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[BONES - USMVMC]

LMAO!! I just saw a news report on TV with what I believe was an insurance company. They said new data shows that Hybrid cars are more likely to get into an accident because they are quiet and people can't hear them. Now how do you feel about loud pipes on motorcycles? Still think they don't save lives?

[rayson56]

I agree 110%, love em loud............but obnoxious is still obnoxious 

[muddypaws]

It gets to a point when is loud too loud. I have followed some bikes that were just too dam loud. If you have to ware ear plugs to ride your own bike it's time to make a change.

[North Georgia Hawg]

Yeah... I need to take the unbaffled fishtails off of the old Evo FLHTP, and put the V&H Big Ovals back on. That bike is just TOO LOUD to ride behind for very long. Plus it runs better with the Big Ovals anyway. No low-end torque with the open pipes... but they sure look cool!

[grayghost731]

Loud pipes do save lives    and as far as being to LOUD , Its like ROCK -n- ROLL if its to LOUD your to old    lol

[grc]

Actually, defensive driving (riding) saves lives, not obnoxiously loud pipes.  But there again, defensive driving (riding) requires a certain minimum amount of intelligence, whereas riding around with straight pipes and pizzing off everyone nearby requires no brains at all.  


Jerry

[Twolanerider]

Actually, defensive driving (riding) saves lives, not obnoxiously loud pipes.  But there again, defensive driving (riding) requires a certain minimum amount of intelligence, whereas riding around with straight pipes and pizzing off everyone nearby requires no brains at all.  


Jerry

With the sound protection levels in modern cars loud pipes are an exercise in "my peepee is bigger than yours."  Only other people that hear them are the other poor unfortunate bikes stuck riding behind and the civilians in the residential neighborhoods that are ridden through.

[Twolanerider]

LMAO!! I just saw a news report on TV with what I believe was an insurance company. They said new data shows that Hybrid cars are more likely to get into an accident because they are quiet and people can't hear them. Now how do you feel about loud pipes on motorcycles? Still think they don't save lives?

Would bet the stats will show it's an entirely different kind of accident.  Low speed parking lot stuff.  Not on the road driving.  My sister's Prius has gotten close to me a couple of times as she's backed out of her garage because it was running on electric rather than gas and my back was turned.

[PASN YU]

Actually, loud pipes, defensive driving, loud horns, reflective vests and whatever else you can come up with to make yourself more noticeable on your ride saves lives. And it's not about measuring. If you like your pipes loud, run 'em loud. I run a D&D fat cat and love it because it sounds good to me. Yes, it's loud. 

[Twolanerider]

Actually, loud pipes, defensive driving, loud horns, reflective vests and whatever else you can come up with to make yourself more noticeable on your ride saves lives. And it's not about measuring. If you like your pipes loud, run 'em loud. I run a D&D fat cat and love it because it sounds good to me. Yes, it's loud. 

Have FatCats on both bikes.  But it's not that they're loud.  It's just that I can't hear for chit anymore...

[PASN YU]

I guess loud is all relative to how deaf you are...

[grayghost731]

Actually, loud pipes, defensive driving, loud horns, reflective vests and whatever else you can come up with to make yourself more noticeable on your ride saves lives. And it's not about measuring. If you like your pipes loud, run 'em loud. I run a D&D fat cat and love it because it sounds good to me. Yes, it's loud.  

Good point   I think it depends where you live who gets pi$$ed off for LOUD PIPES I live 5min from downtown DETROIT and thats where I ride My LOUD PIPES are a necessity (keeps the JUNKIES out of the street)
My pipes are no louder than the 500 horsepower muscle cars that are all over down there  

[kerb]

There's folks with loud pipes, and then there is a different class of folks with loud pipes (the ones who can't keep from blipping the throttle and revving it up in neighborhoods).
My fatcat is loud and I like to twist the wick as much as the next guy, but I do it where it's not likely to annoy people.

[1sharprdkg]

Found out the Rush pipes on my wifes RKC are a lot louder than I thought since I have followed her on the freeway going 70+mph, makes my Fullsac 2.25" baffles sound stock! She doesn't want me to change them...she's such a rebel!

[StevesCVO]

With the sound protection levels in modern cars loud pipes are an exercise in "my peepee is bigger than yours."  Only other people that hear them are the other poor unfortunate bikes stuck riding behind and the civilians in the residential neighborhoods that are ridden through.

I have to agree with Twolane on this. If I can't hear chit riding behind you or you wake me up at 2am your pipes are too loud.

