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[ultrafxr]

Thinking about taking the plunge on a Corbin heated saddle for my jester and just wondering about security for it.  Anyone with a #2 phillips can take it off in a couple minutes.  I do a lot of rides to events where there are hundreds if not thousands of bikers and can't help but think that these high-end saddles would be a temptation to some.

Might explore a different type screw with some sort of security device like locking wheel lug nuts have.  Don't know if anything like that is available.

[REGGAB]

Thinking about taking the plunge on a Corbin heated saddle for my jester and just wondering about security for it.  Anyone with a #2 phillips can take it off in a couple minutes.  I do a lot of rides to events where that are hundreds if not thousands of bikers and can't help but think that these high-end saddles would be a temptation to some.

Might explore a different type screw with some sort of security device like locking wheel lug nuts have.  Don't know if anything like that is available.

Just a thought here, Jerry.  You are correct.  Anyone can remove the seat with a #2 crosstip, but I'm thinking if you set your security system to the most sensitive setting, if that thing starts chirping, it is going to draw plenty of attention to the scum trying to steal your saddle.  In most circles, that normally results in an immediate a$$ whooping for the would be thief.  Again, this is simply my take on the subject.

[Hoist!]

Thinking about taking the plunge on a Corbin heated saddle for my jester and just wondering about security for it.  Anyone with a #2 phillips can take it off in a couple minutes.  I do a lot of rides to events where that are hundreds if not thousands of bikers and can't help but think that these high-end saddles would be a temptation to some.

Might explore a different type screw with some sort of security device like locking wheel lug nuts have.  Don't know if anything like that is available.

Jerry, how about those tamperproof screws they use on public restroom partitions? That requires the special screwdriver. Most people won't have one at a Rally. Hoist!

[ccr]

For the newer version of my seat the Classic Solo, under the Specs tab;  Corbin offers a KEY LOCK INSTALLATION: This saddle model uses a new mounting system designed by Corbin to allow installation and removable with a simple key lock. Once the included brackets are installed, the saddle can be removed easily by just inserting and turning the key.

Wonder why they don't offer this small amount of security to each of their seats?

http://www.corbin.com/harley/baggers/cvos.shtml

[cuthbertss]

good point....
anyone know the dimensions for the seat screw off the top of your head?

[HWYMAN1]

For the newer version of my seat the Classic Solo, under the Specs tab;  Corbin offers a KEY LOCK INSTALLATION: This saddle model uses a new mounting system designed by Corbin to allow installation and removable with a simple key lock. Once the included brackets are installed, the saddle can be removed easily by just inserting and turning the key.

Wonder why they don't offer this small amount of security to each of their seats?

http://www.corbin.com/harley/baggers/cvos.shtml

Mrs. We,
that is a good point, i just emailed them that very question, if have not heard in a day or two i will call and ask, john

[ultrafxr]

For the newer version of my seat the Classic Solo, under the Specs tab;  Corbin offers a KEY LOCK INSTALLATION: This saddle model uses a new mounting system designed by Corbin to allow installation and removable with a simple key lock. Once the included brackets are installed, the saddle can be removed easily by just inserting and turning the key.

Wonder why they don't offer this small amount of security to each of their seats?

http://www.corbin.com/harley/baggers/cvos.shtml

I just phoned them - not available for dual touring seats since still have to bolt on at rear.  But it seems to be that some sort of lock could be developed to lock the saddle to the mount for the back rest. Looks like only option right now is a bolt with a torx head, allen head or better yet like hoist said some even more uncommon type of head.

[WFP]

not the best solution ...

but are there attachment points on the saddle and bike to slip in a gun cable lock that stays under the seat and hidden until the seat is lifted a few inches?

I just phoned them - not available for dual touring seats since still have to bolt on at rear.  But it seems to be that some sort of lock could be developed to lock the saddle to the mount for the back rest. Looks like only option right now is a bolt with a torx head, allen head or better yet like hoist said some even more uncommon type of head.

[Midnight Rider]

I'm 90% sure the bolt is 1/4" standard threads, and about 3/4" long.

Even a button head allen would be better than the Phillips...at least someone couldn't get the thing off with a leatherman tool then.

[hard10]

...Anyone can remove the seat with a #2 crosstip, but I'm thinking if you set your security system to the most sensitive setting, if that thing starts chirping, it is going to draw plenty of attention to the scum trying to steal your saddle. ...

Ok, time for me to chime in here.

1st, on a SEUC² there is no way to set the sensitivity for the alarm.

