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[willyB]

$18,000 and a 5 year warranty made his decision.

He will pick it up on Wednesday. He hasn't ridden for many many years so I will be riding it home for him.

He is going to take a riding class BEFORE riding it!

[sinner]

Beautiful bike.

[Chief2505]

I test drove a Victory cross country Friday evening. It was nice and ok but had a terrible vibration that I could feel in the seat and the wife could feel in her back through the back rest. She loved the extra room for her and the large bags.

The look is still something I am not sure of but the cross country is definitely better looking and more versatile than the Vision.
I was not sold on it like the commercial says but I wasn't totally turned off either.

[CVOThunder]

I test drove a Victory cross country Friday evening. It was nice and ok but had a terrible vibration that I could feel in the seat and the wife could feel in her back through the back rest. She loved the extra room for her and the large bags.

The look is still something I am not sure of but the cross country is definitely better looking and more versatile than the Vision.
I was not sold on it like the commercial says but I wasn't totally turned off either.

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[Jswerve]

$18,000 and a 5 year warranty made his decision.

He will pick it up on Wednesday. He hasn't ridden for many many years so I will be riding it home for him.

He is going to take a riding class BEFORE riding it!

Great stuff now if they could build one I actually like the looks of...

[skratch]

the 5 year warranty is not bumper to bumper.  victory offers a standard 1 year warranty, but they are giving (as a sales incentive) an additional 4 year powertrain warranty with a $50 deductible.

[Jswerve]

the 5 year warranty is not bumper to bumper.  victory offers a standard 1 year warranty, but they are giving (as a sales incentive) an additional 4 year powertrain warranty with a $50 deductible.

Still beats Harley to hell lol

[lowflight]

I am hopefully that the warranty will help push the MoCo in the same direction, highly doubtful but I like to dream.

A little too much Arlen Ness influence for my taste, but they are nice bikes.

Talked with a guy on one after riding through a number of stop lights one night not too long ago with "applied for plates" on it. Cracked me up as at first, every time I got close he gassed it, showing me he had a bigger motor than a most Harleys. I was very impressed when I learned he was 81 years old! Told my wife I hope that is me. Riding a new bike, at night and clearly enjoying the performance of it. 

[D-N-D]

Not Bad !!! 18,000 and 5 years

[willyB]

the 5 year warranty is not bumper to bumper.  victory offers a standard 1 year warranty, but they are giving (as a sales incentive) an additional 4 year powertrain warranty with a $50 deductible.

I wonder how many lifter failures and compensator failures this will cover.

My 2011 Harley has had one compensator replaced so far and it needs to be replaced again. Plus, I fortunately decided to change cams before my lifter exploded.

Makes me question my decision to buy a Harley every time I ride it.

My next new motorcycle will not be a Harley. Regardless of looks.

[05Train]

I looked long and hard at a Vic CCT prior to getting the 'CUSE7.  The thing rides great, it has a ton of power, the riding position is super comfortable, and there's a ton of room in the bags.  For the money it can't be beat. 

[murphy]

The Victory has the fastest non modified V-Twin production motor I've ridden, I have plenty of friends who bought them because the refused to pay high prices for low quality (read HD).

Regarding the warranty... none of them worry too much about the coverage, out of the ten or so I know, none have ever had the bring them back!

The MoCo is way to arrogant to change, why should they?

[Jswerve]

But it's UGLY.

[Chief2505]

But it's UGLY.

The Vision is ugly, the cross country is more along the lines of not so good looking!

[Jswerve]

The Vision is ugly, the cross country is more along the lines of not so good looking!

I agree. The cross country is just a second hand sg imo

[Chief2505]

But at $18,000 he got a very good deal! I have priced them online and i always end up around $23,000 plus tax frieght license and what ever else.

[Fired00d]

But it's UGLY.

The only time you have to look at is when you're not riding... and unlike H-D's it sounds like you can ride it a lot more (at least w/o worrying about it breaking down or being in the shop and you have to look at it).... just sayin'

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[murphy]

HDs look pretty ugly with the cases split sitting up on some overpriced mechanics bench somewhere.

[Rooster]

I have a friend who bought a new Victory that blew up at 2100 miles. Had a hard time finding someone to work on it as he was on the road. He finally found a dealer but they wouldn't send a new engine just new parts to rebuild it. He got home and jumped back on his 48 Panhead.

