Topic: Woods 888 cam (Read 23146 times)

cvo1717 · « **on:** November 08, 2012, 06:19:51 PM »

Has anyone tried the 888 cam yet?

Kingspoke · « **Reply #1 on:** November 08, 2012, 08:43:39 PM »

Quote from: cvo1717 on November 08, 2012, 06:19:51 PM

Has anyone tried the 888 cam yet?

Sounds like my type of cam based on the description. It will be interesting to see some dynos, but probably too soon.

HILLSIDECYCLE.COM · « **Reply #2 on:** November 09, 2012, 07:09:03 AM »

Quote from: cvo1717 on November 08, 2012, 06:19:51 PM

Has anyone tried the 888 cam yet?

"Tweaked" version of the 777.
No. We have not installed one as of yet.
Scott

cvo1717 · « **Reply #3 on:** December 21, 2012, 06:14:00 PM »

Nothing yet on this cam

HILLSIDECYCLE.COM · « **Reply #4 on:** December 22, 2012, 07:06:54 AM »

Not here.
Scott

Razorback · « **Reply #5 on:** December 22, 2012, 10:59:07 AM »

Here is one from a 107, it looks pretty damn impressive to me.

This guy is from WI, I would say his "locally ported" heads are doing pretty damn good.

cvo1717 · « **Reply #6 on:** December 22, 2012, 12:45:13 PM »

I was told this cam is even better with a little compression but if you change to a 30 tooth gear it would be the same as adding compression.what do you think?

Zinister · « **Reply #7 on:** January 02, 2013, 08:08:11 PM »

Looking at that curve I would bet this motor is already a 10.5 - 10.8 motor. No way he makes this power on stock compression.

I thought this curve would be further to the right based on 777 sheets. I wonder how a 103 with headwork and dragula pipe would do.

HILLSIDECYCLE.COM · « **Reply #8 on:** January 07, 2013, 06:34:04 PM »

Just had a client contact us Friday last week from Yulee, Fla.(where is Yulee??) that has our heads/107"/Wood 888/55HPI/RB pipe.
He alerted us that it went off at 121/124, on what he refered to as a "stingy" dyno at his local H-D store.
Scott

cvo1717 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 07, 2013, 09:34:44 PM »

Quote from: Hillsidecycle.com on January 07, 2013, 06:34:04 PM

Just had a client contact us Friday last week from Yulee, Fla.(where is Yulee??) that has our heads/107"/Wood 888/55HPI/RB pipe.
He alerted us that it went off at 121/124, on what he refered to as a "stingy" dyno at his local H-D store.
Scott

?
Stock pistions, what comp?

HILLSIDECYCLE.COM · « **Reply #10 on:** January 08, 2013, 09:44:50 PM »

Wiseco pistons.
Compression was 10.6.
Scott

WI Bob · « **Reply #11 on:** January 16, 2013, 05:35:13 PM »

The motor in post #5 is also 10.6

cvo1717 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 17, 2013, 08:07:38 PM »

How much less performance do you think this cam would have if it was installed with the stock comp.?

TorqueInc · « **Reply #13 on:** January 17, 2013, 10:08:55 PM »

Alot less,nowhere near enough compression stock to use this cam as a bolt in.

If you are intent on a bolt in from woods a 555 would be ok,5-6 or a 222

WI Bob · « **Reply #14 on:** January 17, 2013, 10:52:25 PM »

Quote from: TorqueInc on January 17, 2013, 10:08:55 PM

Alot less,nowhere near enough compression stock to use this cam as a bolt in.

If you are intent on a bolt in from woods a 555 would be ok,5-6 or a 222

+1

HILLSIDECYCLE.COM · « **Reply #15 on:** January 18, 2013, 06:24:30 AM »

Quote from: cvo1717 on January 17, 2013, 08:07:38 PM

How much less performance do you think this cam would have if it was installed with the stock comp.?