[cvobiker]

I have to agree with Twolane on this. If I can't hear chit riding behind you or you wake me up at 2am your pipes are too loud.

W-H-A-T .......

[Mano]

Actually, defensive driving (riding) saves lives, not obnoxiously loud pipes.  But there again, defensive driving (riding) requires a certain minimum amount of intelligence, whereas riding around with straight pipes and pizzing off everyone nearby requires no brains at all.  


Jerry

Very well said Jerry. Totally agree.

[Gecko]

The noise thing on electric cars is at low speeds and mainly about pedestrians.  But they have a plan - speakers to produce noise so people can hear them.  I kid you not.

[pado]

I have to agree with Twolane on this. If I can't hear chit riding behind you or you wake me up at 2am your pipes are too loud.

    You'll be the first to agree with him I think.

[grc]

The noise thing on electric cars is at low speeds and mainly about pedestrians.  But they have a plan - speakers to produce noise so people can hear them.  I kid you not.

I think it's a sign of our times.  People with too much time on their hands and an agenda to push seem to think that we need to make vehicles loud enough so that not only blind people, but the much larger segment of the population that is just not paying attention to anything, will be able to cross the street without looking.  All those folks walking around with their iPhones and iPads sending their latest tweets about how they just saw a killer dress in the window or some hot babe over on Michigan Avenue can't be bothered to actually look up at the street and the people and vehicles around them.  People are run over every day by cars and trucks and buses that are far from silent. 

I hate to rain on anyones parade, but with all the running of red lights going on around here and seemingly everywhere, crossing any street without paying 100% attention to what you're doing is insane.  And with all the other ambient noise in any built up area, much less busy city streets, putting some goofy speaker with sound effects on a Prius isn't likely to make any difference.  Blind people need to face reality and ask for assistance crossing streets, and sighted people need to get their heads out of their azz and pay attention.

btw, I think the latest recommendation was a recording of some middle aged juvenile revving his Harley with straight pipes.  They were looking for something really obnoxious that no one could miss, and figured that was about as obnoxious as anything else out there.


Jerry

[Twolanerider]

    You'll be the first to agree with him I think.

Nah, the voices go along with me us all the time; sometimes.

[kerb]

I have to agree with Twolane on this. If I can't hear chit riding behind you or you wake me up at 2am your pipes are too loud.

My pipes aren't too loud.  You are just following too close 

[sinktip]

Loud pipes are like gun ownership. They come with a responsibility. If you can't keep from rapping your pipes at streetlights or shifting at the redline when in your local neighborhood, you shouldn't be allowed to own them.

If however you don't like riding behind me because of my pipes, I probably don't want to ride with you anyway.

[Big Dog]

I have Rineharts on mine but after my amp and four speaker upgrade, my tunes are louder than my pipes, round and round we go, lol.

[dlaws01]

Having a flashing red beacon on top of your helmet would probably saves lives too.  Maybe while wearing a bright yellow neon slicker with reflective 3M tape also but too much of anything can be just that, too much. That goes for exhaust noise too.

[2k]

Finally got my kid to take the obnocious very loud pipes(V&H Long Shots) off his RKC. Put on a set of BUB 7's and now he even says....they were to loud weren't they!!

[arcticdude]

Had cars pull out in front of me when I was wearing a reflective vest (req when in military) and I've had people come over on me when I'm on my quiet bikes. Had numerous advanced rider courses. The combination of the pipes and the defensive driving has saved my ass many a time. I'm keeping mine loud.

[sglide4me]

When it comes to increasing safety because of visibility, sound, or actions I have to say that defensive riding is the best. Simply because there are only certain situations where sound may prevail in your safety, the rest is left to visibility and your actions. For instance don't you ever wonder how the hell anyone can get hit by a train if its not intentional? I don't think there is anything louder than a train horn when it comes by to warn that it has arrived. Yet many people are killed every year by trains. I do like to be heard on my bike, but I don't consider loud pipes an extension of my safety zone. 

[North Georgia Hawg]

Actually, loud pipes, defensive driving, loud horns, reflective vests and whatever else you can come up with to make yourself more noticeable on your ride saves lives. And it's not about measuring. If you like your pipes loud, run 'em loud. I run a D&D fat cat and love it because it sounds good to me. Yes, it's loud. 

Your Fat Cat is the best-sounding pipe I've ever heard, man! But I'll bet I can take you with my Fullsac X-Pipe and 2" baffles, 54H cams, and my tune... you up for it? 

