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[FLHTCUSE7]

Midnight Sunday!

[Fired00d]

 

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[FLHTCUSE7]

Harley-Davidsons big news for 2014. Should be up on their website as far as teasers go today.

[FLHTCUSE7]

Here it is

http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/projectrushmore/index.html#rushmoreVideo/1

[naitram]

that tell us absolutely nothing

[FLHTCUSE7]

That's probably the intention,,,, it tells you when it will be revealed but that's about it. 

[VaEagle]

Same kind of teasing that Indian did months before the reveal in full of their new bikes........
Their advertising folks must have gone to the same seminar on product reveals.   

Does remind me of the old car ads decades ago when there was suspense over the new cars, that was when they actually changed shapes and features from year to year though. 

[110tHunDer]

that tell us absolutely nothing

The counter is kinda cool.

[SBB]

The counter is kinda cool.

I agree Brian.
Maybe I can get Naitram to copy and send it to me.
Would be cool to use to schedule lifter replacement.
X 2!
 

SBB

[Twolanerider]

Since Harley usually isn't all the subtle anyone want to equate the heads on Mt. Rushmore and water cooled heads on the motor ?

[SBB]

Since Harley usually isn't all the subtle anyone want to equate the heads on Mt. Rushmore and water cooled heads on the motor ?

Not me.
The heads of Mt Rushmore have lasted a long time, Harley heads, well, , , you get my drift.

SBB

[Twolanerider]

Not me.
The heads of Mt Rushmore have lasted a long time, Harley heads, well, , , you get my drift.

SBB

Due to cracks the heads at Rushmore do leak (when it rains) though.  So there is that similarity to start with.

[SBB]

Due to cracks the heads at Rushmore do leak (when it rains) though.  So there is that similarity to start with.

Excuse me, you must have forgotten, they all do that!

 

SBB

[charles05663]

Well the motto was "see more, hear more"  Maybe they have change their headlights and the radio.

 

[TinSpinner]

Well the motto was "see more, hear more"  Maybe they have change their headlights and the radio.

I had the same thoughts. Never mind the engine noise, just make the radio louder...

[YELLOWBIRD]

Maybe the "hear more, see more" is the new touch screen radio with built in GPS, and bigger speakers in the Batwing.

YB

[iski]

Liquid cooled heads, new radio, new inner fairing, new handlebar controls, lights.  Interesting stuff.

See more hear more feel more = That deaf, dumb, and blind kid sure rides a mean mean bike?

(the Who - Pinball Wizard?)   

[Lever]

agree countdown clock is kewl

[porthole]

I wonder if a year from now "Rushmore" will have been be a bad idea for a project name 

[Twolanerider]

I wonder if a year from now "Rushmore" will have been be a bad idea for a project name 

Wondered if someone else also had the thought that Rushmore could too easily become rush more because, in typical Harley fashion, they rushed more and completed less and brought a buggy product to the street.

[Buy early]

Liquid cooled heads, new radio, new inner fairing, new handlebar controls, lights.  Interesting stuff.

See more hear more feel more = That deaf, dumb, and blind kid sure rides a mean mean bike?

(the Who - Pinball Wizard?)   

How about "We won't get fooled again?"

[JoMo]

I hear water cooled linked braking and  abs on all bikes even on sportsters voice recognition GPS

                           Jo Mo NYC  

[iski]

How about "We won't get fooled again?"

Good one.  "I Can See for Miles"?

[scttgr8]

the long and winding road...

[Buy early]

Good one.  "I Can See for Miles"?

"Who are you?"

[iski]

"Who are you?"

"Babba O'Reilly" (Teenage Wasteland).

[Buy early]

"Babba O'Reilly" (Teenage Wasteland).

"My name is Tommy, and I became aware this year."

[JoeSDE]

Did I miss it?....maybe midnight Pacific? Midnight central time---Harley's time zone! Bedtime.      JoeS

[iski]

"My name is Tommy, and I became aware this year."

"No one knows what it's like to be the bad man, the sad man, behind a big honking gauged ugly inner fairing blue eyes."

