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[Midnight Rider]

I'm not familiar with it for one reason, so can't comment one way or the other.

[Z06_Pilot]

any reason why you left off the dynojet powervision?  it is not a piggyback module, and gives the enduser a lot of flexibility.  you can leave the unit hooked up and custom display a gauge package to monitor if you so choose.  it gives you the ability to pull and clear error codes, and it also has a basic autotune that requires no additional parts, or you can go pro with the autotune module.

To Ekim and others that mentioned the Power Vision.  I have never really looked into it since I assumed(incorrectly) that you had to use windows software and a laptop and track graphs, etc, to get a tune working properly on the bike.

I stand corrected in this regard and I really appreciate you folks mentioning it.  This looks very interesting to me.  i think I might be trying both the Cobra(since I already have it), and the Power Vision...what I like about it(some of this has already been mentioned):

1. no laptop or blasted Windows software needed to load a map onto the bike's ECU. 
2. You can bring down a canned load from DynaJet and load it onto the PV2 unit then right into the bike's ECU
3. it maintains a copy of the vanilla HD ECU load.  That way, for maintenance/warranty purposes, I can always revert back to factory if needed.
4. nothing to attach to the bike except a single cable from the handlebar module to the ECU
5. They have a autotune basic(comes standard with the unit) or Pro option(adds module and wide-band O2's) if I choose to have the unit autotune using stock narrow-band O2's
6. I don't have to find a place under the seat to mount a module as I would have to do with the Cobra...I can load the ECU and remove the connector if I choose to.

Finally, thanks for the tip on Fuel Moto.  I have heard good things about them.  I am going to order the PV2 from them.

Again, thanks a lot for bringing this unit to my attention.

[miker]

Put the cans on it and ride it, let the O2 sensors do their thing....

[Dobeman2000]

I would like to do this and probably will intially- but guessing that I will get quite a bit of popping on decceleration (wife's screamin eagle slip ons have a bit-not a big deal, but I don't like it either.  And on my bike I know I won't tolerate it.  So, will give it a try and see what happens.

Put the cans on it and ride it, let the O2 sensors do their thing....

[miker]

It may take a while for the ecm to return to stoch...make sure they are on snug, no leaky.

[Nicky Pass]

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It literally takes 2 minutes start to finish. Jamie from Fuel Moto is a genius when it comes to tuning!  If you are in Il, close to Chicago....Jim Egizio at Illinois Harley is a very good tuner using the SERT.

[Z06_Pilot]

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It literally takes 2 minutes start to finish. Jamie from Fuel Moto is a genius when it comes to tuning!  If you are in Il, close to Chicago....Jim Egizio at Illinois Harley is a very good tuner using the SERT.

I'm sold!  Also, I see that Fuel Moto is offering $150 trade-in on a fueler.  I can trade-in my POS  TV-3 auto tuner that I tried a year or so ago on my V-Rod, bringing the price of the Power Vision to $399....I'm really sold now 

[Nicky Pass]

I'm sold!  Also, I see that Fuel Moto is offering $150 trade-in on a fueler.  I can trade-in my POS  TV-3 auto tuner that I tried a year or so ago on my V-Rod, bringing the price of the Power Vision to $399....I'm really sold now 

Jamie's map will probably be with 90-95% perfect.

[Dobeman2000]

I looked at the power vision quickly-$499!!  Can it tune a number of bikes, or is it "married" to one ECM-it appears that it can tune any bike?  Also, talked to my local Indy guy and he said they just mount the PCV behind the fender- have done it many times and no problems- I didn't dicuss it with him, but what about the unit getting wet? 

[Nicky Pass]

I believe there was supposed to be a $100 "2nd bike code".  If you are looking for ease, you can't beat the Power Vision.  It is also a diagnostic code reader, and there is supposed to be update where you can tune on the fly also....

[grc]

The following was copied from the PC website FAQ:
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How many motorcycles can I use the Power Vision on?

 The Power Vision will only be able to tune one motorcycle (flash it as many times as you like). It can be connected to other motorcycles to monitor / log data, check and clear DTC’s (diagnostic trouble codes), and reset adaptive learning.
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Jerry
 

[Z06_Pilot]

I looked at the power vision quickly-$499!!  Can it tune a number of bikes, or is it "married" to one ECM-it appears that it can tune any bike?  Also, talked to my local Indy guy and he said they just mount the PCV behind the fender- have done it many times and no problems- I didn't dicuss it with him, but what about the unit getting wet? 

