Post by: Furmon on July 27, 2014, 06:03:25 PM
Post by: spook120 on July 27, 2014, 06:39:05 PM
Post by: JCZ on July 27, 2014, 07:30:35 PM
Chuck (CAP) has rode every state of the continental US on his 1600. He rolled over from an 09 SERG. Said he has no regreats. Look for posts under his name.
Post by: FLHTCUSE7 on July 27, 2014, 07:32:20 PM
I had one of the first ones. Lots of small issues that added up being annoying. I would definitely buy one again.
Ride one and see for yourself. It's a great ride in anyway. Speeding tickets will be an issue.
Post by: Sarhan on July 27, 2014, 08:03:09 PM
Post by: Trapperdog on July 27, 2014, 09:14:53 PM
Post by: 05Train on July 28, 2014, 08:28:05 AM
At any rate, the only real negative I could find was low-speed handling. At walking speeds, it feels ponderous.
For anything else, it's unreal. It's insanely fast. The suspension and brakes are amazing. It's ridiculously comfortable. I get weak in the knees every time I see one. If I could talk my wife into putting up with the rocking topbox, I'd sell a kidney to get one.
Post by: grc on July 28, 2014, 08:38:12 AM
Thinking about trading my 2011 CVO Street Glide in on a BMW K1600GTL. Wish I could have both but not in the cards. Like a lot about both bikes, afraid if I take a test ride on the GTL I'll want it more then the Street Glide. Has anybody went to the GTL from a CVO. I get tired of a bike after a few years and want something different, wife doesn't agree with having two:(
I suggest you try to avoid the mistake some others have made when changing from a Harley to a European or Japanese brand, which is not taking an extended test ride first. IMHO the Beemer suspension and powertrain are light years ahead of the stuff Harley puts out, but the ergonomics of the bike are definitely not similar to the "lay back on the couch" ergonomics of a Harley touring model. This is a sport touring bike designed for effortless high speed touring, not something designed to look good putting around in a parade.
See if the dealer will let you take the bike for a weekend to make sure you like how it fits you and how it handles under various conditions.
JMHO - Jerry
Post by: Jswerve on July 28, 2014, 09:01:38 AM
I suggest you try to avoid the mistake some others have made when changing from a Harley to a European or Japanese brand, which is not taking an extended test ride first. IMHO the Beemer suspension and powertrain are light years ahead of the stuff Harley puts out, but the ergonomics of the bike are definitely not similar to the "lay back on the couch" ergonomics of a Harley touring model. This is a sport touring bike designed for effortless high speed touring, not something designed to look good putting around in a parade.
See if the dealer will let you take the bike for a weekend to make sure you like how it fits you and how it handles under various conditions.
JMHO - Jerry
Great advice.
Report back after that test ride!
Post by: Christian on July 28, 2014, 09:29:11 AM
And I live in Germany. What do you want to do with an BMW 1600 in the States? This Bike is made to run always minimum 120mph to have fun. I think you will soon loose your drivers license :oops:
If I want to go (really) fast on the "Autobahn", I take the Porsche.
No Bike will be such comfortable as a Harley. Just my 2C
Post by: owl893 on July 28, 2014, 10:00:43 AM
OWL
Post by: ultrarider123 on July 28, 2014, 10:38:04 AM
I never would trade my Harley in on a BMW.
And I live in Germany. What do you want to do with an BMW 1600 in the States? This Bike is made to run always minimum 120mph to have fun. I think you will soon loose your drivers license :oops:
If I want to go (really) fast on the "Autobahn", I take the Porsche.
No Bike will be such comfortable as a Harley. Just my 2C
Christian, I like the way you think, brother, and glad you have that option..... :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: ultrarider123 on July 28, 2014, 10:40:28 AM
See if the dealer will let you take the bike for a weekend to make sure you like how it fits you and how it handles under various conditions.
JMHO - Jerry
Will completely agree with Jerry on that comment. You could extend that to any brand one might not be familier with.... ;D
Post by: Dan_Lockwood on July 28, 2014, 12:06:51 PM
I think he kept a HD while he owned the Beemer, but I think in the long run he sold it and is just HD again.
Check out some of his threads, very honest assessments of the bike and the BSR thoughts on it as well.
Post by: Beak Boater on July 28, 2014, 12:15:52 PM
I never would trade my Harley in on a BMW.I agree with Christian on this point, if you are not riding it to its full potential, it is very boring to ride. The K1600 loves twisties, and 100 mph cruising. What everyone else has added is true, quite, fast, brakes are insanely good. The GTL seating position is a little more upright than the GT, but both are comfortable. But just cruising down the road, I'll take my Harley.
And I live in Germany. What do you want to do with an BMW 1600 in the States? This Bike is made to run always minimum 120mph to have fun. I think you will soon loose your drivers license :oops:
If I want to go (really) fast on the "Autobahn", I take the Porsche.
No Bike will be such comfortable as a Harley. Just my 2C
Post by: brassspike on July 28, 2014, 12:31:30 PM
Post by: Panhead_Jimmy on July 28, 2014, 03:10:06 PM
I have a 2013 GTL and still currently own a 2010.5 CVO Ultra and 2011 CVO Street Glide. The interesting thing is that I've sunk around $2k in performance upgrades in both (every) Harleys and they don't perform anywhere near the GTL. I've just sunk $2k in comfort items in the GTL and it's just now barely acceptable. Custom seat, highway pegs, adjustable Heli-Bars, and AeroFlow wind deflectors. Point is there is no perfect bike from the show room floor. I think you'll really like the GTL once you make it "yours".
I have about 18K miles and haven't had a single mechanical problem. I'd buy another GTL in a heartbeat.
Post by: CVOThunder on July 28, 2014, 05:12:32 PM
Post by: 05Train on July 28, 2014, 05:28:58 PM
This could get expensive.
Post by: SBB on July 28, 2014, 07:15:18 PM
Was thinking about a BMW as well but after reading some of their threads, I'll pass.
They make Goldwings in Blue!
:nixweiss:
SBB
Post by: MrSurly on July 28, 2014, 07:19:26 PM
Dammit, I just placed a call to the dealer.I guess you'll blame THIS on me as well..
This could get expensive.
:SneakyBastage:
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Post by: 05Train on July 28, 2014, 07:42:00 PM
I guess you'll blame THIS on me as well..Yes.
:SneakyBastage:
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Yes I will.
Post by: CVOThunder on July 28, 2014, 08:35:39 PM
They make Goldwings in Blue!
:nixweiss:
SBB
That they do but I'm pretty much done with Wings. Had a long run with them but my fandom has left. Guess if I just can't stand my current ride I'd consider it but I don't see that happening as I'm too jazzed about my CVO. Might have some inherent issues but nothing else rides and puts a smile on my face like the hog does. Took me awhile to figure it out, no hurry to leave.
Post by: SBB on July 28, 2014, 09:45:31 PM
That they do but I'm pretty much done with Wings. Had a long run with them but my fandom has left. Guess if I just can't stand my current ride I'd consider it but I don't see that happening as I'm too jazzed about my CVO. Might have some inherent issues but nothing else rides and puts a smile on my face like the hog does. Took me awhile to figure it out, no hurry to leave.
Since you have the best looking CVO ever made I can understand your position.
Just wanted to offer an option.
:2vrolijk_21:
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Post by: Wesleypalms on July 28, 2014, 09:58:53 PM
Post by: CVOThunder on July 28, 2014, 10:15:36 PM
Since you have the best looking CVO ever made I can understand your position.Yepper, recommendation understood along with perspective. We have some great beasts! Blue Man Group rocks!
Just wanted to offer an option.
:2vrolijk_21:
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Post by: 1abastarsmda on July 28, 2014, 10:38:00 PM
Post by: SBB on July 28, 2014, 10:51:01 PM
what do I do with the thousands of dollars of Harley riding gear I have, will my riding friends no longer want me to ride with them,
Wear it Dave.
Twice in the past month as we have left Maggie Valley headed toward Charlotte we have run up on Goldwings two up with both people wearing Harley jackets. No big deal Dave. You got it, wear it!
:2vrolijk_21:
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Post by: 05Train on July 29, 2014, 06:31:20 AM
Post by: YELLOWBIRD on July 29, 2014, 07:34:03 AM
Also not the same bike model, but same brand. BMW is giving you THREE options if you have one of these bikes with the recall.
Not sure how true, but I couldn't image Harley Davidson doing this!
:o
YB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oiPL7o4T4xY
Post by: grc on July 29, 2014, 08:44:10 AM
NO Hijack meant, thought you guys might like to see this BIG BOO-BOO with the 2014 BMW R1200RT Recall.
Also not the same bike model, but same brand. BMW is giving you THREE options if you have one of these bikes with the recall.