[2 ROSE]

Yeah I think $18,000 might get you a new striped down fat boy or deluxe.
And then when you meet a victory rider, doesn't it seem like he talks to you as if he knows something about motorcycles that you don't...or is that just my H-D interiority complex kicking in again???

[SBB]

HDs look pretty ugly with the cases split sitting up on some overpriced mechanics bench somewhere.

Me thinkin murphy wants a Victory so he can use up some of that large inventory of pimp stixx he peddles.
 

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[Jswerve]

HDs look pretty ugly with the cases split sitting up on some overpriced mechanics bench somewhere.

My HD looks better then any Victory even when the motor is on the bench 

Yes my Harley has problems, yes it PISSES ME OFF, and yes Harley needs to wake up! BUT, until someone makes a bike that has the Harley looks AND is reliable I am stuck. Victories paint and body lines on their baggers are HIDEOUS. If I signed up on their forums I am sure I could find plenty of issues on top of the ugliness. They also have way less aftermarket options and dealer locations.

Build me what is highlighted in bold, don't care who the manufacturer is, and I am going to be a loyal customer.

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My HD looks better then any Victory even when the motor is on the bench 

Yes my Harley has problems, yes it PISSES ME OFF, and yes Harley needs to wake up! BUT, until someone makes a bike that has the Harley looks AND is reliable I am stuck. Victories paint and body lines on their baggers are HIDEOUS. If I signed up on their forums I am sure I could find plenty of issues on top of the ugliness. They also have way less aftermarket options and dealer locations.

Build me what is highlighted in bold, don't care who the manufacturer is, and I am going to be a loyal customer

Yeah I agree!!!
Although all of that HD history would be missed.

[DesertHOG]

I looked long and hard at a Vic CCT prior to getting the 'CUSE7.  The thing rides great, it has a ton of power, the riding position is super comfortable, and there's a ton of room in the bags.  For the money it can't be beat.

Ahh.. so how/why did you end up owning the Harley?

[Jswerve]

Ahh.. so how/why did you end up owning the Harley?

Inquiring minds want to know lol 

[2 ROSE]

I looked long and hard at a Vic CCT prior to getting the 'CUSE7.  The thing rides great,  :confused5:it has a ton of power, the riding position is super comfortable, and there's a ton of room in the bags.  For the money it can't be beat.

Yeah Mr. 05Train...explain that!!!
 

[SCRM-R]

But it's UGLY.

And...it's like riding a Moped.  It's fun 'til your friends see you on it.

[D-N-D]

A True Friend dose not let a Friend buy a Victory !!!!

[Jswerve]

A True Friend dose not let a Friend buy a Victory !!!!

Lol

[skratch]

Still beats Harley to hell lol

not really (on paper anyway).  its a standard 1 year warranty.  the additional 4 years is pretty much the same as an esp, only it covers powertrain only.  and i'm sure that you're paying for it somewhere, even though they say that it's included in the sales price.

the only reason that they are including them is because they're so ugly, people don't want to buy them without a price drop and a warranty incentive.....

but.... more power to them.  i hope hd feels the pressure and starts upping their quality.  though i must admit, in 12 years, and 7 harleys, (the wife rides her own), i have only had 1 warranty claim.  had an inner primary bearing go south on me.

[Jswerve]

not really (on paper anyway).  its a standard 1 year warranty.  the additional 4 years is pretty much the same as an esp, only it covers powertrain only.  and i'm sure that you're paying for it somewhere, even though they say that it's included in the sales price.

the only reason that they are including them is because they're so ugly, people don't want to buy them without a price drop and a warranty incentive.....

but.... more power to them.  i hope hd feels the pressure and starts upping their quality.  though i must admit, in 12 years, and 7 harleys, (the wife rides her own), i have only had 1 warranty claim.  had an inner primary bearing go south on me.

Esp lol. You mean the $2000 add on that doesn't cover anything because you put on aftermarket parts

[golaith69]

 HELLO GUYS ..I personally am a HD GUY .. NOTHING ELSE ..   MOCO Has pissed me off and will never buy another NEW harley.. i have went to the old relieables .. they dont treat or car about the owners - just the money...  i can buy alot of motors / repairs on the old KOOL  looking HD'S.. THEN STICK MONEY INTO THE   POCKETS AT HARLEY... and i get more performace  from aftermaket parts then MOCO PARTS... 
 I WONT BUY A VICTORY EITHER / DONT LIKE ARLEN NESS.. AND THEY ARE UGLY. but must say alot of friends are now buying INDIAN CYCLES...
   I WILL STAY WITH HARLEYS... BUT OLD ONES..

