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CVO Technical => Cleaning/Detailing => Topic started by: DHTDHT on December 10, 2006, 05:19:55 PM
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My dark blue Harley is just not ready for a polish, so I decided to do a very preliminary test on my metallic light brown jeep that is a year old and has never been polished. I tested three products:
1. Glare Spider followed by their pro polish.
2. MeGuiar's #7 polish, no waxing.
3. Zaino.
Results are as follows:
1. Daylight viewing: undetectable between any brand to naked eye.
2. Flourescent light: undetectable.
3. Slippery feel to finger: Glare is best.
4. Water beading: Glare is slightly better.
I really need to repeat these tests on dark paint, but the preliminary results show all three products have an excellent result and shine, but the Glare seems to be better to the touch and to water beading. I am most interested in doing the test again on dark paint, under flourescent light, and to include Harley Glaze, and to add the MeGuiar's Carnuba Wax after their polish. That is only fair to MeGuiars, since the other two products were given the "two step" process.
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DHTDHT that is great. I am glad we have an unbiased opinion.
Can you tell us how many coats ect????? The condition of the paint before application? Did the paint have clear coat? On the glare and Zaino products did you follow instructions to the t?
I know a lot of questions but someone on here might have beat me to them.
Be Safe
THE DAWG
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Thanks for posting the early results. Lots of questions already asked but how easy was application? Thanks again.
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I did follow all instructions to the T, and I am an old Zaino pro.
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I did follow all instructions to the T, and I am an old Zaino pro.
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I agree with the abrasive nature of the Micro Polish, the harshest of the 3. I don't know about the abrasive content of the Sspider and and Polish, but that Micro Finish sure got rid of all the fine scratches on my '99 which is going up for sale just in time for Daytona.
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DC, I basicly agree with you on this, but I'll post more results as I'm able. I always used Zaino on my Honda S2000 sportscar, and was very impressed with its mild nature and nice shine. It did not take out the swirl marks on my black Superglide that were visible only under flourescent light. I suppose each product has its pluses and minuses.
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DC, I basicly agree with you on this, but I'll post more results as I'm able. I always used Zaino on my Honda S2000 sportscar, and was very impressed with its mild nature and nice shine.
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I believe that the pro-polish is all you need for maintenance. I wanted to throw in the Spider as a first step on a previously unpolished paint surface. It is so hard to make comparisons on light colored metallic paint. I guess that's why it is so popular in the automotive industry
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I believe that the pro-polish is all you need for maintenance.
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Hoist, the pro polish is not abrasive and is all that is required after the intitial application process, which is very easy. A touch up on occasion is all that is needed. I've been using the Glare since I got the bike last June...it's the only product thats ever touched the paint on my Ultra, my Duc, and the Vrod. It makes the red on the V and Duc really pop.
For another unbiased review,check out this site, which was what made me purchase the product last April
http://www.webbikeworld.com/r2/glare-polish/glare-polish.htm
There is a link at the bottom of the page for a test of the Glare Spider product as well. Judge for yourself...these guys have tried it all. The site is an excellent reference for other motorcycle related products as well.
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Hoist, the pro polish is not abrasive and is all that is required after the intitial application process, which is very easy.
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DHT, since it's preliminary, it sounds preliminarily good. I'd like to hear what you have to say on dark paint. Is the Glare multi-step process required every time? I thought you would do this to get the swirls out and just 1 step for maintenance or would that not work? [highlight]Would the multi-step process deteriorate the clear coat over time? [/highlight]Inquiring polishers want to know.
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The one with abrasives sure will. That is why I am still going to use Zaino. If you go to their web site and read all about the multi step process including the use of a clay bar in the the very first application you will see why.
The guys on the show vehicle circuit use Zaino. There is a reason for that. If you pay 10 grand or more for a paint job you want the very best. NO ABRASIVES nadda none. Your bike takes enough of a beating on the road from simple road grime.
I have what I think is a superior product. I have used it for years. The dirty truck in MV had Zaino on it and has for years, it is a 2001 and still looks new. Toooo many people made comments on how good the truck looked.
Be Safe
THE DAWG
Sure it's in here somewhere, but how about a link or number for the best (translated least expensive) place to order Zaino?
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OK, I just jumped into this tread after being away for the weekend. It has obviously been alterered by our moderators a little.
I have already purchased the Glare product.
TC, are you saying that I don't need to use all 3 products on my new B/O ? There are no swirl marks just the orange peel that I can live with. All I want is a good shine & some protectant. TIA, AJ
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Sure it's in here somewhere, but how about a link or number for the best (translated least expensive) place to order Zaino?
SORY BLM
WWW.ZAINOBROS.COM
Be Safe
THE DAWG
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AJ...initially, I would only use the Pro polish on the new bike, unless you see swirl marks in the black from dealer prep, etc.
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Terry actually the new cars that are transported by rail have rail dust on them. It gets embeded in the paint the only way to remove it is with a clay bar and soap and water mixture. I am sure there are some inpurities on the finish of our bikes as well. That is why I use the clay bar. It is also great for removal of those hard to remove bugs from the front of your bike. That is all I use before Zaino. If I had an older vehicle then a machine compound would be a good start before the clay bar.
Go to the Zaino website and read the application instructions. They have been around for some time now and are not just another new product. Also they do not advertise, they don't have too.
Glare may turn out to be superior to Zaino and I really don't know if it will. It may be the new craze on the show car circuit again I don't know. I know I have a lot of product on the shelf and will continue to use it until it is gone.
Be Safe
THE DAWG
Mike...haven't ever experienced that before. 3M makes a lot of good stuff and that's what I used to use when needing to get serious stuff off the finish of any of my vehicles...and no.7 Dupont.
I think people should use whatever they are comfortable and happy with. I've not used the Zaino...I'm sure by some of what has been said here it is an excellent product, as is the Glare. Probably a toss up, depending on what you need to do with the finish/paint. I'm not really a proponent of Glare other than to say that I know it works very well and will give people better results than some other products I've used over the years. If something better comes along, I'll give it a try as well. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
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Mike...haven't ever experienced that before.
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Here is a buffing Guide for those that are unclear on which GLARE Product does what, as well as what necessary steps to take for any given paint situation...
http://autopolish.net/buffdirections.asp
Also handy in doing an accurate Appearance Test is a Gloss Meter, which is a handheld laboratory testing device designed to measure reflective gloss all the way up to mirror clarity and gives you a digital readout. This would be a handy supplement to doing the naked eye test which would give you a more accurate all around appearance test as the Gloss Meter can see what sometimes the naked eye cannot (as was the case with this pre-lim test).
