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[SBB]

We all knew it would happen some day.
Today just happened to be the day for mine.
I had gotten a call from the dealer when he was at the 2013 Dealer Show.
"Chip, I had Micheal (parts manager) order you the LED lights for your 12."
They came in today.
Here they are.
First impressions, WOW!
Each headlight has 7 lights so with high beams on you have 14 beams of light.

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[BUCKNUT GREG]

Look good Chip 

[SBB]

If you look at the picture above you will see a bar and shield in the center of each light.
When the lights are on (low or high) the bar and shield is lit.
When the key switch is on ACC the bar and shield stay on for a very cool look.

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[SBB]

When low beams are on you have 8 beams of light shining.
It's a lot of light shining out.

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[SBB]

With the high beams on the low beams stay on plus another 6 lights shine.
That is a total of 14 lights clearing a path in front of you.

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[SBB]

If possible I will take a spin tonight to see the pattern of light.
If these SERGC LED's are like the SEUC then the road will be well lit.

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[ultrarider123]

Chip, have you had a chance to use them at night?  Have a friend with a 12 SERG skunk and really needs these.  The factory twin bulbs DO NOT do the trick.  He normally rides behind me and I can tell you, he might as well be holding a flashlight for all the light the halogens give out.  No adjustment available either (we tried).  Looking forward to hearing how well they light up the evening rides and thanks for the pictures.  Do like the HD bar and shield extra light there on those....pretty cool.

[SBB]

I got the first set of LED's that came in and will most likely put a set on the 01 SERG.
It appears these lights are back ordered already.
So I may have to wait a while for the 01.
 

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[SBB]

Chip, have you had a chance to use them at night? Not yet, just came in today.  Have a friend with a 12 SERG skunk and really needs these.  The factory twin bulbs DO NOT do the trick.  He normally rides behind me and I can tell you, he might as well be holding a flashlight for all the light the halogens give out.  No adjustment available either (we tried).  Looking forward to hearing how well they light up the evening rides and thanks for the pictures.  Do like the HD bar and shield extra light there on those....pretty cool. We all like Bling and I especially like functional Bling. The Bar and Shield lights are very cool.

I will let you know how they work out. Based on my experience with the 11.5 SEUC LED's I think I will like them.

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[shelby500]

Had a HD led on my 11 street glide and the lights on my 13 are alot better. Rode tuesday night for the first time with the road glide and was really impressed! There didn't really seem like there was much of a difference between high and low on the street glide but there sure is on the road glide!

[110tHunDer]

 
Holy crap, you went from being told they're on backorder to having them installed in 24hrs!  Looks good!

[Puzzled]

I'm curious what you you think of them at night. I'm not sold on them yet however in all fairness I do not have a lot of night riding with them yet. That little HD logo in the center is cool though!

[SBB]

I'm curious what you you think of them at night. I'm not sold on them yet however in all fairness I do not have a lot of night riding with them yet. That little HD logo in the center is cool though!

Mike

Wasn't sure if I would have time to check them out tonight.
We do movie screenings and saw the new movie Looper this evening.
But we got home early enough that I took the 12 SERG for a spin.
First impression was WOW, those bright lights would light up a football field.
I think I need to raise them a bit, the low beams go out but have a very clearly defined end of light.
But OMG both are  bright.
A little tweaking and I think they will be perfect.

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[SBB]

Holy crap, you went from being told they're on backorder to having them installed in 24hrs!  Looks good!

According to the Harley shop when I checked Tuesday the lights were back ordered till Oct 10th.
Four sets were on order, with two for me.
I'm not sure why but the set ordered at the dealer show showed being shipped yesterday.
And those came in today.
After a short ride tonight, I'm liking them.

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[Twolanerider]

Remember reading a fitment schedule for these saying that night work on our classic SERGs.  But the newer light housings interchange in when swapped completely.  So I can't think of a reason why these LED housings wouldn't work either. 

I'll not have time to mess with mine for a bit; even if I did have a light here.  So your backorder will probably here in time to let you guinea pig this light on the old bikes.  Will look forward to what, if any, needling little details you uncover.

Looks good on the new bike .

[SBB]

Remember reading a fitment schedule for these saying that night work on our classic SERGs.  But the newer light housings interchange in when swapped completely.  So I can't think of a reason why these LED housings wouldn't work either.  

I'll not have time to mess with mine for a bit; even if I did have a light here.  So your backorder will probably here in time to let you guinea pig this light on the old bikes.  Will look forward to what, if any, needling little details you uncover.

Looks good on the new bike .

I wasn't going to mention this but here's an idea.
I have the entire stock housing with headlights that came out of the 12.
If it fits in the 01 then there is no reason the new LED package assembly wouldn't.


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[Twolanerider]

I wasn't going to mention this but here's an idea.
I have the entire stock housing with headlights that came out of the 12.
If it fits in the 01 then there is no reason the new LED package assembly wouldn't.


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That would tell you.  My old bike has already done much the same thing though.  Fitment matrix on the new light says 04 and newer.  My old bike already has an -09 international headlight housing in it.  Went in like it was made for it.  

Also, if you look up the headlight parts for an 04 Road Glide (the first year within the fitment description for the new LED light) that bike still uses the - 98 and -01 headlight parts that the years before it did.  So it's hard to understand where the 04 and newer fitment makes any sense.  You should be good to go.

[SDCVO]

They look amazing! Mine will be here on the 5th and after seeing yours I cant wait!!

[SBB]

They look amazing! Mine will be here on the 5th and after seeing yours I cant wait!!

You will be very pleased.
And you will especially like the Bar and Shield lit up.

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[RatMonkey]

Howdy--

Really nice guy, and manager at local HD told me that these are very bright, but are a direct beam of light that is different than what we are used to.  He rode with them and said he noticed that his lights did not emit the ambient light that normal lights do, so that he did not make street signs (ahead and off the side) reflect ambient light the way normal lights do, and he said as they all went thru a dark tunnel (at night too) his light beam was very bright and wide, but did not make the walls, ceiling, and such "glow" like normal lights.

He explained it as a very bright and direct white beam of light, and "nothing else."  He made it clear the difference would take some getting used to. 

I want to try them.  I dig the look and the bright light.  But he was somewhat cautious about them... I believe he had them on a newer EG.  Not brand new, but he said they are the same lights. 

What is your take on this?

Thanks for any input! 

[SERK3]

 

[Barmats]

Did you install these yourself, and if so, was it fairly easy? If you had the dealer install these, would you mind sharing the cost or time involvement?

[motor1]

Installed my LED lamps on Friday, pretty easy to install, with no surprises. The kit comes with two metal plates that get bolted ( and taped ) to the fairing between the openings for the stock lights. The metal brackets sandwich the plastic and help strengthen it for the extra weight of the new lamp assembly.
      The lights are very very bright, gonna raise them a little bit. My only complaint ( so far ) you can see them bounce up and down when idling ( especially in the reflection of the car in front of you at traffic light ), and yes, they  are tight and secure. Almost forgot the new bezel (supplied in kit ), is a little flimsy.

