Topic: Rust under Clear coat (Read 17855 times)

Floppy · « **on:** March 05, 2014, 05:36:26 AM »

Has any one else had rust starting under clear
Getting replaced under warranty

Floppy · « **Reply #1 on:** March 05, 2014, 05:38:58 AM »

CVO Rust

Floppy · « **Reply #2 on:** March 05, 2014, 05:42:04 AM »

Any one else had this happen

cambo · « **Reply #3 on:** March 05, 2014, 06:27:39 AM »

Covered under warranty. I had a couple rust spots on the tank (not as bad as what you have) and HD swapped out the tank, no questions asked.

24v · « **Reply #4 on:** March 05, 2014, 07:25:59 AM »

I get the feeling that could be an ongoing problem with the cvo bikes. Real bummer as the clear over polished looks amazing.

gmeikle · « **Reply #5 on:** March 05, 2014, 08:03:27 AM »

I have crazing or "spidering" like a web under the clear on the rearguard

Can't "feel" it , but as it's on the clear section it's way obvious

Emanating from the rear seat holdown screw in all directions ??

Like a rust coloured spider web , it's actually quite cool sorta kinda...

Frasers Perth started the warranty claim for replacement last Saturday , they reckon 12 weeks !!

grc · « **Reply #6 on:** March 05, 2014, 08:47:53 AM »

Very similar to the many issues on the "grind" clear-on-bare-metal paint jobs on the CVO Fatboys. I'd suggest anyone with one of these bikes do a close inspection of all the painted parts on a regular basis and get anything and everything documented before the warranty expires. Don't forget, ESP does NOT cover paint defects, and Harley doesn't exactly sell replacement CVO painted parts for peanuts.

Jerry

dlaws01 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 05, 2014, 02:09:07 PM »

I'm sorry but the MoCo will say that that is just a natural patina to be expected over time and adds character to your motorcycle.

Fisherman · « **Reply #8 on:** March 05, 2014, 04:48:19 PM »

Had my rear fender replaced rust under clear coat no problem

dahsen · « **Reply #9 on:** March 05, 2014, 10:10:42 PM »

I'm surprised that there is so many rust problems with those Breakout paints...

It's good to know that MoCo replaces them willingly but I'm concerned about the new parts... Is the problem solved or do we expect the problem to show up again a couple of years?

How did they solve the problem? Do they use a class 1 paint room now?

Floppy · « **Reply #10 on:** March 06, 2014, 12:30:06 AM »

If it happens again or continuing issue will get .Scottychoppers to fab up alloy ones same as my new guards

bazza · « **Reply #11 on:** March 06, 2014, 03:29:16 AM »

had similar issue with my candy gold ,it took 3 months to get a replacement tank ,wasnt any hassle ,just a pain in the ass ,this is the only issue ive had

Breakout · « **Reply #12 on:** March 06, 2014, 05:10:12 AM »

I had a simular problem with my candy gold tank, i had rust all aroud the filler cap. Dealer immediately filed a warrant issue wich was accepted by the MoCo , but it took them 9 months to deliver a new tank

24v · « **Reply #13 on:** March 06, 2014, 08:24:21 AM »

Quote from: dahsen on March 05, 2014, 10:10:42 PM

I'm surprised that there is so many rust problems with those Breakout paints...

It's good to know that MoCo replaces them willingly but I'm concerned about the new parts... Is the problem solved or do we expect the problem to show up again a couple of years?

How did they solve the problem? Do they use a class 1 paint room now?

I'm not sure how they could fix this problem. Typical paint has at least 2-3 coats on it, and more than likely 5-8 coats. You figure you have a coat or two of primer, a coat or two of paint, and the same of clearcoat.
On the CVO Breakout they have polished steel with only clearcoat over it. There isn't really enough protection for the metal to not rust. As soon as there is any little crack, chip, or other tiny imperfection in that clearcoat the moisture can get under it. From that point, it is only a matter of time.

Fired00d · « **Reply #14 on:** March 06, 2014, 08:32:06 AM »

Quote from: dahsen on March 05, 2014, 10:10:42 PM

I'm surprised that there is so many rust problems with those Breakout paints...