[owl893]

Just watched the video,

http://projectrushmore.harley-davidson.com/en_US  (if this doesn't load on explorer 10 try chrome)

it looks like we got the touchscreen system, along with a faring vent, cut out front rotors, and a few other tweaks.  Not much on specific models and/or colors. It doesn't look like anything is water cooled. The 103 might be standard now, but I've never heard stock pipes make that sound. Anyway, it is a tease and should keep us talking until the 2014 release.

OWL

[tlr]

good tip.  thanks.  couldnt view in IE.  dig the video and all the changes.  would have loved a CVO SG.  would be giving me serious buy me if they did.

[ThunderBueller]

Just watched the video,

http://projectrushmore.harley-davidson.com/en_US  (if this doesn't load on explorer 10 try chrome)

it looks like we got the touchscreen system, along with a faring vent, cut out front rotors, and a few other tweaks.  Not much on specific models and/or colors. It doesn't look like anything is water cooled. The 103 might be standard now, but I've never heard stock pipes make that sound. Anyway, it is a tease and should keep us talking until the 2014 release.

OWL

Ultra Limited, CVO Ultra Limited and Tri Glide have the Twin Cooling and all three have a radiator or cooler of some sort in the lower fairings. Oil capacity is the same for those bikes as the regular Ultra Classic which is listed as Air-cooled with integrated oil cooler. It seems if those were only oil coolers there would be a bump in oil capacity.

[wachuko]

From the Roadglide.org forum:

Here is an internal view for ya.

[ThunderBueller]

From the Roadglide.org forum:

Looks like the air gets blown out the sides.

[Twolanerider]

See one thing I don't like in that image.  At least I don't like it if what I'm seeing is what I think I'm seeing. 

Is that a pressure cap that's unserviceable without some significant disassembly?

[naitram]

im sure there will be some special tool that only dealers will have

[Twolanerider]

im sure there will be some special tool that only dealers will have

No tool in the world helps if there's just no access Neal. 

[Fired00d]

No tool in the world helps if there's just no access Neal. 

Yea it does... BFH!!!

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[Twolanerider]

Yea it does... BFH!!!

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

True that Dood.  A guys favorite tools are a torch, a BFH and a Crescent wrench.  Give me those and I can tear apart anything!! 

ABS lowers wouldn't stand a chance..... 

[naitram]

is a cig lighter no longer standard on touring models?

http://www.harley-davidson.com/store/cigarette-lighter-and-socket-kit

or is the right side an option for a 2nd power point?

[wachuko]

...A guys favorite tools are a torch, a BFH and a Crescent wrench...

Oh goodness... where is the "report to moderator" button!! 

The other day I was telling a fellow rider to hide away any crescent wrench... that it had NO place in our bikes... and now I see this post... 

[Twolanerider]

is a cig lighter no longer standard on touring models?

http://www.harley-davidson.com/store/cigarette-lighter-and-socket-kit

or is the right side an option for a 2nd power point?

The fitment description for that lighter kit says it's for 2014 models with a "fairing mounted 12v accessory outlet."  So, perhaps, stock is now some power port and future cancer victims will have to buy the lighter separately.

[Twolanerider]

Oh goodness... where is the "report to moderator" button!! 

The other day I was telling a fellow rider to hide away any crescent wrench... that it had NO place in our bikes... and now I see this post... 

If it's a big enough Crescent wrench a guy doesn't even need the BFH.  That tool can multi-task... 

[wachuko]

And a close up on the radiators...

My dealer just posted this on their FB page - seems like the rumors are true.



They are saying that the heads are partially liquid cooled.

Heres a little better pic

[wachuko]

These are pics from the Street Glide...not sure if I like those controls or not.




The flat button above is apparently the trip switch according to the HD website



Saddlebags can be opened with one hand. So if this is on the inside of the lid, are the outside lid latches functional as well?

[Yellow09SERG]

Learning a sawsall can go a long ways too when needing access.....

[Twolanerider]

Learning a sawsall can go a long ways too when needing access.....

Have never found the Sawzall to be as cathartic, uplifting or fulfilling as the BFH...

[Midnight Rider]

See one thing I don't like in that image.  At least I don't like it if what I'm seeing is what I think I'm seeing. 

Is that a pressure cap that's unserviceable without some significant disassembly?

They have specially trained Squirrel Monkeys to remove the cap...small hands.

[Midnight Rider]

I'm thinking that the "latches" are no longer latches, but strictly hinges.  And it's about f'ing time...