Unfortunately not everyone is blessed with Eagle Vision.
A company called HORIBA out of Japan makes a high quality one.
Dont mind the references to the Buffing Pads as I know that most bikers will be applying by hand, the important thing is that you know what products to use in your given situation.
And just to clarify, the GLARE Pro Polish does not contain any types of metal-oxide abrasives and is the only product necessary as a maintenance.
Cheers!
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Yo Glarepro dude. pssst, I like you better this way.
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Anyone ever use Pinnacle wax? My friend uses it now instead of Zaino and swears by it.
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Just a note of "Correction" Glare Pro Polish has no abrasives in it. That is why you can polish your prescription eyeglasses with it. Something you cannot do with Zano! In fact it actually improves the lenses plastic or glass by filling the light surface scratches chemically and permanently.
Glare is the safest product you can use on any painted surface, chrome, glass, or plastic. Chrysler called us last week from Michigan and they are going to start using and selling the Glare. Reason! They completely saved their headlight and brake light lenses without having to use new ones. They restored them to better than new. Also they tested Glare and told us this product is the best they have ever tested, used, or applied period. I guess they will call it Mopar Glare. Just a note.
Regards,
Perry Stevens
Head Chemist
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Merry Christmas to all. ;D I just spent the past weekend polishing up mee ride(2003 FLHRSEI2) It had a swirl mark on the front fender. I used the Glare Spider and Glare Polish. And like an offer you can't refuse.. gone The swirl mark is gone. I then tried it on my Pearl White Acura, it has a 4 inch scratch on the hood. Altho under the right light and angle you can still see the scratch, I am truly impressed on how the Spider disolved and reduced the size of the scratch. Next was the Black 1993 Acura Legend. A daily driver that never gets washed and cleaned as often as it should. It had Swirls marks all over the paint from years of Automatic Car Washes. The swirl marks vanished and the paint looks new again. If it could only change the rust to shinny metal again ::) I highly recomend the Glare products after seeing how the worked this weekend . The worst the paint the more improvement you will see.
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Just a note of "Correction" Glare Pro Polish has no abrasives in it. That is why you can polish your prescription eyeglasses with it. Something you cannot do with Zano! In fact it actually improves the lenses plastic or glass by filling the light surface scratches chemically and permanently.
Glare is the safest product you can use on any painted surface, chrome, glass, or plastic. Chrysler called us last week from Michigan and they are going to start using and selling the Glare. Reason! They completely saved their headlight and brake light lenses without having to use new ones. They restored them to better than new. Also they tested Glare and told us this product is the best they have ever tested, used, or applied
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Dear Perry, Head Chemist, de facto internet salesperson,
The Pro Polish has no abrasives in it? So are you saying it is not a polish but a sealer/filler?
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Just a note of "Correction" Glare Pro Polish has no abrasives in it. That is why you can polish your prescription eyeglasses with it. [highlight]Something you cannot do with Zano![/highlight] In fact it actually improves the lenses plastic or glass by filling the light surface scratches chemically and permanently.
Glare is the safest product you can use on any painted surface, chrome, glass, or plastic. Chrysler called us last week from Michigan and they are going to start using and selling the Glare. Reason! They completely saved their headlight and brake light lenses without having to use new ones. They restored them to better than new. Also they tested Glare and told us this product is the best they have ever tested, used, or applied
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OK, this might be one completely dumb question but I know nothing about polish or waxing. (too much effort required) ;D
On my SED I have a small scratch (1") where I didn't quite lift the seat screw at the rear of the seat high enough and caught the top of the fender. I just got 2 of the Glare products, Spider and Pro-Polish. Do I use the Spider or should I get one of these clay bars ya'll are speaking of? And if the clay bar is best, where do you find those, Autozone? The scatch is deep enough to feel with my fingernail. Luckily it is in the gold paint and does not show up as bad as if it were in the black portion but I know it is there and if you a looking for it, it is easy to see.
Thanks,
MJZ
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Yes, GLARE Professional Polish is a Polish and a Sealant in one.
No, GLARE Professional Polish does not contain any types of Metal-Oxide Abbrassives.
Yes, GLARE Spider, GLARE Knockout, and GLARE Microfinish do contain Metal-Oxide Abbrasives.
Yes, ALL of the products mentioned above contain a negatively charged Silicate Ionic Compound dubbed "Glassplexin" which has chemical reactivity with paint or clearcoat, covalently bonding to the paint or clearcoat.
No, I am not going to address the accuasation of being a Snake-Oil Product as was expressed by the one member here because there is no valididty to that statement since GLARE was tested and proven on 3 several occasions in labs here in the US, Singapore, and Japan (HONDA) to do exactly what we claim it does exactly the way we claim it does.
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Thanks Terry and Ken. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
Ken, if I tried Spider and then Pro Polish (which both I already have) and that didn't do it, would it be too late to go back and try the Knock-Out then go back w/ Spider and Pro Polish?
Thanks,
Mark Z
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Yes, GLARE Professional Polish is a Polish and a Sealant in one.
No, GLARE Professional Polish does not contain any types of Metal-Oxide Abbrassives.
Does Pro Polish contain abrasives such as diatomaceous earth? Some sort of abrasive exists in any polish, otherwise it can not polish.
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Does furniture POLISH have abrasives in it?
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[smiley=beatdeadhorse.gif] [smiley=beatdeadhorse.gif]
Maybe im in the minority here..but perhaps you gentlemen could resolve this issue on the phone or via PM???
the back and forth about whats a polish and what isn't ; along with the ongoing chemistry class is kinda making my a$$ hurt...
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http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary
Main Entry: 2polish
Function: noun
1 a : a smooth glossy surface : LUSTER b : freedom from rudeness or coarseness : CULTURE c : a state of high development or refinement
2 : the action or process of polishing
3 : a preparation that is used to produce a gloss and often a color for the protection and decoration of a surface <furniture polish> <nail polish>
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It does not work like Pledge.
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I started this thread, and I don't think it is too contentious to ask the salemen/chemists who chimed in to directly answer my question: does Glare Pro have an abrasive in it? Please don't read this thread that I started if you don't want to hear my direct questions regarding the product.
Glarepro:
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[smiley=beatdeadhorse.gif] [smiley=beatdeadhorse.gif]
Maybe im in the minority here..but perhaps you gentlemen could resolve this issue on the phone or via PM???
