just how I see it.

I found this article interesting.  It discusses how Snapper Mowers told Wal-Mart to take a hike.

http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/102/open_snapper.html

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Re: Why does Harley support chinese clothing?
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2011, 07:08:13 AM »

We have bought from 2 different American Leather companies
Our favorite is Langlitz Leathers...family owned and ran. You can have it custom built for you with a couple of sittings or you can buy it right off the rack. You pay a little more but the quality (leather and workmanship) is well worth it
www.langlitz.com
another is Fox Creek Leathers
www.foxcreekleathers.com
 There are more out there, these are two I can think of.
Good luck with your search  :2vrolijk_21:

 America needs to remember that the EMPLOYEE WAGES/TAXES is what has driven business overseas. We want American made but not everyone wants to pay the price. Some may disagree and say greed BUT the business OWNER is in business to make a profit...high rent, wages, taxes, etc.  Some owners have sold their souls to the devil and need a bigger profit for what ever reason. Phil Knight owner of Nike (sent his business overseas), and has given the University Of Oregon (we look good on the football field, don't we) over 300 million, Stanford University in CA over 15 million, Hillsboro Oregon has the Nike Campus and American researchers...tons of $$$ in Oregon just from 1 man. There is so much more that he does in our great state of Oregon that I could keep going on and on. This is one business owner that has been labeled "Greedy Corp America....could he do that and pay an employee over $20.00 an hour plus benefits  to sew shoes...I think not. I do agree there is greed in America BUT it is everywhere, we have created it...it is just not Corp America...Look around...it is us, your neighbor, greed is everywhere. How much of Corp America is even American owned anymore? I wonder if I am going to be deleted? Sorry just my rant  :soapbox:

  I do agree that Harley has a bunch of over priced imported junk.
 


I see greed here.....If Mr Knight kept his manufacturing in the USA then he probably would only be able to give the University of Oregon $150million instead of $300m
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Re: Why does Harley support chinese clothing?
« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2012, 12:30:01 AM »

In The Bay Area in San Jose Ca. There is Just Leathers. Been in the same location for as long as I can remember and I'll be the double nickel this year.I remember seeing it as a kid with all the ( bad ) bikers  hanging around ya know HA's and the like, but it's was and is a small family run business , you can get custom made Jackets, chaps, saddlebags and more,if fact I replaced my 7 year old harley gear for their stuff and was cheaper too as I got at their twice a year parking lot sale. Go there you won't be dissapointed.
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Re: Why does Harley support chinese clothing?
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2012, 07:38:59 AM »

I've been buying my jeans from All American Clothing for a year now. 

Clothing Made in USA      http://www.allamericanclothing.com/

"Our mission is to support USA families and jobs by producing high-quality clothing in the USA at an affordable price. By keeping our production in the USA we provide jobs and a tax base that supports our communities."

"We care about our country and the people in it; if we were only in it for money we would move our production overseas. We will NOT trade USA jobs for foreign profits..."-- Lawson Nickol, Co-Founder

At the All American Clothing Co our clothes are made by using the best USA materials and labor. When you purchase clothing made in USA you are helping our economy in so many ways! For Example: the jeans are USA made, the box it shipped in was made in the USA, our website is hosted by a USA company, the shipping companies are all from the USA, the people who built our building are USA citizens, etc...As you can see buying clothing that is "Made in USA" affects many jobs in many different industries.
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Re: Why does Harley support chinese clothing?
« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2012, 09:25:32 AM »

you won't change the world by buying products just because they are "american made".

In the end only the most competitive producers will survive, wherever their product may be made.

Donate in welfare would be a better aproach  ;)
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Re: Why does Harley support chinese clothing?
« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2012, 09:47:31 AM »

I will throw the B S flag up. 
One of the major reasons we have no factories left in the USA is the same reason you spend $1500-$2000 on your new HD so it will run.
Ever heard of the Chinese version of the EPA??  To build a factory to EPA specs would simply break the bank. 
Don't get me wrong...I want a clean environment too, but we can't compete if you play by our EPA rules. 

Now for those that say greedy labor is the problem I will also disagree. 
Remember when President Reagan and Lee Iacocca went Japan to point the finger at the CEO of Toyota for being the source of the US automobile problem in the early 80's??
The CEO of Toyota listened to them and then made the one simple point of how many millions Iacocca was making while CEO of non-profitable Chrysler and compared his salary as CEO of the most profitable automobile company of the world (at the time).  Toyota's CEO also pointed out if his company wasn't profitable he was the first to take a pay cut....that doesn't happen in the US!  Our CEO's don't even park the corporate jet.

The disparity between labor and management pay in US companies in the last 10-15 years has increased.  Don't know exact numbers but I am sure someone can internet research it but I think I remember reading an article in the newspaper about the average US CEO makes 300-1 of the average laborer.
In foreign countries the numbers rarely exceeded double digits.  XX-1.

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Re: Why does Harley support chinese clothing?
« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2012, 10:49:23 AM »

Shipping costs are starting to turn the tide back our way in some areas of manufacturing.  I run a large metal stamping company and for parts that have weight to them I am able to knock the socks of the Chinese and other Asian competitors.  I have automated every possible thing in my welding area that I can as cash flow permits.  Unfortunately the more I automate the less people I need. But also I plan on creating new jobs by buying new equipment to expand our area of expertise.  Working on buying a new 1500 to 2500 ton press with a transfer system to enable us to take even larger parts that are done in Asia. 