It's good to know that MoCo replaces them willingly but I'm concerned about the new parts... Is the problem solved or do we expect the problem to show up again a couple of years?

How did they solve the problem? Do they use a class 1 paint room now?

Exactly... by the time it shows up again their reply will be "they all do that" and we replaced it once for free now you're on your own.

Ride Safe,
Fired00d

grc · « **Reply #15 on:** March 06, 2014, 08:57:24 AM »

Quote from: 24v on March 06, 2014, 08:24:21 AM

I'm not sure how they could fix this problem. Typical paint has at least 2-3 coats on it, and more than likely 5-8 coats. You figure you have a coat or two of primer, a coat or two of paint, and the same of clearcoat.
On the CVO Breakout they have polished steel with only clearcoat over it. There isn't really enough protection for the metal to not rust. As soon as there is any little crack, chip, or other tiny imperfection in that clearcoat the moisture can get under it. From that point, it is only a matter of time.

Actually it doesn't even take a chip or crack, since the clear paint film is slightly permeable even after it's cured. A proper modern vehicle paint job starts with treatments to the bare metal such as acid etching and zinc phosphate coating to provide corrosion protection and promote adhesion, then one or more primer type coatings, then a color coat, followed by one or more clear coats that cross link to the color coat as it cures. Eliminate everything but the clear coat and you have less corrosion protection than the original paint job on your 1950 Chevy or your refrigerator, and a whole lot less than a modern paint job on a late model car or even a Harley.

The entire idea of just spraying bare steel with clear and calling it a proper paint job is BS. It works on the show circuit because it doesn't have to hold up for any real length of time and it isn't usually exposed to the elements like a street bike is. And if it does start to corrode they just repair it before the next show. It's typical of Harley to put out stuff that is all style and no function, but I thought they had learned their ~~lesion~~ lesson with the "grind" finish. Obviously not.

Jerry

simjoheva · « **Reply #16 on:** March 06, 2014, 01:47:35 PM »

Rust on my rear fender. Warranty. chit!

redbeard719 · « **Reply #17 on:** March 07, 2014, 02:25:30 AM »

This was common on the 2009 CVO Softail Springers too, with the grind metal flames that were cleared over.

I also have a set of tins from a 2006 Springer Classic that had an upgraded paint set installed, which had bare metal/cleared that also had rust.

It doesn't take much moisture at all. In fact, so little that it would go unnoticed.

I agree that these finishes make for a very cool effect, but what's really insane, is that Moco keeps doing it year after year and expects different results.

Good luck, but don't be fooled into thinking that a replacement part will not do the same thing, maybe now, maybe 2-3 years from now, when you're warranty is expired.

Aussie · « **Reply #18 on:** March 07, 2014, 06:09:37 AM »

Quote from: dahsen on March 05, 2014, 10:10:42 PM

I'm surprised that there is so many rust problems with those Breakout paints...

It's good to know that MoCo replaces them willingly but I'm concerned about the new parts... Is the problem solved or do we expect the problem to show up again a couple of years?

My thoughts exactly. What happens if rust appears a second or third time....

grc · « **Reply #19 on:** March 07, 2014, 08:49:16 AM »

Quote from: Aussie on March 07, 2014, 06:09:37 AM

My thoughts exactly. What happens if rust appears a second or third time....

One of the reasons I suggest that people inspect and document everything. If you can show a repeated pattern of failures during the warranty period, you may be able to convince H-D to play nicely when a part fails again out of warranty. If Harley wants to play not so nicely, all that documentation will come in very handy when you take them to small claims court.

Jerry

Blue Eagle · « **Reply #20 on:** March 12, 2014, 02:51:25 PM »

H-D replaced my front fender It had a thumb print under clear coat on polished metal. under warranty

Nicky Pass · « **Reply #21 on:** March 12, 2014, 03:23:38 PM »

This is why i sold mine! This is going to pop up more and there is nothing you can do. I first was mezmorized by the paint, then after thinking about the fact that the tank is sanded and polished bare metal, I realized that it was only a matter of time before it was rust. I truly loved my CVO Breakout, but 3 - 9 months for a replacement is crazy...its all tins too, tank and fenders. I can't even imagine the 2014 Molten Silver lasting half as long as the 2013 model. I wish there was a way to remedy this problem....

