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Re: Sluggish
« Reply #180 on: November 30, 2008, 06:15:13 PM »

But that is the fun part - the machining and assembly...

The ugly part involves all those wires and things.... 

Even the spaghetti isn't all that scary with a BFH and a gas torch close by for final fitment.  I'm with you on the machining though.  Love the work.  And would always rather do it myself.  Might have to leave watching it be done by someone else just because it was being done by someone else.  But there's nothing better than the smell of machine oil in the morning.
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Re: Sluggish
« Reply #181 on: November 30, 2008, 06:27:32 PM »

Even the spaghetti isn't all that scary with a BFH and a gas torch close by for final fitment.  I'm with you on the machining though.  Love the work.  And would always rather do it myself.  Might have to leave watching it be done by someone else just because it was being done by someone else.  But there's nothing better than the smell of machine oil in the morning.

Heresy.....nothing can replace napalm....
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Re: Sluggish
« Reply #182 on: November 30, 2008, 06:31:53 PM »

Heresy.....nothing can replace napalm....

You've smelled both.  Machine oil doesn't come with it that often oddly sweet BBQ'd meat smell that sometimes accompanies the other.  Sometimes it's the entree and the condiments that matter.  And, also, with machine oil you just never have to worry about targeting and/or running like hell. 

Both have their place though.  And both can make you smile :drink: .
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Re: Sluggish
« Reply #183 on: November 30, 2008, 06:32:23 PM »

No where is that damn movie anyway.... :huepfenlol2: ?
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Re: Sluggish
« Reply #184 on: November 30, 2008, 06:47:37 PM »

You've smelled both.  Machine oil doesn't come with it that often oddly sweet BBQ'd meat smell that sometimes accompanies the other.  Sometimes it's the entree and the condiments that matter.  And, also, with machine oil you just never have to worry about targeting and/or running like hell. 

Both have their place though.  And both can make you smile :drink: .

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Re: Sluggish
« Reply #185 on: November 30, 2008, 08:34:17 PM »

Strong on the bottom but flattens out too quickly. Got over 12000 mile on this build with no runs, no leaks no errors  :)

Good luck with yours

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I'm hearing good reliability reports from folks who've had their 117 work done.  Also hearing they're very strong, but this is the first I've heard of flattening out too quick.  We'll see how it goes.  Really looking forward to it.  Even after she is finished, I'll likely wait for day during which I can ride her home.  Certainly don't want her leaving there on a trailer.
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Re: Sluggish
« Reply #186 on: November 30, 2008, 08:45:10 PM »

I'm hearing good reliability reports from folks who've had their 117 work done.  Also hearing they're very strong, but this is the first I've heard of flattening out too quick.  We'll see how it goes.  Really looking forward to it.  Even after she is finished, I'll likely wait for day during which I can ride her home.  Certainly don't want her leaving there on a trailer.

Another way to look at it from my perspective: I have not had another cylinder liner slip!  You can look at my dyno sheet which is posted in the SERK dyno section. I am the only on with this package that has had a problem. I will look into the flattening out problem some this winter. 3 inches of snow as I type!

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Re: Sluggish
« Reply #187 on: November 30, 2008, 09:00:52 PM »

Another way to look at it from my perspective: I have not had another cylinder liner slip!  You can look at my dyno sheet which is posted in the SERK dyno section. I am the only on with this package that has had a problem. I will look into the flattening out problem some this winter. 3 inches of snow as I type!

JW

Just went over there and looked at your graph.  You certainly don't need me to tell you something is amiss.  Wish I could help you figure out what is wrong, but it beats the heck outta me.  Best wishes as you chase it down though.
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« Reply #188 on: December 03, 2008, 07:49:51 PM »

Spoke with Rod today about some thoughts I've had for the purple bike.  He gave me an update on the green bike.  Spigot boring and Timken are complete.  I never was too comfortable with machining the apex bolt.  We're gonna forego that and use the supplied Axtell apex bolt.  I'll need to find a way to cover the hex head and the nut.  There's myriad methods, so I'm certain I'll find something.  Still waiting on headers to come back from HPC.  Getting closer.

