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[VAZHOG]

I wore a helmet before it became law in VA to wear one, the reason I wore one then and now is because I can't count on (You-not personal) or another person not being distracted and running into me causing me to Fall off ( I would most likely never see it comming) and you can fall  out of a chair and hit your head just as easy and die.) If you could you ask William holden about that or better Gary Bussy hit just hit a curb at low speed (and now he is special eddy).

Hot springs was the worst place not to wear a helmet - with the beer flowing at the rally and all the bike riders that where present of undetermined or self taught MC riding it was a good place to get whacked unexpected.

I choose to wear one - If you choose not too I will still ride with you because it should be your choice. Life is Short and you should be able to choose how you live it.

[grc]

I'm somewhat surprised that my previous post didn't stir up more chit than it did.  I guess everyone was out riding.  

I just finished an exhaustive search through the Constitution & Bill of Rights, and I'll be darned if I can find the part where it says I have the right to ride without a helmet.  It must be there somewhere, or we wouldn't have so many folks claiming this "right".    

Obviously I'm just jerking some chains here, trying to show how silly this entire thing can become when people get a little carried away with their "rights".  As 2lane noted, there is no inalienable right to ride or drive on public thoroughfares.  Society has seen fit to regulate driving and bestow upon those deemed responsible enough the privilege to drive/ride.  That privilege is revocable, based on each persons actions relative to the rules and regulations society puts forth.  At least in this country you do have the right to try to influence those rules and regulations.

Question:  Anyone ever play football in an organized league (high school, college, or pro)?  Were you given a choice as to the wearing of approved headgear?  Me neither, and I'm amazed that there haven't been all kinds of protests, lawsuits, etc., since this is obviously discriminatory.  I mean, if the football players have to wear helmets, then by god the tennis team should have to wear them too!  Right?

Jerry

[MJZ]

Blake would agree with you since a few years ago he fell into the post and broke his neck.

[Twolanerider]

Question:  Anyone ever play football in an organized league (high school, college, or pro)?  Were you given a choice as to the wearing of approved headgear?  Me neither, and I'm amazed that there haven't been all kinds of protests, lawsuits, etc., since this is obviously discriminatory.  I mean, if the football players have to wear helmets, then by god the tennis team should have to wear them too!  Right?

Jerry

I don't know about that example Jerry.  There's more than a few of us here that show obvious signs of playing football without a helmet.  A lot.....

[skreminegul07]

IMHO
If you wear a helmet it saves superficial damage.  Brain injury comes from impact.  No helmet, dead rider = no cost to the tax payers.  I hate that taxpayer excuse.  That's mob rule.  As A gun owner I know how that medical cost BS does affect a real constitutional right.

I'd rather support 100 or even 1000 bikers that used to work and used to pay taxes than to give free healthcare to 11-12 million illegal aliens, 3.5 million prisoners, and millions of other crack heads junkies and other morons that don't work.

In a country where it is a right to decide to terminate an unborn child, you should be able to decide if you want to wear a helmet or not.

[LRebel]

IMHO
If you wear a helmet it saves superficial damage.  Brain injury comes from impact.  No helmet, dead rider = no cost to the tax payers.  I hate that taxpayer excuse.  That's mob rule.  As A gun owner I know how that medical cost BS does affect a real constitutional right.

I'd rather support 100 or even 1000 bikers that used to work and used to pay taxes than to give free healthcare to 11-12 million illegal aliens, 3.5 million prisoners, and millions of other crack heads junkies and other morons that don't work.

In a country where it is a right to decide to terminate an unborn child, you should be able to decide if you want to wear a helmet or not.

Well Said!

And BTW, driving & riding may not be a right, but I sure pay a lot in taxes to build and maintain the roads that I ride on.  I also pay a lot in taxes for the salaries of those that get elected.  Every time I vote, I think about how much I pay in taxes >> helps me make good choices.