[RatMonkey]

Howdy--

Really nice guy, and manager at local HD told me that these are very bright, but are a direct beam of light that is different than what we are used to.  He rode with them and said he noticed that his lights did not emit the ambient light that normal lights do, so that he did not make street signs (ahead and off the side) reflect ambient light the way normal lights do, and he said as they all went thru a dark tunnel (at night too) his light beam was very bright and wide, but did not make the walls, ceiling, and such "glow" like normal lights.

He explained it as a very bright and direct white beam of light, and "nothing else."  He made it clear the difference would take some getting used to. 

I want to try them.  I dig the look and the bright light.  But he was somewhat cautious about them... I believe he had them on a newer EG.  Not brand new, but he said they are the same lights. 

What is your take on this?

Thanks for any input! 

Quoting myself here--- 

Can anyone speak to this info?

Thanks

[2018_FLTRXSE]

SBB,

I noted these lights are available in both black and chrome housings.... which did you get?

[Crusty]

Looks good; these are definitely on my must have list when I get home!

[SBB]

SBB,

I noted these lights are available in both black and chrome housings.... which did you get?

Black.

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[SBB]

Quoting myself here--- 

Can anyone speak to this info?

Thanks

Rat Monkey, per your post your "manager" is talking about an Electra Glide.
The lights pictured are on a Road Glide.
What question(s) do "you" have?

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[Twolanerider]

Black.

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With the black plastic trim housing around the headlights that's in place on the Road Glides my first guess is that the chrome headlight is going to look a bit out of place compared to how the black light will blend in.  Will be interested to see the first one installed.  Sure many will buy the other just because they don't think beyond the word "chrome."  Black is very likely the much preferred option here though.

[RatMonkey]

Rat Monkey, per your post your "manager" is talking about an Electra Glide.
The lights pictured are on a Road Glide.
What question(s) do "you" have?

SBB

My concerns are in the post.  
The manager made it clear that these are the same lights...  
(They are just now made to fit the RG.)
I am curious about the issues he spoke of and if anyone is experience the same... on a RG.
Thanks

[Twolanerider]

My concerns are in the post.  
The manager made it clear that these are the same lights...  
(They are just now made to fit the RG.)
I am curious about the issues he spoke of and if anyone is experience the same... on a RG.
Thanks

Unfortunately the dealership staffs, especially the sales staffs (and that's all a floor manager is at most shops) rarely know a lot more than they read on the boxes so far as product information is concerned.  Both lights are marketed under the name "Daymaker."  That's likely where the gentleman is getting the notion that they are the "same."

We can actually look though.  Put side by side it's obvious that the Road Glide and the prior light aren't the same.  Not only the obvious fact that the Road Glide simply has two of them, but the lights themselves are markedly different in several areas.

[GregKhougaz]

Don, 

Don't try to be logical!  It's just not the HD way!   

GK

[RatMonkey]

Wow.  Making this way too difficult.

The question was really about the performance of the current lights.

Let go of the distraction of the manager and his experience, and just consider the actual concern of the light's capabilities.  

You can do it.

[110tHunDer]

With the black plastic trim housing around the headlights that's in place on the Road Glides my first guess is that the chrome headlight is going to look a bit out of place compared to how the black light will blend in.  Will be interested to see the first one installed.  Sure many will buy the other just because they don't think beyond the word "chrome."  Black is very likely the much preferred option here though.

I don't know that the chrome ones would look any more out of place than a pair of halogens do.  It's possible that on a lighter colored bike, even with the black surround, black lights will be the ones that look odd.

[110tHunDer]

Wow.  Making this way too difficult.

The question was really about the performance of the current lights.

Let go of the distraction of the manager and his experience, and just consider the actual concern of the light's capabilities.  

You can do it.

But he's a "really nice guy!"

[naitram]

Wow.  Making this way too difficult.

The question was really about the performance of the current lights.

Let go of the distraction of the manager and his experience, and just consider the actual concern of the light's capabilities.  

You can do it.

the RG LED's are different then the EG LED's so how do you expect someone with RG lights to answer your dealers concerns about EG lights 

[FUZZNUTS]

Hey Chip, your LED's are "Bitchin". No kidding, they really look great. I all ready have the HID's, so I will put these on my bucket list for the next upgrade.. ..............Damn, gotta wait untill they take a chit....................................................... ..........Fuzz 

[2018_FLTRXSE]

With the black plastic trim housing around the headlights that's in place on the Road Glides my first guess is that the chrome headlight is going to look a bit out of place compared to how the black light will blend in.  Will be interested to see the first one installed.  Sure many will buy the other just because they don't think beyond the word "chrome."  Black is very likely the much preferred option here though.

I was wondering as the stock headlight is reflective/shiny like chrome.

Black looks OK.. but you still have that vertical strip of chrome.

I think I'd like to see the Chrome version installed before I make a final call on which one to use...  (And I need another 16 hours of OT to afford it!)

[Twolanerider]

Don, 

Don't try to be logical!  It's just not the HD way!   

GK

Dammit, there I go again !

[Twolanerider]

I don't know that the chrome ones would look any more out of place than a pair of halogens do.  It's possible that on a lighter colored bike, even with the black surround, black lights will be the ones that look odd.

I don't know for sure either.  That's why am curious to see one.  You going to guinea pig it?  If you do I'll send you a taco !

[Twolanerider]

I was wondering as the stock headlight is reflective/shiny like chrome.

Black looks OK.. but you still have that vertical strip of chrome.

I think I'd like to see the Chrome version installed before I make a final call on which one to use...  (And I need another 16 hours of OT to afford it!)

I just read on the internet (so it must be true) that Brian 103110Thunder is going to guinea pig that expensive chrome one so we'll all know for sure  .

[RatMonkey]

the RG LED's are different then the EG LED's so how do you expect someone with RG lights to answer your dealers concerns about EG lights 

Just simply answering the question would suffice.

[110tHunDer]

I don't know for sure either.  That's why am curious to see one.  You going to guinea pig it?  If you do I'll send you a taco !

I just read on the internet (so it must be true) that Brian 103110Thunder is going to guinea pig that expensive chrome one so we'll all know for sure   .

Chip has to tell me if they'll work on one of the old, decrepit SERGs, first, then I might be your man.  Even though my fairing is 90% black, I think black LEDs might be too much of a divergence from the Classic decrepit SERG look and seem out of place.

No tacos required!

[Fired00d]

Just simply answering the question would suffice.

Why don't you see if you can meet the person that is giving you the information you speak of at night and see for yourself.

Howdy--

Really nice guy, and manager at local HD told me that these are very bright, but are a direct beam of light that is different than what we are used to.  He rode with them and said he noticed that his lights did not emit the ambient light that normal lights do, so that he did not make street signs (ahead and off the side) reflect ambient light the way normal lights do, and he said as they all went thru a dark tunnel (at night too) his light beam was very bright and wide, but did not make the walls, ceiling, and such "glow" like normal lights.

He explained it as a very bright and direct white beam of light, and "nothing else."  He made it clear the difference would take some getting used to. 