Floppy · « **Reply #22 on:** March 19, 2014, 11:24:08 PM »

Will post some pics of under cowl when new tank arrives .Hopefully should show were it started .HCHD Gladstone Queensland have been real helpful Thanks Guys

Floppy · « **Reply #23 on:** April 13, 2014, 08:35:03 AM »

New tank getting fitted tomorrow will let ya know if rust was also under cowl.

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gmeikle · « **Reply #24 on:** April 14, 2014, 07:28:21 AM »

I will be watching your progress with interest.

Frasers Perth WA told me today my new rear guard in Diamond Black will be here in 3 weeks

Wait and see , that will be a " kontova " job to fit ( put an Aussie accent on it !)

Personally I'd rather fit it myself but i don't think they'll have a bar of that sadly...

dahsen · « **Reply #25 on:** April 14, 2014, 12:28:07 PM »

Did someone notice this problem on a 2014 BO ?

Floppy · « **Reply #26 on:** April 17, 2014, 04:58:40 AM »

Picked up bike today with new tank Thanks to the guys at HCHD Gladstone Qld
Was more under cowl as you can see in photo .Looks like started at the edge

24v · « **Reply #27 on:** April 17, 2014, 07:08:48 AM »

Makes you wonder how many of them look like that under there.

harley2014 · « **Reply #28 on:** May 19, 2014, 11:57:40 AM »

My 2014 CVO Breakout was delivered at the end of December, looked fantastic but being the middle of winter I was unable to ride it. At the end of January I noticed marks under the clear coat on the tank, exactly the same as the pictures I have seen on this site. Breakout went into the dealers for inspections by Harley Davidson, they decided to it to a specialist painter in the UK approved by Harley Davidson, it was with them for 5 weeks, I was informed by the dealer the approved painter was unable to bring tank up to a standard for a CVO. At the end of February they decided to order a new tank from gunslinger in the states, my Breakout was returned to me in the middle of April. Today 19th May I decided to wax the breakout, to protect the chrome and paintwork, and shock horror I have rust coming the edge of my rear fender.
Are there any CVO Breakout out there that are over 12 months without problems with the clear coat.
Are the Springer and Fatboy CVO`s with clear coat OK now, or are they in the paint shop every 12 months.
Do Harley Davidson replace tanks and fenders for 2 years then turn there back.
I really do want to keep this bike for quite few years, do I have the repainted or try a repair myself in the future.

cambo · « **Reply #29 on:** May 19, 2014, 03:20:42 PM »

I have had my breakout for one year now. I did have rust under the clear coat on the tank which appeared to have been there from day one (hidden by the seat), replaced by HD this past December. No rust issues anywhere on the fenders.

CVOBreak · « **Reply #30 on:** May 20, 2014, 12:24:25 AM »

Working on the second rear fender. Now have a streak of rust from the filler neck. the wrinkle coating is falling off the underside of the engine and the real wheel has cracks and pits in the chrome that is starting to rust. Going to the dealer on Friday to document all. the engine is bad as the aluminum is corroding so I don't no how they are going to fix that. the filler neck rust streak is very small right now so I'm guessing that will be an issue as the 10 feet rule may kick in. That being said, I've never seen rust suddenly stop or recede.

This is not my first Harley but my first CVO. Likely to be my last if these issues are not repaired/replaced to my satisfaction. I can afford any motorcycle I choose and chose a Harley CVO Breakout. I'm starting to question if that was a wise choice for both Harley and the CVO model.