[iski]

Learning a sawsall can go a long ways too when needing access.....

My leather tour pack on my 07 SEULTRA would not open.  The latch froze & could not be picked.  So the dealer service dept. used a Sawzall on it.  Very cool, & I got a new leather TP later.

[iski]

They have specially trained Squirrel Monkeys to remove the cap...small hands.

 

HD Part No. SQL014MK549 $@1,249.95 - Lower fairing monkey option to open formerly unopenable radiator cap that is not really a radiator cap but it probably is even though we do not say that is what it is.  Must be compatible with HD upper fairing monkey Part SQU014MK550 $1,449.95, or you will have a monkey fight on your hands.

HD Special Liquid DuoCoolant - $87 per 1 oz. container (optional).

[scttgr8]

the pressure cap appears to be very similar to what is on MOST vehicles and you only service the coolant thru the bottle...doesn't seem to be as big of a concern as some are making it

[porthole]

the pressure cap appears to be very similar to what is on MOST vehicles and you only service the coolant thru the bottle...doesn't seem to be as big of a concern as some are making it

That would be my impression.

Cap should not have to come until refilling the system for a leak or service. Then it would be the bottle.

[mark]

HD Part No. SQL014MK549 $@1,249.95 - Lower fairing monkey option to open formerly unopenable radiator cap that is not really a radiator cap but it probably is even though we do not say that is what it is.  Must be compatible with HD upper fairing monkey Part SQU014MK550 $1,449.95, or you will have a monkey fight on your hands.

HD Special Liquid DuoCoolant - $87 per 1 oz. container (optional).

I love it...

[Twolanerider]

the pressure cap appears to be very similar to what is on MOST vehicles and you only service the coolant thru the bottle...doesn't seem to be as big of a concern as some are making it

The fill point is obviously right there next to the pressure cap.  So it's not something you'd often need access too.  At least not until that time a few years from now when it's started leaking when you're two days from home and don't have tools with you to disassemble the lower fairing to change a stupid pressure cap.

[porthole]

Few years - a bit optimistic, no?

[Twolanerider]

Few years - a bit optimistic, no?

Don't think they sourced some decent Stant cap or other such thing?  Wait until the chrome SE radiator cap shows up on the P&A site.

"Harley part # BR549 Chrome SE High Pressure Cap" for the Twin Cool alternative (because we at Harley we don't say 'water') cooling system.  Special Neodymium "Screamin Eagle" script to build that special high mileage looking patina on your precious bar hopper.  Also see special SE radiator cap rag to keep from burning your fingers and special SE dictionary for the list of appropriate words to say when you do.  Fortunately the SE Dictionary is a highly discretionary part as by the time you disassemble enough chit to get to the original equipment pressure cap for disassembly the system will have cooled down.  MSRP $64.95."

[iski]

Flush/fill service interval every ?? miles? 

20k?

[Rooster]

I guess some folks won't be removing their lowers anymore Unless they come out with the quick disconnect and plug kit. but that might cancel your warranty

[North Georgia Hawg]

Don't think they sourced some decent Stant cap or other such thing?  Wait until the chrome SE radiator cap shows up on the P&A site.

"Harley part # BR549 Chrome SE High Pressure Cap" for the Twin Cool alternative (because we at Harley we don't say 'water') cooling system.  Special Neodymium "Screamin Eagle" script to build that special high mileage looking patina on your precious bar hopper.  Also see special SE radiator cap rag to keep from burning your fingers and special SE dictionary for the list of appropriate words to say when you do.  Fortunately the SE Dictionary is a highly discretionary part as by the time you disassemble enough chit to get to the original equipment pressure cap for disassembly the system will have cooled down.  MSRP $64.95."

Now, I don' cahr WHO ya ahr... tha's FUNNY right thar!

'Cept Ah'll be a KEEPIN' ma l'il ole "Pre-Rushmore" bahk... fer the tahm bein'... Sinyce ahh already GOT me 4 HUNNERT WATTS... an' NO wahter lynes EENYWAYS...

Keyn

[Twolanerider]

Flush/fill service interval every ?? miles? 

20k?

