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[Dobeman2000]

Started doing some research in this area since I just got some Rush slip ons.  Know I "should" be able to run them without any problem since they are just slip ons, but I don't want an popping on decelleration and I know that can happen.  So, my first stop was the Powercommander V.  Bought one of these from FuelMoto for my 05 Deluxe I had a few years ago and it worked great.  Jamie at FuelMoto said they will not be selling the Powercommander V for the Breakout due to the limited amount of space available, so if I went with a Dynojet product it would have to be the Power Vision which costs significantly more- nothing is permanantly attached-it flashes the ECM directly.  So, are any of the "modules" going to fit with the limited area with the Breakout?  I know Zo6_Pilot got the Cobra system.  The very expensive Thundermax unit would work I guess because it totally replaces the ECM, but that is about $1000 new.  So, I am really at a loss as to what will fit.  I am probably just going to have my dealer to a flash to update the ECM (don't know how much that costs).  What are the rest of you planning on?

[Nicky Pass]

I used the Power Vision with my Street Glide and it was easy as can be.  AND....with Fuel Moto, they give you lifetime support.....thats hard to beat!

[Z06_Pilot]

Dobeman,

you bring up an interesting issue.....fitment of the control module.  I assume you have pulled your seat by now....WOW, I'm not sure there is room under there for a postage stamp!  my control module is very small, but I'm still going to have to get very creative to get the unit to fit down in there somewhere !!

[Dobeman2000]

Yeah, I pulled it off and it is obviously small, but I still think a PCV would fit in there somehow- i think the wiring is more of an issue than the unit itself.  But if anyone out there has done any of this let us know how you have fared.

Dobeman,

you bring up an interesting issue.....fitment of the control module.  I assume you have pulled your seat by now....WOW, I'm not sure there is room under there for a postage stamp!  my control module is very small, but I'm still going to have to get very creative to get the unit to fit down in there somewhere !!

[grc]

Be careful when trying to shoehorn a module into a too small space.  Pressure on the case of the module, or the connectors, could cause a failure.  You also need room to dissipate heat.  Mounting something like a PCV or other add-on device that won't fit in the normal location might still be possible if you can find a remote location where it will fit and then come up with a wire harness extension (I imagine it would have to be made up custom).  Sounds like more work than it is likely to be worth.

This issue is another good argument for using one of the VCI units (TTS, SEPST, PV, etc) to change the map in the actual ECM versus using an add-on box.  Even the touring models are running out of room these days what with all the other crap stuffed under the seat and side covers.

Jerry

[cbdeluxe]

I am thinking of using the HD tuner, that way there is nothing to install. Is there any reason
why nobody else is considering this option?

[dlaws01]

Jerry has a very good point.  Why try to stuff some module under the seat when you don't have to.  Just make sure that whoever does the tune is experienced and familiar with which unit you decide to go with.  Unless you are doing other bigger engine mods, i.e. cams, pistons, etc., it should be fairly straight forward as you can only expect to squeeze out so much from just an ECM remap. JMHO.

[Dobeman2000]

this is probably what I am going to go with- going to talk to my local indy guy and see what he suggests.

I am thinking of using the HD tuner, that way there is nothing to install. Is there any reason
why nobody else is considering this option?

[Dobeman2000]

Looking at the TTS Mastertune- do the 2013 CVO's use Delphi ECM's?  If not then I

[Dobeman2000]

Looking at the TTS Mastertune- do the 2013 CVO's use Delphi ECM's?  If not then I guess I would have to go a different direction, since TTS units apparently only work with Delphi ECM's.

[Midnight Rider]

Yes, all HD bikes since '02 use Delphi ECM's.

My personal preference, in order, would be:

1.)  TTS Mastertune w/Cables
2.)  SEPRT  (NOT the street legal version...the Pro Tuner)

The TTS has more functionality, and is becoming a tuning device that many independent shops use.  The best advice I can give you is to first find a good tuner in your area, and find out which tuning device they prefer using.  If you will ask here on the site, someone will likely be able to recommend a good shop in your area that uses either of those devices (again, my preference being the TTS).  I personally am not a proponent of devices that piggyback, or that replace the ECM.  IMO, it is better to change the program in the stock ECM.  With the TTS, you can save a copy of the stock program so that you can always go back to it should the need arise.  Replacement ECM's give HD a really good excuse to deny warranty coverage.  It would be like buying a new computer from Dell, changing the motherboard out, then expect them to warranty the computer.

If it was me, I'd replace the entire exhaust system, then get a good tune and just ride it.  The difference over stock will be significant.

Technically, you might not need any tuner at all with just slip on mufflers.  However, even a stock bike can benefit from a good tune.

[Midnight Rider]

PS:  I see you live in Illinois.  I'm sure that someone here can recommend a good shop to get your bike properly tuned.

Be mindful of the fact that just because your local HD dealer has a Dyno does NOT mean they have anyone properly trained to use it.

Here is a list of TTS dealers:  http://www.mastertune.net/dealers.htm

There are several in your area.  Do some checking around and find out which shop has well trained people.

[Dobeman2000]

Thanks for the info.- nobody "close" to me (100 miles or so).  Going to call my local Indy guy.

PS:  I see you live in Illinois.  I'm sure that someone here can recommend a good shop to get your bike properly tuned.

Be mindful of the fact that just because your local HD dealer has a Dyno does NOT mean they have anyone properly trained to use it.

Here is a list of TTS dealers:  http://www.mastertune.net/dealers.htm

There are several in your area.  Do some checking around and find out which shop has well trained people.

[Z06_Pilot]

Jerry has a very good point.  Why try to stuff some module under the seat when you don't have to. 

so that you don't have to do a tune......

[skratch]

Yes, all HD bikes since '02 use Delphi ECM's.

My personal preference, in order, would be:

1.)  TTS Mastertune w/Cables
2.)  SEPRT  (NOT the street legal version...the Pro Tuner)

any reason why you left off the dynojet powervision?  it is not a piggyback module, and gives the enduser a lot of flexibility.  you can leave the unit hooked up and custom display a gauge package to monitor if you so choose.  it gives you the ability to pull and clear error codes, and it also has a basic autotune that requires no additional parts, or you can go pro with the autotune module.