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Re: 110 Needs a New Crank
« Reply #45 on: April 27, 2013, 09:27:52 PM »

Blow is spelt "blow" not "blo".


Blow, blo or blew he made his point very clear!
Good job FlaHeatWave.

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Re: 110 Needs a New Crank
« Reply #46 on: April 27, 2013, 09:56:14 PM »

If you went with an out of the box,not modded se crank,and paid the difference,would that not void your warranty?

The SE crank that we put in the '01 FXDWG2 in '05, came with billet H-beam rods.

The SE cranks / rods in the current catalogue for the 110s look the same as the original one (cast or forged, I don't know ?). My Dealer told me to "save your money".

If the current SE cranks had the billet H-beam rods, no question, I would have went that route.

To answer your question; I would have a better chance getting an unmodified SE crank past ESP than a modded one
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Re: 110 Needs a New Crank
« Reply #47 on: April 27, 2013, 09:58:31 PM »


Blow, blo or blew he made his point very clear!
Good job FlaHeatWave.

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Re: 110 Needs a New Crank
« Reply #48 on: April 27, 2013, 10:00:31 PM »

I ran spell check, 'just wanted to get it past the admins 



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Re: 110 Needs a New Crank
« Reply #49 on: April 28, 2013, 08:16:38 PM »

 I have been reading this great website for about 10 years. Sorry but  I had to jump in on this topic. My '05 CVO 103's :cherry: crank failed at 10,100 miles. After two phone calls  to H-D they agreed to warranty the job (out of warranty). I read all over the web that these crank failures in twin cam H-Ds are more common than I realized. I investigated all angles new H-D crank or rework old crank. Anybody who researches this topic and gets educated will do what I did. Send the old crank to Hoban's Cycle (Dark Horse). Adrian is a good Dude.  Have them true, balance, pin & weld the crank and be done with the BS. 
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Re: 110 Needs a New Crank
« Reply #50 on: April 28, 2013, 08:58:01 PM »

I have been reading this great website for about 10 years. Sorry but  I had to jump in on this topic. My '05 CVO 103's :cherry: crank failed at 10,100 miles. After two phone calls  to H-D they agreed to warranty the job (out of warranty). I read all over the web that these crank failures in twin cam H-Ds are more common than I realized. I investigated all angles new H-D crank or rework old crank. Anybody who researches this topic and gets educated will do what I did. Send the old crank to Hoban's Cycle (Dark Horse). Adrian is a good Dude.  Have them true, balance, pin & weld the crank and be done with the BS. 

My '05 SEEG is coming up on 50k mi. with 0 drama.

A good friend of mine that averages runs a lot of miles is on his third bike since '06;
his '06 SE Ultra 103 = 93k mi. no drama in the bottom end.
his '10 Limited punched to 107 = 75k mi. no drama in the bottom end
his '12 Skunk = crank fail at 16k mi.
I know 33% is a high fail rate per bike, but 184k mi. with one bottom end drama is another way of looking at it.

I guess you read my previous posts regarding what I will do if the bottom end fails again in the '09 SERG???
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Re: 110 Needs a New Crank
« Reply #51 on: April 29, 2013, 09:30:21 PM »

I did read your post. I respect your opinion. I did not have a ESC and had H-D in agreement to replace the crank with their cast pressed crank again. I decided the best way to go was to fix the problem( cost was less than the new screamin eagle crank). I didn't want to know that the crank was a weak link and may possibly be tearing down the motor again. I was also concerned about safety. When the first one failed the motor locked up. I was only at approximately 10 mph but still skidded to a stop. That all said, I love the bike. Red Shift 575's, new style cam plate + oil pump, vance & hines pro pipe chrome, race tuner, k&n cleaner, 102 hp & 108 tq. :)
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Re: 110 Needs a New Crank
« Reply #52 on: May 08, 2013, 08:50:22 PM »

My '05 SEEG is coming up on 50k mi. with 0 drama.

A good friend of mine that averages runs a lot of miles is on his third bike since '06;
his '06 SE Ultra 103 = 93k mi. no drama in the bottom end.
his '10 Limited punched to 107 = 75k mi. no drama in the bottom end
his '12 Skunk = crank fail at 16k mi.
I know 33% is a high fail rate per bike, but 184k mi. with one bottom end drama is another way of looking at it.