[Dead_Reckoning]

With the sound protection levels in modern cars loud pipes are an exercise in "my peepee is bigger than yours."  Only other people that hear them are the other poor unfortunate bikes stuck riding behind and the civilians in the residential neighborhoods that are ridden through.

It's the residential neighborhoods that rose up in Maine.
The let's see if I can make the windoes rattle on the buildings on both sides of a narrow street. Let's see how loud we can make it riding under a highway bridge.
Consequently Maine passed a Loud Noise Law, pretty much directed and MCs. The law purposely did not define a Db Level. It also does state "Must Have Mufflers or something that has the appearance of a muffler. Straight Pipes with Baffles are not acceptable.The LEOs can make their own decision as to what is loud. In May this year Maine made a slight modification. If stopped and issued a sumons, you can now go to select inspection stations and take the DOT tests. If found to be 95 Dbs or less under the test conditions, then you are good to go. If not, you will pay a $135 fine.

This past summer Spyderman was behaving as sensible as one can regarding the Loud Noise Law. He was still questioned once or twice by the LEOs. In his case he has a CA plate and riding in ME, so no summons was issued or major problems encountered.

I do support one's right to make their own choices as long as they are willing to accept the consequences.

When I get ready to boot up my 03 SERK Power, I am considering this combination.
V&H Power Duals
http://www.vanceandhines.com/store/touring/headers/16759
coupled with
SuperTrapp Stout 4” Slip-Ons
http://www.supertrapp.com/product_sections/cat.asp?CatID=85
SuperTrapp Stouts are SAE-J2825 sound compliant - They will pass Maine's Loud Noise Law.
At 95.6 dB @ 2,000 rpm, or 2.4dB over stock 2010 Exhaust

DR

[SERK3]

Loud pipes do save lives    and as far as being to LOUD , Its like ROCK -n- ROLL if its to LOUD your to old    lol

 

[MadCVORG]

Like I tell my buds:  I don't want you to hear me riding, I want you to FEEL it.  A drive-by on my olf Fat Boy sounds like a P-47 on a strafing run.  And my CVO sounds like an M-4 Sherman.....

[cvobiker]

Like I tell my buds:  I don't want you to hear me riding, I want you to FEEL it.  A drive-by on my olf Fat Boy sounds like a P-47 on a strafing run.  And my CVO sounds like an M-4 Sherman.....

YUP and if you ride by me,, I hope you all pass Mr. CHP 

[grc]

Like I tell my buds:  I don't want you to hear me riding, I want you to FEEL it.  A drive-by on my olf Fat Boy sounds like a P-47 on a strafing run.  And my CVO sounds like an M-4 Sherman.....

Sounds like some more of that BS anonymous internet bravado so common these days.  Of course, if we assume you and many others really do think being that loud and obnoxious is cool, it's not hard to figure out why so many places are passing noise ordinances and targetting bikers.  You know, there is only a one letter difference between "cool" and "fool".  I'd like to personally thank all the "fools" for the added attention the rest of us get from law enforcement and legislators across this country.  It really takes a lot of brains to continually poke a sleeping bear with a stick.


Jerry

[Rio]

Sounds like some more of that BS anonymous internet bravado so common these days.  Of course, if we assume you and many others really do think being that loud and obnoxious is cool, it's not hard to figure out why so many places are passing noise ordinances and targetting bikers.  You know, there is only a one letter difference between "cool" and "fool".  I'd like to personally thank all the "fools" for the added attention the rest of us get from law enforcement and legislators across this country.  It really takes a lot of brains to continually poke a sleeping bear with a stick.


Jerry

YOUR VERY WELCOME!

[SERK3]

YOUR VERY WELCOME!

X2

[RedDevil]

You know guys, and gals, in all my years teaching MSF Basic and Advance Rider's courses, I never once heard that a cager had and accident with a bike because he/she didn't hear it.  Unless you are running side firing, or forward firing pipes (which I've only seen on Paul Jr's monster trike that he built), your sound is being directed behind you, and if a cager has their windows closed, stereo on, and talking on the cell phone (which about 90% of the cagers do now days), they aren't going to hear you regardles how loud your pipes are.  Todays cars are so much more isolated from road noises than they used to be.  Your best chance of survival?  Conspicuity....being seen!!!!  Stay out of their blind spot, light up the rear end and front end, don't take the side reflectors off!!  (I know that's heresy on this forum).  If you wear black or dark clothing, get the newer jackets with the reflective piping on it.  Be seen, give yourself a fighting chance out there.  65% of the accidents involving a cage and motorcyclist are because the driver of the cage, didn't SEE the bike, not hear it.  Loud pipes do not save lives, they just annoy people and the local LEs.   

