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CVO Social => Rider Down => Topic started by: andpopse on September 22, 2014, 02:59:04 PM
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http://youtu.be/xq2xStb0R-c
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Wow - what a tragic episode to view... That video will certainty make one re-think what can happen. Thanks for posting.
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It does not matter what type of bike you are on. Sportbike or cruiser would have been the same result.
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It does not matter what type of bike you are on. Sportbike or cruiser would have been the same result.
I agree the result would be the same especially at that speed.
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Much too fast for conditions. I hate to hear of these kinds of accidents but at a reasonable speed there is a good chance he could have avoided that collision.
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Much too fast for conditions. I hate to hear of these kinds of accidents but at a reasonable speed there is a good chance he could have avoided that collision.
I agree, Art. This was tragic, but that young man obviously liked going fast. Too fast, IMHO...
Ken
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I have no idea on what the speed limit was at the time of the accident so I can't really comment accurately on the speed, although the conditions may have called for more caution. The point is slow or fast the car either saw him and continued on or he didn't see him for one reason or another. Speed is a factor regardless of the posted speed limit but the car gave him zero options. I think everyone on this site that racks up miles has run into the driver that will cut you off on purpose because they can and we have those that are just not paying attention. Speed or not, sometimes decisions are made for us and we have no choice. Riding slower will improve your chances and may give you more choices but it is not a guaranty to anything. Really sad to see a parent go through that. I give her allot of credit because she tells both sides to show more caution.
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I have no idea on what the speed limit was at the time of the accident so I can't really comment accurately on the speed, although the conditions may have called for more caution. The point is slow or fast the car either saw him and continued on or he didn't see him for one reason or another. Speed is a factor regardless of the posted speed limit but the car gave him zero options. I think everyone on this site that racks up miles has run into the driver that will cut you off on purpose because they can and we have those that are just not paying attention. Speed or not, sometimes decisions are made for us and we have no choice. Riding slower will improve your chances and may give you more choices but it is not a guaranty to anything. Really sad to see a parent go through that. I give her allot of credit because she tells both sides to show more caution.
He was said to be doing 97 mph when the car cut him off. Bad deal.
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He was said to be doing 97 mph when the car cut him off. Bad deal.
Wow! I could see that he was going very fast... passing other vehicles as if they were standing still. Lots of testosterone in that vid.
I feel sad for the parents, but it makes me angry to see a rider going so fast like that in traffic, zipping around people and endangering himself and others. It's often sportbike riders who do stupid cowboy chit like that...
Ken
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Wow! I could see that he was going very fast... passing other vehicles as if they were standing still. Lots of testosterone in that vid.
I feel sad for the parents, but it makes me angry to see a rider going so fast like that in traffic, zipping around people and endangering himself and others. It's often sportbike riders who do stupid cowboy chit like that...
Ken
Ken I had mine up to 100 yesterday but I was alone on an abandoned County Road not a car in sight. I also dropped it right back to 65. Just not smart in heavy traffic.
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That's just terrible, that's the reason I got rid of my Ducati multistrada you just can ride on public roads at speeds like that. It was fun while it lasted but I figured I'd get a huge ticket lose my license or end up like him. Top speed 168mph glad I'm here to talk about it. I think it was good of the family to post, it just might save a life.
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There is of course no excuse to go 97 in traffic (if he did).
In my opinion and in general, Normally sport bike riders are better riders than the Harley crowd. In the sport bike groups people take pride in being able to ride well. My experience is that our crowd (HD) are more concerned with chrome and sound than actually learn how to ride. Accident statistics seems to show that as well.
I feel sorry for his parents. Awful to lose a child.
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Really sad and scary to watch this. Going way too fast like that will get you killed. I feel really awful watching that,, So many times the people in cars make that left in front of a motorcycle. Be careful out there. Stuart.
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WOW !!! Nothing good will come out of doing 97 in traffic that's for sure.
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I owned a sport bike as well, people that ride that fast in those traffic conditions are not good riders or experienced at all. That's irresponsible, reckless, stupid and careless! I'm sorry it happened as well but all bikers need to use their dam heads. I see these kids riding wheelies down busy main road ways here all the time, of course during traffic hour.
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Very sad way to lose a child. The driver may have seen the bike but from past experience of normal closing speeds figured they had plenty of time to make the turn. When you are closing at close to three times the prevailing traffic rate it is very hard for the average driver to judge distances and time. This is the poster video of why you keep it on the track.
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There's information about this very topic on the Motolight website and how the 'triangle of light' aids to
'enhance the ability of the driver of an oncoming vehicle to judge distance and speed of a motorcycle to a degree of accuracy equivalent to an automobile'. Could be a life saver and at the least, allow you to be seen on a motorcycle. I've only had my caliper mounted lights on a short time but can tell by the looks of oncoming traffic once they get closer they work. I purchased the brightest LED's they offer.
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I'm a firm believer in the Motolights.