I want to try them.  I dig the look and the bright light.  But he was somewhat cautious about them... I believe he had them on a newer EG.  Not brand new, but he said they are the same lights. 

What is your take on this?

Thanks for any input! 

Then you would have your answer first hand.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[110tHunDer]

Just simply answering the question would suffice.

To answer the question you posed, one would have to have both an EG and an RG with LEDs.  How many people do you think have had first-hand experience with LEDs in both models?  Oh, wait, Chip does!  He bought the LEDs for his EG, knowing that, yes, there's a difference in the light pattern between an LED and a standard halogen headlight.  Sur-phucking-prise!  THEN, he was actually the first one here to bite the bullet and buy LEDs for his RG and reports here that they are amazing in that application, as well.

If you like to light up the walls and ceilings of tunnels, these lights might not be for you.  But if you like to see farther down the road in front of you, these might be just the ticket!  I see from another post you made that you already have a set for your SERGC on order.  Why don't you just look forward to the installation and then do a report back to us with your impressions.

In other words ......... let it go already.

[Twolanerider]

Chip has to tell me if they'll work on one of the old, decrepit SERGs, first, then I might be your man.  Even though my fairing is 90% black, I think black LEDs might be too much of a divergence from the Classic decrepit SERG look and seem out of place.

No tacos required!

On the old and decrepitererer red SERG the midnight red primary color on the fairing is dark enough it blends in pretty well with the newer model's black headlight trim.  I'm thinking the black light would look better in that mix.  But you're right; we need to let Chip guinea pig all this out first.

[SBB]

Chip has to tell me if they'll work on one of the old, decrepit SERGs, first, then I might be your man.  Even though my fairing is 90% black, I think black LEDs might be too much of a divergence from the Classic decrepit SERG look and seem out of place.

No tacos required!

This thread is so funny.
I typed an original response to Rat Monkey and decided to can it because someone might think a chithead wrote the response.
That is why I nicely asked him what his questions/concerns were and was prepared to answer them.
I'm still waiting for his questions.

With that aside here's my next thought.

I wasn't going to mention this but here's an idea.
I have the entire stock housing with headlights that came out of the 12.
If it fits in the 01 then there is no reason the new LED package assembly wouldn't.
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I just remembered, I have a spare 01 SERG blue outer fairing. (imagine that)
Give me a few days and I will unbox it and see if the 12 stock lights will fit.
Doing that means I don't have to take the outer fairing off the 01 SERG. (and we all know what a pain that is)
And yes I will take pictures.

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See, even I can be a really nice guy sometimes.

[Twolanerider]

This thread is so funny.
I typed an original response to Rat Monkey and decided to can it because someone might think a chithead wrote the response.
That is why I nicely asked him what his questions/concerns were and was prepared to answer them.
I'm still waiting for his questions.

With that aside here's my next thought.
I just remembered, I have a spare 01 SERG blue outer fairing. (imagine that)
Give me a few days and I will unbox it and see if the 12 stock lights will fit.
Doing that means I don't have to take the outer fairing off the 01 SERG. (and we all know what a pain that is)
And yes I will take pictures.

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See, even I can be a really nice guy sometimes.

I have a spare fairing also.  Let me test fit that light here for a few years ?  (see, I can be a nice guy too!)

[Crusty]

ONE of the (few) good things about being deployed until Jul 13; y'all will have this all figured out for me and the backorders will be cleared!  

Seems like black would be a good option on the yeller SERG; looking forward to seeing pics.

[naitram]

Just simply answering the question would suffice.

 

my dealer doesn't like apples, can you tell me if your oranges taste like apples.

[ultrarider123]

It's all been a hoot to see this discussion.  Some folks you just can't reach with normal logic...not that there was anybody on this thread that fits that definition.... .  Bottom line and from SBB's comments on day and night improvement over the stock halogens, the LED's are the way to go with the SERG.  The stock halogen lights are crap.  While I don't ride a RG, my buddy does and will be switching to LED's.  Based on this and other threads discussing the LED's, I will be changing SG to the LED unit, too.  Now, which one to go with....

I do have one question on the LED's and this may the thread but have a good friend in the neon sign business.  His business went down a few years ago when everyone starting going to LED lighting.  After a few months, the business started picking back up as the business owners were not happy with the LED's as the intensity/output was degrading over usage and they are going back to neon which works for years.  As we have quite a few on this site with LED headlights that are lit constantly, has anyone seen any degrading of the light intensity over days/weeks/months of use?

[SBB]

This has been a fun thread for me.
 
So let me muddy the water a bit.
I was going to start another thread but didn't want to exceed my monthly thread quota this early in the month.
I figured this thread was about LED's and Road Glides so here goes.
I'm trying to keep the 12 SERG a little sleeker than the 11.5 SEUC barge but still want more light to be seen.
Enter the Maggie Valley GTG and I see Stu's and Terry's bike. Bingo, I'm toast again.
So now the 12 SERG has 4 lights on the rear and 4 on the front.
And keeping on topic, they are LED!

 

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[SBB]

I was feeling good today and thought I would get that spare blue 01 SERG fairing down from the shelf in the garage. (the car garage)
Damn, I have to move the red scooters outside and the Mustang to get to the box and then get the ladder to reach it.
Sorry Brian not today.
It's raining here and the Mustang is Glared and clean.

 

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[SBB]

Here's another of the front of the 12 SERG.

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[SBB]

I do have one question on the LED's and this may the thread but have a good friend in the neon sign business.  His business went down a few years ago when everyone starting going to LED lighting.  After a few months, the business started picking back up as the business owners were not happy with the LED's as the intensity/output was degrading over usage and they are going back to neon which works for years.  As we have quite a few on this site with LED headlights that are lit constantly, has anyone seen any degrading of the light intensity over days/weeks/months of use?

Good question UR.
I don't have a clue.
I sure hope there is no degrading of the light over time.
We shall see. (or if they go dim, maybe we won't)

 

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[110tHunDer]

 
I've had mine for right at two years, first on my '04 SEEG and now on the '12 SEUC.  Haven't noticed any difference yet.

[Midnight Rider]

Chip...those Ringz lights on the front are the ticket, huh?  Anything to be seen better.  And the LED headlamps look great on the bike as well.

As far as LED's deteriorating over time...It's not a direct comparison, of course, but TV's have LED lighting and I'm sure they don't.   I also have LED's that light up my small aquarium and they burn 14 hours a day and I can't tell they have degraded with time.  I do have to clean the housing in that application, but that's it.  Don't know how UV light in an outdoor sign application would effect them over time though.    Probably dependent on how the LED's are housed.

Ultrarider...glad to hear your friend's neon business did not take a long term hit though.  While LED's are neat on billboards and such, there's nothing that compares with a nice neon sign.

[moscooter]

 
Being an Ultra owner that has added the LED lites,  I'll make two observations that may or may not apply.  First of all,  have never heard anywhere else of any (deterioration) of light from the LEDs...........I'm calling total Bull chit on that one till proved otherwise.

Second of all,  (for those of you SE Road Glide owners that just might have the garage door opener option)............Swapping to the new LED headlites can cause the GDO to no longer function.  Not sure if this will be the case for the RG LED install,  but if it is..........there is an associated thread somewhere here that mentions the HD pigtail harness that can be used to fix that problem.............fyi......