And now back to your regularly schedule program.

[djkak]

....Loud pipes do not save lives, they just annoy people and the local LEs.   

And now back to your regularly schedule program.

That is so true. The ATV folks have it figured out with their slogan “Loud Pipes Lose Rights”. If the argument from the motorcycling community is that we are not safe with quiet pipes, we should be careful what we wish for. The problem has become a political “quality of life” issue for some, and when these folks get enough juice to make sure that we are all safe, we will wish that we were living on the edge.

[Rio]

Hell, we could argue all sorts of crap that fall into this funnel.  Some people feel they need to give spelling lessons!  People that ride a Harley because it sounds like a Harley, its a nonsense bad boy culture  that is fueled by marketing geniuses!  I guess you can make that generalization about guns, abortion, helmet laws any any other topic of this "feel good" generation.

Bottom line...AZzzz H@loes screw it up for everyone else by giving the people that sit behind a desk and develop policies and laws to take away the right of those that have respect.

I ride a Harley, it will always sound like a Harley.  If it was about comfort, speed, gadgets, and quiet, I would have bought anything BUT a Harley. If it gets to the point where they take that away, it's time to find another feel good vice.

LOL

[RedDevil]

Hell, we could argue all sorts of crap that fall into this funnel.  Some people feel they need to give spelling lessons!  People that ride a Harley because it sounds like a Harley, its a nonsense bad boy culture  that is fueled by marketing geniuses!  I guess you can make that generalization about guns, abortion, helmet laws any any other topic of this "feel good" generation.

Bottom line...AZzzz H@loes screw it up for everyone else by giving the people that sit behind a desk and develop policies and laws to take away the right of those that have respect.

I ride a Harley, it will always sound like a Harley.  If it was about comfort, speed, gadgets, and quiet, I would have bought anything BUT a Harley. If it gets to the point where they take that away, it's time to find another feel good vice.

LOL

I know people are going to get loud pipes because they want loud pipes.  Each to his own.  My point is, don't ride on the safety bandwagon as the reason for having loud pipes.  IMO, you don't have to have loud pipes for your Harley to "sound" like a harley.  Both of my bikes aren't loud, but they both "sound" like Harleys.  At least to me they do.  Loud pipes ridden responsibly, will be continue to be allowed. Unfortunately, there are those that have loud pipes that don't ride responsibly in the areas they should.  I.e., housing areas, downtown main street, etc, and they're the ones that are going to ruin it for everyone.  Louder pipes do not raise the testoterone level one bit, well maybe mentally.  The gentleman that said his loud pipes keep the druggies off the street, probably was more because of the LE cruiser following him, more than his loud pipe.  

[T-Hawk]

As already said, there's Loud... and there's obnoxious... but I must add that there's another.  The only way to describe it is !?!?!

While riding the new bike along a stretch of 65mph highway next to one of the rivers South of Fairbanks, I couldn't help but hear another MC with what could only be described as LOUD pipes.  While checking mirrors and the road ahead I couldn't see anything that would be making such sounds.  Not having cared for the last song that was on the radio I had the volume turned down so I could enjoy the new sounds from the gutted stock pipes on the Ultra.  They sound pretty good, and know that I had to have just barely heard one of those lame commercials on the radio, because there shouldn't be any way that I just heard another bike.

As I was approaching a left curve, the sound from the other bike was just getting louder and louder...

Turns out, as I was rounding the curve, so was this old 'rat' bike...  I could hear him from more than a 1/4 mile away, coming at me from the direction I was heading.

This guy is either completely deaf, or has some of the best ear plugs money can buy.  It got so loud as he was passing me going the other direction that I thought I was riding one of those Goldwing things with all their whisper quiet exhaust systems.

It was only after we both got to the other side of the curve that I could again hear my own bike again.

Anyway, just my thoughts...

Ride Responsibly, on the Defense, and within your own limits and everything should be fine 

[Twolanerider]

It's often fun (or not) discussing and debating what we like or don't like.  How it makes us "feel" and what it should be to sound like a Harley.  What's so often left out of that discussion (alluded to by DJ above) is that when taken too far for too long or done so in the wrong place at the wrong time it'll simply no longer be our decision.