You would expect better when paying a premium price!!

gmeikle · « **Reply #31 on:** May 20, 2014, 05:53:29 AM »

I was booked to take my 2013 CVO Breakout into the local HD dealer today to have the replacement rear fender fitted tomorrow

( Rust " squiggles" or spider webbing under the clear coat emanating from the seat bolt hole )

Too wet by far in Perth western Australia to ride 20+ K's in the rain , so I've cancelled until "later"

It's winter here now by way of explanation to those in the northern hemisphere enjoying early summer !

The fender took 10 weeks approx from first warranty report to arrive in Western Australia , not too bad actually !

harley2014 · « **Reply #32 on:** May 20, 2014, 06:18:50 AM »

Exactly the same as mine, but just above rear reflector, dealer as been great, chasing up a hopefuly quick replacement, I would expect Harley to sort out this problem ASAP, in there preparation to the polished metal before they apply the clear coat. Very bad publicity on a premium and very expensive bike.

Dobeman2000 · « **Reply #33 on:** May 20, 2014, 09:46:18 AM »

I have two 2013 CVO Breakouts (red and gold)- I haven't noticed any problems yet, but will be going home tonight to inspect areas here more carefully that have been mentioned on the thread .

Breakout · « **Reply #34 on:** May 21, 2014, 02:16:08 AM »

After they replaced my tank , now the clear coat on the rear fender is coming loose around the saddle bolt .
Went to the dealer, they informed HD and a representative came by.
I had two options , remove the fender and send it to a HD approved paintshop in the UK ,according to the HD rep this would have a turn around time of one week
or wait for a new fender to arrive from the US.
While I have been reading in this post that someone else waited 5 weeks for the UK paintshop and then be told they could not paint the Tank and the Riding season just starts here
I opted for the new fender , while I do not want to park the bike for the whole summer at the dealer , waiting for my fender to come back from the paintshop.

Snapperkid · « **Reply #35 on:** May 29, 2014, 09:08:24 PM »

Took mine to the dealer last week for tank rust under the clear. Was informed today the a new one is on the way...

Breakout · « **Reply #36 on:** June 05, 2014, 07:48:05 AM »

I asked the dealer yesterday when the new rear fender was coming, he told me that HD Europe refused to order one . My rearfendef has to be send to England where HD has contracted a paintshop who will repair the paint. HD tells that it will taken one week to repair. But I doubt that.
The dealer has send before a top case to this paint shop and it took them 4 weeks before it was back. While I do not want to park my bike in the middle of the driving season for 4 to 6 weeks
I agreed now with the dealer to send the rear fender this winter for repair . But I am driving around with a big rust spot on the Fender .
I will tell everybody why this spot is sitting there and how I have be treated on this warranty question by the MOCO for a bike costing 35000 Euro (or for my friends on the other side of the big pond 47250 Us$) It is a good advertisement for the MoCo , and I am sure it will scare some people away from buying a Harley

Krise · « **Reply #37 on:** July 02, 2014, 07:56:21 AM »

Rear fender

ChopperPilot · « **Reply #38 on:** July 02, 2014, 09:15:12 PM »

Anyone seeing issues on their 2014?

harley2014 · « **Reply #39 on:** July 03, 2014, 11:47:43 AM »

Tank as been replaced, I have been waiting 2 months for a replacement fender due to rust on my 2014 CVO Breakout

dahsen · « **Reply #40 on:** July 03, 2014, 10:22:12 PM »

Quote from: harley2014 on July 03, 2014, 11:47:43 AM

Tank as been replaced, I have been waiting 2 months for a replacement fender due to rust on my 2014 CVO Breakout

2014 ?

I thought that was a gold 2013....

... Since I'm colorblind, it makes sense...... $:-\$

Paul McCormick · « **Reply #41 on:** July 03, 2014, 10:35:44 PM »

Yes on my molton black rear fender on the rolled edge have 5 small rust spots

CVOBreak · « **Reply #42 on:** July 06, 2014, 08:13:52 PM »

Quote from: CVOBreak on May 20, 2014, 12:24:25 AM

Working on the second rear fender. Now have a streak of rust from the filler neck. the wrinkle coating is falling off the underside of the engine and the real wheel has cracks and pits in the chrome that is starting to rust. Going to the dealer on Friday to document all. the engine is bad as the aluminum is corroding so I don't no how they are going to fix that. the filler neck rust streak is very small right now so I'm guessing that will be an issue as the 10 feet rule may kick in. That being said, I've never seen rust suddenly stop or recede.