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If you hang around this site long enough, sooner or later there will be a thread which bugs you. Now in my case, I started one titled " Talkin Smack" which irritated an "established" member right off and the next thing you know, I'm the freakin black sheep of the family. Big Daddy got off on the wrong side of a thread about oil temp gauages and started a pissin contest. If not for that, I would have gone off a couple times about a couple of threads. It's just human nature. Yeah, you're right Dude, don't like it, don't read it. But you know what a bunch of curious George's we all are, so that don't work. Let the guy rant and go on like you didn't even notice. I post chit sometimes just for the hell of it and it bugs me more when it gets ignored than when someone gets all pissy. ( chit that's what I was hopin for
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I started this thread, and I don't think it is to contentious to ask the salemen/chemists who chimed in to directly answer my question: does Glare Pro have an abrasive in it?
Sure, that's a valid question, but does it have to be asked in a barage dripping with sarcasm?
[highlight]Dear Perry, Head Chemist, de facto internet salesperson,[/highlight]
The Pro Polish has no abrasives in it? So are you saying it is not a polish but a sealer/filler?
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I started this thread, and I don't think it is to contentious to ask the salemen/chemists who chimed in to directly answer my question: does Glare Pro have an abrasive in it? Please don't read this thread that I started if you don't want to hear my direct questions regarding the product.
Glarepro:
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[smiley=zwtf.gif]cuth, I have been reading these posts as well and I think your being a bit Uncouth here, no one is forcing you to read or follow this thread, but if you like to be forced into things, as it seems, bend over and I'll make your ass hurt even more.
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Sure, that's a valid question, but does it have to be asked in a barage dripping with sarcasm?
Finish the tests you started this thread out about already.
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LOL! Still reading. ::)
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Those who can't handle skepticism remind me of the adversity Gallileo met when questioning the church as to whether it was possible that the sun actually revolved around the earth.
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If you hang around this site long enough, sooner or later there will be a thread which bugs you. Now in my case, I started one titled " Talkin Smack" which irritated an "established" member right off and the next thing you know, I'm the freakin black sheep of the family. Big Daddy got off on the wrong side of a thread about oil temp gauages and started a pissin contest. If not for that, I would have gone off a couple times about a couple of threads. It's just human nature. Yeah, you're right Dude, don't like it, don't read it. But you know what a bunch of curious George's we all are, so that don't work. Let the guy rant and go on like you didn't even notice. I post chit sometimes just for the hell of it and it bugs me more when it gets ignored than when someone gets all pissy. ( chit that's what I was hopin for
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Keep up the good work! [smiley=2thumbsup.gif]
Thanks! I knew you'd come around!
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I started this thread, and I don't think it is too contentious to ask the salemen/chemists who chimed in to directly answer my question: does Glare Pro have an abrasive in it? Please don't read this thread that I started if you don't want to hear my direct questions regarding the product.
Glarepro:
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Big B...the Blacksheep? now thats hard to imagine..... and YOU stirring the pot just for entertainment value...im SHOCKED.
Hell, if your buying the beer im come down to Dago Town and polish my ASS off...
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Little early for Cabin Fever yet isn't it buddy ? It ain't even Christmas. How deep is the white chit piled already ? I used to love to snow ski. Started when I was 10 with my Aunt who couldn't ski very well, but loved to go every weekend. I had to give it up at about 41 when the arthritis started messin with me. We used to go to Saddleback Mountain in Rangeley Maine. My Aunt said Sugarloaf was " Too Aspen " LOL
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DHTDHT-
I sure hope you don't mind me reading or replying to "Your" thread.
Now that you have the answer your looking for from Glarepro, when can us "observers" expect your unbiased opinion on your results?
Looking forward to your results.
p.s. Have you ever used Crystal-glo? And if so, what was your conclusion?
Thank you for your time.....It's greatly appreciated!
I should be doing my side by side test in about three weeks or so. I have a brand new bike, and don't want to use polishes unnecessarily. I haven't used Crystal-glo. So far, on my light colored Jeep, Glare seems to have a slight edge.
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Little early for Cabin Fever yet isn't it buddy ? It ain't even Christmas. How deep is the white chit piled already ? I used to love to snow ski. Started when I was 10 with my Aunt who couldn't ski very well, but loved to go every weekend. I had to give it up at about 41 when the arthritis started messin with me. We used to go to Saddleback Mountain in Rangeley Maine. My Aunt said Sugarloaf was " Too Aspen " LOL
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As for the Glare on my snowatchamacallit....
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Hey Big Boy...
Saddleback Mountain..thats right next to Brokeback Mountain aint it?
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"Baited breath"? Do you really have nightcrawlers in your mouth?
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I should be doing my side by side test in about three weeks or so.
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Maybe im in the minority here..but perhaps you gentlemen could resolve this issue on the phone or via PM???
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http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary
Main Entry: 2polish
Function: noun
1 a : a smooth glossy surface : LUSTER b : [highlight]freedom from rudeness or coarseness [/highlight]: CULTURE c : a state of high development or refinement
2 : the action or process of polishing
3 : a preparation that is used to produce a gloss and often a color for the protection and decoration of a surface <furniture polish> <nail polish>
Is this a description of your A$$???????? Now what do you really use this polish for?????LMAO
Be Safe
THE DAWG
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What's gonna happen to it in 3 weeks to cause a "necessary polish?"
(Did I spell everything correctly in my reply there, teacher?)
Geez, I don't know.
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Geez, [highlight]I don't know.[/highlight]
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I had to look back to what thread I was on. Thought it was cat vomit
103 if you are using Glare after seeing your bike in MV that is all the testimony I need
hope i speled everythingy right [smiley=oops.gif]
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Geez, I don't know.
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And I thought the Cat Vomit thread was entertaining ... this one is just as entertaining! [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] ;D [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif] [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif]
P.S. Glare IS the best! [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] If TcnBham and 103 give it raving reviews, enough said. Their bikes are beautiful.
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Wow, I can't tell you how much better I slept last night knowing the Glare has a non metal-oxide abbrasive in it! [smiley=oops.gif] sarcasim alert.
Hey if the chit works, I don't care if it has rock salt in it, as long as the bike looks good and the paints not peeling off.
DHTDHT, if you really want to help me out get Glarepro to give us free shipping on all of his products. Now that I care about. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
Later,
Ghost
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Last post for me on this thread...if you use this stuff, you will see with your own two eyes the outstanding results. If it has a mild abrasive in it, I am 100% convinced that you'd have to use the Pro product every day for 5 years before you ever saw a measurable decrease in clear coat. If you have scratches/swirls, the products they offer will repair them...period. It will protect your paint...period. It will give a depth of shine unlike any other product I've EVER seen or used, bar NONE, and I don't need a reflectopotentiometerwaterdropletbeadmeasurerhowquicklycatpukeslidesoff device to prove that to myself...period.