The road system isn't built for motorcycles.  The road system, from surface streets to the Interstates, is there for the purposes of the mass transportation as that transport supports a national economy.  If there wasn't this large societal benefit for it society wouldn't build it.

As riders we are such a statistically small cohort of the system's users that suggesting the system be tailored in any way to our need is preposterous.  We're lucky we've got this great playground to particpate on.  But it's not built with us in mind.  Primary rules aren't tailored to our needs.  Even basic safety guidelines for the road system are designed for cages and trucks.  We are an afterthought.  And that's how it should be.

As such we do ourselves a service by doing what we can to just be left alone.  Left alone by legislators and bureaucrats as they craft administrative guidelines and legislation.  The only time they are going to do significant rule making with us in mind is when they've noticed something they don't like often enough for it to be psychologically, administratively or economically annoying.  That will never be good for us.

To be left alone to enjoy the system we can't be overt nuisances.  We can't be too stupid too often.  And we can't rub the nose of the general population in habits or behaviors we might think are fun just because we like them.  If you've got to hear the pipes open it up out in the country.  Don't think it's at all funny to set of a neighborhood's car alarms.  Don't wheelie down a crowded interstate or in a parking lot full of civilians. 

The attention you draw isn't just to your (own stupid) self, it's to all of us.  I enjoy using the road system as my playground without being any more bothered by guidelines than I already am.  All I ask of government is that it leaves me alone.  I don't want anything special from it just because I'm on a bike.  Just let me use the system and leave me alone.  Government won't do that if society's collective nose is too often rubbed in behaviors we can do "just because we can" or because a few like them.

[hwyfever]

Amen to that...  Could not have been said better. 

[cvobiker]

Sounds like some more of that BS anonymous internet bravado so common these days.  Of course, if we assume you and many others really do think being that loud and obnoxious is cool, it's not hard to figure out why so many places are passing noise ordinances and targetting bikers.  You know, there is only a one letter difference between "cool" and "fool".  I'd like to personally thank all the "fools" for the added attention the rest of us get from law enforcement and legislators across this country.  It really takes a lot of brains to continually poke a sleeping bear with a stick.


Jerry

Jerry, you said it    These guys that must be heard and 'felt',, and i mean the obnoxious one's that think their P51 pilots, are doing nothing worse then getting the attention of our government legislatures to take away the rights we now enjoy..  It wont be long and we''ll all be riding sewing machines.. There are limits with our exhaust 'notes' and 95% of us here get it... I wish that wee 5% had half a brain to figure out what they're really doing to our riding sport  

[cvobiker]

Bottom line...AZzzz H@loes screw it up for everyone else by giving the people that sit behind a desk and develop policies and laws to take away the right of those that have respect.

I ride a Harley, it will always sound like a Harley.  If it was about comfort, speed, gadgets, and quiet, I would have bought anything BUT a Harley. If it gets to the point where they take that away, it's time to find another feel good vice.

LOL

You make a good point.. it is the AZzzz H@loes with obnoxiously loud pipes giving he pople that sit behind a desk TO develop policies and laws to take away the rights MOST of us have the right to respect.   And you also make a good point by telling the 95% side that does care and does enjoy an acceptable pleasing Harley exhaust that you simply dont care about the Harley Brother and Sisters...    Franky,  i think its your time to find another vice..   but i dont think it could be too soon   

[Rio]

You make a good point.. it is the AZzzz H@loes with obnoxiously loud pipes giving he pople that sit behind a desk TO develop policies and laws to take away the rights MOST of us have the right to respect.   And you also make a good point by telling the 95% side that does care and does enjoy an acceptable pleasing Harley exhaust that you simply dont care about the Harley Brother and Sisters...    Franky,  i think its your time to find another vice..   but i dont think it could be too soon  

Because i enjoy the site, I won't bother to waste too much time replying to your stupid comment and drag myself and the blog down to the level of tit for tat ignorance.

[chaos901]

Twolanerider hit it right on the head, wish I had thought of that one myself. 

Back on the original thread for a second.  I do remember reading that they were considering putting some type of an audible device on the electric cars that would warn pedestrians when the car was making a turn.  That in and of itself is hysterical, especially considering the ground swell build-up against the pipes. 

[grayghost731]

Because i enjoy the site, I won't bother to waste too much time replying to your stupid comment and drag myself and the blog down to the level of tit for tat ignorance.

way to take the high rode RIO  some of these guys are just cyber bullies they like to call people names and try to justify there ANAL COMMENTS    I just listen and let them PREACH  Bottom line is that some guys like LOUD PIPES and some guys dont 

[cvobiker]

Because i enjoy the site, I won't bother to waste too much time replying to your stupid comment and drag myself and the blog down to the level of tit for tat ignorance.