A ton.
If staying with the OE compression ratio,(9.2 cr) a Wood 555, wants MUCH more than that, to have the ability to be fully effective.(10.35 cr)
In the Wood line-up, the 222 would be a good choice.
Scott

prodrag1320 · « **Reply #16 on:** January 18, 2013, 09:18:17 AM »

we`ve got a bike coming in for a 107" build coming in next week,we`re trying the 888 cams.will post when tuned

cvo1717 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 18, 2013, 09:36:12 AM »

Any dyno numbers on the 222 wood cam?

paddockdrive · « **Reply #18 on:** January 18, 2013, 10:13:00 AM »

There is one on this topic link:

http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=78034.0

WI Bob · « **Reply #19 on:** January 18, 2013, 07:57:58 PM »

Quote from: cvo1717 on January 18, 2013, 09:36:12 AM

Any dyno numbers on the 222 wood cam?

There are a few in here; http://www.fuelmotousa.com/site/performance-cams.html

100HP · « **Reply #20 on:** January 19, 2013, 09:19:50 PM »

Am I missing something here guys. This is a 6th gear dyno read. HP and TQ are always higher if you use 6th..Lets see the 4th gear read...

HILLSIDECYCLE.COM · « **Reply #21 on:** January 20, 2013, 10:18:15 AM »

4th would not be what you'd want..........

prodrag1320 · « **Reply #22 on:** January 21, 2013, 08:48:08 AM »

when we had our dyno,we pulled in 5th

98fxstc · « **Reply #23 on:** January 21, 2013, 08:38:03 PM »

So , if you had a bike with a 5 speed gearbox , you would do your pull in 4th gear ?

HILLSIDECYCLE.COM · « **Reply #24 on:** January 22, 2013, 07:39:02 PM »

By rights, you should not be using the mechanical leverage of the gearbox in either direction.
1:1 ratio is where you should be.
Scott

Steve Cole · « **Reply #25 on:** January 22, 2013, 08:41:34 PM »

1:1 on a stock Hd gear box is high gear. So a 5 speed it would be 5th and 6 speed 6th. Due to the fact that the bikes will not run the MPH on the dyno typically most people drop back one gear to make the pulls.

100HP · « **Reply #26 on:** January 22, 2013, 09:40:04 PM »

Here is the explanation I got from a well experience Dyno Tech, Just for info.
"The deal with what gear to run was started in 4th gear when the evo's were around and stock, they could not pull 5th (1:1) gear, and the touring bikes would go faster in 4th than 5th.
When the TC came out with more torque, it could pull 5th. So 5th (1:1) was correct, until the 6 speed direct drive (1:1) came along.Now, if the engine has enough torque to pull the overall higher ratio but still in 1:1, that becomes the gear to use, however if the engine is bone stock, 6th is usually too tall for the same reason that the evo 5th was to tall. All tuners are doing is trying to tune using the gear with the least loss through the transmission, whether it's 5th or 6th. Which ever is the direct drive of 1:1. Power readings recorded in fifth gear are usually higher than those in fourth due to loss of power transfer in the gear box." Wood cams power readings are done in 6th.
Take it for what you want???

HILLSIDECYCLE.COM · « **Reply #27 on:** January 23, 2013, 11:32:44 AM »

I got all the dyno time I need, to have posted what I did, as we've had one since the mid-1990's.
My words were from experience, not a google search.
1:1 ratio is the method we use, and that is what Dynojet actually trained us to use as well.........about 17 years ago.

Scott

98fxstc · « **Reply #28 on:** January 23, 2013, 04:55:05 PM »

OK

I've got the picture .

If you want a dyno sheet you can use for comparison then 1:1 is the standard in the same way that SAE is used so that we are comparing apples to apples .
So usually 5th gear in 5 speed , 6th speed in 6 speed unless its overdrive and then 5th speed.

If you were doing a dyno for tuning purposes only and not comparison then you might want a bit more leverage to look at the profile ?