Not sure how true, but I couldn't image Harley Davidson doing this!
Absolutely no doubt in my mind that Harley would NEVER handle a recall like this. First, they'd sit on the entire issue at least six months before admitting they had a "potential" problem, then they'd spend another six months trying to find the cheapest possible method of "fixing" the problem, then they'd make customers fight them in court to receive compensation for loss of use, loss of resale value, etc.. There is no way, based on what they've done in the fifteen years I've been riding their products, they would ever come right out from the git-go and offer to buy back the bikes for full out-the-door price. That smacks of real customer service, which is something H-D management has no experience with.
Jerry
Post by: Jswerve on July 29, 2014, 08:59:52 AM
NO Hijack meant, thought you guys might like to see this BIG BOO-BOO with the 2014 BMW R1200RT Recall.
Also not the same bike model, but same brand. BMW is giving you THREE options if you have one of these bikes with the recall.
Not sure how true, but I couldn't image Harley Davidson doing this!
:o
YB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oiPL7o4T4xY
Wow! Wait? What? They are going to tailor the entire experience to the customers benefit? :2vrolijk_21: That sure isn't the HD branded way :nixweiss:
Post by: ultrarider123 on July 29, 2014, 09:16:19 AM
Absolutely no doubt in my mind that Harley would NEVER handle a recall like this. First, they'd sit on the entire issue at least six months before admitting they had a "potential" problem, then they'd spend another six months trying to find the cheapest possible method of "fixing" the problem, then they'd make customers fight them in court to receive compensation for loss of use, loss of resale value, etc.. There is no way, based on what they've done in the fifteen years I've been riding their products, they would ever come right out from the git-go and offer to buy back the bikes for full out-the-door price. That smacks of real customer service, which is something H-D management has no experience with.
Jerry
Hey Jerry, at least they've gotten it down to months instead of years. Timken bearings issues with the EVO that lasted 4 or so years in the mid 90's and the fiasco with the EG's ignition switches that lasted at least from 86 when they FINALLY put out the recall in 95 after everyone had already had their switches replaced on their dime. Just a couple of fine, "quality" control points and there are numerous others.
RUSHMORE my big old butt. I believe that slogan should be two words, not one and they've been doing that for decades....
Still enjoy my Harley and have enjoyed most of those I've had with many miles on all of them. I've never been stranded with any of these issues but had to ride with my hand on the ignition switch from Louisville, KY to Lexington, KY so it would stay running. Cheap bearings almost left me stranded but made it to the dealer just in time. Don't know if I would buy another one at this point. I'm planning on keeping Ginger for many, many years. When the 110 finally dies, I'll rebuild and keep going.
Post by: SBB on July 29, 2014, 09:25:04 AM
Wow! Wait? What? They are going to tailor the entire experience to the customers benefit? :2vrolijk_21: That sure isn't the HD branded way :nixweiss:
I watched the video.
Is that really a true offer from BMW?
Like the guy on the video said, it seems they have painted themselves in a corner.
SBB
Post by: Jswerve on July 29, 2014, 09:31:10 AM
I watched the video.It's on the Internet, it HAS to be true ;)
Is that really a true offer from BMW?
Like the guy on the video said, it seems they have painted themselves in a corner.
SBB
Post by: ultrarider123 on July 29, 2014, 09:39:52 AM
Report Receipt Date: JUN 12, 2014
NHTSA Campaign Number: 14V320000
Component(s):
Potential Number of Units Affected: 950
All Products Associated with this Recall
Vehicle MakeModelModel Year(s)BMWR1200 RT2014
Details
1 Associated Document
Manufacturer: BMW of North America, LLCSUMMARY:
BMW of North America, LLC (BMW) is recalling certain model year 2014 R1200 RT motorcycles manufactured November 27, 2013, to May 5, 2014. The affected vehicles have a Dynamic Electronic Suspension Adjustment (ESA) rear shock absorber. The piston rod within the rear shock absorber can break without warning, causing loss of stability.
CONSEQUENCE:
If the piston rod breaks it will cause loss of stability, increasing the risk of a vehicle crash.
REMEDY:
BMW will notify owners, and dealers will replace the Dynamic ESA shock absorber, free of charge. The recall is expected to begin in July 2014. Owners may contact BMW Customer Relations at 1-800-525-7417. Note: Owners are advised not to ride their motorcycles until they have been remedied.
NOTES:
Owners may also contact the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration Vehicle Safety Hotline at 1-888-327-4236 (TTY 1-800-424-9153), or go to www.safercar.gov.
Post by: ultrarider123 on July 29, 2014, 09:42:34 AM
BMW says they became aware of the situation on April 1, 2014 “through a warranty claim in France. It was noted that the piston rod of the rear shock absorber broke after approximately 700 miles, collapsing the rear suspension. The defective assembly from France was returned to the supplier for analysis. A second warranty claim occurred in Sweden on May 27, 2014 after approximately 1,500 miles.”
Further, “By May 30, 2014, slider tool drum endurance tests on production spring strut assemblies were conducted by the supplier, which replicated the failure observed in the two warranty claims.”
BMW says the recall should begin in July 2014 with dealers replacing the Dynamic ESA shock absorber, free of charge. Owners are still advised not to ride their motorcycles until they are repaired. Owners may contact BMW Customer Relations at 1-800-525-7417 or the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration Vehicle Safety Hotline at 1-888-327-4236 (TTY 1-800-424-9153), or go to www.safercar.gov and reference NHTSA Campaign Number: 14V320000
Now back to the regularly, scheduled discussion of the CVO Street Glide vs BMW K1600GTL now in progress.... ;D
Post by: SBB on July 29, 2014, 10:04:19 AM
It's on the Internet, it HAS to be true ;)
"Touche" there Jesse!
:2vrolijk_21:
SBB
Post by: 1abastarsmda on July 29, 2014, 08:06:25 PM
Post by: Jswerve on July 29, 2014, 10:30:05 PM
Here's the recall resolution chart: Like someone said, we'll never see Harley handle something this way.
That's amazing.
Post by: SDCVO on July 29, 2014, 10:33:25 PM
Post by: 05Train on July 29, 2014, 10:51:46 PM
Harley is the American BMW, BMW is the German Harley.
BMW generally has their $hit together a bit more, though they're more sticklerish when it comes to warranty work.
Post by: MrSurly on July 30, 2014, 07:54:24 AM
Having been a BMW rider for a year and a half, and getting ready to be one again
So...
It's official now?
(Still not my fault)
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Post by: 05Train on July 30, 2014, 08:11:59 AM
So...Stock shocks, mufflers, seat, windshield, etc are back on the CVO. Numbers are looking favorable. If they don't piss me off when we get down to brass tacks, there'll be one of these sharing the garage with Vader.
It's official now?
(Still not my fault)
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f229/rthomp159/2013-BMW-K1600GTL4_zpsa53a8655.jpg) (http://s48.photobucket.com/user/rthomp159/media/2013-BMW-K1600GTL4_zpsa53a8655.jpg.html)
I just got tired trying to make the CVO be something it's not. The GTL is just as comfortable, and it's dynamically a better bike than any Harley will ever be, no matter how much money you or I throw at it.
Post by: spook120 on July 30, 2014, 07:53:12 PM
Post by: FLY-DOG on July 30, 2014, 08:00:16 PM
Post by: spook120 on July 30, 2014, 09:03:39 PM
Post by: 05Train on July 30, 2014, 09:11:09 PM
Once it's moving, there isn't much better out there.
BTW, I pick up the K16 tomorrow.....
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Post by: SDCVO on July 30, 2014, 10:34:38 PM
Post by: lilcoot on July 30, 2014, 10:37:54 PM
Post by: Trapperdog on July 30, 2014, 10:53:46 PM
Post by: backroad Mike on July 31, 2014, 08:49:39 AM
That's awesome, Train! Congrats on your new toy. I'd love to hear your thoughts after you've ridden it a few miles. I hope the speeding tickets don't dampen your enthusiasm.
As long as he's not going through Ohio, he should be okay. :D
Congrats Russ.
Post by: 05Train on July 31, 2014, 10:33:37 PM
The riding position is damn near identical to the Ultra, my feet are maybe an inch further back. The bars are much, much narrower than the 575s I had on the Ultra. And damn is it quiet, which is nice.
I need highway pegs and a windshield with a recurve. The seat seems too soft, but it'll take a long ride to really tell. Otherwise it's a 160hp beast that even keeping it under 5,000rpm will tug the front wheel off the ground and run like stink. And with dead-stock suspension rides better than my Ultra with JRI shocks, a CCE triple tree, and Ricor Intiminators.....And not just a little better.