Rio. .. Thanks,,  I appreciate your somewhat 'level head'   

[McBolt]

1998 US Treaty with the UN.  Global Harmonization of Motorized Vehicles based on European Standards.  California's SB435.  Massachusetts trying to get a bill passed to make it illegal to sell loud pipes.  Ken Feith of the EPA Air and Radiation department going after motocycle exhaust manufacturers; threatening them with a $10,000 fine per pipe.  Yes loud pipes DO save loud.  How loud is too loud?  That is the argument.  The volume is directly related to the throttle.  Me I like em louder than stock but not ear splitting.  Yes, some bark their pipes just to make noise.  To me that is like shooting your gun up in the air just to hear it.  Barking the pipes just to make noise is as silly as laying on the horn all of the time.

If you like loud pipes...better wake up and see what is going on in your backyard.  By the way hand held decibel meters are against Federal Guidelines.  Even though states like Maine have passed laws allowing this, Fed trumps state, state trumps county and so on.

[Rio]

Ann Landers:  For those affixited to the sound of loud motorcycle exhausts, rather than be a nuisance to the local neighborhoods and draw attention to loud motorcylists other than yourself.  Go find a country road, stay on that road until you find a bridge, sit under that bridge and rev your motorcycle up until your ear drums burst......then go back to the local communities until you need another fix

[fresh oil and pipes]

Ok who was the first one to jack this thread?

[Twolanerider]

Ok who was the first one to jack this thread?

I admit it.  It was Firedood.

[fresh oil and pipes]

I admit it.  It was Firedood.

That is what I thought.

[SERK3]

Hell, we could argue all sorts of crap that fall into this funnel.  Some people feel they need to give spelling lessons!  People that ride a Harley because it sounds like a Harley, its a nonsense bad boy culture  that is fueled by marketing geniuses!  I guess you can make that generalization about guns, abortion, helmet laws any any other topic of this "feel good" generation.

Bottom line...AZzzz H@loes screw it up for everyone else by giving the people that sit behind a desk and develop policies and laws to take away the right of those that have respect.

I ride a Harley, it will always sound like a Harley.  If it was about comfort, speed, gadgets, and quiet, I would have bought anything BUT a Harley. If it gets to the point where they take that away, it's time to find another feel good vice.

LOL

Again X2

[kerb]

My take on it is this:

If I ever get to the point where I have the time and energy to worry about the loudness of someone else's pipes,  hopefully one of my "brothers or sisters" will do me a favor and put me out of my misery. 

Seriously.  I don't believe I've ever heard of anyone being harmed by loud pipes.  Some people just aren't happy unless they have something to complain about.

[Twolanerider]

My take on it is this:

If I ever get to the point where I have the time and energy to worry about the loudness of someone else's pipes,  hopefully one of my "brothers or sisters" will do me a favor and put me out of my misery. 

Seriously.  I don't believe I've ever heard of anyone being harmed by loud pipes.  Some people just aren't happy unless they have something to complain about.

Actually there is more and more "harm" extended every time new legislation (at any level) targets something we do as riders.  Maine's more aggressive restrictions, punishing enforcement at old rally venues or cities and towns all over tightening noise limits all "harm" riders by limiting their ability to easily transit the system; to be able to ride and be left alone.  Nearly all such "harm" originates as a reaction to things we do as riders.

[fresh oil and pipes]

Actually the true Harley sound is not all that loud the increase in noise level is when non stock exhaust is added to the equation so if you want it to sound like a Harley leave the exhaust stock. Beat a speeding ticket because of stock exhaust once. Just sayin. Now back to the orginal post of this thread.

Wow aren't those electric/alternate fuel cars really quiet. So quiet some think that the government should require some type of audio warning system installed on them so they can be heard coming down the road maybe even go so far as to require eveyone to operate a motor vehicle with the windows open and sound (stero) systems turned off.

[JR]

I want mine just loud enough where I don't hear the 110 valvetrain noise!

[HUBBARD]

Just put a D&D Borzilla on Ol' Maudie.  Guess the RINEHART's don't rule anymore.  My thoughts are--if you hear me before you see me, that has to be good.  Later--HUBBARD

[kerb]

I want mine just loud enough where I don't hear the 110 valvetrain noise!

I don't think they make a pipe loud enough for that.  Good luck on your quest though.