I ride in an area with high DWI's (hint - "I" does not equal intoxicated), and many times I have seen the "look a driver gives when he/she notices the bike.
That is also a reason I have yet to "match" my light colors. White LED's Motos, near white HID headlight and the yellow halogens. I think it stands out more.
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I agree 100% with dedalgo, once in a while I have made a turn figuring the vehicle was doing the speed limit or slightly faster only to have a vehicle going at a rate of speed I could not mentally adjust for in time, but how can you judge that kind of speed accurately. No matter how skilled or unskilled the biker was, it was way to fast for those conditions. As previously mentioned he put himself and others at risk. There is no place for that kind of riding in that kind of traffic. The opposite can also cause nasty situations when a group of bikers are out for a Sunday ride doing well under the speed limit, some look like it's there first time on a bike as they brake for every corner as the traffic behind them grows. They never pull over and eventually someone will pass and again put others at risk. It takes all kinds but the non riding public groups us all in one neat package.
I hired a kid up the road 2 summers ago to help with some tree cutting and he drove in with his $3000.00 used Kawasaki 1400. Here is a kid just out of the military looking for action and for cheap money he gets a bike that had the speed limiter turned off, his top speed at the time was 185 but he was hoping for 200 with some new stuff he had just purchased. I saw him the next summer and he was caught speeding over 135, handcuffed and bike towed, lost his lis. and was walking, but not very fast.
Many of us have done like Jswerve wrote, we can ride to stretch the legs out but that does not mean we travel continuously at that speed.
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Praying for all of us with the need for speed.
Rev. Dr. Don
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That's just terrible, that's the reason I got rid of my Ducati multistrada you just can ride on public roads at speeds like that. It was fun while it lasted but I figured I'd get a huge ticket lose my license or end up like him. Top speed 168mph glad I'm here to talk about it. I think it was good of the family to post, it just might save a life.
Same exact reason I traded my Granturismo in for this ... and no comfort for road trips. That Duc was the fastest bike I ever had, unbelievable power and handling. I had mine over 150 a few times, but not in traffic. Fun to go fast every now and then, but you have to know when/where to do it and he was wrong on both there. Unfortunately he paid the ultimate price and will never get the chance to learn from that mistake.
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NTSA Statistics, 2012:
In 2012, 2,624 of all motorcycles (52%) involved in fatal crashes collided with another type of motor vehicle in transport. In two-vehicle crashes, 75 percent of the motorcycles involved in motor vehicle traffic crashes collided with the vehicles in the front of them. Only 7 percent were struck in the rear. Motorcycles are more likely to be involved in fatal collisions with fixed objects than are other vehicles. In 2012, 22 percent of the motorcycles involved in fatal crashes collided with fixed objects, compared to 18 percent for passenger cars, 14 percent for light trucks, and 4 percent for large trucks. In 2012, there were 2,317 two-vehicle fatal crashes involving a motorcycle and another type of vehicle. In 41 percent (953) of these crashes, the other vehicles were turning left while the motorcycles were going straight, passing, or overtaking other vehicles. Both vehicles were going straight in 524 crashes (23%). NHTSA considers a crash to be speeding-related if the driver was charged with a speeding-related offense or if an officer indicated that racing, driving too fast for conditions, or exceeding the posted speed limit was a contributing factor in the crash. In 2012, 34 percent of all motorcycle riders involved in fatal crashes were speeding, compared to 22 percent for passenger car drivers, 18 percent for lighttruck drivers, and 8 percent for large-truck drivers.
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That could be any of us no matter what type of bike. Hopefully better sense will prevail...
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go fast in the fast places; go slow in the slow places…. is what I learned in my 'sport-bike' days..
The below link is a very good primer on this type of riding. Everyone should take some time and read and digest it. There is no better teacher than one who has 'been there, done that, with success'.
http://www.sportrider.com/pace-yourself
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go fast in the fast places; go slow in the slow places…. is what I learned in my 'sport-bike' days..
The below link is a very good primer on this type of riding. Everyone should take some time and read and digest it. There is no better teacher than one who has 'been there, done that, with success'.
http://www.sportrider.com/pace-yourself
Makes sense. Thanks for the link.
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Good article
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A little common/horse sense is all it takes..
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Good article. Speed is always a factor and with bikes you have less protection. I think the statistics reflect that most motorcycle deaths occur with sport (crotch rocket) bikes while cruisers have the lowest. Sport bikes go faster and can be bought for less. I know I had them when I was young and luckily survived (I still have an old 1980 750 that flies). Most of us HD bikers are a little more "aged" and enjoy simply cruising and have experience to help us out. I learned about riding on fast light bikes and enjoyed those days (started back in the old USMC days). Now I enjoy the "ride" and I don't trust anyone while riding. I hate any accidents that happen especially on bikes since the odds are not in the rider's favor.
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Skewed stats.
Look how many midle aged poor HD riders that die I single vehicle accidents with alcohol in their systems.
Glad they kill themselves and not other people.