I would ask DHT what kind of Chemist he is (that is a rhetorical question, by the way) to question another Chemist's R&D on a product he has obviously spent a few years working on, and if he is NOT in the same SPECIFIC field of chemical research and development, my opinion would be that he is not qualified to call into question the lab testing, even in a professional manner, much less a caustic one. He is, however, as qualified as any of the rest of us to give his OPINION on how well the chit works.
An important side benefit of the product is that it protects against Cat Vomit, bird chit, bug innards, or tossed monkey turds....they just slide right off the fairing.... :o
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Last post for me on this thread...if you use this stuff, you will see with [highlight]your own two eyes[/highlight] the outstanding results. If it has a mild abrasive in it, I am 100% convinced that you'd have to use the Pro product every day for 5 years before you ever saw a measurable decrease in clear coat. If you have scratches/swirls, the products they offer will repair them...period. It will protect your paint...period. It will give a depth of shine unlike any other product I've EVER seen or used, bar NONE, and [highlight]I don't need a reflectopotentiometerwaterdropletbeadmeasurerhowquicklycatpukeslidesoff device to prove that to myself...period.[/highlight]
I would ask DHT what kind of Chemist he is (that is a rhetorical question, by the way) to question another Chemist's R&D on a product he has obviously spent a few years working on, and if he is NOT in the same SPECIFIC field of chemical research and development, my opinion would be that he is not qualified to call into question the lab testing, even in a professional manner, much less a caustic one. He is, however, as qualified as any of the rest of us to give his OPINION on how well the chit works.
An important side benefit of the product is that it protects against Cat Vomit, bird chit, bug innards, or tossed monkey turds....they just slide right off the fairing.... :o
You're right on the money, whatever works for you and makes you happy.
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Last post for me on this thread...if you use this stuff, you will see with your own two eyes the outstanding results. If it has a mild abrasive in it, I am 100% convinced that you'd have to use the Pro product every day for 5 years before you ever saw a measurable decrease in clear coat. If you have scratches/swirls, the products they offer will repair them...period. It will protect your paint...period. It will give a depth of shine unlike any other product I've EVER seen or used, bar NONE, and I don't need a reflectopotentiometerwaterdropletbeadmeasurerhowquicklycatpukeslidesoff device to prove that to myself...period.
I would ask DHT what kind of Chemist he is (that is a rhetorical question, by the way) to question another Chemist's R&D on a product he has obviously spent a few years working on, and if he is NOT in the same SPECIFIC field of chemical research and development, my opinion would be that he is not qualified to call into question the lab testing, even in a professional manner, much less a caustic one. He is, however, as qualified as any of the rest of us to give his OPINION on how well the chit works.
[highlight]An important side benefit of the product is that it protects against Cat Vomit, bird chit, bug innards, or tossed monkey turds....they just slide right off the fairing....[/highlight] :o
I can attest to that... ran through a angry mob of monkey turd throwers just the other day and my fairing looks like I just "Glared" it. [smiley=nervous.gif] Helpful hint ... ALWAYS keep your mouth closed when you are accosted by these villains. [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif] ;D ;)
BTW... won't use anything but Glare on my scoot. Great stuff!
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Last post for me on this thread...if you use this stuff, you will see with your own two eyes the outstanding results. If it has a mild abrasive in it, I am 100% convinced that you'd have to use the Pro product every day for 5 years before you ever saw a measurable decrease in clear coat. If you have scratches/swirls, the products they offer will repair them...period.
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An important side benefit of the product is that it protects against Cat Vomit, bird chit, bug innards, or tossed monkey turds....they just slide right off the fairing.... :o
Now that sounds like the voice of experience!
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Last post for me on this thread...if you use this stuff, you will see with your own two eyes the outstanding results. If it has a mild abrasive in it, I am 100% convinced that you'd have to use the Pro product every day for 5 years before you ever saw a measurable decrease in clear coat. If you have scratches/swirls, the products they offer will repair them...period.
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[highlight]I can attest to that... ran through a angry mob of monkey turd throwers just the other day and my fairing looks like I just "Glared" it.
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Just wear a full face and GLARE the helmet and shield... ;D ;D Then you are turd-proof 'cause everything is slicker than Owl Chit... ;)
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Just wear a full face and GLARE the helmet and shield... ;D ;D
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Terry, you thinkin' I needs to put sum Glare on JR's and Jerrry's seats for the polar bear ride in a couple of weeks? ;D ;D ;D ;D [smiley=bananarock.gif] [smiley=bananarock.gif] [smiley=bananarock.gif] (just love that new nana rocker)
Haven't heard about the polar bear ride [smiley=nixweiss.gif] You gonna' join them with that hot 'nana you're about to have?
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Man I'm going to have to get me some of that glare. Don't want any of those monkey turds sticken to my fairing. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] [smiley=mango.gif]
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Haven't heard about the polar bear ride
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What happened to "last post on this thread"? ;D Actually, I just thought this was a good time to jump in and wish you and Suzanne a Healthy and Happy Hoilday Terry! All the Best! [smiley=drink.gif] Hoist!
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Terry, had no idea you had ridden in Memphis. ;D
Now THAT'S funny! ;D I lived in Memphis for 30 years...then I ran away. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
Suzanne
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I never knew a cop could be so funny! ::) [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] (To be taken as a joke, right? ;D ) I guess you're looking at a white Xmas. Have a good one!
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Actually I am up to my A$$ in sending out rescue missions and such... I have Humvees and SUSVs scattered all over the state of colorado... Im stuck in my Ops Center for the next 3 days probably... this strorm is hammering us!!!!!
Scot... took me 2 hours to get home with AWD on what is normally a 20 minute commute. Almost didn't make it... I highsided the Subaru in the driveway on a 4 foot drift. Neighbors and wife helped me dig it out. I'm on my 3rd Black Russian... things don't seem so bad at the moment... ;)
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Scot... took me 2 hours to get home with AWD on what is normally a 20 minute commute. Almost didn't make it... I highsided the Subaru in the driveway on a 4 foot drift. Neighbors and wife helped me dig it out. I'm on my 3rd Black Russian... things don't seem so bad at the moment...
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What's all this concern on ''polishing the paint" and waiting for the paint to cure before doing it.
Aren't we just polishing the "clearcoat" anyway and removing fine swirls from the "clearcoat".