I hate WalMart since Sam left it to his kids, it is nothing but a Chinese market place.  Will buy my jeans from the site posted above from now on.  It is a shame to pick up a piece of clothing and see made in Vietnam on it.  I will not buy it, if it is given to me as a gift I give it to the dog to chew up.

I am with everyone here, Lets Buy Made In The Good Old USA

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Re: Why does Harley support chinese clothing?
« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2012, 01:00:39 PM »

Amazing my kid came home for the holidays brought my wife and i a couple harley shirts from Appleton HD shop in clarksville , TN  hers made in USA mine made in honduras KOOL SHIRTS
 Just checked out the ones I get around here(michigan) USA and india and Mexico  :nixweiss:
 I guess there made everywhere  :o Did not no that
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Re: Why does Harley support chinese clothing?
« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2012, 01:27:49 PM »

I recently bought a new belt from HD. I had to go through the hole rack to find one that was real leather and made in usa. There was one! I bought it even thought it was too big took it home and punched a couple new hole in it. Works for me!!! $55 for a damn belt? I looked everywhere for a 2" wide leather belt. They are not to be found in any mall or retail store! I know there are some plain ones out there but I like a little design or something. The HD belt I got atleast has some reflective lettering on it! Saftery First!   :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
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Re: Why does Harley support chinese clothing?
« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2012, 07:04:36 AM »

Shipping costs are starting to turn the tide back our way in some areas of manufacturing.  I run a large metal stamping company and for parts that have weight to them I am able to knock the socks of the Chinese and other Asian competitors.  I have automated every possible thing in my welding area that I can as cash flow permits.  Unfortunately the more I automate the less people I need. But also I plan on creating new jobs by buying new equipment to expand our area of expertise.  Working on buying a new 1500 to 2500 ton press with a transfer system to enable us to take even larger parts that are done in Asia. 

I hate WalMart since Sam left it to his kids, it is nothing but a Chinese market place.  Will buy my jeans from the site posted above from now on.  It is a shame to pick up a piece of clothing and see made in Vietnam on it.  I will not buy it, if it is given to me as a gift I give it to the dog to chew up.

I am with everyone here, Lets Buy Made In The Good Old USA



Machine Automation is the blame also for lots of jobs going away.  Example is Delphi AC /Delco spark plugs.  18 line workers and five maintenance guys each shift to make 500,000 spark plugs in 24 hours.  Older plant, and Union rules for trades and what they can do.

Denso, 1 year old plant, no union, Highly automated, 3 line workers per shift, 2 maintenance guys per shift, 750,000 plugs per 24 hours. 

Both plants in the USA.  AC / Declo contracted us to Make plugs and stamp AC/ Delco on them, it was cheeper for them than making there on plugs.

Why?  1 machine automation, far less workers.  2, less than half the maintenance people, because maintenance had to be able to do electrical, mechanical, hydraulics, robotics and PLC maintenance.  Union will not allow trades to do that. 

Denso's wages were with in 50 cents or less of what a similar union position, same medical, and dental, good 401K.

You are also very right about the EPA and the costs it adds.  Most interviews with manufacturing say they leave, not due to Wages but Cost of doing business meaning EPA, OSHA and 2nd highest corporate tax in the world.

I use to like Wal-Mart when Sam W founded it and ran it.  Since his kids and the new business model I do not enter the store.
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Re: Why does Harley support chinese clothing?
« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2012, 09:05:01 AM »


While it is very popular among a certain segment of the population to bash anything involving the EPA or OSHA, and blame job losses on regulation and unions, I don't see any of those same people volunteering to go work in those sweat shops with the open pits of hazardous waste next door and the air so foul that everyone wears masks 24/7.  If anyone thinks the answer to America's jobs problem is to eliminate all the advances we've made in the past 40 years in the area of environment and safety, I submit that those people don't have a real clue (or they have nice insulated ivory tower jobs and can afford to let others do all the dirty work for them).

This country didn't become the largest economy in the world by letting third world countries take our jobs, and we managed to become the envy of the world while paying good wages and providing good benefits and creating a large upwardly mobile middle class.  While all that was happening, there were plenty of places with much cheaper labor rates and no regulations, but this country did not allow them to flood our markets.  Then the "free trade" and "global economy" folks came to power along with the ME generation of corporate leaders, and here we are.  The rich get immensely richer, the poor and middle class get poorer, and we get stuck buying low quality products at inflated prices so the rich can get even richer.  It isn't sustainable, but short of another revolution it won't change anytime soon. 


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Re: Why does Harley support chinese clothing?
« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2012, 10:25:36 AM »

Amazing my kid came home for the holidays brought my wife and i a couple harley shirts from Appleton HD shop in clarksville , TN  hers made in USA mine made in honduras KOOL SHIRTS
 Just checked out the ones I get around here(michigan) USA and india and Mexico  :nixweiss:
 I guess there made everywhere  :o Did not no that

Yup, but one thing has become clear - I buy these all over the world, as lots of people do, and I will no longer buy any made in Honduras - they are utter crap, with necks that would fit an elephant, whatever size you buy. And with T-Shirts at $US40 to $US65 in other countries, it's yet another sign of HD maximising rip off profits at the expensse of the customer, by buying the cheapest rubbish they can find, with quality not a consideration.

If the HD T-shirt says "Made in Honduras" - put it back on the rail, and tell the dealership why.


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