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Re: Air pressure in tires, whats the consensus? 1 up & 2 up riding
« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2013, 03:37:17 PM »

Maybe I'm not doing this right  :nixweiss: but I looked on the tire sidewall and it states 41 on the front and 42 on the back so I keep them at that pressure.
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Re: Air pressure in tires, whats the consensus? 1 up & 2 up riding
« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2013, 03:53:52 PM »

Maybe I'm not doing this right  :nixweiss: but I looked on the tire sidewall and it states 41 on the front and 42 on the back so I keep them at that pressure.

The numbers on the sidewall are the MAXIMUM cold inflation pressures as determined by the tire manufacturer.  The inflation pressures listed in the owners manual are the recommended MINIMUM cold inflation pressures as determined by the vehicle manufacturer.  As long as you are in the range between the minimum and the maximum, you should be fine.

Running the front at 41 rather than the Harley recommended 36 will probably give you a slightly harsher ride. 

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Re: Air pressure in tires, whats the consensus? 1 up & 2 up riding
« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2013, 03:55:20 PM »

Maybe I'm not doing this right  :nixweiss: but I looked on the tire sidewall and it states 41 on the front and 42 on the back so I keep them at that pressure.

It's always best to follow the manufacturers recommended air pressures.  What's listed on the sidewall is the maximum recommended pressures.  There or a couple pounds lower is just about right.  I think you're doing fine...   :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: Air pressure in tires, whats the consensus? 1 up & 2 up riding
« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2013, 06:58:54 PM »

I attended a fascinating tire seminar by an expert engineer at Road Rider. This is what I learned (long):

Who: Ron Bowen is a veteran in the motorcycling industry. He has worked for both Bridgestone and Dunlop, and now currently travels the country as Parts Unlimited's Brand Manager for both Pirelli and Metzeler. He has been in this role for over ten years. He was a vehicle dynamics engineer for motorcycles and cars for about 18 year prior to Parts Unlimited. He has visited 49 tire factories globally and works with 73 reps in his huge area of responsibility.

First thing: Do NOT run car tires. Diameter is ever so slightly different, mounting different. 2 Technicians were almost killed testing them. The tires will spin on the rim under hard acceleration. . That video someone likes to post of the testing of the car tire under extreme loads? That video is only relevant if it’s mounted on a motorcycle rim.

The cost differential in MC vs. car tires is due to construction, and the fact that MC tires are sold as a very small fraction of car tires. That video someone likes to post of the testing of the car tire under extreme loads? That video is only relevant if it’s mounted on a motorcycle rim.

Speed ratings are based on a sustained 15 minutes at the rated speed.

Mixing brands/models of tires is not recommended due to different properties of 3 materials used: rayon, polyester and nylon

Age – 3-4 year old tires are absolutely fine. He gave an example of a Carlos Checa on 3 year old tires setting lap records. And motorcycle race tires get cold cycled on airplanes vs. street tires shipped to distributors. Tires older than 10 years old should be replaced. In other words, if your date code on your new tires is several years old, it’s a non-issue. The date coding was standardized in 2002 or so.

Tires need about 100 miles to mechanically abrade the mold release oil off the tread. It’s not an added substance; it’s just the oils that occur during the mold process from the tire itself.

When a bike is loaded: Every 1lb of under inflation = a 10 degree increase in internal temperatures. Said it’s possible to approach failure temperatures if severely underinflated. Radial tires are actually worse than bias ply for low pressure flex. The air is the heat sink, not the tread.

For ALL bikes except track day sportbikes should run MAX PSI at all times, front AND rear. He said this will optimize wear & handling. Once you replace the tires, use the max PSI on their sidewalls, no longer the bike manufacturer recommended pressure.

(He did later tell me that the guy said to run OEM tires at the bike manufacturers recommended pressure) So it's a toss up if you ask me. But sounds like they should be at Harley's MAX if nothing else.

Speaking of tire inflation, his favorite gauge is Accu-gage. It’s a dial type, and I bought one that night for $22.95 and the beauty is it has a 90-degree head for taking pressure readings under the saddlebags and rotors. Interestingly the only dial type tested with a high rating by Consumer Reports was Intercomp for $56.

Nitrogen in tires – this surprised me. He stated it was the elimination of moisture that was the advantage and hence heat management, and using it could realize a 10% increase in tire life.

Chemical grip is improving which translates to higher mileage obtained. He said 30,000 mile motorcycle tires are coming, if not now out already.

For cleaning wheels and tires, he likes Bike Brite.

It was fascinating, the guy was a wealth of information.
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Re: Air pressure in tires, whats the consensus? 1 up & 2 up riding
« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2013, 08:48:08 PM »

Solo or 2-up loaded with Viv's clothes I use 39/39 cold and this is measured with my HD pressure gauge.....which I believe to be just as accurate as the speedometer......  :-\
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Re: Air pressure in tires, whats the consensus? 1 up & 2 up riding
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2013, 10:31:00 PM »

Mr. Bowen apparently isn't as smart as he thinks he is.  It's terrible advice to run all motorcycle tires at max rated pressure.  The same brand and size tire can be used on bikes that have weight disparities of hundreds of pounds, and rider and luggage weights can vary widely.
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Re: Air pressure in tires, whats the consensus? 1 up & 2 up riding
« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2013, 08:42:30 AM »

Mr. Bowen apparently isn't as smart as he thinks he is.  It's terrible advice to run all motorcycle tires at max rated pressure.  The same brand and size tire can be used on bikes that have weight disparities of hundreds of pounds, and rider and luggage weights can vary widely.

My thoughts exactly.  Anyone these days can pass themselves off as an expert and proceed to hand out bogus "one size fits all" advice.  Just because someone claims to be an expert doesn't mean you should blindly believe everything he says, especially when they veer into opinion versus proven fact.

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Re: Air pressure in tires, whats the consensus? 1 up & 2 up riding
« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2013, 08:46:02 AM »

Dunlop 38/40, Metzeler 40/44

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