You can find it cheaper than $499 at Dennis Kirk.  Regarding moisture.  It's sealed to be moisture resistent.  They explained to me, it would be fine if you are caught in the rain coming home, but don't wash your bike with it on.  Remember, the Power Vision module is actually a display, so I wouldn't think you would try to stow it somewhere on the bike.  Just remove it if you are not interested in mounting in on the handlebars, I would think.

Also, I'm not sure about it being married to a single bike.  I know the HD SERT is(or it was when I was looking at them about 3 years ago).

I have been conversing with both Fuel Moto and Dyna Jet today, and wow, are they helpful!!  Been giving me loads of information.  I sent my old TV-3 fueler today to Fuel Moto and as soon as they post my $150 credit for the trade-in, I will be buying the Power Vision...no if's ands or but's about it...

The user reviews I have found online from several sources are glowing about the product, and more importantly to me, the support...

[skratch]

I looked at the power vision quickly-$499!!  Can it tune a number of bikes, or is it "married" to one ECM-it appears that it can tune any bike?  Also, talked to my local Indy guy and he said they just mount the PCV behind the fender- have done it many times and no problems- I didn't dicuss it with him, but what about the unit getting wet?  

I believe there was supposed to be a $100 "2nd bike code".  If you are looking for ease, you can't beat the Power Vision.  It is also a diagnostic code reader, and there is supposed to be update where you can tune on the fly also....

the powervision is like the sert in that it is married to your bike.  unlike the sert, however, you can get additional licenses to tune multiple bikes.  they are $199 each from dynojet.  the powervision will allow you to switch between the 2 licenses 'on the fly', but if you do have a third bike, you would have to switch to it's license via computer.  so if you're on the road, 2 bikes would be able to be tuned, but not a third (or more).  however, any one of the bikes would be able to use the powervision as a gauge set or code reader.  even a bike that does not have a license.  a lot like to obdII scanners you buy from autozone.  you just won't be able to flash a tune to all the bikes.  but i wouldn't be doing that while on the road anyway.

and yes, it can be found cheaper elsewhere.  but part of what you are paying for is the great support you'll get from fuelmoto.  try to get a map from dennis kirk.....  yes, dynojet does have some canned maps, but the fuelmoto maps are developed in house and proven on the dyno.  thats gotta be worth a few bucks.

[Dobeman2000]

 A lot of good info. here- I will probably go with either a PCV mounted behind the fender or a powervision.  As many of you have said, I know Fuel Moto has a great reputation for customer service.  When I had my PCV on my 05 Deluxe they were very helpful and that bike ran without a hiccup for the 3 years I had it.  The powervision is just significantly more $, and I am a set it and forget it person when it comes to something like this.  Although I guess I could adjust it easily if the system needed some fine tuning.  I'll keep reading and thinking.  I also know I can use a SERT, but I don't like having to go to the dealer unless I absolutely have to- get raped on labor, might as well get the powervision instead of a SERT.

UPDATE:  Spoke with Dynojet about the Power Vision for the Breakout- the rep I dealt with said there are no current maps for it, but if one of us gets the stock calibration and sends it in to them with the components we have added then they can provide a map for it, and then we use the unit to "fine tune" from there.  I am nervous about the fine tuning part, but that is hopefully where Jamie at FuelMoto will help out and let me know what I have to do in order to make things right, or maybe the map itself they provide will be good enough.  All those tables and charts scare me.

[Robin Keegan]

"Spoke with Dynojet about the Power Vision for the Breakout- the rep I dealt with said there are no current maps for it, but if one of us gets the stock calibration and sends it in to them with the components we have added then they can provide a map for it, and then we use the unit to "fine tune" from there."

I'm a bit surprised by this comment.  Whilst they may not have heard of a 'Breakout' before, the engine is a Screamin Eagle 110 unit which has been around for quite a while now so I would think that maps are available?

Just for interest, the ECM on my 2011 CVO Softail Convertible was remapped using a HD Supertuner at a specialist shop using a dyno resulting in an 18% increase in horse power and a 27% increase in torque over the standard factory fit.