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[strohkr]

I saw a set of Rineharts on an '07 EG and they were beautiful! So I quickly canceled my order for the Khrome Werks slip ons and told my dealer to order a set of Rineharts for my '07 SERK. He called me back and told me the Rineharts won't fit the '07 SERK and so far there's no factory fix. DAMN!
Now what? Back to the Khrome Werks???
I'm thinking maybe the V&H Dresser Duals with a set of V&H Oval Slip-Ons and then a SERT to dial everything in...
Dealer said they'll stand behind my warranty.
Any thoughts out there on the V&H set up?
Thanks!
Greg.

[Chief]

I saw a set of Rineharts on an '07 EG and they were beautiful! So I quickly canceled my order for the Khrome Werks slip ons and told my dealer to order a set of Rineharts for my '07 SERK. He called me back and told me the Rineharts won't fit the '07 SERK and so far there's no factory fix. DAMN!
Now what? Back to the Khrome Werks???
I'm thinking maybe the V&H Dresser Duals with a set of V&H Oval Slip-Ons and then a SERT to dial everything in...
Dealer said they'll stand behind my warranty.
Any thoughts out there on the V&H set up?
Thanks!
Greg.

Strohkr,

Several board members have the Rineharts on their 07's, including me. Your dealer is incorrect.

Chief

[rubaga]

I have also seen a lot of threads to this effect here.  Try contacting the tech support here before deciding to move on with your second option.

http://bub.com/

[RedDevil]

There have been some issues with the Rineharts on the SERKS.  Seems the front header pipe w/heat shield comes too close to the rear brake lever.  Most here have found a fix by either changing out the brake lever or milling the edge down so that there is clearance.  I have the Vance & Hines set up on my SEUC and love it. No clearance issues at all. Great sound and looks.  Be advised, the ovals are a tad quieter than the Rineharts, but will still bark if you want them to.  Another alternative is you can go with the V&H headers, which pose no problems with the brake lever, and put Rinehart slippons on them. 

Cheers ,
Red

[Chief]

I saw a set of Rineharts on an '07 EG and they were beautiful! So I quickly canceled my order for the Khrome Werks slip ons and told my dealer to order a set of Rineharts for my '07 SERK. He called me back and told me the Rineharts won't fit the '07 SERK and so far there's no factory fix. DAMN!
Now what? Back to the Khrome Werks???
I'm thinking maybe the V&H Dresser Duals with a set of V&H Oval Slip-Ons and then a SERT to dial everything in...
Dealer said they'll stand behind my warranty.
Any thoughts out there on the V&H set up?
Thanks!
Greg.

Strohkr,

I was real rushed with my first response. I've got a bit more time now, so I'll elaborate a bit.

Both V&H and Rinehart make pipes for the 07's. Both are good pipes, but both also have their problems. I chose the Rineharts, so I'll detail their known problems first.

** Rinehart Front O2 Sensor Orientation **

The O2 sensor bung points the O2 sensor towards the oil cooler adapter. If you run with the stock sensor, this is not a problem. If you replace the stock (narrowband) sensor with a wideband sensor for a self-tuning ignition, or exhaust gas analyzer, the orientation of the sensor causes it to hit the OC adapter. This problem can be remedied in one of two ways. You can either remove metal from the OC adapter to make room, or re-orient the bung. I chose to re-orient the bung. I threaded a M18-1.50 x 4" bolt into the bung, heated it up good and whacked the head of the bolt a couple of good ones to change the angle of the bung. It doesn't take much, maybe 5 to 10 degrees, and it clears fine.

** Rinehart Rear Brake Lever Conflict **

Some people have this problem and some don't. I did. The rear pipe cleared the brake lever by about 1/8" without the heat shield. The heatshield hit. I corrected the problem by marking the heatshield and using the end of a broom stick handle and a hammer to tap an indention into the heat shield. Problem solved.

Good News: Bub knows there is a problem. Bub WILL BE addressing them. The word from the top at Bub is to go ahead and make the changes you feel necessary to make the pipes fit, and WHEN they get the changes made, you can get a free replacement. You need to make a warranty claim with Bub in order to get notified when the new pipe becomes available.

** V&H Rear O2 Sensor Orientation **

The rear O2 sensor orientation produces problems when the stock sensors are replaced with wideband sensors. The tail end of the sensor hits the nipple on the transmission top cover. I have seen members have moved the nipple on the cover, or re-oriented the bung for clearance. Either way works.

Those are the two most popular options for True Duals on the 07's. Both have problems, but are workable. The choice is up to you.