I am really glad we don't have any laws that prohibit those that want to wear a helmet from wearing one......It's their choice (think about it)

[skreminegul07]

Well Said!

And BTW, driving & riding may not be a right, but I sure pay a lot in taxes to build and maintain the roads that I ride on.  I also pay a lot in taxes for the salaries of those that get elected.  Every time I vote, I think about how much I pay in taxes >> helps me make good choices.

I am really glad we don't have any laws that prohibit those that want to wear a helmet from wearing one......It's their choice (think about it)

There was a nes story about a guy in Georgia that was given a ticket for wearing a helmet in his car because it restricted his vision.

[LRebel]

There was a nes story about a guy in Georgia that was given a ticket for wearing a helmet in his car because it restricted his vision.

[spydglide]

There was a nes story about a guy in Georgia that was given a ticket for wearing a helmet in his car because it restricted his vision.

you wouldn't even need to hire a lawyer to beat that ticket.  har!  spyder

[Twolanerider]

I hate that taxpayer excuse.  That's mob rule. 

Hate it you might.  But from a legislative or agency perspective it's the first, loudest, most direct thing they work from.  It's not mob rule.  It's legislative.  If you don't recognize your enemy and his/its motivations you have zero choice of working effectively against it. 

All the other complaints are just sound and fury meaning nothing.  In other words ineffective loud ramblings that a legislature or Department of Transportation making an agency rule will really never hear.  Those places where rules have been changed or avoided in rider's favor have been, almost universally, places where lobbying was done in terms they understood.

Saying no helmet = dead riders = less cost is specious (at best).  Too many good numbers out there to prove otherwise.  To make these arguments we have to make them well.  Otherwise they won't be effective.  If the argument sounds dumb on its face people (other than friends and allies, who you don't need to convince to begin with) won't listen for more than a moment.  If they tune out you can't convince them.

[Hoist!]

Hate it you might.  But from a legislative or agency perspective it's the first, loudest, most direct thing they work from.  It's not mob rule.  It's legislative.  If you don't recognize your enemy and his/its motivations you have zero choice of working effectively against it. 

All the other complaints are just sound and fury meaning nothing.  In other words ineffective loud ramblings that a legislature or Department of Transportation making an agency rule will really never hear.  Those places where rules have been changed or avoided in rider's favor have been, almost universally, places where lobbying was done in terms they understood.

Saying no helmet = dead riders = less cost is specious (at best).  Too many good numbers out there to prove otherwise.  To make these arguments we have to make them well.  Otherwise they won't be effective.  If the argument sounds dumb on its face people (other than friends and allies, who you don't need to convince to begin with) won't listen for more than a moment.  If they tune out you can't convince them.

I hate it when you're right like that Don!

We've had helmet laws here as far back as I remember. But we always wore them on our arm. The law never said where it needed to be worn, so that was our way of protesting it. And they couldn't ticket you, since we were wearing it! Now they wound up changing the law to state that it must be worn on your head. We don't have much luck wearing it on our arms anymore!

Hoist!

[Twolanerider]

I hate it when you're right like that Don!

We've had helmet laws here as far back as I remember. But we always wore them on our arm. The law never said where it needed to be worn, so that was our way of protesting it. And they couldn't ticket you, since we were wearing it! Now they wound up changing the law to state that it must be worn on your head. We don't have much luck wearing it on our arms anymore!

Hoist!

See, even something as slow as a legislature will eventually get a clue .

[spydglide]

See, even something as slow as a legislature will eventually get a clue .

Just remember to bring a DOT-approved helmet to MaggieValley if you come.  har!  spyder

[Hoist!]

Just remember to bring a DOT-approved helmet to MaggieValley if you come.  har!  spyder

Don't own one. I'll plead ignorance!

Hoist!

[spydglide]

Don't own one. I'll plead ignorance!

Hoist!

HAR!  I've seen the recent pics of your new one.  That baby's DOT or SNELL approved, fer sure!  har~  spyder