2nd, do you really think someone is going to go unnoticed if they are seen taking a saddle off a bike and walking away with it?

If you buy the Corbin backrest, it comes with a Allen screw that has to be removed before the seat can be.

[hard10]

Ultrafxr, I say go for it. Fiestabill sold me his and went out and bought another one for his bike. I guess he missed it.

AJ

Here's another shot:

[cuthbertss]

Ok, time for me to chime in here.

1st, on a SEUC² there is no way to set the sensitivity for the alarm.

2nd, do you really think someone is going to go unnoticed if they are seen taking a saddle off a bike and walking away with it?

If you buy the Corbin backrest, it comes with a Allen screw that has to be removed before the seat can be.

that might be true on yours.but not on mine...

[Midnight Rider]

Ok, time for me to chime in here.

1st, on a SEUC² there is no way to set the sensitivity for the alarm.

2nd, do you really think someone is going to go unnoticed if they are seen taking a saddle off a bike and walking away with it?

If you buy the Corbin backrest, it comes with a Allen screw that has to be removed before the seat can be.

AJ...better check again on having to remove the allen screw on the backrest before the seat can be removed, buddy.  Sure don't have to on mine...the backrest post bolts to a receiver internal to the Cobin seat pan, not to the bike...the whole thing will lift off easily, with just removing the rear fender screw.

[cuthbertss]

This is the identical problem for anything on the bike that comes off
tour paks, seats, backrests, helmets gloves, glasses....etc etc etc

y'all are making me paranoid!

[Midnight Rider]

This is the identical problem for anything on the bike that comes off
tour paks, seats, backrests, helmets gloves, glasses....etc etc etc

y'all are making me paranoid!

I'm a trusting soul, Scot...I just don't think about people ripping me off.  Guess I'm naive.  Not much I can do if somebody wants my helmet more than me, as there's no way to store two full face that I've found.  I do set the alarm and lock the forks if I feel uncomfortable with the parking spot, and worry a bit at night when in a Motel, but really, if the SOB wants your chit, he/she is going to get it.

[hard10]

AJ...better check again on having to remove the allen screw on the backrest before the seat can be removed, buddy.  Sure don't have to on mine...the backrest post bolts to a receiver internal to the Cobin seat pan, not to the bike...the whole thing will lift off easily, with just removing the rear fender screw.

I'll be. I stand corrected. I was wrong uh, mistaken.

In the amusement machine industry we has some speciality locks for some unique apications. I know that the gum ball machines use a screw type lock. Something along those lines may work. I'll check & see.

Again, sorry to you & cuthbertss 

[Twolanerider]

This is the identical problem for anything on the bike that comes off
tour paks, seats, backrests, helmets gloves, glasses....etc etc etc

y'all are making me paranoid!

Yeah, but people wouldn't steal a tour pak off a bike!

[cuthbertss]

Yeah, but people wouldn't steal a tour pak off a bike!

the only guy i know it happened to was... uh...  you?

[cuthbertss]

I'll be. I stand corrected. I was wrong uh, mistaken.

In the amusement machine industry we has some speciality locks for some unique apications. I know that the gum ball machines use a screw type lock. Something along those lines may work. I'll check & see.

Again, sorry to you & cuthbertss 

hey man..dont apologize...
once i thought i was wrong.. but I was mistaken

I only know this as i just put my freakin seat on !!!

no worries

[ultrafxr]

Don't mean to cause parnoia (it does strike deep, however!).  I am not paranoid and really don't worry about such things.  But when at large biker events and bike is unattended, well, that is realy easy pickings.

Buddy of mine on Softail was eating breakfast at Waffle House in Nashville right near Opryland (not a bad part of town at all) and some scumbag opened his saddlebag and took his notebook computer (not much security in those leather bags I know) and took his entire T-Bag off his bike with all his belongings.

I agree that if someone really, really wants it they will get it but we can sure make it a little bit more difficult.

[grc]

The easiest method to secure the seat would be to use one of the "tamper resistant" machine screws available.  1/4-20 x 3/4" with either a Torx-Pin or Hex-Pin button head, or if you are really paranoid try the "Key-Rex" screw.  http://www.brycefastener.com/keyrex.htm

Jerry

[ccr]

The easiest method to secure the seat would be to use one of the "tamper resistant" machine screws available.  1/4-20 x 3/4" with either a Torx-Pin or Hex-Pin button head, or if you are really paranoid try the "Key-Rex" screw.  http://www.brycefastener.com/keyrex.htm

Jerry

Wow Jerry, that is a fantastic suggestion.  Thanks.   