Best of luck in your quest,

Chief

[DakotaZeb]

I have the V&H Dresser Duals and Ovals on my '06 CUSE.  Love 'em.  The one advantage in going with the V&H Dresser Duals is that any slip-on muffler will fit.  If you go with the Rineharts and they are too loud for you you're stuck as only the Rinehart mufflers will fit the head pipes.  Just something to keep in mind.

[Talon]

Other than the true dual head pipe problem, below is a dyno test between V&H Classic slip-on's vs Rinehart True Duals. The second thing you should look at is how you ride and how your building your motor. The V&H are better at the lower end up to about 4 grand, then the Rinehart's take over on the top end.

http://www.latus-harley-davidson.com/mbbs2/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=108&mid=1886#M1886

[Chief]

Just cranked up the bike last night for the first time with the Rineharts on, and I think the bike will be plenty loud.

Chief

<EDIT> I'm looking for performance much like the DYNORUN.014 on this chart. The torque dip is not nearly as severe as on the one shown above.

[strohkr]

You guys have been great.
Right now it looks like I'm going to go with the V&H Dresser Duals - not absolutely positive what mufflers I'm going to use. I'm kinda leaning toward the V&H Ovals but I had Khrome Werks mufflers on my Ultra and really liked them. I sent an email to the tech guy at my dealer to see what he thinks.
I picked V&H because after talking with tech support at Rhinehart (Bubs) I just don't want to hassle with the fit of their pipes - and V&H will fit without any problems.
My riding is more low end than top end - so maybe the V&H system will work best for me. Guess I'll find out.
Other than the pipes and air cleaner I don't know if I'm going to do anything else to the engine - at least until the warranty is over - then who knows!!

[Chief]

You guys have been great.
Right now it looks like I'm going to go with the V&H Dresser Duals - not absolutely positive what mufflers I'm going to use. I'm kinda leaning toward the V&H Ovals but I had Khrome Werks mufflers on my Ultra and really liked them. I sent an email to the tech guy at my dealer to see what he thinks.
I picked V&H because after talking with tech support at Rhinehart (Bubs) I just don't want to hassle with the fit of their pipes - and V&H will fit without any problems.
My riding is more low end than top end - so maybe the V&H system will work best for me. Guess I'll find out.
Other than the pipes and air cleaner I don't know if I'm going to do anything else to the engine - at least until the warranty is over - then who knows!!

Strohkr,

In my mind, more important than pipes and air cleaner is richening up the motor. I think it is pretty important if you are not going to do anything else, and really, really important if you are going to do anything to allow more air through the motor. The 07 motors are REALLY lean coming from the factory, and pipes and air cleaner will make that even worse.

Chief

[strohkr]

Oooops....
Forgot - I'm putting on the SERT - that should help the engine run properly.
I'm going with the SERT over the PC III because my dealer will cover my warranty with the SERT and they know what they're doing SERT wise (they've done good work with them over the years).
Thanks again!

[Chief]

Oooops....
Forgot - I'm putting on the SERT - that should help the engine run properly.
I'm going with the SERT over the PC III because my dealer will cover my warranty with the SERT and they know what they're doing SERT wise (they've done good work with them over the years).
Thanks again!

Whew.... close one. 

[RedDevil]

Oooops....
Forgot - I'm putting on the SERT - that should help the engine run properly.
I'm going with the SERT over the PC III because my dealer will cover my warranty with the SERT and they know what they're doing SERT wise (they've done good work with them over the years).
Thanks again!

That's your best bet.  If your dealer is good with the SERT, then go with that...they will get the most out of your bike for you.  I'm very happy with the V&H setup I have...I like the torque coming on earlier as I do most of my riding in that range...I'm not like the d00d-ster, and ride high on the cam!!
Cheers ,
Red

[Rhino]

Personally I went with the Rineharts due to the higher torque, and that's what the Dressers like, to get there fast.  I think the V & H would be a great runner, if perhaps a small torque cone was installed. Then they would give a fantastic run IMO.  Horsepower means nothing unless you are going for top end all the time. Me, I like the light to light buzz.

Rhino

[flyingwillie]

Strohkr,
I am going with the V&H Dresser Duals and Oval slip ons as well.  But I am going to install the Thunder Max with auto tune instead of the SERT.  My bike's warranty expires this month anyway.  I talked to Pete at Zippers yesterday and there is a 2-3 week lead time on the TM.  I am ordering an extra sensor bung to have welded on the rear pipe due to the fitment on the stock.  That seems to be the most logical solution.  Good luck.