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Sounds like you have a found plan Goliath.
Motto on!!

[Jswerve]

HELLO GUYS ..I personally am a HD GUY .. NOTHING ELSE ..   MOCO Has pissed me off and will never buy another NEW harley.. i have went to the old relieables .. they dont treat or car about the owners - just the money...  i can buy alot of motors / repairs on the old KOOL  looking HD'S.. THEN STICK MONEY INTO THE   POCKETS AT HARLEY... and i get more performace  from aftermaket parts then MOCO PARTS... 
 I WONT BUY A VICTORY EITHER / DONT LIKE ARLEN NESS.. AND THEY ARE UGLY. but must say alot of friends are now buying INDIAN CYCLES...
   I WILL STAY WITH HARLEYS... BUT OLD ONES..

Can't blame ya!

[CVOThunder]

Would rather go this route than most Victory's I've seen. Maiden voyage from AL-ID back in 2011.

I do like the idea of going old school H-D though. Not sure if I'll buy another new H-D but I know I enjoy the two that I have.

[skratch]

Esp lol. You mean the $2000 add on that doesn't cover anything because you put on aftermarket parts

yeah, that's the one 

just for giggles, i tried to research the polaris esp to see how it stacked up against hd esp.  what i found was that there are a lot of guys out there that are not happy.  for the lesser numbers of victories on the road, it seemed like an awful lot of complaints.   i found all kinds of claims being denied, dealers that refused to do warranty work because the bike was bought elsewhere, and if it is the polaristar esp, it sounds like they pretty much will deny coverage on the vehicle for any modification that "Any vehicle modified or altered with, but not limited to, high performance and/or off-road equipment that is not original factory equipment"  also " Any repair of valves or rings, where the only malfunction is low compression or excessive use of oil, stuck and/or carbonized piston rings, improper spark plug heat range, or piston seizure not caused by a manufacturing defect" and the big one, "Any Mechanical Breakdown or overheating resulting from misuse, abuse, accident, dirty or poor quality fuel,[/b] improper fuel or fluids, improper fuel mixture...."

so it sounds like they are taking lessons from hd on the administering of their esp

don't get me wrong, i'm not just blindly drinking the hd koolaid.  i know that there is a lot of room for improvement, but the grass is not always greener on the other side.....

[05Train]

Ahh.. so how/why did you end up owning the Harley?

Funny story.

When I was bike shopping after my Limited was totaled I had a big, fat insurance check burning a hole in my pocket.  There were only two Harleys I was interested in, the CUSE7 in orange and black, and a CVO Roadie in blue and black.  The wife hates Roadies, so that one was out (didn't help that I would have had to have bought a TP and lowers too).  I just couldn't see spending nearly $40,000 for a bike that I knew would need a new seat, new bars, new windshield, and a Stage 1 to be right, so I ended up on a BMW Adventure.  Loved that bike, but I got a lemon and got rid of it after a year.

Given all the issues I had with my Limited, I didn't want to go back to a Harley, so I looked really hard at the CCT.  No, it doesn't look as pretty as a Harley, but some of my best rides have been on homely girls.  As it turned out, my local Harley dealer had just gotten my CUSE7 in as a trade, and I got a helluva deal on it.  Couldn't pass it up and I bought it.

I won't say I regret it.  The bike served me well for the 14 months and 24,000 miles I had it, but I gotta say that like a supermodel, Harleys are high-maintenance.  And I'm just tired of that.  They're good bikes, but there are a lot better ones out there.  No, they're not as pretty, no there isn't as much stuff to buy for them, but as far as riding is concerned.....I think there's better choices.

If Victory ever gets it's crap together and puts decent looking switchgear on their bikes, they'll do a lot better.  That was my biggest gripe, the view from the cockpit sucks.


Sent from my iPad, probably while I'm pooping.

[golaith69]

 HEY GUYS.. keep in mind .. if we dont buy them HD'S they will cut back on the production of the models... in which  raises the waiting lists and makes our older bikes value go up... remember the  80's and 90's....  BUT probably alot of you have only been riders for 20 yrs . so dont remember those yrs..lol

 HELL... the older shovels , pans , and knuckles are only going up.. a great investment .. lol

[Jswerve]

but some of my best rides have been on homely girls.

Bwahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

[SDCVO]

Its definitely "homely"..

