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[Dead_Reckoning]

Right from the MoCo, what else would you expect   

  I have always used Amsoil.
My point was that even MoCo is now saying Synthetic Oil, granted they are promotong their own "Hugo" Oil is acceptable.

I do not really care one way or the other what someone else uses in their ride.
I spent 14 years working on texaco Tankers. I could go into the Lube Oil Canning Plant in port Arthur and pick a plethora of weel known brands. And they all came from one of two Texaco Lube Oil Ships.
I have sailed on Large Motor Ships, up to 96,000 BHP, where the Main Engine holds 5,500 Gallons of Lube Oil. Yes we have LO Purifiers and yes we send out LO Samples.
Pretty much the main reason we ever changed from Exxon to Mobil to Shell etc was for Service & Price.

IMHO, generally the Material Safety Data Sheet is provided by the real canner/manufacturer.
Look at the MSDS for your favorite Lube Oil and see who canned it.

[HOGMIKE]

No question, straight 40 weight IS the best.  It's really good for keeping down the dust on those bare spots in the back yard.


Jerry

oops.  Don't tell anyone at the EPA I said that.

Don't worry about that!
Do you really think anyone reads this stuff, other than the bored? Or the ones "house-bound"?
LOL
 

[Dead_Reckoning]

Don't worry about that!
Do you really think anyone reads this stuff, other than the bored? Or the ones "house-bound"?
LOL
 

  - Never warmed up to freezing today and snow and ice on the ground.

[LC110]

I have spent a lot of money over the years on oil analysis and worked with a number of tribologist. 
I will let you in on a little secret. The best oil is always lemon fresh.
I would love to see that oil filter test. The (Champion Laboratories) made Harley oil filter is a very well made filter.

[HUBBARD]

Please, continue the lesson and explain why that test is indicative of syn's junkiness.

Ain't no use studying after the test.  Later--HUBBARD

[Willie D]

Ain't no use studying after the test.  Later--HUBBARD

Now that's funny Hub. I plan to drain the Syn3this week, got 500 miles and I have always felt that living here in MI, and the cold morning starts, I like the 15w50 Mobil 1 - that being said I still would like to try the Amsoil for the 5k interval?

JMHO

[2018_FLTRXSE]

No question, straight 40 weight IS the best.  It's really good for keeping down the dust on those bare spots in the back yard.


Jerry

oops.  Don't tell anyone at the EPA I said that.

Jerry.. thats what I use my recycled ATF from my truck for!

[HILLSIDECYCLE.COM]

Here's a little test for all you "experts."  Put a cup of 20W-50, and a cup of water in a flask and shake it up.  The twain will separate.  Put a cup of syn, and a cup of water in a flask and shake that up.  Yeah, yeah I know what you're thinkin'.  There is no water in a V-Twin.  That's not my point.  My point is, syn is junk.  Don Tilley demonstrated that tid-bit of information to me.  There endeth the lesson.  Later--HUBBARD     

With some vinegar and seasonings, sounds like it would be good for a salad.
Scott

[timo482]

the best steam cylinder oil will dissolve in water and maintain its lubricity - no ill effects.

the best oils dissolve and hold ALL contaminates to prevent the contaminates from settling to the bottom of the sump when the engine is off and getting sucked in one big gulp into the pump - id think having the water of condensation pool in the oil pan to provide a big slug of water to the bearings on startup a really BAD thing

oil engineers know that some folks run engines a few blocks and shut them off again - eventually the oil will start holding a lot of water - if it separates from the oil in the sump the engine will slurp up the pure water and boom the engine is junk

your magician just proved that syn oils are better - but made you think otherwise - give him a rotten banana

to

[Twolanerider]

Here's a little test for all you "experts."  Put a cup of 20W-50, and a cup of water in a flask and shake it up.  The twain will separate.  Put a cup of syn, and a cup of water in a flask and shake that up.  Yeah, yeah I know what you're thinkin'.  There is no water in a V-Twin.  That's not my point.  My point is, syn is junk.  Don Tilley demonstrated that tid-bit of information to me.  There endeth the lesson.  Later--HUBBARD     

Carl my friend, the "lesson" may have been visually interesting.  The differences between the examples may have been dramatic.  But the perceived value of the outcomes you witnessed was flawed.