HILLSIDECYCLE.COM · « **Reply #29 on:** January 23, 2013, 07:23:46 PM »

Usually results in a "spark count" of between 43-47, generally.
Scott

Razorback · « **Reply #30 on:** January 24, 2013, 11:32:54 PM »

A good dyno tuner will use every gear before he is finished, 1 to 1 for final pulls.

HD8 · « **Reply #31 on:** January 25, 2013, 11:48:35 PM »

Quote from: HILLSIDECYCLE.COM on January 07, 2013, 06:34:04 PM

Just had a client contact us Friday last week from Yulee, Fla.(where is Yulee??) that has our heads/107"/Wood 888/55HPI/RB pipe.
He alerted us that it went off at 121/124, on what he refered to as a "stingy" dyno at his local H-D store.
Scott

Scott

This would be my ride you're referring to, and yes a 5th gear run on a stingy dyno is correct. But whats with the Yulee Fla?? check your paperwork, it's Sarasota Fl...no biggie. Thanks again for killer headwork and timely service! For anyone out there wondering, this is an unbelievable combo for a 107ci and as we all know Scott and Hillside are TOP NOTCH! THANKS!!

HILLSIDECYCLE.COM · « **Reply #32 on:** January 26, 2013, 03:11:47 PM »

Quote from: HD8 on January 25, 2013, 11:48:35 PM

Scott

This would be my ride you're referring to, and yes a 5th gear run on a stingy dyno is correct. But whats with the Yulee Fla?? check your paperwork, it's Sarasota Fl...no biggie. Thanks again for killer headwork and timely service! For anyone out there wondering, this is an unbelievable combo for a 107ci and as we all know Scott and Hillside are TOP NOTCH! THANKS!!

Yep,
Just sent a job to Yulee, that Doc tuned, and just can't keep track of all the locations that we ship to.

It was a pleasure to do that work for you, David.

Scott

HILLSIDECYCLE.COM · « **Reply #33 on:** January 26, 2013, 10:26:06 PM »

Quote from: HD8 on January 25, 2013, 11:48:35 PM

Scott

This would be my ride you're referring to, and yes a 5th gear run on a stingy dyno is correct. But whats with the Yulee Fla?? check your paperwork, it's Sarasota Fl...no biggie. Thanks again for killer headwork and timely service! For anyone out there wondering, this is an unbelievable combo for a 107ci and as we all know Scott and Hillside are TOP NOTCH! THANKS!!

David,
So your bike was tuned in 5th gear, being a 6 speed, and it still pushed off 121/124, sae?
I'd say there is more in that, that has yet to be exposed.

Very curious as to the actual power of that engine, if in fact the correct, 6th gear, was used?
Scott

HD8 · « **Reply #34 on:** January 27, 2013, 09:43:44 AM »

Quote from: HILLSIDECYCLE.COM on January 26, 2013, 10:26:06 PM

David,
So your bike was tuned in 5th gear, being a 6 speed, and it still pushed off 121/124, sae?
I'd say there is more in that, that has yet to be exposed.
Very curious as to the actual power of that engine, if in fact the correct, 6th gear, was used?
Scott

Scott
Good point, and as you may know some HD shops can be set on there way of running the dyno. Without being too demanding I had to request even a 5th gear pull as they just hit it in 4th usually, the 6th would have come off even better but maybe there's a top speed issue on that dyno who knows? Had to struggle with service mgr to have my A/F ratio set where i wanted it too, (they go WOT@ 13.8..too lean for my taste), went with 13-13.2. So after all that when the sheet came out in STD when cashing out I didn't have the heart to request the SAE. Anyhow I figure the SAE reading in 6th is probably right around the numbers posted above. You know this 107 came only 2-3 points away from there top prize 120R fully built out motor dyno pulls. So I would say KUDOS for our build! May get it on another dyno eventually to pull it in 6th with SAE correction, but like I've said this particular dyno has read 4-5 points lower than another I used testing the exact same combo on my other ride. Maybe I'll take a joy ride out to Doc's soon for a few pulls and let the dyno experi :bananarock:ment continue...

normf · « **Reply #35 on:** February 06, 2013, 11:14:18 PM »

Anyone else install this cam? I am considering a build with the TW-888. Thanks!

cvo1717 · « **Reply #36 on:** February 17, 2013, 06:24:21 PM »

Will the 888 out perform the 777 if the heads were mill and cc ed to bump the comp.