[willyB]

Well I rode his 2014 Victory Cross Country to his house this evening. Only a 20 mile trip. Bike had .8 miles on it when I left the dealership.

Two words: Not Impressed.

The bike "rides" nice and all that but the engine is noisy, in an odd way. It is Hot as Hot can be. It appears to be oddly powered. Granted it is completely stock and had no miles on it but it felt poor at any rpm. Note! I did not run it hard at all.

Down the interstate it was nice. Comfortable and such.

He ended up paying $16,800.  Even at that price I would never buy one. The main reason: The Engine

[RayG]

I have had the same experience as Willy B.  I thought hell I could own one of those and then I get aboard and it sounds more like a snowmobile than a big bore two cylinder.  What's up with the sound.  And the heat is their as well.

[FLHTCUSE7]

Does a stock Harley engine sound any better?

Well I rode his 2014 Victory Cross Country to his house this evening. Only a 20 mile trip. Bike had .8 miles on it when I left the dealership.

Two words: Not Impressed.

The bike "rides" nice and all that but the engine is noisy, in an odd way. It is Hot as Hot can be. It appears to be oddly powered. Granted it is completely stock and had no miles on it but it felt poor at any rpm. Note! I did not run it hard at all.

Down the interstate it was nice. Comfortable and such.

He ended up paying $16,800.  Even at that price I would never buy one. The main reason: The Engine

[willyB]

Does a stock Harley engine sound any better?

Yes. My stock CVO's engine sounded much better. Exhaust was quiet but the Victory sounded oddly bad. I actually kept thinking there was something wrong with it. It sounded bad so much so that when I got it to his house the first thing I did was check the oil. It was full.

Riding wise, it shifted nicely and rode nice.

My first thought when I rode it out of the shop across their parking lot was "Man this is not good".

As much as we all have "things" annoying us about our CVO's I am very glad that I own a Harley over a Victory. The Victory engine is horrible (Strange mechanical sounds and a weird vibration feel) and it's very very hot. Much more so than my stock CVO prior to changing cams, pipes and tuning. The Victory has sort of a cheap feel including, seat, controls and paint.

All I can say is; "Wow, I will never own one".

[SDCVO]

Yes. My stock CVO's engine sounded much better. Exhaust was quiet but the Victory sounded oddly bad. I actually kept thinking there was something wrong with it. It sounded bad so much so that when I got it to his house the first thing I did was check the oil. It was full.

Riding wise, it shifted nicely and rode nice.

My first thought when I rode it out of the shop across their parking lot was "Man this is not good".

As much as we all have "things" annoying us about our CVO's I am very glad that I own a Harley over a Victory. The Victory engine is horrible (Strange mechanical sounds and a weird vibration feel) and it's very very hot. Much more so than my stock CVO prior to changing cams, pipes and tuning. The Victory has sort of a cheap feel including, seat, controls and paint.

All I can say is; "Wow, I will never own one".

Thank God this is not going to be another "i just bought a --- and I love it so much and its so much better than my HD I am am going to post every 5 minutes how much I log my --- on the CVO (HD) site" thread...
Sorry but just couldn't help myself

[Jswerve]

Thank God this is not going to be another "i just bought a --- and I love it so much and its so much better than my HD I am am going to post every 5 minutes how much I log my --- on the CVO (HD) site" thread...
Sorry but just couldn't help myself

No that's the BMW lol

[willyB]

My 2011 CVO Street Glide has one major complaint and that is the compensator/drivetrain sloppy feel. Hopefully there will be a fix to that at some point.

When I was asked to ride his brand new Victory home I was excited to ride it and was really thinking that maybe I'd get rid of the compensator/drivetrain slop issue and then be able to put a few bucks in my pocket.

At the price he bought the Victory I could live with the cheap feel stuff. You know sell my CVO say for $26k and buy a Victory for $16k. $10,000 in my pocket is not a bad thing.

But the engine. It's just odd. Definitely "hates" anything under 2000 rpm. Pulling away from a stop light or riding slowly across a parking lot. Cruising down a 45 mph rode and coming to a small incline you could not roll the throttle without downshifting otherwise a horrible engine noise would make you think the engine was coming apart.

Although the seat is cheap and didn't let me "sit in" the seat the overall ride/feel of the bike was nice and it is very roomy. It handles good at low speeds and zipped down the interstate at 75 mph just fine.  I'm 5'-8" and 145 lbs so I'm good on the CVO but the Victory was much more roomy.