This is not my first Harley but my first CVO. Likely to be my last if these issues are not repaired/replaced to my satisfaction. I can afford any motorcycle I choose and chose a Harley CVO Breakout. I'm starting to question if that was a wise choice for both Harley and the CVO model.

You would expect better when paying a premium price!!

Latest update, they replaced the rear wheel and ordered the tank and rear fender. The dealer is still fighting with HD about the powder coating but they have not made a final determination. Just noticed chrome peeling from the area around the pivot point pin on the chrome front brake/master cylinder assembly. Haven't showed it to the dealer yet but yet another HD part with inferior finish. I'm guessing it will be replaced as you can clearly see the nickel plating under the chrome as it peels away. probably where someone touched it between the nickel and chrome plating process.

It is a real shame that HD quality has been slowly degrading over the years. Harley Chrome and Paint used to be the best. Add in all the lifter and noisy engine issues and you have one expensive pile of Sh$t.

ematicic · « **Reply #43 on:** July 10, 2014, 11:46:44 AM »

Question for you guys that had the warranty work done...

Is there an extended warranty on the new parts?

Example, my 2013 has rust on the rear fender now, I wait until fall / winter to bring it in, get it fixed by spring. The factory warranty will only be good a for a few more months, will I have at least a year for the new fender (or repair)?

grc · « **Reply #44 on:** July 10, 2014, 01:18:45 PM »

Quote from: ematicic on July 10, 2014, 11:46:44 AM

Question for you guys that had the warranty work done...

Is there an extended warranty on the new parts?

Example, my 2013 has rust on the rear fender now, I wait until fall / winter to bring it in, get it fixed by spring. The factory warranty will only be good a for a few more months, will I have at least a year for the new fender (or repair)?

That's a question you really should direct to H-D Corporate. I seriously doubt you will get a definite yes to that question. They may do partial "goodwill" adjustments once the warranty expires, but those are strictly on a case by case basis and subject to the whims of the person you talk to when the problem actually comes up. I haven't seen anything in writing about an official program to extend the warranty on the paint.

Jerry

CVOBreak · « **Reply #45 on:** July 11, 2014, 07:39:20 PM »

Quote from: CVOBreak on July 06, 2014, 08:13:52 PM

Latest update, they replaced the rear wheel and ordered the tank and rear fender. The dealer is still fighting with HD about the powder coating but they have not made a final determination. Just noticed chrome peeling from the area around the pivot point pin on the chrome front brake/master cylinder assembly. Haven't showed it to the dealer yet but yet another HD part with inferior finish. I'm guessing it will be replaced as you can clearly see the nickel plating under the chrome as it peels away. probably where someone touched it between the nickel and chrome plating process.

It is a real shame that HD quality has been slowly degrading over the years. Harley Chrome and Paint used to be the best. Add in all the lifter and noisy engine issues and you have one expensive pile of Sh$t.

Final disposition all parts covered under warrant except the powder coating. I talked to the HD rep in person today. He stated in his opinion it is due to corrosion from the salt they use on the roads in Ohio in the winter. Like I ride in the snow and slushy roads in the winter, Since the warranty does not cover corrosion they are not going to fix it. HD should be ashamed.

On a brighter note the dealer stepped in and they are going to send the engine out and have the powder coating repaired at their expense. I have to admit that I was surprised that they were willing to do that to turn me back into a satisfied customer. So everything will be repaired/replaced by the end of July. Kudos to Street Track and Train in Conneaut Lake Pennsylvania. A dealer that cares about its customers seems harder to find these days but I will be purchasing my next bike from them.

cambo · « **Reply #46 on:** July 11, 2014, 09:05:08 PM »

That is fantastic news. Great to hear there are dealers who care. Frederick HD also replaced the gauge on my bike under warranty. Now lets get out there and enjoy riding our bikes...

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