So I'm happy. It's a helluva machine.
Post by: CTcvorider on July 31, 2014, 11:27:53 PM
Post by: Jswerve on August 01, 2014, 06:30:04 AM
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 01, 2014, 07:29:56 AM
The two bikes satisfy slightly differing urges and both do a good job. It's not a question of which is better, but which scratches your particular itch best.
Very well said and so true.
Train, congrats on your new bimmer. Many happy, trouble free miles to you, brother
Post by: D-N-D on August 01, 2014, 08:44:09 AM
Post by: 05Train on August 01, 2014, 09:24:54 AM
The two bikes satisfy slightly differing urges and both do a good job. It's not a question of which is better, but which scratches your particular itch best.This really sums it up well. Riding the two bikes back-to-back, it's a very different riding experience. Neither is bad. From my experience with the RT and GS/A, the Beemers are more playful bikes that take more rider input on the highway. The Harleys don't dance as well in the mountains but are far more stable at cruise.
In the Ultra/K16 Venn diagram, there's a decent amount of crossover, but it's exploring the outer edges that makes the differences really stand out.
Post by: SBB on August 01, 2014, 09:42:55 AM
Glad you guys are happy. I just can't get past the looks. Rubber side down fellas.
:nervous: :nervous: :nervous:
I'm worried, I'm thinking the same as Jesse!
Maybe the best part,
There are BMW forums for people with BMW's.
What a novel idea.
;D
SBB
Post by: Jswerve on August 01, 2014, 09:43:32 AM
:nervous: :nervous: :nervous:Hehe
I'm worried, I'm thinking the same as Jesse!
Maybe the best part,
There are BMW forums for people with BMW's.
What a novel idea.
;D
SBB
Post by: Black Diamond on August 01, 2014, 10:11:14 AM
JW
Post by: 05Train on August 01, 2014, 10:29:45 AM
Nice scooter Train. Rode my buddy's 1600GT (which he is selling if anyone is interested) Lots to like but not for me for longer rides. Good to compare and keep an open mind on what's going on in the motorcycle world or thing get stale. JMO.Yeah, I can't fold myself up enough to get comfortable on the GT.
Post by: Panhead_Jimmy on August 01, 2014, 11:20:09 AM
:nervous: :nervous: :nervous:
Maybe the best part,
There are BMW forums for people with BMW's.
What a novel idea.
;D
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Ironically, the BMW forums detest the Harley guys as much as visa-versa. Go figure. :-\ In the immortal words of a cultural icon: "Can't we all just get along?" :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: Jswerve on August 01, 2014, 11:28:42 AM
Ironically, the BMW forums detest the Harley guys as much as visa-versa. Go figure. :-\ In the immortal words of a cultural icon: "Can't we all just get along?" :2vrolijk_21:I personally don't care what you tour the country on i just ask that you engage me in conversation when we cross paths and wave when i ride by.
Post by: SBB on August 01, 2014, 11:41:02 AM
In the immortal words of a cultural icon: "Can't we all just get along?" :2vrolijk_21:
So that's the issue?
Rodney was looking for a Hyundai Forum when he was pulled over.
Thanks Jimmy, you have enlightened me!
;)
SBB
Post by: MrSurly on August 01, 2014, 12:07:32 PM
Maybe the best part,
There are BMW forums for people with BMW's.
What a novel idea.
SBB
Considering that the title of this thread is "CVO Street Glide vs BMW K1600GTL", it would seem to me that posting up in a specifically titled Harley/Beemer discussion thread and suggesting the Beemer owner GTFO is being quite the Snarky
But that's just my opinion.
Certainly, it is a topic within the CVO general, but it's a topic that is clearly labeled. There is no need for anyone to feel invaded and defensive.
Just look at the title and elect to click elsewhere so you'll " hear no evil"
I personally like the looks of the GTL though I don't care for any of their other offerings.
Edit: note that MANY BMW owners are also HD owners including those in this discussion.
Edit: anatomical reference removed
Post by: Panhead_Jimmy on August 01, 2014, 12:35:59 PM
Post by: Jswerve on August 01, 2014, 12:41:57 PM
Post by: 110tHunDer on August 01, 2014, 12:42:14 PM
What title does calling someone a "Snarky dickhead" for expressing their opinion earn you? I can think of a few. Just sayin' ...
Post by: SBB on August 01, 2014, 01:52:05 PM
Considering that the title of this thread is "CVO Street Glide vs BMW K1600GTL", it would seem to me that posting up in a specifically titled Harley/Beemer discussion thread and suggesting the Beemer owner GTFO is being quite the Snarky dickhead.
But that's just my opinion.
Certainly, it is a topic within the CVO general, but it's a topic that is clearly labeled. There is no need for anyone to feel invaded and defensive.
Just look at the title and elect to click elsewhere so you'll " hear no evil"
I personally like the looks of the GTL though I don't care for any of their other offerings.
Edit: note that MANY BMW owners are also HD owners including those in this discussion.
OK Mr. Surley
Your response is posted and we all know how you feel. I hope you feel better getting that off your chest.
I myself feel better now knowing that Jimmy understands what GTFO means.
So at least your post wasn't totally useless. (at least in my opinion)
As far as you, it's people like you that don't have a clue about the person posting that takes a comment and warp it to mean what you think is being said.
So being the politically correct person I am let me express my point again.
If you want to know about BMW's go to a BMW forum, if you want to know about Goldwings go to a Goldwing forum.
If you want to know about CVO Harley's go to CVO Harley.com.
That may be more that you can comprehend but for a snarky dickhead it seems fairly simple.
What title does calling someone a "Snarky dickhead" for expressing their opinion earn you? I can think of a few. Just sayin' ...
Maybe he's just trying to get his 15 minutes of fame.
And if he's going to call names he might as well get it right, it's Mr. Snarky Dickhead.
:huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
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Post by: MrSurly on August 01, 2014, 02:02:49 PM
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 01, 2014, 02:44:35 PM
Chip, I like you adding the Mr. to it.....really makes it sound prophesional and all.... :huepfenlol2: :2vrolijk_21:
Come on, guys. Are we gonna have to get the big paddle out here? Oh wait, we don't paddle anymore. OK, are we gonna have to use the "firm" voice here?.... :drink:
I love this forum..... :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: 05Train on August 01, 2014, 03:11:55 PM
I personally don't care what you tour the country on i just ask that you engage me in conversation when we cross paths and wave when i ride by.Really the only important thing here. I couldn't care any less what anyone rides. Let's just go ride.
Post by: Jswerve on August 01, 2014, 03:20:25 PM
Really the only important thing here. I couldn't care any less what anyone rides. Let's just go ride.Amen.
Post by: Charlie on August 01, 2014, 03:37:18 PM
And today don't have the BMW!
I have a stable with many bikes in it, a 1930s indian, a 1963 BSA, two CVO,s and a Ducati 1199s! all these bikes all have one thing in common, they all have a soul! you don't have to ride them hard, you don't have to ride them fast, you just ride them and every time you do it brings a smile to your face and forget the chit you have to deal with from day to day.
The BMW was probably the best motorcycle I owned but had no soul, no history and no feeling so it had to go because lets all be honest, if it was a means of transport we were talking about we would all just drive cars!!!
Post by: Black Diamond on August 01, 2014, 03:58:15 PM
Yeah, I can't fold myself up enough to get comfortable on the GT.
Yep. I did a short test ride on the GTL when 1st introduced. Seemed nice. Rode GT and lost all interest. Need a longer ride on a GTL for a better comparison.
I've been over on the BMW site for a while. The comments and post are remarkably similar to any Harley site. Members helping each other out with what are becoming known issues. Same "They all do that" answer too.
JW
Jwerve Help a brother out: LBVS?
Post by: Jswerve on August 01, 2014, 03:58:42 PM
I have owned both!You lucky bastard!
And today don't have the BMW!
I have a stable with many bikes in it, a 1930s indian, a 1963 BSA, two CVO,s and a Ducati 1199s! all these bikes all have one thing in common, they all have a soul! you don't have to ride them hard, you don't have to ride them fast, you just ride them and every time you do it brings a smile to your face and forget the chit you have to deal with from day to day.
The BMW was probably the best motorcycle I owned but had no soul, no history and no feeling so it had to go because lets all be honest, if it was a means of transport we were talking about we would all just drive cars!!!
Post by: Charlie on August 01, 2014, 04:18:04 PM
You lucky bastard!Yep, I suppose I am! that's only the bikes and not the cars!
But I really do love the days when I jump on the first bike I ever purchased with my own hard earned cash! a 1969 royal enfield 350 bullet, it breaks down every time I ride it and every time I get it running again is like losing my virginity! not many things in life can give you that feeling! that's why we ride bikes is is it not? get a bus, get a train, they all make more sense! but we don't! we ride!!!!!!