[JR]

Just put a D&D Borzilla on Ol' Maudie.  Guess the RINEHART's don't rule anymore.  My thoughts are--if you hear me before you see me, that has to be good.  Later--HUBBARD

Hub, as fast as you get Ol' Maudie going...is that possible?

[SneakyPete]

Just put a D&D Borzilla on Ol' Maudie.  Guess the RINEHART's don't rule anymore.  My thoughts are--if you hear me before you see me, that has to be good.  Later--HUBBARD

Love the D&D Boarzilla and would have used on my bike, but fat cat with performance baffle produced better numbers.  I think the Boarzilla is too much pipe for a 120 JMHO.  One pipe or two out the back?

[2010 FLHX]

Jeez! I must have an opinion on this topic . . . If you want loud pipes, go with it. Be prepared to suffer the disdain of those who thing you're puerile and self-absorbed. Don't try to argue that they're a "safety device."

We can probably argue that loud pipes are sufficiently distracting that other drivers may not pay attention to safety because they're paying attention to the "really loud bike" and what it might do next. The "safety argument" can be argued either way.

[RedDevil]

Jeez! I must have an opinion on this topic . . . If you want loud pipes, go with it. Be prepared to suffer the disdain of those who thing you're puerile and self-absorbed. Don't try to argue that they're a "safety device."

We can probably argue that loud pipes are sufficiently distracting that other drivers may not pay attention to safety because they're paying attention to the "really loud bike" and what it might do next. The "safety argument" can be argued either way.

So what are you trying to say anyway?   

[cvobiker]

So what are you trying to say anyway?  

I couldn't figure out either..     Thought i would try two shots of Tequila, Blanco Silver mind you  , to see if a difernt sate of mind would help... nope still no figure    but the Blanco is sure making me feel good    now i dont care 

[RedDevil]

I couldn't figure out either..     Thought i would try two shots of Tequila, Blanco Silver mind you  , to see if a difernt sate of mind would help... nope still no figure    but the Blanco is sure making me feel good    now i dont care  

Yeah buddy, I'm with ya there,only I prefer Patron Silver.  

[2010 FLHX]

Loud pipes are not a safety device.

[PASN YU]

Loud pipes are not a safety device.

I beg to differ. Anything you can do to put the cagers on notice whether it be brighter/more LED lights, louder horns and, drum roll please, louder pipes is a safety device. I'm not saying that the only purpose for loud pipes is safety. It's also personal preference about how you like your Harley to sound or perform. It's not about measuring or being the internet bada$$ or any of the other derogatory terms used by others here to describe people with loud pipes. If your type of pipe that you like the sound of just happens to be loud then it's your bike, do what you want with it. But do what you want responsibly. Don't shove it in other peoples faces. 

[SERK3]

I beg to differ. Anything you can do to put the cagers on notice whether it be brighter/more LED lights, louder horns and, drum roll please, louder pipes is a safety device. I'm not saying that the only purpose for loud pipes is safety. It's also personal preference about how you like your Harley to sound or perform. It's not about measuring or being the internet bada$$ or any of the other derogatory terms used by others here to describe people with loud pipes. If your type of pipe that you like the sound of just happens to be loud then it's your bike, do what you want with it. But do what you want responsibly. Don't shove it in other peoples faces. 

I agree with you 100%, I drive a 18 wheeler for a living and there has been more times than i can count that i have heard a bike before i see it, even with all the mirrors thats on a truck. 

[JCZ]

Yeah buddy, I'm with ya there,only I prefer Patron Silver.  

They have a 12 step program to help you guys.

[RedDevil]

They have a 12 step program to help you guys.

Yep.   
Step 1:  fill shot glass with your favorite
Step 2:  down said shot glass

Repeat Steps 1 and 2 six more times.   

[Twolanerider]

Yep.   
Step 1:  fill shot glass with your favorite
Step 2:  down said shot glass

Repeat Steps 1 and 2 six more times.   

Hey Charlie, what happens if your numbers start not working right anymore after steps eight or nine ?

[2010 FLHX]

Loud pipes are not a safety device.

Let's do this a couple more times . . .

Not a "dedicated" safety device. Loud pipes may make your presence more apparent, but to rely upon loud pipes for some sort of putative safety margin is specious at best.

Let me concede here too that on more than several occasions I've turned my head to check clearance while passing or changing lanes. I get the deep, fat, rich reverberation of my engine in my ears, and I say to myself, "That's the sound I paid for!"

-- but it's not "safety equipment."