[ultrafxr]

The easiest method to secure the seat would be to use one of the "tamper resistant" machine screws available.  1/4-20 x 3/4" with either a Torx-Pin or Hex-Pin button head, or if you are really paranoid try the "Key-Rex" screw.  http://www.brycefastener.com/keyrex.htm

Jerry

See, I just knew someone would have the answer.  Thank you Jerry!

[Midnight Rider]

Nice Jerry...will they give you half a dozen or so removal tools so I can have one in every place I'm likely to forget I put them?   

I have not seen those fasteners before...excellent idear...

[Boatman]

Jerry-
You're the man.  Glad to have you back and posting and helping out as usual.   

[ultrafxr]

Called Bryce Mfg who makes these and found available thru McMaster Carr - www.mcmastercarr.com - catalog page 3043, part no 99355A311, $6.75 for pkg of 5.  Not the Key-Rex style but sill tamper resistant and look good to me.  Just placed order for 5 so I'll report when they come in.  Sure hope they come with 5 drivers but I bet there is only one driver per pakcage.  We'll see.  Here is description from catalog:

High-Security 18-8 Stainless Steel Button Head Socket Screws
   
   These tamper-resistant button head screws and installation bits have a unique configuration and are available only from our catalog. This limited availability prevents tampering that can occur with other more common security driven fasteners. Button heads provide a low profile head. Length is measured from under head. Class 3A thread fit. Made of 18-8 stainless steel, which offers excellent corrosion resistance. May be mildly magnetic. Rockwell hardness is B83. Minimum tensile strength is 80,000 psi.   
 
 

[Midnight Rider]

Called Bryce Mfg who makes these and found available thru McMaster Carr - www.mcmastercarr.com - catalog page 3043, part no 99355A311, $6.75 for pkg of 5.  Not the Key-Rex style but sill tamper resistant and look good to me.  Just placed order for 5 so I'll report when they come in.  Sure hope they come with 5 drivers but I bet there is only one driver per pakcage.  We'll see.  Here is description from catalog:

High-Security 18-8 Stainless Steel Button Head Socket Screws
   
   These tamper-resistant button head screws and installation bits have a unique configuration and are available only from our catalog. This limited availability prevents tampering that can occur with other more common security driven fasteners. Button heads provide a low profile head. Length is measured from under head. Class 3A thread fit. Made of 18-8 stainless steel, which offers excellent corrosion resistance. May be mildly magnetic. Rockwell hardness is B83. Minimum tensile strength is 80,000 psi.   
 
 

Let us know how they work.


Geez, is there anything that mcmastercarr place DOESN'T have?

[cuthbertss]

related question....

anyone using the HD detachable locks?   are they worth a chit?   at 32 bucks they are kinda spendy

[ultrafxr]

Let us know how they work.


Geez, is there anything that mcmastercarr place DOESN'T have?

Yeah, TMATs that work.

[grc]

related question....

anyone using the HD detachable locks?   are they worth a chit?   at 32 bucks they are kinda spendy

Scott,

I'm using one on my detachable Tour-Pak, with the understanding that it won't stop a determined professional but it will sure slow down regular folks.  I only did this after reading about 2lane having his Tour-Pak stolen, normally I'm a trusting soul and don't even lock the lid of the T-P or secure my helmet.

Jerry

[cuthbertss]

Scott,

I'm using one on my detachable Tour-Pak, with the understanding that it won't stop a determined professional but it will sure slow down regular folks.  I only did this after reading about 2lane having his Tour-Pak stolen, normally I'm a trusting soul and don't even lock the lid of the T-P or secure my helmet.

Jerry

Thanks dude.....
I'll add that to my list!

[REGGAB]

Ok, time for me to chime in here.

1st, on a SEUC² there is no way to set the sensitivity for the alarm.

2nd, do you really think someone is going to go unnoticed if they are seen taking a saddle off a bike and walking away with it?

If you buy the Corbin backrest, it comes with a Allen screw that has to be removed before the seat can be.

I stand corrected, Sir!  I failed to properly research the SEUC2.  For the life of me I cannot understand WHY the MOCO would remove this capability from later models than those with which it has been fielded in previous years.  Not that I'm doubting you at all, Sir........but I must see this for myself.  That said, if anyone has a .pdf owner's manual for an SEUC2, I would very much appreciate a copy thereof.  Thanks.

[REGGAB]

Ok, time for me to chime in here.

1st, on a SEUC² there is no way to set the sensitivity for the alarm.