Post by: phato1 on August 01, 2014, 04:56:20 PM
The wife and i rode one last year and it's a nice bike. One problem with it was the wife hated the pillion seat, she felt the position was too much higher than the rider portion and the slope of the seat was wrong for her. Long story short....no BMW for me -- except maybe that 1000RR thingy cause she wouldn't ride on the back of that one anyway.
Post by: 05Train on August 01, 2014, 05:19:18 PM
Train, congrats on the new ride.Funny, my wife actually likes sitting up higher since she's so short (5'2"). Her issue is with the top box....It's too far back. I think I'm gonna replace the mount with the one from the GT which moves it 2" closer.
The wife and i rode one last year and it's a nice bike. One problem with it was the wife hated the pillion seat, she felt the position was too much higher than the rider portion and the slope of the seat was wrong for her. Long story short....no BMW for me -- except maybe that 1000RR thingy cause she wouldn't ride on the back of that one anyway.
Post by: Panhead_Jimmy on August 01, 2014, 05:28:19 PM
Funny, my wife actually likes sitting up higher since she's so short (5'2").
My BSR loves the seating on both the GTL and the CVOs. 'Course, she doesn't complain much about anything, which is not the same as "doesn't have an opinion". She definitely has opinions. :furious3:
Post by: Jswerve on August 01, 2014, 06:13:27 PM
Yep, I suppose I am! that's only the bikes and not the cars!A guy at work just bought a brand new version of the Royal Enfield.
But I really do love the days when I jump on the first bike I ever purchased with my own hard earned cash! a 1969 royal enfield 350 bullet, it breaks down every time I ride it and every time I get it running again is like losing my virginity! not many things in life can give you that feeling! that's why we ride bikes is is it not? get a bus, get a train, they all make more sense! but we don't! we ride!!!!!!
Btw who's money are you spending now? Lol
LBVS is laughing but very serious. Learned from my kids lol.
Post by: YELLOWBIRD on August 01, 2014, 06:26:26 PM
My first real girlfriend father when I was a young lad had a basement full of BMW's, and All kinds of Brits motorcycles. Over half the bikes (15 to 20 bikes) that I remember were all German!
Good luck with your new toy!
YB
Post by: CVO2FIXUP on August 01, 2014, 08:38:32 PM
Yep. I did a short test ride on the GTL when 1st introduced. Seemed nice. Rode GT and lost all interest. Need a longer ride on a GTL for a better comparison.
I've been over on the BMW site for a while. The comments and post are remarkably similar to any Harley site. Members helping each other out with what are becoming known issues. Same "They all do that" answer too.
JW
Jwerve Help a brother out: LBVS?
So on these BMW forums, are there many who are switching to Harley? Or is this phenomenon on the Harley forums only.
PS, rode the 2014 R 1200 GS yesterday. Bike is tight, fast and very smooth. Very addictive to flog around. Was jumping curbs and wheeling over speed bumps. Guy spent $25,000 for a fully loaded GS. So I came to a realization, we all need 2 bikes. A Beeeemer and a bad ass HD.
Post by: phato1 on August 01, 2014, 09:04:45 PM
PS, rode the 2014 R 1200 GS yesterday. Bike is tight, fast and very smooth. Very addictive to flog around. Was jumping curbs and wheeling over speed bumps. Guy spent $25,000 for a fully loaded GS. So I came to a realization, we all need 2 bikes. A Beeeemer and a bad ass HD.
Make it three - two badass HD's and a Ducati :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: 1abastarsmda on August 01, 2014, 09:33:45 PM
Post by: MrSurly on August 01, 2014, 09:55:19 PM
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Post by: 05Train on August 01, 2014, 09:56:20 PM
Once I get a few miles on the bike I'll do a full-on comparison. The short version though is that both the CVO and the GTL are great bikes....Just different tools to do similar jobs.
JW - The GS is one of the most fun bikes you can ride. I had an Adventure prior to the CVO and it made me feel like a kid again. That bike was just stupid fun. I'd love to have another one. If I could only afford three bikes......
Post by: SBB on August 01, 2014, 10:23:34 PM
If I get a BMW, one of my friends here already told me he'll slap the crap out of me.
Dave, just for the record, your post above confirms that you have at least two friends on this site.
Me and the friend you posted about above.
;D
We going to see you in the Valley? I have a road you need to ride?
SBB
Post by: SDCVO on August 01, 2014, 10:32:25 PM
I do not think its ugly and actually do think its beautiful and certainly had my hands full last weekend trying to keep up with all my co workers on their BMW's. They were complaining all day how loud my bike and my stereo was and I just smiled and said "yes it is"...
Post by: Charlie on August 01, 2014, 11:50:39 PM
A guy at work just bought a brand new version of the Royal Enfield.Love all bikes,
Btw who's money are you spending now? Lol
LBVS is laughing but very serious. Learned from my kids lol.
Every dollar I spend on toys, I have worked for!
I'm the GM for a company that employs 60,000 poeple so as you can imagine! toys are plenty!
Very simple, no time + no children = more toys to play with at the weekend!
We all make sacrifices in one way or another!
Post by: 1abastarsmda on August 02, 2014, 04:02:33 AM
Dave, just for the record, your post above confirms that you have at least two friends on this site.
Me and the friend you posted about above.
;D
We going to see you in the Valley? I have a road you need to ride?
SBB
The other friend I was talking about is someone "here", as in Pittsburgh. I'm hoping to be able to make it to Maggie Valley, and I've been talking to a few friends from here (Pittsburgh) about getting them to go this year also. I won't know whether I'll be able to make it for a few more weeks though. I'm very likely to be having surgery sometime very soon and I'll know a date after my appointment in 2 weeks. It's nothing life threatening, but nonetheless necessary.
Post by: Jswerve on August 02, 2014, 05:59:49 AM
Love all bikes,Charlie can you take my kids for a week and I'll take your toys? :)
Every dollar I spend on toys, I have worked for!
I'm the GM for a company that employs 60,000 poeple so as you can imagine! toys are plenty!
Very simple, no time + no children = more toys to play with at the weekend!
We all make sacrifices in one way or another!
Post by: Simpleman1025 on August 02, 2014, 08:04:12 AM
Actually, I've been looking at doing the same. I'm going to test ride the K1600 GTL "Exclusive"with all the bells and whistles. I currently have a 2013 CVO Road King. Not sure if I want to keep it or trade it. My Harley has not given me any troubles at all, except tires and some heat issues in traffic. Who knows when I throw my leg over it, it may be love or not.
I'm looking forward to your future post on how you like your new ride.
One more thing I can say, I joined the K1600 forum to get advice and some knowledge of the product. On this site when you introduce yourself, you get tons of replies. On that site in a week I've only received 2 replies
Post by: phato1 on August 02, 2014, 09:42:09 AM
Charlie can you take my kids for a week and I'll take your toys? :)
Never mind that, he can adopt me and then while he's off working I can use his toys.
Post by: Jswerve on August 02, 2014, 09:43:04 AM
Never mind that, he can adopt me and then while he's off working I can use his toys.Damn why didn't i think of that?
Post by: Fired00d on August 02, 2014, 10:06:50 AM
Never mind that, he can adopt me and then while he's off working I can use his toys.That's what I was thinking... hell... I'd even detail them too. :D :D
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: Charlie on August 02, 2014, 10:20:39 AM
Damn why didn't i think of that?:2vrolijk_21: :)
Post by: 05Train on August 02, 2014, 11:16:12 AM
One more thing I can say, I joined the K1600 forum to get advice and some knowledge of the product. On this site when you introduce yourself, you get tons of replies. On that site in a week I've only received 2 repliesYeah, there's a lot less traffic on the K16 site, and there are a ton of sexual intellectuals over there.
Post by: 1abastarsmda on August 02, 2014, 03:43:37 PM
Post by: CVOThunder on August 02, 2014, 04:01:41 PM
:2vrolijk_21: :)
Heck what kind of business is this. I wouldn't mind working in Dubai vs Afghanistan. Go there to travel to different places but haven't taken vacation there...yet.
Post by: 05Train on August 02, 2014, 06:25:18 PM
Well, I went to the BMW dealer today. They had a 1600 GTL Exclusive that just came in and in the shop being put together, and already sold. They didn't have one I could even sit on. I did sit on a 1600 GT, which I guess sits a little higher and the seating and handlebar positions are a little different, but if it's anything close to the GT, I don't think it's what I am looking for. I felt like I was sitting on a crotch rocket with an upright seating position. I may try to get up there another time when they have one I can take for a ride, but my initial guess is that I'll be concentrating on the 2015 Harley lineup for a choice of my next bike.Riding position is very different. The GT's bars are shorter and the pegs are set 2" or so farther back. The GTL has me slightly forward with my feet underneath me. For reference, I'm 6'2" tall with a 34" inseam and I'm comfortable. It's darn close to the position on an Ultra with stock bars, assuming you slide your feet to the back of the boards.