Isn't the clearcoat there to protect the paint and give the paint depth [smiley=confused5.gif]
So why do you have to wait for the ''paint'' to cure if it's protected by clearcoat [smiley=confused5.gif]
Sorry to intrude on dis tread....but I just wonda get some learnin' :-[
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Actually I am up to my A$$ in sending out rescue missions and such...
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What's all this concern on ''polishing the paint" and waiting for the paint to cure before doing it.
Aren't we just polishing the "clearcoat" anyway and removing fine swirls from the "clearcoat".
Isn't the clearcoat there to protect the paint and give the paint depth [smiley=confused5.gif]
So why do you have to wait for the ''paint'' to cure if it's protected by clearcoat [smiley=confused5.gif]
Sorry to intrude on dis tread....but I just wonda get some learnin' :-[ [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif]
Actually, it's been my experience that freshly painted multi-coated custom paint jobs need quite some time before the clear becomes hard enough to polish successfully. Just give it some time and it'll do much better. ;) JMHO. [smiley=drink.gif] spyder
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Actually I am up to my A$$ in sending out rescue missions and such...
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Actually, it's been my experience that freshly painted multi-coated custom paint jobs need quite some time before the clear becomes hard enough to polish successfully.
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I think you're exactly right, Spyder.
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The time involved for curing of the product would also depend on if it was baked in the booth prior to being delivered to the customer.
[highlight]Baking will cut the time to almost nothing[/highlight]!
I too am waiting on the test. For those of you that think it is the best you have ever seen wait till the test is over. Again I will not use a product with any kind of abrasive unless it was needed.
I think on the next CVO get together I will bring the Zaino system and let you see how it really does work. Like I said in past post. I know guys that have 10 grand + in a paint job and they will use nothing else but Zaino. You can bet they won't use anything with any kind of abrasive after the final buff form the painter.
Be Safe
THE DAWG
Pretty common misconception, DAWG.
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The time involved for curing of the product would also depend on if it was baked in the booth prior to being delivered to the customer.
Baking will cut the time to almost nothing!
I too am waiting on the test. For those of you that think it is the best you have ever seen wait till the test is over. Again I will not use a product with any kind of abrasive unless it was needed.
I think on the next CVO get together I will bring the Zaino system and let you see how it really does work. Like I said in past post. I know guys that have 10 grand + in a paint job and they will use nothing else but Zaino. You can bet they won't use anything with any kind of abrasive after the final buff form the painter.
Be Safe
THE DAWG
Until I re-read the original post in this thread, I didn't realize that DHT was talking about using his new blue SEUC. I can understand wanting to wait awhile on the new paint before you go polishing on it. However, DHT has at least 2 older BLACK bikes (see his sig.). I had been assuming one of those was going to be the test mule. Wouldn't it make more sense to use one of those, anyway? I'm not so sure the blue on the SEUC is dark enough to reveal the differences between the polishes to the naked eye. He calls it "dark blue," but it isn't, really.
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Pretty common misconception, DAWG.
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Until I re-read the original post in this thread, I didn't realize that DHT was talking about using his new blue SEUC.
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The two black bikes I own are at my second home in Vermont. I live primarily in Arizona. As to why I want to wait a bit on my new CVO bike, I guess I just don't want to polish a bike that doesn't need it yet. [highlight]BTW, it is a Springer, not a SEUC, and it is dark blue.[/highlight] I'd like to wait a bit to let some swirl marks develop so that I can see a difference.
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we're just all a little impatient to get the test results of a 'hands-on' test of the newest swirl-remover. I'll just have to go get another beer and wait, I guess. :-/ har! [smiley=drink.gif] spyder
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Spydy...the Webikeworld site has a test on a black tank showing the results of the Spider product and the Pro...In fact, they even show the results on chrome. It doesn't show a side by side with other products though.
I would like to know how long it is from time painted to assembly to delivery on a CVO bike? Does anyone have an idea? I would assume that the tins would be delivered for installation on the line, with probably the rear fender and/or inner fairing going on first...the tank, front fender, outer, and of course the side panels could go on after almost everything else was done. I'm talking about a SEUC of course...the only thing that might have to go on quickly on the other models is the rear fender. Just wondering so that others might get an idea about whether the paint is already "cured" a sufficient time by the time we pick our scooters up from the dealer...a lot of the dealers "detail" the bikes before pick up...which would include some kind of waxing/polishing. It has been my experience with all dark colors, whether on a vehicle or boat, that it is all but impossible to wash/clean the surface without swirl marks eventually showing up, no matter how careful one is. The road grime we pick up while riding sticks like glue to the surface, and even if I rinse thoroughly before hand washing, there's still going to be some fine grit on the surface that just won't come off without a good wash product and a mitt...I'm as anal as anyone about keeping the bike looking good, but I did buy it to ride, and chit's going to happen to the paint/chrome on the road to get it scratched/scuffed up, so you've got to use something to get that stuff off and a pure sealer won't work. I had a 19' Black/Silver Flake (10% flake, hull and all) Bass Cat...Black Merc, so I've had a lot of experience keeping up a dark finish with a ton of clear on top, and tried out practically everything on the market back in the mid 90's.
By the way...you guys with red or orange paint...I used this stuff on my red Ducati...I just THOUGHT it was red before!! It's as red as a Fox's A$$ as they say down here....
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Spydy...the Webikeworld site has a test on a black tank showing the results of the Spider product and the Pro...In fact, they even show the results on chrome.
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Terry,
For what it's worth, which probably isn't much, I applied GLARE to the entire SEUC the first weekend I had it.
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Bob...I did the same thing on all three of my bikes as soon as they got home. Washed, Glared, and leather treated. The only stuff that has happened to my bike have been road/user induced marks. I think by the time we get our bikes, the clear has cured, but I was curious...
I intend to Glare the replacement painted parts (and the rest of the scoot) when I get them installed. I agree that the curing process is over prior to the end customer getting the paint.
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The total cure time for the paint depends on which "generation" of clear coat H-D is using. The earliest urethanes weren't totally cured for as much as 30 days (molecular crosslinking continues even after the baking process). We use DuPont Gen III where I work and that has reduced the total cure time by about 50% over the earlier versions. I believe H-D uses PPG; I'm not sure about their total cure times but I would assume they would be competitive.
Still a good rule of thumb - don't dry wipe the paint or use abrasive polish until the paint has had at least 20 days to fully cure.
Jerry
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I presume you're basing your cure rate on 1 coat of clear?
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Spydy...the Webikeworld site has a test on a black tank showing the results of the Spider product and the Pro...In fact, they even show the results on chrome.
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Pretty common misconception, DAWG.