Alright ~ I had to chime in I am this guy.  If you would like to verify the facts that I am about to post please come ride with us.  We meet everyday in St Johns County Florida at 10:30 am on CR13 just west of World Golf Village exit 324 off of I-95.  I ride with some guys that ride ALOT ~  here are the stats with no crank failure till I had mine on the skunk

My Bikes 30 HD's no crank failures.
Most Recent
06 cuse 93k traded in 2009
10 FLHTK 75k sold when I bought the Skunk
12 Skunk puchased 9/27 495 miles when I bought it 16k at failure May 11th Austin Texas.

Guys I ride with (yes these are the real miles and initials)
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03 Anniversary Electra Glide 208,000 miles ~ top end and cam chest rebuilt at 180,000 miles
03 Anniversary Dyna Wide Glide 44,000 miles stock and never been into
01 Heritage 60000 miles stock and never been into
10 CVO Street Glide 126,000 miles (rebuilt cam chest, honed top end, new pistons/rings, mild porting on heads) went into due to a lifer noise at 118k (he does his own work on all his bikes)

not sure of other issues eg compensators etc on these four.

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08 Ultra Classic 143,000 miles never split cases 140k compensator multiple transmission main drive shaft seal issues. (sits in my garage until I get mine back ~ I'm riding it daily :)) and a new trany at some point (case and gears)
11 CVO Road Glide Ultra 108,000 miles No crank failure yet.  Compensator replaced two weeks ago.

My Current Bike.

12 CVO Skunk 16k miles, baker DD7, Stage III'd by dealer before I purchased (his demo).  Also Tour Pak, BDL Compensator, Baker Manual Chain Adjuster.  I am going to use a silvermoon crank H Beam ROds, timken bearing, Feuling Camplate, oil pump, SE ADJ Pushrods, C&P Pistons & Rings, bore stock jugs to 113, Woods TW8-6, Heads modified by Rosas cycle in Huntington NY, HPI 60mm Throttle body & intake. Oasis cycles Brandon Mississippi is performing the build.

10 FLHTK: 5 compensators in 75k (yes the se compensator), had a rear head exhaust valve guide come out at 30k and then upgraded the heads to FM type b.

06 CUSE: 93k clutch basket (oops speed shifting), multiple cruise servo's, 40k & 80k rear head exhaust valve guide came out.

So the short of it 9 HD's (twin cams), 600k documented miles, first crank failure on my 12 (newest & lowest mileage) at 16k.  If you toss in FHW's 9 SERG with 10k you are still looking at 600k miles and a 20% failure rate ~

FlaHeatWave is a great friend of mine, his 01 FXDWG2 was purchased new by me :), we ride alot together and plan on doing many more miles.  I cannot say I was surprised when he told me his crank was questionable at 10k, and I advised the same as many of you.  The difference is he has a great relationship with his dealer (I live 400 miles east of him) and has 3 cvo's in the garage to choose from.

I am sure my NEW bottom end, and hope my NEW top end are solid for 100k or so.  IMHO the cranks are a crapshoot at best.  We choose to ride CVO's and I'm sure with a little more expense on the MoCo's part they could make the engines much more dependable.  But they know the costs, have the stats and understand the risk, return, and failure rates of their products.  We all are proud to ride CVO's and choose not to ride a K1600GTL or Goldwing so we assume (unfortunately) a certain risk associated with a sometimes frustrating product.  I plan on riding the wheels off the Skunk and planned on doing the crank, engine down the road ~ just figured I could roll it more than sixteen k.  I ride em hard, fast & frequently ~ yes I was clocked at 106mph on the 06 cuse eastbound on I-10.  FHP was shocked to see a Dresser rollin there, in my defense I was slowin down when he clocked me....

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Re: 110 Needs a New Crank
« Reply #53 on: May 08, 2013, 09:13:57 PM »

you can lead a hourse to water but you cant make him drink :-\

You stick his head in the bucket and suck on his other end he'll swallow something! (Just sayin)
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Re: 110 Needs a New Crank
« Reply #54 on: May 09, 2013, 09:25:06 PM »

You stick his head in the bucket and suck on his other end he'll swallow something! (Just sayin)
How do you know for sure??? Sounds like you have first hand experience???
 Got any video???
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Re: 110 Needs a New Crank
« Reply #55 on: May 10, 2013, 10:52:15 PM »