HILLSIDECYCLE.COM · « **Reply #37 on:** February 18, 2013, 08:00:53 AM »

It will show more, yes.
Scott

Supershooter · « **Reply #38 on:** February 18, 2013, 07:45:29 PM »

Quote from: cvo1717 on January 18, 2013, 09:36:12 AM

Any dyno numbers on the 222 wood cam?

This is my 2010 SEUC with a Heavy Breather, SESPT, Reinhart True Duals and Mufflers, and 222's. I'm not real excited with the Dyno results, so I'll have to wait until warmer weather to see if the bike performs better than the Dyno Sheet. Dealer said that they tuned the bike with 10% load, to simulate a more real riding condition.

Supershooter

HILLSIDECYCLE.COM · « **Reply #39 on:** February 19, 2013, 06:56:40 AM »

Quote from: Supershooter on February 18, 2013, 07:45:29 PM

This is my 2010 SEUC with a Heavy Breather, SESPT, Reinhart True Duals and Mufflers, and 222's. I'm not real excited with the Dyno results, so I'll have to wait until warmer weather to see if the bike performs better than the Dyno Sheet. Dealer said that they tuned the bike with 10% load, to simulate a more real riding condition.

Supershooter

I know that Okoboji Harley-Davidson, has a good dyno man.
Might want to give those folks a call?
Scott

Doc 1 · « **Reply #40 on:** February 19, 2013, 08:01:52 AM »

Quote from: HILLSIDECYCLE.COM on February 19, 2013, 06:56:40 AM

I know that Okoboji Harley-Davidson, has a good dyno man.
Might want to give those folks a call?
Scott

Christian at Okoboji and Beaver at Ernies Harley Davidson are two good tuners for you.
Doc

HILLSIDECYCLE.COM · « **Reply #41 on:** February 19, 2013, 05:12:23 PM »

Heard tell, they were trained by a very knowledgeable man......

Scott

Supershooter · « **Reply #42 on:** February 20, 2013, 05:03:41 PM »

I've heard the the boys have been trained by a good teacher. My concerns are how much experience they have and the fact that they have been trained on a TTS not a SE tuner. I live 50 miles from the Okoboji shop and 80 miles from the Algona shop and am familiar with one of the boys you speak of. I want to make sure the next time I spend money, I'm satisfied with the results.

Supershooter

HILLSIDECYCLE.COM · « **Reply #43 on:** February 21, 2013, 06:56:33 AM »

Their goal over there is client satisfaction, from what we know.
Scott

Doc 1 · « **Reply #44 on:** February 21, 2013, 09:56:40 AM »

I can vouch for Christians passion to do your bike correctly.....if he would run into something that was a stumper he would be sure to contact me like he has in the past. You won't find anyone better in your area and thats for sure.
Doc

uffda · « **Reply #45 on:** March 11, 2013, 10:17:28 PM »

I know the Red Shift 575 is a great drop in cam. They say Wood's 777 & TMan 555 are as well. Wouldn't the 888 be similar to these cams? Just wondering..

HD8 · « **Reply #46 on:** March 12, 2013, 08:51:14 PM »

The 888 being a drop in under OE springs perhaps, however with the added overlap and intake close the stock comp is a far cry from sufficient to take advantage of these cams specs. More so than the other cams mentioned.

HILLSIDECYCLE.COM · « **Reply #47 on:** March 12, 2013, 09:47:00 PM »

Quote from: HD8 on March 12, 2013, 08:51:14 PM

The 888 being a drop in under OE springs perhaps, however with the added overlap and intake close the stock comp is a far cry from sufficient to take advantage of these cams specs. More so than the other cams mentioned.

Well said.
Scott

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