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Bob...I did the same thing on all three of my bikes as soon as they got home.
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She's SO pretty. [highlight]Guess we should call her Foxy[/highlight].
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Nope you should call her a PASTA GLIDE!!!!!!!LOL
Be Safe
THE DAWG
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The two black bikes I own are at my second home in Vermont. I live primarily in Arizona. As to why I want to wait a bit on my new CVO bike, I guess I just don't want to polish a bike that doesn't need it yet. BTW, it is a Springer, not a SEUC, and it is dark blue. I'd like to wait a bit to let some swirl marks develop so that I can see a difference.
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The total cure time for the paint depends on which "generation" of clear coat H-D is using.
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Just wait till you see the new products we have up our sleeves, ready to be released by Spring.
I'll clue you in on one thats for the body shop Guys, and was actually tested by Mitch Lanzini who paints for Chip Foose from Overhaulin.
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Thanks, Glarepro, for the inside info...I've watched the Overhaulin' show several times, and they put out some sweet paint jobs on those cars.
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Well it wasnt really a technical test per say, it was more of a demonstration since all the hard testing had already been done, but it was sure hell of fun to watch Mitch's eyes pop out of his sockets after trying the new GLARE Product prototype on a colorsanded fresh out the paint booth door panel.
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Glarepro, if you need a beta testing site, I'll take my bikes to Birmingham for Terry to try the new products on. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Hey MJZ, let us know when the trip to Terry's is for the 'new-stuff-polishing weekend', 'cause I'm not wanting to miss that one. [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif] har! [smiley=drink.gif] spyder
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Hey MJZ, let us know when the trip to Terry's is for the 'new-stuff-polishing weekend', 'cause I'm not wanting to miss that one.
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Hey Spydy,
Cool Helmet! I think it Rocks!!!! [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
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Hey Spydy,
Cool Helmet! I think it Rocks!!!!
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Hey Mark/Gary...you know those monkey turds?...a couple were just lobbed in your direction... ;D ;D
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Hey Mark/Gary...you know those monkey turds?...a couple were just lobbed in your direction... ;D ;D
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Hey Mark/Gary...you know those monkey turds?...a couple were just lobbed in your direction... ;D ;D
LOL!
HA ha ha ha!
I like it, I think the Black Widow is cool! Hope you have GLARE on your Helmet Spydy for those monkey Dookies or what ever else that may get flinged onto your HOG.
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Hey MJZ, let us know when the trip to Terry's is for the 'new-stuff-polishing weekend', 'cause I'm not wanting to miss that one.
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Y'all let me know when the "new stuff-polishing weekend" is planned because I don't think I can handle that much OCD in Terry's basement.
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Y'all let me know when the "new stuff-polishing weekend" is planned because I don't think I can handle that much OCD in Terry's basement.
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The cure times I mentioned previously are for a factory high-bake finish (300
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Y'all let me know when the "new stuff-polishing weekend" is planned because I don't think I can handle that much OCD in Terry's basement. ;D I'll go shopping or something. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
Just make sure you keep your cell phone w/you. With all the OCD/SEO maniacs in that basement more then likely well want you to stop by the dealer while you are out and pick up some shiny stuff for us. ;D
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Who's gonna bring us beer?!?
Oh yea, I forgot that..... After you leave the dealer, can you stop by the store and pick us up some Modelo's and another bottle of Patron. Please ;)
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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[smiley=drink.gif]yeah, bring us beer in those boots !!!
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You can model those new Christmas chaps. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
I just figured we all would offer Terry words of encouragement as he does all the work. We will bring the beer, pizza and supervision.
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We all know d00d is the detailer emeritus...I'm just an understudy...
That title was conceded at MV. I was shown what a real "detailer emeritus" is while there. I'm not calling any names, but I think it would belong to some of those that were up late at night, early in the morning, and washed/detailed their bikes daily while there.
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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That title was conceded at MV. I was shown what a real "detailer emeritus" is while there. I'm not calling any names, but I think it would belong to some of those that were up late at night, early in the morning, and washed/detailed their bikes daily while there.
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Couldn't make to MV but I got a feeling JR one of those monkey turds was just thrown at you. Got your Glare on? ;D ;D ;D
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Yep, gotta a fresh coat on yesterday![smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] Slid off my nana without a skid mark anywhere! [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] That turd's in hot persuit for Germantown, hope your ready! [smiley=nervous.gif] [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif] ;D
JR [smiley=bananarock.gif]
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That title was conceded at MV. I was shown what a real "detailer emeritus" is while there. I'm not calling any names, but I think it would belong to some of those that were up late at night, early in the morning, and washed/detailed their bikes daily while there.
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Hey d00d,
I was one of the last to go to bed every night, got up with the sun every day but one and took my bike to the coin operated car wash after the official photo shoot. " are you talkin to me " ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Big B
I detailed the hell out of couple bottles of Maker's Mark by the way
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Hey d00d,
I was one of the last to go to bed every night, got up with the sun every day but one and took my bike to the coin operated car wash after the official photo shoot. " are you talkin to me " ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Big B
I detailed the hell out of couple bottles of Maker's Mark by the way
Nope not talking about you, but since you was up during those time periods I bet you know who I am talking about. ;) I would even bet that some of them were participating in the consumption of afore mentioned refreshment. ;D
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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I wonder if one of the said 'detailers" had some company at the wee hours applying Glare to a beautiful purple sled. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]Glare rules. Out,Q
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I'm guessing since DHTDHT dropped off the forum the comparison isn't going to happen now. [smiley=zwtf.gif] Oh well!!!!
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He told me before he left . . . . . . . . . Glare wins!!!!!!!
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I'm guessing since DHTDHT dropped off the forum the comparison isn't going to happen now.
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I'm guessing since DHTDHT dropped off the forum the comparison isn't going to happen now.
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Did he drop off because of doing the comparsion or for other reasons?
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You've seen Terry's bike so you really didn't need his test results. ;) ;D
Yeah, I know, but having seen Terry's bike, and being blinded by the beauty of same, I am now biased. Like Spydy, I wanted to see the results of a totally unbiased comparison. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
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Did he drop off because of doing the comparsion or for other reasons?
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Spyder,
I was following along here too and got lost on his departure, he left from another thread mishap I think.
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Good catch Roger. I just followed the link you posted, interesting.
All that BS aside, the Glare works awesome. Of course I do have to place a disclaimer at this point and say that I in no way condone, endorse nor warranty this product in any way.
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I had checked in with Brian, 103tHundDer and d00d.
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I'm guessing since DHTDHT dropped off the forum the comparison isn't going to happen now.
