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bostonCVO

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Windshield mod?
« on: April 30, 2013, 10:20:44 PM »

Ok did my first couple of highway rides on my 13 SERG. Man the windshield is worthless.  At 70 MPH i felt like  bobble head. My glasses shook so much I couldn't see. Needless to say the windshield search is on , hundred of post later seem like the Cee Baily rises to the top. But man all of these taller windshield (15" recommended, I'm 5'10" 31" in seam) seem like they really kill the lines of the bike.

One thought all RG windshields seal at the front lower edge of the fairing. I notice on my K1600 there was a small airspace that relieved pressure and aided airflow (reduced buffetting?). A friend of mine had a V-Strom and based on forum recommendations he drilled a inch and a half hole at the base of the windshield, pressure gone less buffeting. I have no idea how the physics of this works but it seems to. So to the point, has anyone tried this type of mod to  the stock shield ? Any one have any idea why this would work? In reading the posts one of the windshields that seem to work real well on the RG is the Madstad, the Madstad that allows for airflow under the lower front edge of the shield. I don't like the look of that shield but got me thinking.
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Re: Windshield mod?
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2013, 10:31:38 PM »

I found the post below on a BMW website that my explain what i am thinking

Windshield turbulence is caused by a pressure and velocity differential between the air behind the windshield and the air hitting the windshield. As the air passes over the top of the windshield the 'vacuum' behind the windshield pulls it down. An oscillation gets set up which causes vortices of air coming off the lip along the boundary between the fast and slow moving air. These vortices detach and move along the air stream, contributing to turbulence. The low frequency booming you hear is these Von Karman vortices hitting you in the head. Here's a nice little video illustrating the effect: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Karman_Vortex_Street_Off_Cylinder.ogv

also found this

http://www.ehow.com/how_7907775_prevent-karman-vortices-motorcycle-windshields.html
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Re: Windshield mod?
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2013, 10:43:20 PM »

Ok did my first couple of highway rides on my 13 SERG. Man the windshield is worthless.  At 70 MPH i felt like  bobble head. My glasses shook so much I couldn't see. Needless to say the windshield search is on , hundred of post later seem like the Cee Baily rises to the top. But man all of these taller windshield (15" recommended, I'm 5'10" 31" in seam) seem like they really kill the lines of the bike.

One thought all RG windshields seal at the front lower edge of the fairing. I notice on my K1600 there was a small airspace that relieved pressure and aided airflow (reduced buffetting?). A friend of mine had a V-Strom and based on forum recommendations he drilled a inch and a half hole at the base of the windshield, pressure gone less buffeting. I have no idea how the physics of this works but it seems to. So to the point, has anyone tried this type of mod to  the stock shield ? Any one have any idea why this would work? In reading the posts one of the windshields that seem to work real well on the RG is the Madstad, the Madstad that allows for airflow under the lower front edge of the shield. I don't like the look of that shield but got me thinking.

It's an old idea that's been available on various bike shields for many years (just not on a stock Harley shield).  In basic terms what occurs is a vacuum forms directly behind the windshield, and air tumbles in from the sides, above, and below to fill that vacuum.  That air is turbulent, thus the head shaking and buffeting.  For an analogy, think of how a vacuum forms directly behind a van and sucks road debris and dirt onto the back of the van.  One fix is to install an air deflector on the roof that forces air down the back of the van to kill the vacuum.  On a bike windshield having a slot at the base of the shield (high pressure area) that directs air up the inside of the windshield "kills" the vacuum and allows for much smoother airflow.  For this to work well it needs to be properly engineered, with the correct size and angle of the air intake.  Just drilling a couple holes may or may not provide an improvement, and trial and error could get pretty expensive.

Harley is aware of the concept.  I had a small quarter fairing on my '99 FXDX that Harley offered in the catalog, and the shield was set up like I described above.  However, for whatever reason Harley hasn't seen fit to improve the shields they install on their Touring bikes.  In fact, the tiny "looks cool" deflectors they install on Street Glides and most CVO models are actually worse than the larger standard shields in terms of rider comfort and protection.  Never forget, with Harley it's all about style, not function.

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Re: Windshield mod?
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2013, 01:57:08 AM »

I can vouch for the Cee Baileys shield though I think you'll only need the 14".  See here:  Re: SERG AND CVO: VERY GOOD TO ME! NEXT?  The mounting angle of the fairing is slightly different on the newer models but I doubt very much it will make any difference.
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Re: Windshield mod?
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2013, 02:24:38 AM »

You could look at a Clearview shield they even offer an adjustable vent down low near the faring.  I have read where some like it even if it looks like it belongs on an import bike. They have a good return policy where you could try the shield out and return it if you don't like it as long as you leave the film on the shield.
http://clearviewshields.com/shop/product.php?id=9
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Re: Windshield mod?
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2013, 03:24:58 PM »

You should already have the flaps on the crash bar, I highly recommend that you install the "dog dish" (wind deflector) under the triple trees, before you start shuffling windshields
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Re: Windshield mod?
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2013, 03:42:27 PM »

I'm not sure if the RG Custom comes with these:  http://www.harley-davidson.com/store/fltr-wind-deflector-kit

If not, they help.  But nothing is going to help a windshield that is simply too short. Having owned both a batwing bike and an RG, I can say that windshield height on a RG is absolutely critical to alleviate buffeting.

The Cee Glide by Cee Bailey mounts differently, so there is a small gap between the bottom of the shield and the fairing (you don't use the rubber gasket) which also helps reduce the pressure differential.  Regardless, you MUST get the height right.  It's one of those function over form things...only you can decide which of the two is more important.

The last one I had on the SERGU was a Clearview, finally getting the height right for me, and it worked like a charm.  I had the Cee Glide as well, but it was too tall for me, so I sold it.  Both are excellent products.  Measure three times and order once.
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Re: Windshield mod?
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2013, 08:24:44 AM »

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Re: Windshield mod?
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2013, 08:55:05 AM »

I am watching a stock shield on ebay if it sells cheap enough . I am going to try cutting a pressure relief hole/slot in the bottom front and see what happens. In the mean time I am going to get the dog dish, the bike did come with the plastic deflectors and they are on. Other than that leaning toward the Cee Baylee. 14"
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Re: Windshield mod?
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2013, 09:02:25 AM »

Not considered a REAL roadglide owner till your garage has 3 windshields in storage.
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Re: Windshield mod?
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2013, 09:09:48 AM »

Greg can you look over the 14" CB?
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Re: Windshield mod?
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2013, 11:50:57 AM »

Greg can you look over the 14" CB?


Yes, I can look over it and do.  It is also not so dark that you cannot look through it if you need.   (5'11" -  32" inseam)
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Re: Windshield mod?
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2013, 02:56:43 PM »

check out the MAKO from LongRideShields.com been using this for over a year and it works and looks pretty good
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Re: Windshield mod?
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2013, 06:21:32 PM »

I agree the Mako looks pretty good.
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Re: Windshield mod?
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2013, 07:32:58 PM »

Hi 2cents worth I gave up on the windscreens left it stock an bought a shoe full face helmet designed for upright riding and Wala no buffeting and I am 6'2 32instep bike looks as nature intended stock.
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