[ultrarider123]

Being an Ultra owner that has added the LED lites,  I'll make two observations that may or may not apply.  First of all,  have never heard anywhere else of any (deterioration) of light from the LEDs...........I'm calling total Bull chit on that one till proved otherwise.

Mos, that's why I was asking.  I had not heard of anything concerning that either when it came to headlights (or LED TV's) but I do know the LED sign lights vs neon lighting is correct as my friend almost had to close his shop.  Then, things turned around as the LED issues started and he's now as busy as ever.  As Mid. Rider stated, it may be something as simple as the UV protection (or lack of) for the LED sign lighting vs the glass enclosure made for the neon.  As we can all see either in the pictures or in person, the headlights are pretty well protected from any UV issues which is a good thing.  I was just curious if anyone had seen any issues with diming and looks like from the reponses that answer would be "no".  Good to know before spending $200 or more on a headlight...

[LovemyCVOgirl]

Chip, I love your new LED's    Do they come in RED 

[moscooter]

 
Per info I got last year,  here is the company that makes the full size LED headlights and passing lights for Harley D.   I would presume that they are also making the smaller ones that now fit the SERGC as well.

http://www.jwspeaker.com/other/led-headlamps

[GregKhougaz]

I had asked above what justification there might be for spending $700 (or $560 if you get the 20%) for LED's over the HID's which cost about $118 (Xenonlink.com and others).  I assumed there was a significant difference in electrical current draw with the LED's having the advantage.   Apparently not. 

The JWSpeaker website mentioned by moscooter above has some good information here:  10 Reasons to Upgrade Your Headlights to LED.  They are trying to convince you to go with LED's, of course. 

That link is a PDF showing a comparison of LED, HID, Halogen and Incandescent lights.  It claims LED current draw is only about 30% less than HID's which are very efficient compared to Halogen or incandescent lights.  The only other significant, claimed advantage is in color.  JW says their LED's are 7,500 in color.  My HID's are 6,000 but no one who looks can see a discernible difference.  I spoke with Mary in sales at JW.  They are prohibited by their contract with HD from marketing their own brand.  They have, however, dealers marketing 7" and 4.5" round LED's which would fit the CVO Ultra.... 

At Street Vibrations, I spoke with the reps from Kuryakyn about LED headlights for the Road Glide.  They are awaiting DOT approval.  The cost should compare to what they have already done for the Ultra, about 60% of HD cost. 

Last week, I rode with Treeman from Mariposa, CA to Miller's Landing (Bass Lake) in the dark.  Treeman has an Ultra Limited with LED head and passing lamps.  It was about 50 miles on very dark, winding roads.  On the road, neither of us could discern any lumen difference between his three LED's and my two HID's.  My beam pattern was wider but that could have been due to how his were adjusted.... 

[SBB]

I had asked above what justification there might be for spending $700 (or $560 if you get the 20%) for LED's over the HID's which cost about $118 (Xenonlink.com and others).  I assumed there was a significant difference in electrical current draw with the LED's having the advantage.   Apparently not. 

The JWSpeaker website mentioned by moscooter above has some good information here:  10 Reasons to Upgrade Your Headlights to LED.  They are trying to convince you to go with LED's, of course. 

That link is a PDF showing a comparison of LED, HID, Halogen and Incandescent lights.  It claims LED current draw is only about 30% less than HID's which are very efficient compared to Halogen or incandescent lights.  The only other significant, claimed advantage is in color.  JW says their LED's are 7,500 in color.  My HID's are 6,000 but no one who looks can see a discernible difference.  I spoke with Mary in sales at JW.  They are prohibited by their contract with HD from marketing their own brand.  They have, however, dealers marketing 7" and 4.5" round LED's which would fit the CVO Ultra.... 

At Street Vibrations, I spoke with the reps from Kuryakyn about LED headlights for the Road Glide.  They are awaiting DOT approval.  The cost should compare to what they have already done for the Ultra, about 60% of HD cost. 

Last week, I rode with Treeman from Mariposa, CA to Miller's Landing (Bass Lake) in the dark.  Treeman has an Ultra Limited with LED head and passing lamps.  It was about 50 miles on very dark, winding roads.  On the road, neither of us could discern any lumen difference between his three LED's and my two HID's.  My beam pattern was wider but that could have been due to how his were adjusted.... 

I'm glad you got all that off your chest Greg.
Maybe now you will feel better about not having LED's.
It's your money and only you can justify how, why or what you spend it on.
I usually buy what I like, be it in this case any of the LED Harley lights, the LED Motolights or the LED Custom Dynamics lights.
I trust that most people do the same.
Good luck with your bike!

 

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[110tHunDer]

 
This is just one of those threads that only comes along every so often.

[Robmay]

My concerns are in the post.  
The manager made it clear that these are the same lights...  
(They are just now made to fit the RG.)
I am curious about the issues he spoke of and if anyone is experience the same... on a RG.
Thanks

Chip? You been in a tunnel or near a road sign at night? Can you answer this?

Rob

[Fired00d]

This is just one of those threads that only comes along every so often.

Ain't that the truth.

I think I'll just keep my stock lights along w/my stock hinges so everyone can get back to giving me the bizzness like normal.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[knothead]

Who cares about those lights...
 I never ride at night, too many skunks on the road.

[SBB]

Who cares about those lights...
 I never ride at night, too many skunks on the road.

OMG No.
They have 2012 SERGC skunks in Texas?
Say it isn't so.

 

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[sadunbar]

This is just one of those threads that only comes along every so often.

          

[Crusty]

Mos, that's why I was asking.  I had not heard of anything concerning that either when it came to headlights (or LED TV's) but I do know the LED sign lights vs neon lighting is correct as my friend almost had to close his shop.  Then, things turned around as the LED issues started and he's now as busy as ever.  As Mid. Rider stated, it may be something as simple as the UV protection (or lack of) for the LED sign lighting vs the glass enclosure made for the neon.  As we can all see either in the pictures or in person, the headlights are pretty well protected from any UV issues which is a good thing.  I was just curious if anyone had seen any issues with diming and looks like from the reponses that answer would be "no".  Good to know before spending $200 or more on a headlight...

My bet is it has nothing to do with the LEDs deteriorating; more likely it is buyers remorse... neon is just plain cool and given the choice to have an LED sign or a neon sign, it's no comparison. Let our grandkids' kids deal with the consequences of the extra power usage... bring on the NEON!! 

[Crusty]

I had asked above what justification there might be for spending $700 (or $560 if you get the 20%) for LED's over the HID's which cost about $118 (Xenonlink.com and others).  I assumed there was a significant difference in electrical current draw with the LED's having the advantage.   Apparently not. 
n the road, neither of us could discern any lumen difference between his three LED's and my two HID's.  My beam pattern was wider but that could have been due to how his were adjusted.... 