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dang another case of covalant chicken cloneing in an atempt to fly like an EAGLE...
beats crawling away like a turtle (wax-off) [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif]
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dang another case of covalant chicken cloneing in an atempt to fly like an EAGLE...
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Bagger,
It was the "Concourse Kit" that was mentioned I had made a note in the bookmark. That kit contains Professional Polish, Micro Polish, & Spider, and you can find it here (http://www.autopolish.net/catalog2.asp#Kits) at the bottom of page.
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Bagger,
It was the "Concourse Kit" that was mentioned I had made a note in the bookmark. That kit contains Professional Polish, Micro Polish, & Spider, and you can find it here (http://www.autopolish.net/catalog2.asp#Kits) at the bottom of page.
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Thanks Gary.
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Well, Glare it is.
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Henry, the kit mentioned above would be a good start. The micro is only needed if you have scratches or rub marks that are difficult to remove with the Spider, but we're all going to get those on our bikes at some point in time if we ride them enough, so it's not a bad idea to have some on hand.
I know I sound like a freaking advertisement for the stuff...all I know is that all the products work better than anything I've ever used previously, and it's easy to use, so unless something better comes along, I'm convinced from personal use.
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Bye DHT, It was fun while it lasted! ::) I guess you're not the Tarrytown Guy! ;) Hoist!
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Henry,
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Well, that's good enough for me......I'm ordering some now.
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What about the winter special from the site? http://www.glareproducts.com/catalog2.asp#coolsummer
GLARE Professional Polish Two Bottle Special Price [highlight](Over 25% discount!) [/highlight]$55.95
Not just for automobiles, boats, and planes
GLARE and Summer Sports - a combination that can't be beat!!
Super-Slick shine for personal water crafts and ATVs, motorcycles, bicycles!!
Highest gloss, shine and protection for boats - inside and out!!
SAVE $13.95 from retail price!!
Is this the stuff you guys are talking about?
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I would think the Concourse Kit mentioned above would be a better deal. This kit would cover three different products that as I understand would eventually get used if not immediately. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]
The product you showing above would seem to me the best way to get one product in quantity.
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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I would think the Concourse Kit mentioned above would be a better deal. This kit would cover three different products that as I understand would eventually get used if not immediately. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]
The product you showing above would seem to me the best way to get one product in quantity.
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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OK, so is it 10% off the advetised price for winter that is already a savings, do you suppose?
I know, I know, I'll call on Tuesday instead of guessing.
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OK, so is it 10% off the advetised price for winter that is already a savings, do you suppose?
I know, I know, I'll call on Tuesday instead of guessing.
What's that saying.... "As long as you don't answer yourself you are alright." [smiley=lipsrsealed.gif] [smiley=lipsrsealed2.gif] :-X [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif]
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Bye DHT, It was fun while it lasted! ::) I guess you're not the Tarrytown Guy! ;) Hoist!
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Henry,
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Terry, I figured I'd order that kit along with the leather protectant and the rapid action spray. I know you have spoke of the leather protectant as a great product, but I haven't heard anyone speak of the rapid action spray. From what Glare is saying, it appears to be a 'better' version of a quick detail spray. Right now, inbetween washes I use a combination of HD spray detailer and Harley Gloss. I'm wondering if the rapid action spray will serve the same purpose as the two HD products.
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Bagger,
I can tell you are going to fit in good with this crowd.... [smiley=2vrolijk_21.gif]
Gary, you should see the shelves in my garage. All sorts of polish crap: CorrosionX, RejeX, Scratch Off, Zymol, Harley Glaze, Ezzy Clean.........the list goes on. I need to simplfy things.............my life is complicated enough without adding more confusion. [smiley=banana.gif] [smiley=jalapeno.gif]
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Gary, you should see the shelves in my garage.
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well, ok.......thanks to all you guys/gals that ordered on blind faith and put it on those beautiful paint jobs not knowing what the covalent bonding would really do......can you say 'milky clear coat'? Har! But, thanks to all who went into this w/o the discount and touted it to those of us more timid souls who now benefit from your adventure. I'm calling my order in right after the holidays/day of mourning for G.
Ford. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] spyder
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Gary, you should see the shelves in my garage.
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I had much of the same stuff.
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That settles it between you and few others I'm not going to call out :o you are/will be crowned the
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Look at all this posting we're doing in DHTDHT's thread. [smiley=shocked2.gif] [smiley=shocked2.gif] [smiley=shocked2.gif]
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Well Gary, from what I hear and read, you are amongst the upper echelon of higher order pontificates within the extreme clean detail community.
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Look at all this posting we're doing in DHTDHT's thread. [smiley=shocked2.gif] [smiley=shocked2.gif] [smiley=shocked2.gif]
See what happens when there isn't any wannabe chemist here.
[smiley=oops.gif] Did I say that, shame on me? [smiley=whip.gif]
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Look at all this posting we're doing in DHTDHT's thread. [smiley=shocked2.gif] [smiley=shocked2.gif] [smiley=shocked2.gif]
and it feels 'so right'. :D Har! [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif] spyder
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Look at all this posting we're doing in DHTDHT's thread. [smiley=shocked2.gif] [smiley=shocked2.gif] [smiley=shocked2.gif]
SPEW!!!!
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That's what I was told, but I was shown something different in MV. :o
Yeah, I know how you feel.
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SPEW!!!!
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Yeah, I know how you feel.
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All I can say is you only met the tip of the iceberg. Terry has a lot of company, you just wait until you meet some more of the members.
I welcome any and all opportunities to learn. Hopefully we'll have an opportunity to gather soon. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
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Bagger,
I can tell you are going to fit in good with this crowd.... [smiley=2vrolijk_21.gif]
Don I think you need to order some more of those "King of Detail Hats" [highlight]or should I just relinquish mines[/highlight]? [smiley=nixweiss.gif] [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif]
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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NOT [smiley=pumpkin.gif]
[smiley=lolk.gif] Was wondering if anybody was going to catch that. I guess Don was still in "Party Mode" earlier and missed it. I wouldn't think of getting rid of the hat. ;) Not going to mention anything else. ;D
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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[smiley=lolk.gif] Was wondering if anybody was going to catch that. I guess Don was still in "Party Mode" earlier and missed it. I wouldn't think of getting rid of the hat. ;) Not going to mention anything else. ;D
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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I was out on the lake getting my jet skis out for the winter, only about 4 months late but they are 4 cycle with closed systems so no worry of freezing.