Won't matter because we won't be able to do it.  Will have to hook it up to Digital Technician to signal the water pump to move the fluid for a complete flush.   (oh gawd I so hope that BS doesn't end up being right.....)

[iski]

Won't matter because we won't be able to do it.  Will have to hook it up to Digital Technician to signal the water pump to move the fluid for a complete flush.   (oh gawd I so hope that BS doesn't end up being right.....)

 

You & me both.

Any guesses on what the cost will be for the new "Harley Twin Cooling Fluid"? North of $10 per pint?

Or any bets on how long it will take the Moco to develop a high performance "Screamin' Eagle Twin Cooling Fluid"? This SE fluid will be their response to the complaints about leaks, overheating, and that unexpected foot steam bath when the radiator cap blows at a stop light or during parade duty.

Or how some intrepid rider who is more than handy with a wrench (hint: probably you) will figure out that the regular Twin Cooling Fluid is generic Walmart type brand anti-freeze & the Screamin' Eagle version is Prestone?  My head hurts a little now...

[skratch]

i know your previous post was pretty much tongue in cheek, but i did do some checking, the hd antifreeze is damned expensive anyways.  22.95 for a gallon.

it does say for use in vrods and twin cooled engines, so same as they've been using for years.

[Twolanerider]

i know your previous post was pretty much tongue in cheek, but i did do some checking, the hd antifreeze is damned expensive anyways.  22.95 for a gallon.

it does say for use in vrods and twin cooled engines, so same as they've been using for years.

And that wasn't even the jug with the chrome cap......

[porthole]

You & me both.

Any guesses on what the cost will be for the new "Harley Twin Cooling Fluid"? North of $10 per pint?

Or any bets on how long it will take the Moco to develop a high performance "Screamin' Eagle Twin Cooling Fluid"? This SE fluid will be their response to the complaints about leaks, overheating, and that unexpected foot steam bath when the radiator cap blows at a stop light or during parade duty.

Or how some intrepid rider who is more than handy with a wrench (hint: probably you) will figure out that the regular Twin Cooling Fluid is generic Walmart type brand anti-freeze & the Screamin' Eagle version is Prestone?  My head hurts a little now...

No doubt it will be like the big 3's diesel engines, a new type of "special" coolant every other year required.

[Twolanerider]

Just watched the MY tech bulletin (yeah Shockwave).  The pressure cap is on a neck that bends back outside the ex-glove box door for service.  So it is serviceable as it sets on the bike.  I surprised by the coolant volume spec.  Unless either I mis-heard or the tech bulletin misstated the entire volume is only a bit over a quart.

[Midnight Rider]

Won't matter because we won't be able to do it.  Will have to hook it up to Digital Technician to signal the water pump to move the fluid for a complete flush.   (oh gawd I so hope that BS doesn't end up being right.....)

I don't know, Don....I've always thought Squirrel Monkeys were kinda' cute. You could get him a little helmet, tiny gloves and chaps.  And he could hump your knee while traveling...

He'd be a chick magnet too...

[iski]

I wonder how long it would take for a quart of coolant to drip out of a parked bike at ambient temperature easily verifiable by the whyinthepluperfecthellisthedamnairgaugestillona2016? ever present & most useless useful inner fairing atmosphere gauge?

One would expect at operating temperatures it would leak faster?  At higher than normal temps - boiling - it could be like a sauna.  Like a 2016 spa on wheels.

Whilst wondering....How soon will it be before somebody uses plain water instead of coolant & freeze cracks their heads when the bike sits in below freezing temperatures?

[Twolanerider]

I wonder how long it would take for a quart of coolant to drip out of a parked bike at ambient temperature easily verifiable by the whyinthepluperfecthellisthedamnairgaugestillona2016? ever present & most useless useful inner fairing atmosphere gauge?

One would expect at operating temperatures it would leak faster?  At higher than normal temps - boiling - it could be like a sauna.  Like a 2016 spa on wheels.

Whilst wondering....How soon will it be before somebody uses plain water instead of coolant & freeze cracks their heads when the bike sits in below freezing temperatures?

Haven't seen a spec yet for what pressure rating the pressure cap is good for.  Without knowing how many pounds of pressure the system is held at we can't know boiling point.  But, yeah, the second or third hard winter of stored bikes (after they've had time to need to be serviced a few times and get refilled with more water and less anti-freeze) might be interesting.   

[kiwihog]

Does RUSH MORE mean this years models will be put together faster I thought they made enough mistakes when they took their time  

[Rooster]

I think project Rush-More came out in 2007

[iski]

Haven't seen a spec yet for what pressure rating the pressure cap is good for.  Without knowing how many pounds of pressure the system is held at we can't know boiling point.  But, yeah, the second or third hard winter of stored bikes (after they've had time to need to be serviced a few times and get refilled with more water and less anti-freeze) might be interesting.   

More service opportunities, bigger service bill for some.

Saw your post on the RG fairing redesign guess somewhere else - so many 2014 threads I get them mixed up.  Had an opportunity to ride a RG a few times over the last couple of years.  Handles well, like it a lot.  If they do the fairing redesign the way you suggest with the screen in the middle (logical placement), I will be looking at the RG more seriously than the Ultra.  Depends on how many of the "I bought a 2014 CVO Limited & It Sucks Because ________" threads are posted here, and how quickly those issues get resolved.

Anyway, Neal is likely to have a lot more hits on this forum for 2013-14, if one reflects back on the less than fun times in 2007 when the 110 was introduced before it was ready. Hoping not a redo of that, seriously, for those who guinea pig themselves for the 2014 wet heads.

[investorbp]

I saw the post regarding the Rushmore Project yesterday on Facebook from someone who didn't like the idea of a phone being integrated w/the Infotainment & then proceeded to their site to see it directly.  Lots of grammatical errors in the text that was surprising for a company who's been in business for a 110 years & it's obvious they rushed it.  I stopped at a dealer & the guy I spoke to was generally knowledgeable & said that their owner or GM was at the launch meeting in Colorado still so he was a tad light on all the intimate details as he was unpacking brochures.  He did say that he used to be w/Toyota & reminded me of the Camry & how in one single production year, they addressed every single issue there was w/the vehicle & corrected it where it went on to become the #1 car sold in the US.  That's supposedly what H-D is hoping to emulate w/this project as they were in communications w/Toyota allegedly.  I like what their intentions are about as it was about time to look like they were paying attention.  We'll see & be careful w/marketing as sometimes no one else in the company has a clue what they're up to.

[North Georgia Hawg]

Here's my theory about how the Twin Cooling feature will make the rider feel more comfortable...

Water is 3600 times as dense as air at sea level, and can absorb much more heat much more quickly than can air. So, the liquid coolant can remove a lot of heat from the heads very quickly, in relation to how much heat air can remove in the same amount of time.

OK... but that absorbed heat has to go somewhere... and on the twin-cooled bikes it goes out the vent on the outside of the fairing lowers... right into the AIR surrounding the rider's legs!

The hot coolant goes from the engine through the LEFT fairing radiator first, then over to the RIGHT radiator. This means that the LEFT radiator will radiate MORE heat than will the RIGHT radiator, since it receives hotter coolant directly from the engine.

This left-to-right coolant flow will serve to EQUALIZE THE ROASTING of the rider's legs! It's BRILLIANT! Now, instead of only feeling the heat from the exhaust on their RIGHT leg, the rider will now also feel the heat from the LEFT - and hotter - radiator on their LEFT leg.

My theory is that with this new Equalized Roasting feature, the rider will PERCEIVE themselves to be more comfortable... because they will now feel the heat on BOTH legs, and neither leg will feel noticeably warmer in relation to the other leg.

It's psychological... rather like putting a frog in a pot of water, then heating the water until it boils. The frog won't jump out because it doesn't notice the gradual rise in water temperature surrounding it. But, if you throw a frog into already-boiling water, it will jump out immediately, because it quickly senses the significant temperature differential and takes quick action to save itself. Or something...

Anyway, that's my theory... Equalized Roasting!

Ken

[OhioDave]

Here's my theory about how the Twin Cooling feature will make the rider feel more comfortable...

Anyway, that's my theory... Equalized Roasting!

Ken

 

[mark]

Ken: If you'll check the 2014 catalog, there's a Steamin' Eagle Leg Roaster Equalizer, $599.99, and mounting bracket, $249.99.  Sorry, but apparently the SE Leg Roaster Equalizer isn't a stock item for 2014....maybe next year.