I'm guessing the Victory engine prefers much more revs than the CVO. There appears to be much less low rpm torque on the Victory.

I'm sure I will ride the Victory again and give you feed back as I do so.

[Chief2505]

But the engine. It's just odd. Definitely "hates" anything under 2000 rpm. Pulling away from a stop light or riding slowly across a parking lot. Cruising down a 45 mph rode and coming to a small incline you could not roll the throttle without downshifting otherwise a horrible engine noise would make you think the engine was coming apart.

Although the seat is cheap and didn't let me "sit in" the seat the overall ride/feel of the bike was nice and it is very roomy. It handles good at low speeds and zipped down the interstate at 75 mph just fine.  I'm 5'-8" and 145 lbs so I'm good on the CVO but the Victory was much more roomy.

I'm guessing the Victory engine prefers much more revs than the CVO. There appears to be much less low rpm torque on the Victory.

I'm sure I will ride the Victory again and give you feed back as I do so.
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I agree! The Xcountry that I test drove had the same "feel" dead under 2000 rpm and had a terrible vibration in the seat when excelerating. The seat was comfy for me and her, definitely more room than my CVO Ultra and the huge floorboards felt weird but one might get used to that after awhile.

[Mandrew13]

He is going to take a riding class BEFORE riding it!

 

[CVO2FIXUP]

Thank God this is not going to be another "i just bought a --- and I love it so much and its so much better than my HD I am am going to post every 5 minutes how much I log my --- on the CVO (HD) site" thread...
Sorry but just couldn't help myself

   SDCVO you took the words right out of my mouth. Wanted to say that for so long but did not want to stir up sh#t. Bravo bud.

[owl893]

   SDCVO you took the words right out of my mouth. Wanted to say that for so long but did not want to stir up sh#t. Bravo bud.

I'm tired of pickin' that scab as well.

[dlaws01]

   SDCVO you took the words right out of my mouth. Wanted to say that for so long but did not want to stir up sh#t. Bravo bud.

Now that it's been mentioned, why are there so many topics on non H-D or CVO bikes on this site?  I've read about Ducatis, Goldwings,
BMWs, Indians and the list goes on.  Aren't you guys aware that there are websites just for these brands out there too?   

[phato1]

Now that it's been mentioned, why are there so many topics on non H-D or CVO bikes on this site?  I've read about Ducatis, Goldwings,
BMWs, Indians and the list goes on.  Aren't you guys aware that there are websites just for these brands out there too?   

Not to pizz anyone off but.... IMHO if you really don't want to know what other brands a member owns and rides, and how they might compare to the HD's and it bugs you that much to read about it.... skip those threads.
I enjoy riding all motorcycles not just my CVO and there are many on this site that do the same. An occasional thread about another brand - whether comparing it to the HD offering, just describing a new purchase or maybe one about a days ride - is refreshing now and then.  Sometimes a little variety is a good thing.
And like I said, don't read the ones that bug you and let the thread "die" quietly as they oftentimes do.

Again just my opinion.  Yours may differ.

[SBB]

Now that it's been mentioned, why are there so many topics on non H-D or CVO bikes on this site?  I've read about Ducatis, Goldwings,
BMWs, Indians and the list goes on.  Aren't you guys aware that there are websites just for these brands out there too?   

Careful there dlaws, you may suffer the wrath of Mr. Shirley.
I am one of those posting about a non Harley brand, but for me it was a review of what I thought about it.
And for the record I did place it in the "Other Motorcycle Related Topics non-CVO related" section.
It will never replace my Harley/CVO but it is fun.
I have been lucky, I have owned one or more Harley's since 1977 and at the same time a brand that wasn't a Harley.
I prefer my Harley's but about anything two wheels is fun.


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[SBB]

Again just my opinion.  Yours may differ.

Ahhh Phato, as usual the Blues Brothers are on the same page!

 

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[FLHTCUSE7]

Who cares what people ride as long as they ride?

[dlaws01]

Careful there dlaws, you may suffer the wrath of Mr. Shirley.
I am one of those posting about a non Harley brand, but for me it was a review of what I thought about it.
And for the record I did place it in the "Other Motorcycle Related Topics non-CVO related" section.
It will never replace my Harley/CVO but it is fun.
I have been lucky, I have owned one or more Harley's since 1977 and at the same time a brand that wasn't a Harley.
I prefer my Harley's but about anything two wheels is fun.


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I knew that there would be some chains yanked when I wrote that comment, with a smile on my face.     Some people it's just too easy.