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Henry, I appreciate the nomination, but believe me, there is a LOT of others that I met in MV who are equally or more A/R than me about how their scooters look...hell, man, your's is spotless!!! That green flake was about to blind me!
I do want to try the Glare Spray...I think it would be a much better solution to on the road detailing than what I am using now. Honestly, I don't think you can go wrong with any of the products they offer. I need some more wheel cleaner, so will probably order it next week.
It is good for the thread to be opened...
I'm drinking a few Negra Modello's tonight in celebration of the New Year....a great one to come for all my CVO friends!!!
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Henry, I appreciate the nomination, but believe me, there is a LOT of others that I met in MV who are equally or more A/R than me about how their scooters look...hell, man, your's is [highlight]spotless!!![/highlight]
Well, she wasn't quite "spotless," since Renea and I did ride through some fog that morning.......however I assure you right now, as she sits in my garage, she's spotless. ;)
That green flake was about to blind me!
From which parts? [smiley=nervous.gif]
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. . . I'm just gonna order some.
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The Glenlivet 18 year old single malt scotch whisky for me.
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I'll say........but it costs as much as a good piece of 'stealth chrome'!
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$52 at the Redstone Arsenal Class VI store.
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Hey Bagger. Better put it in a safe spot so you don't confuse it with all those bottles of polish. ::) [highlight]I don't know what kind of covalent bond you're gonna get with Glenlivet Single Malt![/highlight] ;D Happy New Year! ;) Hoist!
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[highlight]A really good one[/highlight]!!! [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
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smooth as Iced Tea...... [smiley=drink.gif].
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Hey Bagger, I"m not familiar w/ EZZY CLEAN products. But, I'm sure some of the site members have experience w/ it. I'm very happy w/ the BRITEMAX SPRAY AND SHINE #65 detailer that someone here turned me on to (may have been John 'Big Daddy' Q). I ordered it on recommendation and have been greatly impressed w/ the shine it gives. Now I'm convienced to order (tomorrow) the GLARE Concourse Package. This site is great for the help you get as well as the laughs. ;D har! [smiley=drink.gif] spyder
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Hey Bagger, I"m not familiar w/ EZZY CLEAN products.
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Just noticed that the DHTDHT guy that started all this comparison thread and chest beating is now an "ex member." Many log in and don't come back too much. Few actually take their toys and go home publicly proclaiming they'll never come back by killing their membership. Wonder what happened?
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Just noticed that the DHTDHT guy that started all this comparison thread and chest beating is now an "ex member."
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Don, see this is what happens when you aren't around ;D
Check it out here and follow the other link.
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Crap, was gone for 8 or 9 days and you guys are abusing someone.
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[smiley=oops.gif] some of us may have forgotten with out you here to reminds us ::)
Ok, it can slide; just this once. Dammit.
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Well I guess we will never get the results of the POLISH OFF!!!!!!
DAMN I was just about ready to try some Glare products.
Be Safe
THE DAWG
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[size=20]PROBATION FOR ALL[/size]
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[size=20]PROBATION FOR ALL[/size]
Sooner or later chit floats you can't hide it forever. We are innocent. [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif]
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Sooner or later chit floats you can't hide it forever. [highlight]We are innocent.[/highlight] [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif]
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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That's funny. Really funny. [smiley=ROFLOL.gif]
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Twolane's got some of us on Double Secret Probation...some of us, and I'm not namin' any names, were mean...me, I was an [smiley=angel.gif]
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Sooner or later chit floats you can't hide it forever. We are innocent. [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif]
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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and crusty chit dont stink till ya poke it [smiley=zroflmao.gif]
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[highlight]Twolane[/highlight][highlight]'s[/highlight] got some of us [highlight]on Double Secret Probation[/highlight]...some of us, and I'm not namin' any names, were mean...me, I was an [smiley=angel.gif]
Now that is hard to believe, Twolane on double secret probation ;D
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OK now who is going to pick up where the test fell off at??????
I think who ever PI$$ED the guy off ought to complete the unbiased test!!!!!
Be Safe
THE DAWG
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OK now who is going to pick up where the test fell off at??????
I think who ever PI$$ED the guy off ought to complete the unbiased test!!!!!
Be Safe
THE DAWG
Michael...I'm thinking the urine, in this case, just blew back on him...you can't piss in the wind, ya know...
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OK now who is going to pick up where the test fell off at??????
I think who ever PI$$ED the guy off ought to complete the unbiased test!!!!!
Be Safe THE DAWG
I think I know who that is.........however, just like TC, I'm on the double secret probbie deal
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I think I know who that is.........however, just like TC, I'm on the double secret probbie deal
I remember exactly when this occured, but I ain't no rat! ;) Hoist!
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OK now who is going to pick up where the test fell off at??????
I think who ever PI$$ED the guy off ought to complete the unbiased test!!!!!
Be Safe
THE DAWG
Who's to say/believe that his test was unbiased? One day he's a chemist the next day he isn't? [smiley=confused5.gif]
What's that ole saying?? "Dance with what you came to the dance with".
Dawg you and I prefer [smiley=pumpkin.gif], others like.... well you know what they are. ;) ;D
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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I remember exactly when this occured, but I ain't no rat! ;) Hoist!
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You're a good man Howie, no matter what D00d says otherwise.
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You're a good man Howie, no matter what D00d says otherwise.
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You're a good man Howie, no matter what D00d says otherwise.
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Pick a number between 0 and 2967, hey, I thought you were the one that controlled who is on it anyway? [smiley=nixweiss.gif]
Not me! I was just the first person there. Of course I guess I did have some control over that. But anyway...... So I was on probation, then I wasn't, then I had bad thoughts; and I was again. Then you and Howie and TC all seemed to join me. But there could've been others. It's hard work being on probation so sometimes you miss things. The only really bad part about being a probie is worrying about the probers; those damned moderators!
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Not me!
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Not me!
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And I just bet ya'll have your own secret handshake and maybe a 'patch' too, huh? :-? har! ;D spyder
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And I just bet ya'll have your own secret handshake and maybe a 'patch' too, huh?
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And I just bet ya'll have your own secret handshake and maybe a 'patch' too, huh?
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You mean you didn't catch that in MV, Spydy?
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Chit, if that's the crime, I'll never get OFF Double Secret Probation... ::)
That's right, might as well just settle in here with me man. The chairs are comfy. JC is responsible for watching us. And the food is good. All in all not a bad gig.
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Ohh, a patch........ ;D
oooooohhhhhh :o
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That's right, might as well just settle in here with me man.
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Y'all keep runnin this thread out and you might just catch "Cat Vommit" and dog poop. [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif] [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif]