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[Tirpitz]

Did you notice the New SCREAMIN' EAGLE® MANUAL PRIMARY CHAIN TENSION
ADJUSTER on page 11?

[FLSTFI Dave]

Down loading it as I type.  Thanks for the link.

[Willie D]

still worked this morning 

WD

[Buy early]

Worked for me. Thanks!

[Soot]

Not to sound negative again.....at least in the U.S. version of the P& A catalogue, you get the Msrp listed. Up here in Canuckville - Deeley makes damn sure that prices are not included in the publication. That really blows!!   

[timo482]

i saw the manual adjuster - but it sure looks like the only way to adjust it is to take the primary cover off.... that would suck

the only primary made for a 07 that allows access to the center is the baker

to

[harley56]

Makes me wonder why the dealer acts like they are giving away the store when they have a 20% off sale.

If a dealer has a 20% off sale on stuff that has a 50% markup they are giving up 60% of their profit.
Example:  If cost is $100 then 50% markup has retail at $150.  20% off sale brings price down to $120 and they are giving up 60% of their profit. 
What was a 50% markup is now a 20% markup, or from the retail side, what had a 33% gross profit margin now has a 16.66% margin.  Those margins will not cover the overhead.

[Fired00d]

If a dealer has a 20% off sale on stuff that has a 50% markup they are giving up 60% of their profit.
Example:  If cost is $100 then 50% markup has retail at $150.  20% off sale brings price down to $120 and they are giving up 60% of their profit. 
What was a 50% markup is now a 20% markup, or from the retail side, what had a 33% gross profit margin now has a 16.66% margin.  Those margins will not cover the overhead.

Isn't the intent/belief that the 20% off sales will increase the volume of sales which would adjust the profit margin along with the increased volume of customers on those days I would think there has to be some benefit? I know for me when there are those types of sales I tend to purchase higher ticket/cost items along with purchasing more items.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[Twolanerider]

Isn't the intent/belief that the 20% off sales will increase the volume of sales which would adjust the profit margin along with the increased volume of customers on those days I would think there has to be some benefit? I know for me when there are those types of sales I tend to purchase higher ticket/cost items along with purchasing more items.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

Increasing volume doesn't change the margin of profit on sales.  Increasing the volume of sales at a lower margin might make up for the net lost due to a lower margin being caused by a discount.  In the end, however, that only means you're working more and spending more to make the same (you hope).  Whether that's all fair or not is, of course, a seperate question whose answer will often vary depending on if you're the buyer or the seller.

[harley56]

Isn't the intent/belief that the 20% off sales will increase the volume of sales which would adjust the profit margin along with the increased volume of customers on those days I would think there has to be some benefit? I know for me when there are those types of sales I tend to purchase higher ticket/cost items along with purchasing more items.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

You are 100% correct, the intent is to increase the volume of sales and I, like you, tend to purchase more when discounts are offered.  However, at these margins a dealer would need to sell 2.5x as much product with a 20% discount vs selling at Harley's suggested retail to realize the same profit.  And, as twolanerider said, you're working more and spending more to make the same (you hope)

[Fired00d]

Increasing volume doesn't change the margin of profit on sales.  Increasing the volume of sales at a lower margin might make up for the net lost due to a lower margin being caused by a discount.  In the end, however, that only means you're working more and spending more to make the same (you hope).  Whether that's all fair or not is, of course, a seperate question whose answer will often vary depending on if you're the buyer or the seller.

Maybe profit margin was the wrong wording.... what I'm thinking is if on a normal Saturday you average 10K in sales on P&A/Motorclothes and you have a 20% off sale on a given Saturday and you average 30K in sales due to the increase volume of customers/sales wouldn't it be advantageous for the dealer as it is for the customer? Yes, the amount of profit per item/sale is lower but the amount of profit for the day is higher. Yes, there may be more work (increased staff/etc) but in the end it would seem there is still a higher profit for that sale day over a regular day.

Hell sometimes you eat steak... sometimes you eat bologna and cheese... in the end both serve the same purpose... they keep away the "missed-meal cramps". One day you make 33% gross profit one day you make 16% gross profit but those days you make that 16% you are building your customer base and that's got to be a good thing.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[harley56]

Maybe profit margin was the wrong wording.... what I'm thinking is if on a normal Saturday you average 10K in sales on P&A/Motorclothes and you have a 20% off sale on a given Saturday and you average 30K in sales due to the increase volume of customers/sales wouldn't it be advantageous for the dealer as it is for the customer? Yes, the amount of profit per item/sale is lower but the amount of profit for the day is higher. Yes, there may be more work (increased staff/etc) but in the end it would seem there is still a higher profit for that sale day over a regular day.

Hell sometimes you eat steak... sometimes you eat bologna and cheese... in the end both serve the same purpose... they keep away the "missed-meal cramps". One day you make 33% gross profit one day you make 16% gross profit but those days you make that 16% you are building your customer base and that's got to be a good thing.

 


Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

I agree totally, however, at a Harley dealership that sells $10K on a Saturday, a 20% off sale usually results in about a $15K Saturday.  Still can be worthwhile for building your customer base and dealership reputation.   

[Twolanerider]

Maybe profit margin was the wrong wording.... what I'm thinking is if on a normal Saturday you average 10K in sales on P&A/Motorclothes and you have a 20% off sale on a given Saturday and you average 30K in sales due to the increase volume of customers/sales wouldn't it be advantageous for the dealer as it is for the customer? Yes, the amount of profit per item/sale is lower but the amount of profit for the day is higher. Yes, there may be more work (increased staff/etc) but in the end it would seem there is still a higher profit for that sale day over a regular day.

Hell sometimes you eat steak... sometimes you eat bologna and cheese... in the end both serve the same purpose... they keep away the "missed-meal cramps". One day you make 33% gross profit one day you make 16% gross profit but those days you make that 16% you are building your customer base and that's got to be a good thing.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

Sure Dood.  That's it.  The store would always prefer to meet its desired goals for net while hiring less staff and spending less for inventory.  The buyer would always prefer to buy for a lower gross and have plenty of staff on hand to help as he needs it.  It's the smart vendor who realizes that while he might do the former some of the time (even enough of the time) he's better off overall to sometimes entice his audience with the latter and do them a solid at the same time.  A happy audience is a returning audience.

A danger for some industries has been too much reliance on the latter (even if of need).  The pre-bailout automakers who couldn't move enough cars without too expensive incentives being but one example.

[Fired00d]

I agree totally, however, at a Harley dealership that sells $10K on a Saturday, a 20% off sale usually results in about a $15K Saturday.  Still can be worthwhile for building your customer base and dealership reputation.   

Thanks. I knew there had to be something worthwhile (even if it's not as much profit margin as a regular day) for the dealer otherwise they wouldn't be having events/sales.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[Fired00d]

Sure Dood.  That's it.  The store would always prefer to meet its desired goals for net while hiring less staff and spending less for inventory.  The buyer would always prefer to buy for a lower gross and have plenty of staff on hand to help as he needs it.  It's the smart vendor who realizes that while he might do the former some of the time (even enough of the time) he's better off overall to sometimes entice his audience with the latter and do them a solid at the same time.  A happy audience is a returning audience.

A danger for some industries has been too much reliance on the latter (even if of need).  The pre-bailout automakers who couldn't move enough cars without too expensive incentives being but one example.

True... there is a thin line between profit and loss. However a little bit of profit beats the hell out of a loss any day (granted you can't have consistent/daily days of small profits before you will go under by not meeting the overhead).

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d