Biggest problem I've found with aftermarket HID installation (4 vehicles/3 bikes) is the housings and reflectors are not made for HID, so the light pattern they throw is too bright, no matter how you adjust them. In every vehicle I've done this to, even with the lights cranked as low as they'll go, I get flashed (and not in the good way lol) often. Especially when I throw mama on the back of the bike (no "do these HIDs make my ass look big jokes please... lol).

Given the choice of an ill-fitting aftermarket option or a plug & play option designed for the bike, it makes more sense to me to go with the complete solution. If there was an HID housing available for my trucks or bikes, I'd go with that option. From the feedback I've heard about the LED option, it sounds like the way to go. Is the price outrageous in true HD fashion, yes. But I'll get a whole lot more use out of my LED headlights than the chrome passenger floorboards I put on the bike, and they were damn near this much.

[GaLonghair]

For what it is worth: Just installed the LED's, so here goes. These things are very bright with a sharp horizontal cutoff on low. The high added a very focussed (spot pattern) to the low pattern with limited illumination of raised highway signs. (simular to H-D HID style). They are not white(5000K), but blue (7500K) and will make white LED's look yellow by comparison. Baja Designs make a twin LED add on light that combines a spot and a driving light in one housing that really fills in the areas the H-D don't get and lights up overhead! (I already had them installed on the engine guards). Talk about a wall of light! Combined cost is high, About 1K, but will make it like driving in daylight. If you cannot see with this setup, you do not need to be riding at night, or probably any other time either !

[Robmay]

I'm digging these turn signal lights!

[Midnight Rider]

I'm digging these turn signal lights!

Rob...Custom Dynamics:  Dynamic Ringz, part number GEN200-AW-1157   http://www.customdynamics.com/harley_turn_signal_retro.htm    You can also get the solid amber turn signals for the rear and any kind of LED tailight of your choosing.

I put all that on my bike this past March.  If you buy it all together, you get a price break and the give you the load equalizer.  I got the Ringz, rear turn signals, Smoke LED Laydown w/window tailight, load equalizer, and Magic Strobe which gives the tailight 10 different settings for flashing patterns when applying the brakes.  Makes a huge difference in visibility, front and rear.  It's all plug and play...the load equalizer and Magic Strobe mount in the area under the seat where the ECM is located with double sided tape.  A few wire ties and you're done.  Custom Dynamics has great customer service as well...great people to do business with.

[Robmay]

Thanks Terry! Chip actually sent me the info on these as well. Even if I end up staying with the PIAA's for a while, I think these would be a most welcomed addition!

Thank you very much for the input/info on the package deal with the rear! I didn't know about those. If I don't see you before, I hope to see you at Ribfest in May 2013!! Always a pleasure...

[Midnight Rider]

Thanks Terry! Chip actually sent me the info on these as well. Even if I end up staying with the PIAA's for a while, I think these would be a most welcomed addition!

Thank you very much for the input/info on the package deal with the rear! I didn't know about those. If I don't see you before, I hope to see you at Ribfest in May 2013!! Always a pleasure...

It is money well spent, Rob.  Here's an example of Custom Dynamics customer service:  In MV, Judy noticed that my tailight had some condensation inside it.  When I got back home, I sent them an email telling them about the problem, as the tailight is a sealed unit.  Without me having to send the old unit back, they sent me a brand new tailight in two days.  IMO, you can't beat that.

Sorry I didn't get to visit more in MV with you and Annette...always good to see you guys.  Hope to see you at Ribfest next May!!

[LovemyCVOgirl]

It is money well spent, Rob.  Here's an example of Custom Dynamics customer service:  In MV, Judy noticed that my tailight had some condensation inside it.  When I got back home, I sent them an email telling them about the problem, as the tailight is a sealed unit.  Without me having to send the old unit back, they sent me a brand new tailight in two days.  IMO, you can't beat that.

Sorry I didn't get to visit more in MV with you and Annette...always good to see you guys.  Hope to see you at Ribfest next May!!

Great deal Terry, Now that's what I call customer service 

[rogercm]

I just picked my bike up after having the dealer install the new lights and I have two questions for any of you that have had the LED's installed on their SERG: When I turn the ignition to ACC, the small bar and shield should light up? Do I have to have the acc switch on the dash turned on as well to make it happen? Mine does not come on with the ignition to ACC and they did not give me the installation instructions back with the old lights. Does anyone know how long the lights are warrantied for by the MOCO? Thanks for anyones help here.

[jr1000yarder]

I just turn mine to acc and it lights up

[hdbrad03]

I just picked my bike up after having the dealer install the new lights and I have two questions for any of you that have had the LED's installed on their SERG: When I turn the ignition to ACC, the small bar and shield should light up? Do I have to have the acc switch on the dash turned on as well to make it happen? Mine does not come on with the ignition to ACC and they did not give me the installation instructions back with the old lights. Does anyone know how long the lights are warrantied for by the MOCO? Thanks for anyones help here.

That was needed function so they would be approved in the International Market.

 

    Brad

[GaLonghair]

There is a lead from the lights that has to be hooked up to a wire on the light wire bundle (that is used for parking lights in europe) that I bet your dealer didn't do!

[SBB]

I just picked my bike up after having the dealer install the new lights and I have two questions for any of you that have had the LED's installed on their SERG: When I turn the ignition to ACC, the small bar and shield should light up? YES! Do I have to have the acc switch on the dash turned on as well to make it happen? NO! Mine does not come on with the ignition to ACC and they did not give me the installation instructions back with the old lights. Does anyone know how long the lights are warrantied for by the MOCO? NO! Thanks for anyones help here.

There is a lead from the lights that has to be hooked up to a wire on the light wire bundle that I bet your dealer didn't do!

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[110tHunDer]

I was feeling good today and thought I would get that spare blue 01 SERG fairing down from the shelf in the garage. (the car garage)
Damn, I have to move the red scooters outside and the Mustang to get to the box and then get the ladder to reach it.
Sorry Brian not today.
It's raining here and the Mustang is Glared and clean.

 

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Hey, is it still raining over there?

[SBB]

Hey, is it still raining over there?

You killin me man, just killin me!

 

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[FLSTFI Dave]

I installed the LED's on my Skunk wednesday the 3rd.  Not to bad a job.  And yes you have to connect the small wire on the head light assembly to the acc wire.

There is a definite flat horizontal cut off to them.  They do reach out farther on both low and high beam.  The biggest improvement for me is the sides of the roads.  I live country, on hilly curve roads 20 miles out of town.  So they are a big help.  I may adjust mine up a little more. 

I have several night rides on mine, and I am glad I made the change.  They look better too so that is an added plus.

[Crusty]

I installed the LED's on my Skunk wednesday the 3rd.  Not to bad a job.  And yes you have to connect the small wire on the head light assembly to the acc wire.

There is a definite flat horizontal cut off to them.  They do reach out farther on both low and high beam.  The biggest improvement for me is the sides of the roads.  I live country, on hilly curve roads 20 miles out of town.  So they are a big help.  I may adjust mine up a little more. 

I have several night rides on mine, and I am glad I made the change.  They look better too so that is an added plus.

Good feedback, thanks!