Purple bike is at 13K miles.  Once she turns over 18K, she'll get a set of Wood's 6 cams, S&S gears, SE cam plate and oil pump, stock lifters, SE pushrods, heat coated Fatcat, and carb work as necessary.  Other than a Baker OD6, that's about all she'll get.
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Re: Sluggish
« Reply #189 on: December 03, 2008, 07:55:58 PM »



Purple bike is at 13K miles.  Once she turns over 18K, she'll get a set of Wood's 6 cams, S&S gears, SE cam plate and oil pump, stock lifters, SE pushrods, heat coated Fatcat, and carb work as necessary.  Other than a Baker OD6, that's about all she'll get.

Henry

Why 18K?
You sure you want to spend the money for the 6 speed?

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Re: Sluggish
« Reply #190 on: December 03, 2008, 08:20:47 PM »

Henry

Why 18K?
You sure you want to spend the money for the 6 speed?

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Thanks for the questions, Chip.

18K isn't a magic number for me.  It is just the number Rod believes, based on his experience, is normal life expectancy for the cam chain shoes.  The blue bike failed at just over 21K........and it was ugly.  17K miles later I upgraded that bike to 95cid and the cam chain shoes were heavily worn.  Thump had 18351 on the clock when she became a 107 and her cam chain shoes were ate up.  Just following my builder's guidance.

On both bikes, I find myself constantly trying to shift into a non-existent 6th gear when on super slabs.  At this moment, it is a toss-up.  I'll know more once Thump comes home and gets ridden.  Along with a Baker OD6, her primary gearing is changing to 3.37, so that will be the tell-tale if the purple bike gets the same treatment.

BTW, is it true that 02 bikes came stock with 3.37 primary gearing, or are they 3.15?
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Re: Sluggish
« Reply #191 on: December 03, 2008, 08:27:04 PM »

Thanks for the questions, Chip.

18K isn't a magic number for me.  It is just the number Rod believes, based on his experience, is normal life expectancy for the cam chain shoes.  The blue bike failed at just over 21K........and it was ugly.  17K miles later I upgraded that bike to 95cid and the cam chain shoes were heavily worn.  Thump had 18351 on the clock when she became a 107 and her cam chain shoes were ate up.  Just following my builder's guidance.

On both bikes, I find myself constantly trying to shift into a non-existent 6th gear when on super slabs.  At this moment, it is a toss-up.  I'll know more once Thump comes home and gets ridden.  Along with a Baker OD6, her primary gearing is changing to 3.37, so that will be the tell-tale if the purple bike gets the same treatment.

BTW, is it true that 02 bikes came stock with 3.37 primary gearing, or are they 3.15?

Not sure on the gearing, but the bottom ends were still Timken bearing! ;)

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Re: Sluggish
« Reply #192 on: December 03, 2008, 08:39:17 PM »

Not sure on the gearing, but the bottom ends were still Timken bearing! ;)

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Yessir!  Which was a huge selling point for me when I decided to buy the purple bike.........and yet another reason I still miss the blue bike.
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Re: Sluggish
« Reply #193 on: December 04, 2008, 08:39:41 AM »

Thanks for the questions, Chip.

18K isn't a magic number for me.  It is just the number Rod believes, based on his experience, is normal life expectancy for the cam chain shoes.  The blue bike failed at just over 21K........and it was ugly.  17K miles later I upgraded that bike to 95cid and the cam chain shoes were heavily worn.  Thump had 18351 on the clock when she became a 107 and her cam chain shoes were ate up.  Just following my builder's guidance.

On both bikes, I find myself constantly trying to shift into a non-existent 6th gear when on super slabs.  At this moment, it is a toss-up.  I'll know more once Thump comes home and gets ridden.  Along with a Baker OD6, her primary gearing is changing to 3.37, so that will be the tell-tale if the purple bike gets the same treatment.

BTW, is it true that 02 bikes came stock with 3.37 primary gearing, or are they 3.15?
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01 touring bikes were the last to have 3.37.  Thanks to the EPA.
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Re: Sluggish
« Reply #194 on: December 04, 2008, 09:08:37 AM »

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01 touring bikes were the last to have 3.37.  Thanks to the EPA.

Thanks GC!

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