2nd, do you really think someone is going to go unnoticed if they are seen taking a saddle off a bike and walking away with it?

If you buy the Corbin backrest, it comes with a Allen screw that has to be removed before the seat can be.

You provided a question to the answer in sentence number four of reply #1 to this thread.   Sorta like the tail wagging the dog......cart before the horse............

[porthole]

I'm a trusting soul, Scot...I just don't think about people ripping me off.  Guess I'm naive. 

Ask 2Lane 'bout that........................

[hard10]

I stand corrected, Sir!  I failed to properly research the SEUC2.  For the life of me I cannot understand WHY the MOCO would remove this capability from later models than those with which it has been fielded in previous years.  Not that I'm doubting you at all, Sir........but I must see this for myself.  That said, if anyone has a .pdf owner's manual for an SEUC2, I would very much appreciate a copy thereof.  Thanks.

I knew I had posted it some where:
Alarm Cheat sheet: http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=11043.0;all
It's not the full manual but you'll get the idea. You'll have to double click on the image to make it larger. 2LN also posts the '05-'06 instructions.

Hope this helps.
AJ

[porthole]

Geez, is there anything that mcmastercarr place DOESN'T have?

Bread & milk

Seriously,  I have been to the warehouse and it is amazing.

[spydglide]

Called Bryce Mfg who makes these and found available thru McMaster Carr - www.mcmastercarr.com - catalog page 3043, part no 99355A311, $6.75 for pkg of 5.  Not the Key-Rex style but sill tamper resistant and look good to me.  Just placed order for 5 so I'll report when they come in.  Sure hope they come with 5 drivers but I bet there is only one driver per pakcage.  We'll see.   Here is description from catalog:

High-Security 18-8 Stainless Steel Button Head Socket Screws
   
 

Hey Ultrafxr, the way I read the description of the pkg. of 5 is that you will need to drop down to the bottom and order the driver sep.....12 clams.  Is that your interpretation also?  spyder

[Boatman]

Hey Ultrafxr, the way I read the description of the pkg. of 5 is that you will need to drop down to the bottom and order the driver sep.....12 clams.  Is that your interpretation also?  spyder

Good eyes Spydglide.  You do need the 2nd driver listed IMO..  Just ordered a bag of 5 and the driver.  Will let you know how they work out.

[ultrafxr]

Hey Ultrafxr, the way I read the description of the pkg. of 5 is that you will need to drop down to the bottom and order the driver sep.....12 clams.  Is that your interpretation also?  spyder

Guess I mis-read it - says "with #U-25 drive" thought that meant it came with drive.  Think you are right however. 

[REGGAB]

I knew I had posted it some where:
Alarm Cheat sheet: http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=11043.0;all
It's not the full manual but you'll get the idea. You'll have to double click on the image to make it larger. 2LN also posts the '05-'06 instructions.

Hope this helps.
AJ

They changed so much stuff on these 07s.  No more key fob button.  Whoops!  We can no longer adjust alarm sensitvity.  Logically it makes sense, however, practically, when I'm on the road and crashing at a hotel, I sleep much better knowing my alarm is adjusted to emit a warning if anyone so much as brushes against it.  So, this brings another question, and please Jerry, pardon my totally unintentional hijack:  How sensitive is the 07 alarm trigger in comparison to an 06?

[hard10]

They changed so much stuff on these 07s.  No more key fob button.  Whoops!  We can no longer adjust alarm sensitvity.  Logically it makes sense, however, practically, when I'm on the road and crashing at a hotel, I sleep much better knowing my alarm is adjusted to emit a warning if anyone so much as brushes against it.  So, this brings another question, and please Jerry, pardon my totally unintentional hijack:  How sensitive is the 07 alarm trigger in comparison to an 06?

I can't compare to the '06 SEUC but my '02 Deuce goes off if you breathe on it. On the SEUC² you have to sit on it enough to lift the kickstand before it goes off.

[REGGAB]

I can't compare to the '06 SEUC but my '02 Deuce goes off if you breathe on it. On the SEUC² you have to sit on it enough to lift the kickstand before it goes off.

Zackly what I was thinking.  Thanks.

[spydglide]

I can't compare to the '06 SEUC but my '02 Deuce goes off if you breathe on it. On the SEUC² you have to sit on it enough to lift the kickstand before it goes off.

I know on my '04 SEEG, a drunk in a pickup tapped my saddlebag (underneath the bike cover) with his bumper and it woke me from a dead sleep howling for help. spyder