[Robmay]

My bike is at the dealer for some minor warranty work. Gonna have a set of the black and chrome installed. What do I need to do to get the garage door opener working again? It will not work anymore right?

[catahoula58]

Good deal over at http://www.lshd1.com/servlet/Categories for the LED lights.  $559.95 which is 20% off from dealer cost for all that are looking to change out current lights.  I ordered mine today!  just so that everyone knows where to get the best deal in town.

[FLSTFI Dave]

My bike is at the dealer for some minor warranty work. Gonna have a set of the black and chrome installed. What do I need to do to get the garage door opener working again? It will not work anymore right?

Nothing changed with my garage door opener when I installed the LED's on my Skunk.  The HD garage door opener still work great with the LED lights

[redbeard719]

Good deal over at http://www.lshd1.com/servlet/Categories for the LED lights.  $559.95 which is 20% off from dealer cost for all that are looking to change out current lights.  I ordered mine today!  just so that everyone knows where to get the best deal in town.

Yep!  I've been a loyal customer to Lake Shore for a while now.  My LED headlights for my RG conversion will be here Monday.  Can't beat that price, with free shipping and no local sales tax.

[redeagle2002]

had mine put into my 2012 skunk before we went to panama city rally. We left at 6 am and they really lit up the night,   it almost looks like you are riding in a TRON game

[Twolanerider]

Unhooking the battery shouldn't dump the programming in the garage door transmitter.

[Robmay]

My bike is at the dealer for some minor warranty work. Gonna have a set of the black and chrome installed. What do I need to do to get the garage door opener working again? It will not work anymore right?

Never mind. Not paying another dime at the dealer that I don't have to.

[Midnight Rider]

I got to call custom dynamics then. I also have plugged to the light harness JDO tour pack turning light thing, maybe thats what it  is. Why is the picture on its side?? It looks straight when I took it and downloaded to the computer !! weird!

The GDO transmitter is wired directly to the high/low beam wires on the headlamps, so nothing you did to the turn signals should have any effect on the GDO.  Try re-pairing the GDO per the instructions that came witht he GDO.

[Midnight Rider]

Thanks! I found one of the turning light was faulty. I put back on the original bulb and voila ! the GDO worked again. I do not know how that happened , cause as you say is wired directly to the HL beams, however with the load equalizer that they provide can't tell with my very little experience if it could affect current, amperage or else to the rest of the electrical wiring since it connects directly to the battery.

Sorry to hear that you found a faulty part...I'm sure CD will take care of it for you.

Don't get why it made the GDO not work though    I do know this for a fact:  The GDO transmitter is very sensitive to ANY amount of feedback voltage...if the voltage does not drop to 0 Volts on the high/low beam wires when operating the switch, you'll have problems.  When I put the HID's on my bike, it dealt me fits trying to figure it out.  Finally just put a Flash to Pass transmitter/receiver in and stopped beating my head against a wall.  You can also do it by installing a relay that isolates the power going to the transmitter on the high/low beam wires.

[Robmay]

Never mind. Not paying another dime at the dealer that I don't have to.

Nevermind, had it done anyway! Long story, but they took care of me so i moved ahead with the install and am super glad I did! 

Lights look great, and my garage door opener works fine!'

[SDCVO]

How do you get just the "bar and shield" to light up? I just installed mine and heard that if you turned the ignition to acc if would come on but I tried that with no luck..

[SDCVO]

Is the only difference if hooked up that it will light up on the acc position? I do see that when the lights are on (bike on), they do light up.

[SDCVO]

??

[09S/E roadglide]

Looks good Chip ! all you need now is a set of motolights !   

[FLSTFI Dave]

Is the only difference if hooked up that it will light up on the acc position? I do see that when the lights are on (bike on), they do light up.

Yes.  They all light up with the ignition on or high beam.  However if you want just the Bar and shield to light up, the little wire on the head light harness has to be connected to the acc wire in the fairing. 

[RANDY JAMES]

Got mine on the new Fudgesikle, Whow I love night driving now.

[LovemyCVOgirl]

Got mine on the new Fudgesikle, Whow I love night driving now.

Those lights look really awesome!  Love your MC. 

[SDCVO]

Yes.  They all light up with the ignition on or high beam.  However if you want just the Bar and shield to light up, the little wire on the head light harness has to be connected to the acc wire in the fairing. 

Thanks Dave!

[bigmegina]

i like the look of the leds,but not the price.my buddy had the hids like mine and switched to the leds.he said the hids were brighter,but he wanted the leds.my hids were $100 shipped and lifetime guarantee.

[PJinHouston]

what is the part number?

[bigmegina]

what is the part number?

do you want the part numbers of my hids?

[PJinHouston]

i was under the impression there was a harley part number

[bigmegina]

i was under the impression there was a harley part number

they are not harley parts.harley leds are over $700,my hids $100.

[PJinHouston]

i prefer the harley leds

[bigmegina]

i prefer the harley leds

personal preference.

[FLSTFI Dave]

i like the look of the leds,but not the price.my buddy had the hids like mine and switched to the leds.he said the hids were brighter,but he wanted the leds.my hids were $100 shipped and lifetime guarantee.

Interesting I have seen other posts on the site and on a road glide site, this is the first post I have seen where the HID is brighter than the LED.  All other posts I have seen have said the LED were brighter.

[bigmegina]

Interesting I have seen other posts on the site and on a road glide site, this is the first post I have seen where the HID is brighter than the LED.  All other posts I have seen have said the LED were brighter.

i bought these  55w hi and low,6000k.i used 6000k because it is the whitest color.i did not want a blue tint.if you go higher than 6000k they turn blue in color.if you buy them make sure you chose the right options.pm me and i will give you details.


http://www.ddmtuning.com/Products/DDM-35W-55W-Dual-Motorcycle-HID-Kit

[Rio]

Are the daymaker user installable or is or better to take it to the stealer? Thanks .

I think your able to remove the headlight unitl from the front of the fairing and perform the install without removing the fairing.     I'm sure someone will chime in on this since a lot of people have been waiting for this product.  i'm hoping so, i hate removing the shark fairing, its a pain to hook back on and every time you draw those screws you weaken the connection.

[bigmegina]

I think your able to remove the headlight unitl from the front of the fairing and perform the install without removing the fairing.    I'm sure someone will chime in on this since a lot of people have been waiting for this product.  i'm hoping so, i hate removing the shark fairing, its a pain to hook back on and every time you draw those screws you weaken the connection.

you have to remove the front fairing.it is a pain in the rear,but doable.

[Rio]

If you can, take pictures as you go along.  I'm not to keen about drilling into the fairing for the new headlamps, but on the otherhand if their a different size, that makes sense.  Make sure you have a helper to get the fairing back on. You will see a black hook type bracket below the radio about 8 inches.  The fairing has to go up and over, it hooks on to that bracket.  It can be a bugger to do by yourself!

[bigmegina]

If you can, take pictures as you go along.  I'm not to keen about drilling into the fairing for the new headlamps, but on the otherhand if their a different size, that makes sense.  Make sure you have a helper to get the fairing back on. You will see a black hook type bracket below the radio about 8 inches.  The fairing has to go up and over, it hooks on to that bracket.  It can be a bugger to do by yourself!

i was told you have to drill holes because they can be adjusted from the rear.why spend $700 and drill your fairing when hids are brighter and 1/6th the price?to each his own.