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Post by: bigdave110 on August 02, 2014, 11:03:29 PM
It seems pretty nice.
Just not sure it would fit an old fat guy. lol
I have not rode a bike with pegs for some time now, or in that upright position, not sure I could stand that seating position for a long period of time.
Just thinking out loud here.
Big Dave
Post by: 1abastarsmda on August 03, 2014, 01:02:22 AM
I have been doing a bit of reading on this bike.
It seems pretty nice.
Just not sure it would fit an old fat guy. lol
I have not rode a bike with pegs for some time now, or in that upright position, not sure I could stand that seating position for a long period of time.
Just thinking out loud here.
Big Dave
I am used to my feet sitting out in front of my knees. On the GT that I sat on today, my feet felt like they were behind my knees or maybe directly below, but still I'm not used to having to bend my knees that far when I'm riding. I'm always seeing these guys on sport bikes riding along, standing part way on the pegs and shaking one leg at a time off the pegs. Now I understand why. If that's the actual setup on the GTL, I don't think I'd be riding more than 50 miles before I would have to take a break. You're a lot bigger than me Dave, so I think it would be even worse for you. I'm still surprised that we haven't crossed paths yet being so close by. Actually, I thought you lived out around Mt Pleasant or something out that way but I noticed that you are real close.
Post by: 1abastarsmda on August 03, 2014, 01:06:02 AM
Post by: 05Train on August 03, 2014, 09:52:37 AM
One other thing that's taking some getting used to is the complete lack of driveline inertia. It's like there's no flywheel. Blip the throttle to downshift and the motor pops up to 6000rpm. Poke the throttle while you're riding along and the bike just takes off. It's a big learning curve shifting the bike smoothly. The boxer twin I had in the Adventure wasn't at all like this.
Post by: bigdave110 on August 03, 2014, 12:08:23 PM
I am used to my feet sitting out in front of my knees. On the GT that I sat on today, my feet felt like they were behind my knees or maybe directly below, but still I'm not used to having to bend my knees that far when I'm riding. I'm always seeing these guys on sport bikes riding along, standing part way on the pegs and shaking one leg at a time off the pegs. Now I understand why. If that's the actual setup on the GTL, I don't think I'd be riding more than 50 miles before I would have to take a break. You're a lot bigger than me Dave, so I think it would be even worse for you. I'm still surprised that we haven't crossed paths yet being so close by. Actually, I thought you lived out around Mt Pleasant or something out that way but I noticed that you are real close.
I used to live in Mt Pleasant. lol
We spoke about this before, so you are right.
Moved to Murrysville just a few months ago.
It is much closer to work.
Wife works at Cochran and I teach at Rosedale Tech, so are commute is waaaay shorter.
I'm sure one day we will cross paths, you wont be able to miss me, 6'4 350 plus.
Just a little guy. lmao
Big Dave
Post by: grc on August 03, 2014, 01:50:27 PM
It's all in what you get used to. I rode Japanese bikes for thirty years before buying my first Harley, and initially I hated the control layout on the Harley and it took me awhile to make the transition but I did. The same will be true for people switching from a Harley to a European or Japanese bike. When you get too old or hardheaded to learn new things, then perhaps making a change isn't a good idea. Otherwise, I say go for it.
Btw, I still think the Harley turn signal setup stinks versus the one switch on the clutch side that I had on those other bikes. When you have a short thumb on the right side like I do, keeping the throttle steady while hitting the right turn button can be a bitch. I had to make an extension to mine so I could do it easily. And the footboard thing wasn't exactly the easiest transition either. I still like mid controls with pegs. In other words, I'm not your typical Barcalounger rider, laying back with my feet forward and up. There's a very good reason why you don't see that arrangement on bikes used for racing or other serious high speed work.
JMHO - Jerry
Post by: Steve Cole on August 03, 2014, 03:55:34 PM
HD has you covered now! You just need to get the new "Street" version and you can get the turn signals all on one switch on the clutch side :nervous:
Post by: Jswerve on August 03, 2014, 04:30:39 PM
Jerry
HD has you covered now! You just need to get the new "Street" version and you can get the turn signals all on one switch on the clutch side :nervous:
Post by: grc on August 03, 2014, 04:49:15 PM
Jerry
HD has you covered now! You just need to get the new "Street" version and you can get the turn signals all on one switch on the clutch side :nervous:
HOT DAMN! I'll go over to my "friendly" dealer first thing tomorrow and let him fix me right up (when pigs really do fly) .
Jerry ;D
Post by: Steve Cole on August 03, 2014, 05:07:32 PM
Post by: 05Train on August 03, 2014, 06:33:36 PM
Post by: 05Train on August 03, 2014, 08:19:01 PM
OK, here's the way it fits.....
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Not a huge difference, though your feet are further behind you. I've got highway pegs on order, so this is really a non-issue.
Anyway in "Rain" mode ("Harley" mode) it approximates the power that my CVO made. With 200 pounds less to haul around and a much more aerodynamic shape, it flat-out flies. The brakes are stellar. The A-arm front end allows no dive in the corners at all, and the paralever rear suspension keeps stuff in line no matter what. Even with the reduced power I was 20-30mph faster through the corners on familiar roads....And this is on an unfamiliar bike. Once I get in sync with it and go full power it'll be 40-50mph quicker. This thing flat-out defies the laws of physics.
Nicely enough, at the reduced power setting, it's perfectly comfortable cruising along at the speed limit and being a platform for sightseeing. The only real bother (if you can call it that) is that there's zero flywheel effect. Pull the clutch in and the revs drop like a stone. Blip the throttle to downshift and it zings up to redline.
But damn.....Why is it that no one other than Harley can figure out self-cancelling turn signals?
Post by: 1abastarsmda on August 03, 2014, 08:47:44 PM
Post by: Jswerve on August 03, 2014, 09:19:46 PM
Post by: 05Train on August 03, 2014, 09:29:59 PM
Post by: Jswerve on August 03, 2014, 09:54:25 PM
I'll have to snap some pictures once the highway pegs show up.
I just realized my sig pic shows exactly how I ride lol.
Post by: 1abastarsmda on August 03, 2014, 10:04:16 PM
I'll have to snap some pictures once the highway pegs show up.
There's quite a distance between the footpegs and where the engine guard goes on that bike. I don't think my feet would make it very long on pegs for either position, and I don't think floorboards would look to appropriate for the highway position on that bike.
Post by: maac16324 on August 04, 2014, 03:05:17 AM
Post by: 05Train on August 04, 2014, 07:55:06 AM
I have both. Bought a 2012 1600 GTL when they first came out. I have had a 2009 CVO UC, 2010 Limited, 2013 CVO UC and two 2014 CVO UC's ... One in Canada and one in NZ. Have about 15,000 miles on the BMW and tens of thousands of miles on my Harley's. My take on the BMW is that it has amazing performance. BUT .... After about 100 miles your body is begging to get off of it. Riding the BMW for long distances is torture. I have about $3k in modifying the seat and riding position. My Harley's can be ridden comfortably for 4-600 miles a day .... Day after day after day in reasonable comfort. Expect to get between 5 and 7,000 miles out of a set of tires on the BMW before they are COMPLETELY worn out ... Down to the steel treads. Don't even consider finding a set of replacement tires for the BMW on the road unless you are in a major city. The GTL is gigantic! VERY tall and VERY tippy. Don't even consider it unless you are over 6 feet and muscular. Don't worry about the GTL being stolen because the average rider couldn't even consider riding it. The elaborate bag system on the GTL holds about 35% less than my CVO UC's. Less if you use the bag liners. My take on the GTL is that it is a perfect touring bike in Europe where a big day on the road is 185 miles. In North America, forget about it! Even with the GTL's amazing performance ... And it is amazing, my CVO UC will beat it from Seattle to Sturgis by two days. There is more to touring than blistering performance. Harley has touring in North America Down pat and the GTL is a very distant fifth behind Harley, Indian, Victory, and Honda. Just my .02 based on experience.Now that's interesting (and yet another reason why there are 31 flavors). I was on the bike for 5-1/2 hours yesterday, only time I got off was to pee. The riding position is good for me, and will be better when I've got highway pegs. The seat isn't nearly as bad as the torture device that came on the GS/A.....If I was 20 pounds lighter it'd probably be fine.
I don't really feel the tippiness either, but I rode by myself yesterday and without the top box.
Post by: maac16324 on August 04, 2014, 09:52:49 AM
Post by: Dan_Lockwood on August 04, 2014, 10:39:42 AM
HOT DAMN! I'll go over to my "friendly" dealer first thing tomorrow and let him fix me right up (when pigs really do fly) .
Jerry ;D
(http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL846/863774/1562785/320983323.jpg)
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Post by: MrSurly on August 04, 2014, 01:00:46 PM
<snip> From another thread
So pictured below is my latest purchase. <GoldWing pic>
Is this a thread to discuss whether a Wing is better or worse that our CVO's? Nope. The best I can tell after 500 miles is that they are different. I have friends with both CVO's and Wings and they love both.
So think what you like, ride what you want, but know I'm having fun regardless of what bike I'm on.
To those offended by my posting about a Wing on a CVO site, get a life.
SBB
Absolutely GOLDEN! Thanks, man, for clearing that up.
Post by: grc on August 04, 2014, 01:32:33 PM
(http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL846/863774/1562785/320983323.jpg)
(http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL846/863774/1562785/320983316.jpg)
Good try Dan, but I don't think that meets my very strict definition of a "flying pig". I loved the attempt though.
Jerry ;D
Post by: SBB on August 04, 2014, 02:15:15 PM
Absolutely GOLDEN! Thanks, man, for clearing that up.
As has been established you pick and chose the words from a post to get the most impact you can.
People see through that.
What I posted was,
To those offended by my posting about a Wing on a CVO site, get a life. I will be the first to tell you if you want to know about a Wing, join a Wing forum, I did. If you want to know about an Aprilia, join an Aprilia forum, I did. If you want to be a part of the best forum on the internet, well guys (and ladies) CVOHarley is my choice.
SBB
Post away there surly, your post make the case for pettiness much better than anyone else can!
SBB
Post by: 05Train on August 04, 2014, 06:18:53 PM
The bike cruises really well at 70mph. Hands-off the bars and it tracks absolutely straight.
Took the long way home through the backroads of central MD. Very familiar territory, and I was again impressed at how well this bike goes about its business. On a winding road you can just leave the thing in 3rd or 4th gear, and as long as you stay above 1,500rpm there's a bottomless well of torque.
The only gripes I have are relatively minor.
I've gotten very used to not using a key to start my bike. BMW is way behind the curve on this one. Same thing with the turn signals. Why is it that Harley seems to be the only company that can figure self-canceling out? And the stock tires suck. They're scrubbed in good, but still feel greasy.
Post by: Furmon on August 08, 2014, 04:11:59 PM
Post by: FLY-DOG on August 08, 2014, 07:25:30 PM
I've decided to keep my CVO Street Glide after thinking about it. The K1600GTL is a great bike but it doesn't fit my riding style. I went out today and ordered a tour pack for my bike. The paint for the 2011 CVO's is going to become obsolete when the new models come out this month. My dealer happened to be having a 20% off sale this weekend so it worked out good. Tried to attach picture but it is to big.
Good for you! I have the mid size tour-pak painted factory CVO colors to match my 2012 CVO SG and couldn't be happier. You can mount the tour-pak on a quick detach mount and take it off when you want.
Post by: phato1 on August 08, 2014, 08:25:52 PM
I've decided to keep my CVO Street Glide after thinking about it. The K1600GTL is a great bike but it doesn't fit my riding style. I went out today and ordered a tour pack for my bike. The paint for the 2011 CVO's is going to become obsolete when the new models come out this month. My dealer happened to be having a 20% off sale this weekend so it worked out good. Tried to attach picture but it is to big.
Am I understanding you correctly that those of us with 11 - or in my case 11.5 CVO's will not be able to get factory painted parts - or does this just mean that the long wait for painted parts will just get a lot longer ??? kinda makes me glad I've been searching for and hoarding painted parts off of ebay for my 11.5.
Sorry for the :jack:
Post by: Furmon on August 09, 2014, 01:44:02 PM
Post by: 05Train on August 09, 2014, 06:57:59 PM
Likes
- Adjustable levers. Sounds like a silly little thing, but a tiny adjustment in where the clutch and brake levers are makes a world of difference. I can now two-finger the brake while still working the throttle, and I've shortened the clutch pull enough that it got rid of the jerkiness I was feeling.
- Power windshield. Love it. Every bike should have one.
- Mirrors. They're mounted way up on the fairing, but with them up there I can finally see all the way behind me without moving my head. Again, a little thing that makes a big difference.
- The Magical Wonder Wheel. I can access any information or suspension adjustments without taking my hands off the grips. Super intuitive system too.
- All three bags come off in less than 2 minutes. And the bike looks good without them.
- The suspension. I don't think about it, it just rides and tracks beautifully. Road gets rough, switch it to "Comfort". Wanna ride like a hooligan, switch it to "Sport". Bike hasn't bottomed out once, and nothing has jarred me out of the seat.
- The power. It's everywhere, even in the low-power "Rain" mode. Shifting isn't necessary. I can literally leave it in 3rd gear from a dead-stop up to about 70mph.
Not So Much
- No locking kickstand. Just dumb not to have one.
- No self-canceling turn signals. These things aren't rocket science.
- Key has to stay in the ignition. I'm spoiled, I guess.
- Luggage space. Not as much as the Ultra. Not a whole lot less, but still.
- Side-opening saddlebags. Sure, they look all swoopy, but they dump your stuff out when you open them.
- The top box rocks back and forth on the mount. Not a lot, but it does move. Makes me wary of mounting a luggage rack on top.
- The transmission is clunkier than I'd expected.
Other than that, this thing is a dream. I added an engine guard with highway pegs, got a new windshield with a recurve coming, and I scored a taller 2-piece seat on Ebay. Looking forward to getting it back and being able to let this thing run at full power.
More to come.
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Post by: kiro on August 09, 2014, 08:38:50 PM
Post by: CVOThunder on August 09, 2014, 10:30:32 PM
Am I understanding you correctly that those of us with 11 - or in my case 11.5 CVO's will not be able to get factory painted parts - or does this just mean that the long wait for painted parts will just get a lot longer ??? kinda makes me glad I've been searching for and hoarding painted parts off of ebay for my 11.5.
Sorry for the :jack:
That would suck.
Post by: FLY-DOG on August 10, 2014, 12:22:07 PM
My dealer told me the 2011 paint codes go obsolete when the 2015 models are announced, the parts guy told me this. Not sure what this means, said I wouldn't be able to get a tour pack in the 2011 paint style. Makes you wonder what happens if you have a wreck and need replacement painted parts. Might of been trying to make sure I ordered tour pack. I was going to get it anyway so it made no difference to me.
Why is that a problem when you can send parts to Xtreme Dimension and get them painted to the factory CVO color scheme?
Post by: Jswerve on August 10, 2014, 04:01:50 PM
Why is that a problem when you can send parts to Xtreme Dimension and get them painted to the factory CVO color scheme?
I was thinking the same thing lol :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: 05Train on August 10, 2014, 04:27:48 PM
I was thinking the same thing lol :2vrolijk_21:Insurance work would probably be the only issue. Though maybe not.
Sent from my iPad, probably while I'm pooping.
Post by: 1abastarsmda on August 10, 2014, 04:48:42 PM
Dropped the bike off at the dealer today for the 600 mile service. Still too early for a full report, but I'm feeling verbose....
Likes
- Adjustable levers. Sounds like a silly little thing, but a tiny adjustment in where the clutch and brake levers are makes a world of difference. I can now two-finger the brake while still working the throttle, and I've shortened the clutch pull enough that it got rid of the jerkiness I was feeling.
- Power windshield. Love it. Every bike should have one.
- Mirrors. They're mounted way up on the fairing, but with them up there I can finally see all the way behind me without moving my head. Again, a little thing that makes a big difference.
- The Magical Wonder Wheel. I can access any information or suspension adjustments without taking my hands off the grips. Super intuitive system too.
- All three bags come off in less than 2 minutes. And the bike looks good without them.
- The suspension. I don't think about it, it just rides and tracks beautifully. Road gets rough, switch it to "Comfort". Wanna ride like a hooligan, switch it to "Sport". Bike hasn't bottomed out once, and nothing has jarred me out of the seat.
- The power. It's everywhere, even in the low-power "Rain" mode. Shifting isn't necessary. I can literally leave it in 3rd gear from a dead-stop up to about 70mph.
Not So Much
- No locking kickstand. Just dumb not to have one.
- No self-canceling turn signals. These things aren't rocket science.
- Key has to stay in the ignition. I'm spoiled, I guess.
- Luggage space. Not as much as the Ultra. Not a whole lot less, but still.
- Side-opening saddlebags. Sure, they look all swoopy, but they dump your stuff out when you open them.
- The top box rocks back and forth on the mount. Not a lot, but it does move. Makes me wary of mounting a luggage rack on top.
- The transmission is clunkier than I'd expected.
Other than that, this thing is a dream. I added an engine guard with highway pegs, got a new windshield with a recurve coming, and I scored a taller 2-piece seat on Ebay. Looking forward to getting it back and being able to let this thing run at full power.
More to come.
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I finally got a chance to sit on a K1600GTL. I sat on it while on the center stand talking to the salesman for a few minutes. That was all it took for me...my legs were tired after just sitting there for a few minutes. Performance or not, if I'm not comfortable sitting on a bike, it's not for me.
To 05Train...if you would have waited a few more weeks for the 2015 model, they have the keyless setup available like on the Exclusive model. If you would have gone for the Exclusive model though, you wouldn't even be able to remove the tourpak...it's not removable. Anyway, I'm glad you are enjoying it. I sat on a 2008 K1200LT (which they don't make anymore). That one was a little more comfortable for me, but again they don't make them anymore and the engine isn't even comparable to the 1600.
I went one more step this week and I checked out a Gold Wing. It was comfortable, but I felt like my feet were trapped in a little area with no place to move them at all unless I was moving to the highway pegs. It looks like I'll either be keeping what I have or diving back in head first into a 2015 Harley.
Post by: 05Train on August 10, 2014, 04:52:44 PM
Agreed on the 'Wing. I'm just too tall for that bike.
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Post by: CVOThunder on August 10, 2014, 07:42:50 PM
Post by: 05Train on August 14, 2014, 10:05:27 PM
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Post by: FLHTCUSE7 on August 14, 2014, 10:12:32 PM
Hardest is to not pick up to many speeding tickets.
Post by: MrSurly on August 14, 2014, 10:17:55 PM
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Post by: 05Train on August 14, 2014, 10:23:18 PM
How does their lighting compare to the Daymaker and spots?Much better. Aside from the fact that they turn when the bars are turned, they're just a better light source. No knock against the DayMakers.....I loved 'em.
Post by: SDCVO on August 15, 2014, 01:13:58 AM
OK, I freaking love this bike. It's crazy fast, crazy comfortable, and runs corners as well as my Ninja did. This was a good move for me.Definitely looks better with the tourpak (BMW top case) on.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f229/rthomp159/Bike%20stuff/uzebe6yd_zpsd556ecd9.jpg) (http://s48.photobucket.com/user/rthomp159/media/Bike%20stuff/uzebe6yd_zpsd556ecd9.jpg.html)
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Post by: FLHTCUSE7 on August 15, 2014, 07:43:11 AM
I finally got a chance to sit on a K1600GTL. I sat on it while on the center stand talking to the salesman for a few minutes. That was all it took for me...my legs were tired after just sitting there for a few minutes. Performance or not, if I'm not comfortable sitting on a bike, it's not for me.
To 05Train...if you would have waited a few more weeks for the 2015 model, they have the keyless setup available like on the Exclusive model. If you would have gone for the Exclusive model though, you wouldn't even be able to remove the tourpak...it's not removable. Anyway, I'm glad you are enjoying it. I sat on a 2008 K1200LT (which they don't make anymore). That one was a little more comfortable for me, but again they don't make them anymore and the engine isn't even comparable to the 1600.
I went one more step this week and I checked out a Gold Wing. It was comfortable, but I felt like my feet were trapped in a little area with no place to move them at all unless I was moving to the highway pegs. It looks like I'll either be keeping what I have or diving back in head first into a 2015 Harley.
Post by: 05Train on August 15, 2014, 10:53:48 AM
Saddle hight is adjustable on the stock seat. Just raise it.Not on the one-piece GTL seat, only on the two-piece GT seat.
Post by: MrSurly on August 15, 2014, 11:31:13 AM
Post by: FLHTCUSE7 on August 15, 2014, 02:30:39 PM
Not on the one-piece GTL seat, only on the two-piece GT seat.
Post by: 05Train on August 15, 2014, 04:15:48 PM
Bike picture rule #3: Sunlight....that's what it's for.Everyone's a critic.....
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I could swear my GTL had an adjustment in the front. Maybe I recall wrong. It was over a year ago.The hardware's there, but the seat won't latch if you move it up.
Post by: MrSurly on August 15, 2014, 05:12:32 PM
Post by: 05Train on August 15, 2014, 05:26:07 PM
Much better! Now, what does it look like when it's CLEAN?Have you ever seen any of my bikes clean?
Went down about 7 miles of gravel road today, so it was a little dusty. I wiped it down when I got home. I would take a picture, but it's inside, and I know how picky you are about the sun......
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Post by: MrSurly on August 16, 2014, 12:59:32 AM
Have you ever seen any of my bikes clean?
Actually, I've only ever seen them from the rear...
Post by: backroad Mike on August 16, 2014, 07:51:45 PM
Actually, I've only ever seen them from the rear...
:D
Other than a few bugs, it was pretty clean when he stopped by to drop of my new to me shocks today Ricky.
:2vrolijk_21:
Post by: 05Train on August 16, 2014, 09:34:32 PM
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Post by: SDCVO on August 16, 2014, 10:14:57 PM
Post by: backroad Mike on August 17, 2014, 06:15:53 AM
Mike, Wayne and I had a helluva ride out of your place getting back to 17. This bike flat-out rocks. Once your knees are healed I'm gonna let you ride it and I bet you'll want one.
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610 is about the best road within 20 miles of the house. :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: 05Train on August 17, 2014, 08:14:07 PM
Did a bunch of local windy-windy roads getting out there, then hopped onto 66 to make some time. The bike is equally adept at carving corners as it is with the cruise set at 75. Stretched out on the highway pegs I could have ridden all the way to Kentucky if I had the time. A better stereo would be nice, but really won't be an issue when I've got one of my Sena-equipped helmets on.
I hopped on old 55 at Strasburg and took it out to Moorefield. It's a great stretch of road that's all but abandoned since the bypass was built, but WV has seen fit to keep the road in excellent shape. I was really able to stretch out here and see what the bike could do. Simply put, it's staggering how easy it is to ride this bike at a good clip and never feel like you're pushing it too hard. I loved the Telelever front end on my RT and GS/A; the Duolever takes it to the next level. Pick your line, move your body, trail brake in, power out. It's like a German slingshot. I easily exceeded the pace I was able to set with my Ultra and it was half the work. I need to establish new braking zone markers, as the old ones are way too early now. I can't imagine what this thing would do with an Ohlins or Wilburs suspension.
BMW would do well to offer the 2-piece GT seat on the GTL. For people who are long of leg or who have knee issues (yes on both), the taller seat makes the bike much more comfortable, and the lack of bolstering makes moving around when you're going to work in the mountains much easier.
13 days of ownership and I'm just shy of 2,000 miles. This thing's a keeper.
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Post by: 05Train on August 21, 2014, 10:58:54 PM
It's a German Sharknose, and I freaking love it.
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Post by: cropsure on August 24, 2014, 07:15:44 PM
Post by: 05Train on August 25, 2014, 05:08:55 PM
That's pretty much the only criticism I can offer.
My wife said we could have headed cross-country on it and she'd have been fine.
Post by: kbcvo on September 03, 2014, 09:45:52 PM
Post by: 05Train on September 04, 2014, 05:17:25 AM
Post by: Jswerve on September 04, 2014, 08:25:45 AM
I've put 3,600 miles on it in 34 days.....And I'll put another 150 or so on it today. There's just nothing bad about this bike. The fit & finish isn't to Harley standards, but Harley does that better than anyone else. Riding it rather than looking at it though there's no comparison. I really liked my CVO, but given the choice I'd rather ride this bike....Under any conditions or circumstances.Of course you wouldn't come back here and say you made a mistake lol.
Post by: ultrarider123 on September 04, 2014, 08:30:19 AM
As this is the CVO Harley forum, however, I believe that I've read all I need to on this thread and don't need to return to it. Good luck to you and your new bike.
Post by: 05Train on September 04, 2014, 09:37:03 AM
Of course you wouldn't come back here and say you made a mistake lol.I'm big enough for that. Said as much a few years back when I bought the RT.
As this is the CVO Harley forum, however, I believe that I've read all I need to on this thread and don't need to return to it. Good luck to you and your new bike.
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Post by: Jswerve on September 04, 2014, 10:04:22 AM
I'm big enough for that. Said as much a few years back when I bought the RT.
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LOL hey Powers Boothe was great and that's one of my favorite movies! :coolblue:
Post by: 05Train on September 04, 2014, 10:16:34 AM
LOL hey Powers Boothe was great and that's one of my favorite movies! :coolblue:You're clearly a man of impeccable taste.
Post by: Jswerve on September 04, 2014, 11:02:46 AM
You're clearly a man of impeccable taste.
I see a red sash I kill a man! :bananarock:
Post by: masiman on September 04, 2014, 11:28:32 AM
Post by: CVO2FIXUP on September 04, 2014, 11:09:04 PM
Post by: 1abastarsmda on September 05, 2014, 12:08:44 AM
Just wondering how it would feel to go to a biker rally and be on a BMW. I wonder if that magic feeling will be there? Or will it feel like the odd man out?
I've wondered the same thing...not just going to rallies though, but out riding with friends or even just riding down the street. I know how often I get thumbs up from people, or people in cars at intersections telling me how nice my bike is. Does all of that go away? I think I would miss that part of the Harley experience.
Post by: screaminCVO on September 05, 2014, 01:33:37 AM
Post by: SDCVO on September 05, 2014, 02:39:22 AM
I've put 3,600 miles on it in 34 days.....And I'll put another 150 or so on it today. There's just nothing bad about this bike. The fit & finish isn't to Harley standards, but Harley does that better than anyone else. Riding it rather than looking at it though there's no comparison. I really liked my CVO, but given the choice I'd rather ride this bike....Under any conditions or circumstances.Got it......
Post by: willyB on September 05, 2014, 05:38:20 AM
I really like my HD but there are many times when certain things that annoy me about my HD when riding it. I think a thumbs up makes me feel better but it doesn't improve the machine. ;D
Post by: 05Train on September 05, 2014, 07:57:25 AM
Just wondering how it would feel to go to a biker rally and be on a BMW. I wonder if that magic feeling will be there? Or will it feel like the odd man out?I don't do rallies, so not an issue.
I've wondered the same thing...not just going to rallies though, but out riding with friends or even just riding down the street. I know how often I get thumbs up from people, or people in cars at intersections telling me how nice my bike is. Does all of that go away? I think I would miss that part of the Harley experience.My friends give me grief, but that's what I expect from them. They don't care what anyone rides, and neither do I.
I will say that I'm surprised how many people say, "nice bike" when they see the K16. I wasn't expecting that at all.
As I was riding with 10 bikes a few weeks ago, I wondered what it would be like if you couldn't hear that sound...........don't think it would be the same.Don't miss that a bit. It's so nice to come off of a long ride and not have any ear discomfort. It's also awesome to hear the sounds around you while you're riding rather than just the bike and the wind.
Post by: BigLew on September 06, 2014, 04:58:24 PM
Its the ride, not what I'm own.
God's speed
BigLew
Post by: Simpleman1025 on September 06, 2014, 05:25:46 PM
Post by: Jswerve on September 06, 2014, 08:12:52 PM
I don't do rallies, so not an issue.No idea what you're talking about. I ride 300-600 mile days on my bike with no ear plugs and I never have any ear issues.
My friends give me grief, but that's what I expect from them. They don't care what anyone rides, and neither do I.
I will say that I'm surprised how many people say, "nice bike" when they see the K16. I wasn't expecting that at all.
Don't miss that a bit. It's so nice to come off of a long ride and not have any ear discomfort. It's also awesome to hear the sounds around you while you're riding rather than just the bike and the wind.
Post by: dp on September 07, 2014, 09:14:32 PM
Post by: 05Train on September 07, 2014, 09:17:40 PM
No idea what you're talking about. I ride 300-600 mile days on my bike with no ear plugs and I never have any ear issues.Totally subjective. I have found that I have no tolerance for noise anymore.
Had some time to kill in Austin last week and test rode a GTL for about 45 minutes. Fun bike. Lots of power and lots of high tech gadgets. Missed the floor boards and shifter took some getting used to. Seat was comfortable but seemed very confining. Sound system kind of sucked. That being said, I would buy one if nearest dealer wasn't 150 miles from where I live, but would still keep my RG. Might get rid of SG, but not sure I could do that either.The stock GTL seat sucks. The stock speakers suck.
When it comes to the ride though, it's a killer.
Post by: ROBSMST on September 01, 2020, 05:39:28 PM
Current bikes in garage are a 14 RK CVO with a 113 and a tourpak. And a 15 K1600GT converted to a GTL exclusive with all the add ons.
Prior to our big trip my wife spend a lot of time on both bikes but chose the BMW for the trip. So I added different seats, armrests etc. The works to make it as comfortable as possible for two up riding.
The thing eats miles like nobodies business. It does everything you ask it to do extremely well.
Due to fires in CA and our home being in an evac zone, my wife flew back from SDakota. I rode back alone. I noticed two things on my ride back that I did not notice on my way out.
1) knees hurt. I have the GT but I do have risers for pull back and a sergeant seat. Still if I keep the bike I’d want to lower the pegs and raise the seat for some knee relief.
2) butt hurt. While the sergeant is great for about 4 hours or every other day 8 hours. For daily 500 miles I’d have to switch to a Russell day long. Stock is a no go as only good for a couple hours.
3) dangerous crosswinds. With the top box, touring shield, arm rests etc, just lots of fairing panels, the bike was dangerous in High cross wind gusts. Sustained not so much as predictable. I was knocked 10 feet to the left last the emergency lane and almost into the divider once and blown left and right same distance another time with no vehicles around. The first time I was next to a big rig and I thank God I was blown left and not right. Now I know about the crosswinds and this bike. So I prepared and did as much as I could to setups. But still had two very close calls. Oh and I have 20K miles on it so I know the bike.
Two years ago I did a similar trip on the RK and crosswinds were no problem nor were my knees or butt.
I love the tank on the K1600. 7 gallons. In rain mode I could easily stretch it to 400 miles if I wanted to. So going through Nevada lonely rd at speed was no issue. Love being able to change the ride on the fly. Comfort. Sport. Normal. Same with motor. Rain. Road. Dynamic. Also the height for parking and or solo or two up. The adjustable shield.
Upon my return I got on the RK and immediately remembered why I love it too.
They are different rides. Comfortable in different ways. If I was going to have one bike it would probably be a CVO limited. But for now I’ll keep both the K16 and the RK and take one depending on the mood.
For all considering switching rent one for a day. Learn what you like and don’t like. They are very different from the H-D touring models.
Post by: 2019CVONH on January 30, 2021, 08:21:19 AM
Thinking about trading my 2011 CVO Street Glide in on a BMW K1600GTL. Wish I could have both but not in the cards. Like a lot about both bikes, afraid if I take a test ride on the GTL I'll want it more then the Street Glide. Has anybody went to the GTL from a CVO. I get tired of a bike after a few years and want something different, wife doesn't agree with having two:(Furmon,
I purchased my first HD last year. 2019 CVO and love it. Before this I’ve had 7 BMWs with the last one being a K1600b. We test drive a used GTL because they didn’t have a demo bike. The used one I thought was a POS. The transmission had a annoying clunk in it that the dealer said “This is normal for the K bikes”. Well not for this guy. I had all R series bikes before this and every one was incredible. The K1600b we had last was OK. No issues but a month after I traded it BMW came out with a major recall on the transmission. So to answer you question on the BMW K1600 GTL, if you are able to test ride a new one, you will take your checkbook out and have them fill it out! That’s how impressive it is. A buddy of mine has one of the fasted HD around our area and he could still beat me but not by a lot. The K1600 is 160 hp without being chipped.
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Post by: RAINEY on February 03, 2021, 08:22:23 PM
Post by: 2019CVONH on February 11, 2021, 08:28:22 PM
I went from a 2015 CVO Limited to a 2018 BMW K1600B. Since I typically ride solo since my wife is not riding until the kids get older, I enjoyed the ride and performance of the BMW a lot more. The K1600B is a much different bike than the OP posted. It's lower and better ergonomics for longer relaxed riding. The CVO Limited is a moch more long range bike for 4-700 mile days. The BMW is good for about 350 max. Now the BMW will be paired with a new 2020 Indian Chieftain Elite that I just ordered.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210212/95e63b6d76e863d51f4abf45b2b94914.jpeg)
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Post by: 2019CVONH on February 11, 2021, 08:33:49 PM
I went from a 2015 CVO Limited to a 2018 BMW K1600B. Since I typically ride solo since my wife is not riding until the kids get older, I enjoyed the ride and performance of the BMW a lot more. The K1600B is a much different bike than the OP posted. It's lower and better ergonomics for longer relaxed riding. The CVO Limited is a moch more long range bike for 4-700 mile days. The BMW is good for about 350 max. Now the BMW will be paired with a new 2020 Indian Chieftain Elite that I just ordered.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210212/189fb1d0940272adf3f9f9a714c8b217.jpeg)
You’ll never see another like this one.
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