[RedDevil]

Hey Charlie, what happens if your numbers start not working right anymore after steps eight or nine ?

Just keep practicing until you get it right!!  Sooner or later, you won't care anymore anyway.   

[2010 FLHX]

Just keep practicing until you get it right!!  Sooner or later, you won't care anymore anyway.   

I remember drinking lots of cheap (green) beer and then getting into a "two-step" program.

[cvobiker]

They have a 12 step program to help you guys.

Is 10 more shots??   

[kerb]

Jeez! I must have an opinion on this topic . . . If you want loud pipes, go with it. Be prepared to suffer the disdain of those who thing you're puerile and self-absorbed. Don't try to argue that they're a "safety device."

We can probably argue that loud pipes are sufficiently distracting that other drivers may not pay attention to safety because they're paying attention to the "really loud bike" and what it might do next. The "safety argument" can be argued either way.

I'm puerile and self absorbed enough not to give a crap whether the nosy neighbor lady thinks I'm puerile and self absorbed. 

[Twolanerider]

Be prepared to suffer the disdain of those who thing you're puerile and self-absorbed.

So what are you trying to say anyway?   

Charlie, if that's not a Freudian and likely Oedipal slip nothing is.  Gratuitous childish self absorbed interest in his "thing."  There are some things a guy just doesn't need to share.

[RedDevil]

Charlie, if that's not a Freudian and likely Oedipal slip nothing is.  Gratuitous childish self absorbed interest in his "thing."  There are some things a guy just doesn't need to share.

Ummmm, yeah, what you said.  I think.    

[Midnight Rider]

Hey Charlie, what happens if your numbers start not working right anymore after steps eight or nine ?

Get a bigger glass...then you don't have to count any longer.   

[Twolanerider]

Get a bigger glass...then you don't have to count any longer.   

That's a he'll of an idea.   Hmmmmm, wonder if that would work with moderators?    One or two really big ones instead of.......   Oh wait, that wouldn't work.     

[HUBBARD]

Hub, as fast as you get Ol' Maudie going...is that possible?

Oh, yeah!  It is comical to see their mouth drop open when I go by 'em!  Merry Christmas!  Later--HUBBARD 

[HUBBARD]

Love the D&D Boarzilla and would have used on my bike, but fat cat with performance baffle produced better numbers.  I think the Boarzilla is too much pipe for a 120 JMHO.  One pipe or two out the back?

Not so in my case, Pete.  It will help on the WFO, top end speed.  I can feel the difference from about 4500 to 6000 RPM's, as opposed to the RINEHART's.  The RINEHART's sure looked good, though.  The "Borzilla" is startin' to grow on me.  Gotta' get a Chrome Sprocket Cover.  Went with the single pipe.  Couldn't stand the thought of somethin' fake on Ol' Maudie.  Later--HUBBARD 

[Willie D]

I guess loud is all relative to how deaf you are...

 

[SneakyPete]

Not so in my case, Pete.  It will help on the WFO, top end speed.  I can feel the difference from about 4500 to 6000 RPM's, as opposed to the RINEHART's.  The RINEHART's sure looked good, though.  The "Borzilla" is startin' to grow on me.  Gotta' get a Chrome Sprocket Cover.  Went with the single pipe.  Couldn't stand the thought of somethin' fake on Ol' Maudie.  Later--HUBBARD

The Boarzilla kicks in about 300 rpm more than the fat cat and that will help you at WFO.  Forgot you are not the cruising type!  Don't forget the chrome belt guard too.

[porthole]

Gotta' get a Chrome Sprocket Cover.  Went with the single pipe. 

Don't forget the chrome belt guard too.

Forget the fake cover Carl Lee - go right for the chrome sprocket & don't forget the belt cover. Looks real good with the single pipe.

[HUBBARD]

Forget the fake cover Carl Lee - go right for the chrome sprocket & don't forget the belt cover. Looks real good with the single pipe.

I thought of that soon as I posted it.  Got to have the "real" thing.  She's got the belt guard.  Merry Christmas!  Later--HUBBARD

[HUBBARD]

The Boarzilla kicks in about 300 rpm more than the fat cat and that will help you at WFO.  Forgot you are not the cruising type!  Don't forget the chrome belt guard too.

Indeed.  That little bit of boost will bust Harry's a$$ in Daytona this Spring.  Can't wait to be in Florida.  3" of snow here, and coming strong.  Later--HUBBARD 

[SneakyPete]

Indeed.  Can't wait to be in Florida.

You and me both!