[Midnight Rider]

This is the first I've heard about having to drill any holes.  If the lights mount to the same headlamp bracket, I can't imagine why there would be a need to drill any holes, and it also seems to me that you could install the lights without removing the fairing, at least on the newer model RG's.  I was able to install the HID's, ballasts, etc without removing the fairing, and the LED's don't even require finding a place for the ballasts to mount.  There are already two holes on the inner fairing for headlamp adjustment.

I don't get it...

[bigmegina]

i was wrong about drilling holes.here is a install from another forum.the headlight adjusters are the problem.

Hi all, this weekend I splurged and bought a set of chrome Daymaker headlights for my 2011 FLTRX. I have had the fairing off a couple of times, done some wiring, and was confident I could manage the project. Not so fast my friends.So here goes; I pulled the Daymaker headlight assembly and other items from the box. I reviewed the instructions and knew this would be about a 60-90 minute job for me. I put the bike on the jack to raise it up so I could work on it without bending too much. I then removed the front fairing and the stock bezel and headlamps. I install the Daymaker’s per the instructions and had absolutely no problems; but this is where it all starts.

After I installed the lights I could not get the fairing onto the mounting hooks. I take about 45 minutes and move and zip tie the wires all around thinking that the wiring harness was blocking the install. I still cannot get the fairing onto the hooks. I then removed Daymaker assembly from the fairing and the fairing goes right onto the hooks without issue. So I examined the headlight assembly to see if the actual assembly is blocking the ability to mount the fairing onto the hooks. I see some plastic on the assembly in the area where the hooks should go so I think that maybe those are keeping the fairing from getting onto the hooks. I melt that plastic down and re-install the assembly in the fairing. I still am not having luck getting the fairing onto the hooks. By now I can see where the lower light adjustment screws on the rear of the Daymaker’s are hitting the fairing. So I now have found why the fairing won’t go back on.

At this time I start adjusting the adjustment screws (screwing them down) and the fairing mounts up real nice with the assembly installed. The problem now is my lights are now facing the sky and the bezel wont seat. I start to adjust the adjustment screws back out and in the end, three hours after I started this simple project, realize that they simply won’t allow my lights to be adjusted properly and at the same time be able to mount the fairing and install the bezel.

The resolution - so I ended up taking the adjustment screws from the stock headlamp assembly (which are about ¾” shorter), installed those onto the Daymakers and ten minutes later the project is done. The stock adjustment screws and green tabs were a perfect fit. The Daymaker assembly fits into the fairing, the fairing fits onto the hooks, and the bezel fits. All done.

If the damn directions would have mentioned to use the stock adjustment screws this project would have taken about 60 to 70 minutes for me. In the end, it took about four hours. I hope this saves someone some time if they have the same problem. I unfortunately will never recover the three hours I lost. On the bright side, I worked up a great thirst and quenched it beautifully.

Sorry, no pics, did not even think about it until now.
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[Twolanerider]

i was wrong about drilling holes.here is a install from another forum.the headlight adjusters are the problem.

That is nearly priceless information.  Will save (no doubt me someday) some of us those same hours fighting one sometime before seeing what you've already discovered.  Thanks for posting the details.  Good info .

[Rio]

As promised , here is the printed instructions, at least the two pages that matter.

I stopped by the dealership on my way to work this morning.  I was surprised they had a set on the shelf for sale.  I was also surprised that at 10:10 the store was busy based on all the uncertainty and chit happening right now?  Anyway, I was talking to the guy there and so you know, they want 2.5 hours at $85 an hour to install the lights.  He tried to make it seem as complicated as possible saying that you have to drill into the fairing for the support bracket and if you screw it up it will cost you a fairing nice pitch!  If you can't drill 3 holes into resin plastic without screwing it up you should probably put training wheels on your  bike too?

[Midnight Rider]

As promised , here is the printed instructions, at least the two pages that matter.

OK...got it.  I had not noticed that the actual headlamps were a different shape than stock, so would need a different mounting bracket.  I think I'll just stick with my HID's and "save" $500.

I can't imagine why somebody can't design a LED replacement lamp for the RG that uses the round shaped lamp to make it truly plug and play.   

[bigmegina]

OK...got it.  I had not noticed that the actual headlamps were a different shape than stock, so would need a different mounting bracket.  I think I'll just stick with my HID's and "save" $500.

I can't imagine why somebody can't design a LED replacement lamp for the RG that uses the round shaped lamp to make it truly plug and play.   

i agree

[Crusty]

I bet this person did not install the bracket, that will cause the screws to be to reach longer into the faring.

Agreed! I know HD isn't perfect, but I'm betting they'd probably get the screw size right if it was somethign that wasn't going to fit.

[Rio]

Great Job!  Thanks for the time saving instructions and the great pictures!  Save others time when they decide to tear into the project.  Winter is too close, I'm going to wait until after the first of the year when snow is on the ground.  I call it winter therapy, work on the scoot during winter, helps look forward to spring.  I'm going to install the day makers in black and add CFR cans to my fullsac head pipes and sell the stock cans with the 2.25 cores.  I absolutely love the sound of the CFR mufflers, I don't race my bike from stop light to stop light, I have the 30t pulley, the performance loss is not a big deal.

[bigmegina]

great job!i never take my bike to the dealer unless it is warrenty work.buy a harley shop manual and do it yourself.

[Glenncarp]

I am perplexed that there are 11 pages regarding this topic with all the topics addressing HID lights on this forum,

So let me make sure I am understanding this:
New HD daymakers are $699 to purchase, you need to add a bracket for the added weight and you need to replace the stock bezel with a flimsier one.

I bought 6000 W HID lights (Whitest light before they turn blue) for $49 each. Popped off stock bezel and used Velcro to attach ballasts to inside of fairing next to each light.

Yep, no cool lit HD in center of the lights, but for a grand total of $100, the HID lights light up the road and road signs a mile down range.

Still don't get it! 

[Glenncarp]

I am amazed how people in this blog criticizes others for their freedom of choice. Thank God I live in a country where there are so many choices.
It comes down to this:

1.- How happy you are with the results of your mods/installation .
2.- Budget/disposable income. Very important but if I'd care so much about that I will not be buying a $36,000 bike
3.- There is noway a bulb change will have the same cosmetic impact on the bike as the HD LEDs have.
4.- Pretty sure they will work at night way better than the stock lights I used for two years , waiting on something that I really like.

By the way , just came back from Disney  world , went with my family and grandparents , spent double what the lights cost . No regrets either.

 

Criticizing? I read all 11 pages and I saw comments, questions. opinions and thoughts. Nowhere did I read a criticism for installing the new lights.

Prior to HD having the daylighter lights, I read EVERY post on this great forum regarding HID headlights. That is what this form is about. If we all read a post and only commented on how great and informative it was, this forum would be boring and useless. Some like the looks of the Daylighters, I personally do not.