Consider another visual demonstration.  Say, for example, I hit Naitram's toe with a hammer and I hit Firedood's toe with a marshmallow.  Visually the dancing hopping Naitram is much more interesting.  So, therefore, hammers are better.

No, they're not.  They're just different.  All you see is that the materials processes are different.  Different in a way that, in actual practice, does not reflect on how they work as lubricants.  But different indeed.  That's the kind of Barnum and Bailey sales pitch that has sold snake oil curatives for as long as there has been people willing to watch without seeing.

[Midnight Rider]

I want to see that test...can we do it in Maggie Valley this year?  Ball Peen or Claw?  The wrong end of the Ball Peen may "skate" accross Neal's toe, so I guess I should bring a framing hammer to be sure of reaching conclusive outcomes of each.  I don't think Marshmellow brands will matter, other than we don't need to use the ones you put in Coco, but rather the ones we roast over a fire.  Size does matter.


It never ceases to amaze me how long some of these old wive's tales hang on concerning the "downsides" to synthetic oil.  Too slick; bearings skating; blah, blah, blah.  There is simply no proof of it...period.  Quite the contrary, in fact.  I guess all those car manufacturers like Ferrari, Porche, etc don't know chit from shineola to be putting synthetic oil in their engines coming off the assembly line.  And the billions of miles/hours on engines that are under a LOT more stress than a HD Twin Cam, don't provide any empirical evidence either.

"Old School" thinking is valuable in many ways, but in the case of Syn vs Dino, it is absolutely, positively, incorrect.

[Aussie]

And one that has some good info too !
Thx Mike.

WD

Very interseting and to see Mobil 1 has a high ZDDP '1700' to Amsoil '1281'
Doest that mean Mobil 1 is better than Amsoil 20w50?

[Fired00d]

Carl my friend, the "lesson" may have been visually interesting.  The differences between the examples may have been dramatic.  But the perceived value of the outcomes you witnessed was flawed.

Consider another visual demonstration.  Say, for example, I hit Naitram's toe with a hammer and I hit Firedood's toe with a marshmallow.  Visually the dancing hopping Naitram is much more interesting.  So, therefore, hammers are better.

No, they're not.  They're just different.  All you see is that the materials processes are different.  Different in a way that, in actual practice, does not reflect on how they work as lubricants.  But different indeed.  That's the kind of Barnum and Bailey sales pitch that has sold snake oil curatives for as long as there has been people willing to watch without seeing.

I want to see that test...can we do it in Maggie Valley this year?  Ball Peen or Claw?  The wrong end of the Ball Peen may "skate" accross Neal's toe, so I guess I should bring a framing hammer to be sure of reaching conclusive outcomes of each.  I don't think Marshmellow brands will matter, other than we don't need to use the ones you put in Coco, but rather the ones we roast over a fire.  Size does matter.


It never ceases to amaze me how long some of these old wive's tales hang on concerning the "downsides" to synthetic oil.  Too slick; bearings skating; blah, blah, blah.  There is simply no proof of it...period.  Quite the contrary, in fact.  I guess all those car manufacturers like Ferrari, Porche, etc don't know chit from shineola to be putting synthetic oil in their engines coming off the assembly line.  And the billions of miles/hours on engines that are under a LOT more stress than a HD Twin Cam, don't provide any empirical evidence either.

"Old School" thinking is valuable in many ways, but in the case of Syn vs Dino, it is absolutely, positively, incorrect.

Oh... I know... another oil thread ... 

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[BostonboyDH]

   I'M NOT SURE I FULLY UNDERSTOOD???   COULD SOMEBODY PLEASE SPLAIN IT TO ME AGAIN!!!!!!!!    BOSTONBOY

[grc]

  I'M NOT SURE I FULLY UNDERSTOOD   COULD SOMEBODY PLEASE SPLAIN IT TO ME AGAIN!!!!!!!!    BOSTONBOY

I know how that could be; it's a slippery subject.


Jerry