Well that's a big drag. I was just gonna ask about running the T-Max with redshift 575 cams and what other mods I'd want to make it more reliable. I'll probably make a thread anyway or search for Fullsac pipes with 18mm bung but I was thinking about running the T-max with the D Xpipe. I'm set to go with the Fullsac pipe either way but this makes me rethink about doing any internal mods at all and just run her out the way she is. If she lasts through the ESP warranty then fine, if not then I'll consider options at that time. Sure, having the SEPRT and aftermarket pipes could give the ESP folks reason enough to cancel the warranty but I don't feel comfortable now in making a cam change and giving them another reason to cancel out if I'm on the road. The local H-D shop installing the cam might cover any damages if it goes bag but it's the off chance that I'll be away from home when it does have problems. Haven't dealt with my local shop enough to warrant having the bike shipped to them for repairs and with my current schedule there's a good chance she'd get left where she dies and I continue either with a rental car or fly home. I'd evaluate repairs or sale enroute to home.

Kinda like having a pretty girl but you never know if her heart is gonna is gonna seize up while you're shaggin' her. Weird metaphor I guess but kinda the same thing. You enjoy lovin' her and spending time wih her but whadda you do if she dies?
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Re: 110 Needs a New Crank
« Reply #56 on: May 11, 2013, 12:49:08 AM »

I feel that I have more of a chance of ESP accepting a claim if I stay with Harley (SE) stuff in the motor, while traveling.

'Looked at all the tuners, cams, etc... and decided to stay with the SE stuff as stated above. Also the SE stuff suits my performance needs (the '01 FXDWG2 is Really Quick (traps towards 120) with all SE internals) Besides I don't ride dyno charts and don't want to go that fast anymore. 'Just want the 110 to get out of it's own way.

The T-Max ECM is a good unit, but I don't think ESP would swallow that one. 'Have never heard of anybody (East of the Mississippi) getting a claim refused for pipes. Just because I haven't heard of it doesn't mean it hasn't happened, but I don't think ESP gives a rat's a$$ about pipes.

Harley is paying out on 06cuse's Skunk (SE Stage III when he bought it) and I am pretty sure he is still within factory warranty and not into his ESP yet.

I think you answered your own question about the girl you were shaggin'...
"There's a good chance she'd get left where she dies and I either continue with a rental car or fly home" (I'm with 'ya on that one :2vrolijk_21:)
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Re: 110 Needs a New Crank
« Reply #57 on: July 07, 2013, 08:44:10 PM »

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Hey I checked my crank on THE ORIGINAL CVO BIKE and it only came in at .0001, dang I wonder if I have a problem on that bike.....

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Since these 110" bikes have come out there has been literally books penned on this topic....how much are you guys paying for all of this nonsense anyway....close to 45K now.....

If any of you are interested you can get a nice patina CVO FXR for ehhhh what maybe $7,500 now....lol....that's about as much as it will take you to fix that blown up engine...

ok.....ok.....ok......I am back to the FXR SECTION....before I get plastered....

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Re: 110 Needs a New Crank
« Reply #58 on: July 08, 2013, 10:32:27 AM »

I feel that I have more of a chance of ESP accepting a claim if I stay with Harley (SE) stuff in the motor, while traveling.

'Looked at all the tuners, cams, etc... and decided to stay with the SE stuff as stated above. Also the SE stuff suits my performance needs (the '01 FXDWG2 is Really Quick (traps towards 120) with all SE internals) Besides I don't ride dyno charts and don't want to go that fast anymore. 'Just want the 110 to get out of it's own way.

The T-Max ECM is a good unit, but I don't think ESP would swallow that one. 'Have never heard of anybody (East of the Mississippi) getting a claim refused for pipes. Just because I haven't heard of it doesn't mean it hasn't happened, but I don't think ESP gives a rat's a$$ about pipes.

Harley is paying out on 06cuse's Skunk (SE Stage III when he bought it) and I am pretty sure he is still within factory warranty and not into his ESP yet.

I think you answered your own question about the girl you were shaggin'...
"There's a good chance she'd get left where she dies and I either continue with a rental car or fly home" (I'm with 'ya on that one :2vrolijk_21:)

Actually, HD refused my lemon law claim based on changing the exhaust and causing the 110" issues on everyone's motorcycle.  Including the bad crank. 
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Re: 110 Needs a New Crank
« Reply #59 on: July 08, 2013, 11:00:08 AM »

Actually, HD refused my lemon law claim based on changing the exhaust and causing the 110" issues on everyone's motorcycle.  Including the bad crank. 
Wow....That's screwed up.
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