Amen to the freedom in this country to choose what we want and to also be able to voice an opinion if we do not like something or have a different/better idea and want those interested to read it!

[bigmegina]

I am amazed how people in this blog criticizes others for their freedom of choice. Thank God I live in a country where there are so many choices.
It comes down to this:

1.- How happy you are with the results of your mods/installation .
2.- Budget/disposable income. Very important but if I'd care so much about that I will not be buying a $36,000 bike
3.- There is noway a bulb change will have the same cosmetic impact on the bike as the HD LEDs have.
4.- Pretty sure they will work at night way better than the stock lights I used for two years , waiting on something that I really like.

By the way , just came back from Disney  world , went with my family and grandparents , spent double what the lights cost . No regrets either.

 

everybody has a different view about spending money.yes everyone here spent over 35k for their bikes and did not mind because they preceived they were getting value for their money.and we all know HD stands for "hundred dollars" when you want to buy something.but some people including myself believes that $700 plus tax for 2 headlights is just plain greedy robbery period.i have a saying that when i buy something no matter what the cost,"i do not mind paying for something i want,i do not like overpaying".nice bike great job on the install and pictorial.

[Crusty]

I bought 6000 W HID lights (Whitest light before they turn blue) for $49 each. Popped off stock bezel and used Velcro to attach ballasts to inside of fairing next to each light.

Yep, no cool lit HD in center of the lights, but for a grand total of $100, the HID lights light up the road and road signs a mile down range.

Still don't get it! 

Might be much cheaper, and I have the same bulbs in my SERG, but pitting HID bulbs in the stock reflectors results in the light scattering everywhere. How often do you get flashed (high beams, not the "good" kind lol)? I get flashed fairly frequently, because even when cranked down to the lowest setting, the light still throws above the normal cutoff and in certain circumstances blinds oncoming traffic. Sure, great for you, but when the guy coming at you can't see and drifts across the center line, maybe not so much. That's why I'll gladly spend the money for the LED system that is designed to A) comply with the law and B) provide effective lighting. Looking cool and the lit HD are just a bonus.

[bigmegina]

Might be much cheaper, and I have the same bulbs in my SERG, but pitting HID bulbs in the stock reflectors results in the light scattering everywhere. How often do you get flashed (high beams, not the "good" kind lol)? I get flashed fairly frequently, because even when cranked down to the lowest setting, the light still throws above the normal cutoff and in certain circumstances blinds oncoming traffic. Sure, great for you, but when the guy coming at you can't see and drifts across the center line, maybe not so much. That's why I'll gladly spend the money for the LED system that is designed to A) comply with the law and B) provide effective lighting. Looking cool and the lit HD are just a bonus.

i never get flashed with my hids,they are adjusted correctly.try lowering them alittle.

[SDCVO]

After reading a couple of the threads here I had the dealer set up my LED's 1 foot higher at 25 ft for a more efficient light pattern and I rarely get flashed by oncoming traffic. I live in a very rural area which is absolutely pitch black at night and these lights are night and day (pun intended) from the PIAA's I had been running. Setting them up higher works great and IMHO, look amazing on the bike.

[Robmay]

After reading a couple of the threads here I had the dealer set up my LED's 1 foot higher at 25 ft for a more efficient light pattern and I rarely get flashed by oncoming traffic. I live in a very rural area which is absolutely pitch black at night and these lights are night and day (pun intended) from the PIAA's I had been running. Setting them up higher works great and IMHO, look amazing on the bike.

I agree. I installed the PIAA's first trying to save the money, but they do not compare to these LED's. I really like the LED's, form AND functionality. Rarely get that with an "upgrade".

[Robmay]

Criticizing? I read all 11 pages and I saw comments, questions. opinions and thoughts. Nowhere did I read a criticism for installing the new lights.

Prior to HD having the daylighter lights, I read EVERY post on this great forum regarding HID headlights. That is what this form is about. If we all read a post and only commented on how great and informative it was, this forum would be boring and useless. Some like the looks of the Daylighters, I personally do not.

Amen to the freedom in this country to choose what we want and to also be able to voice an opinion if we do not like something or have a different/better idea and want those interested to read it!

I think maybe the post before this one where you wer perplexed about all 11 pages... Some folks may have taken that as being facetious and felt as though they were being called "stupid" for spending that kind of money?

Me? I think it's funny when we (me included) balk or poke fun about the money we "saved" on upgrades to a $35,000.00 bike that is way over priced and shouldn't need these upgrades to begin with.

Don't forget....I said me included everyone.

Pile on!  

[Glenncarp]

Might be much cheaper, and I have the same bulbs in my SERG, but pitting HID bulbs in the stock reflectors results in the light scattering everywhere. How often do you get flashed (high beams, not the "good" kind lol)? I get flashed fairly frequently, because even when cranked down to the lowest setting, the light still throws above the normal cutoff and in certain circumstances blinds oncoming traffic. Sure, great for you, but when the guy coming at you can't see and drifts across the center line, maybe not so much. That's why I'll gladly spend the money for the LED system that is designed to A) comply with the law and B) provide effective lighting. Looking cool and the lit HD are just a bonus.

I was originally annoyed that the HID's did not work on high beam. I have only been flashed once in the year I have been using them. I spoke to my audio shop and they told me that they could add high beams, they actually add HID bulbs that have little motors that move the beam up and down for high/low. I then realized that I do not need this as the low beams are bright enough and I am sure I would get flashed if I had the high beams. I am unsure of the reflector issue as I onlt am able to base my results on the crappy stock lights and the HID's maybe I am missing something better!

[Glenncarp]

I think maybe the post before this one where you wer perplexed about all 11 pages... Some folks may have taken that as being facetious and felt as though they were being called "stupid" for spending that kind of money?

Me? I think it's funny when we (me included) balk or poke fun about the money we "saved" on upgrades to a $35,000.00 bike that is way over priced and shouldn't need these upgrades to begin with.

Don't forget....I said me included everyone.

Pile on!  

No piling on, you make a fair point. It was not my idea to make any assertions about anyone customizing their ride as they see fit. That is what is awesome about this country and this forum. No offense was meant.

I spent $80 at the mall in a store called Teavana last week and I don't necessarily drink tea! Go figure!!!

[Rio]

No piling on, you make a fair point. It was not my idea to make any assertions about anyone customizing their ride as they see fit. That is what is awesome about this country and this forum. No offense was meant.

I spent $80 at the mall in a store called Teavana last week and I don't necessarily drink tea! Go figure!!!

Wow,

Now that's tough to beat
 

[bigmegina]

No piling on, you make a fair point. It was not my idea to make any assertions about anyone customizing their ride as they see fit. That is what is awesome about this country and this forum. No offense was meant.

I spent $80 at the mall in a store called Teavana last week and I don't necessarily drink tea! Go figure!!!


 Teavana?was she working in that store?

that sounds like a womans sexy name.if you spent $80 on that you got a deal.LOL

[Skuff]

I recently had them installed on my CVO Road Glide, This was the best purchase I have made for my bike

[bigmegina]

if you like them that is all that matters.