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Pulls to the left??.
« on: May 12, 2022, 06:09:44 PM »

I've been trying to sort out why my bike drifts to the left immediately s soon as I attempt to let go of the handle bars.

With the side bags and TP empty it still drifts to the left. I've tried shifting my weight to the right but it still wants to pull left. Done the yoke bearing test with the bike on the centre lift and putting the wheel to the right and left then letting it swing to the centre,..wheel  stops at centre point.

Checked that the wheels are in alignment that's good.

When riding there's nothing noticeable the bike wants to go left until I attempt to let go of the bars.

Any suggestions are appreciated. BTW,..it's done this from day one when I got the bike . Its a 2007 I got it in 2010. Its not a big issue but just thought it's time I try and see if it can be sorted out..
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Re: Pulls to the left??.
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2022, 06:28:49 PM »

Jack the front tire up so it doesn’t touch the floor. Then see if you can move the front end front to rear and if it seems loose. If so you may have bad front end bearings or you may need a Fall Away adjustment.

If you take the front end apart to access the adjusting nut, I would recommend replacing both the upper and lower bearings and races and then do a Fall Away adjustment.

I hope it solves your problem. 

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Re: Pulls to the left??.
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2022, 03:51:56 AM »

Jack the front tire up so it doesn’t touch the floor. Then see if you can move the front end front to rear and if it seems loose. If so you may have bad front end bearings or you may need a Fall Away adjustment.

If you take the front end apart to access the adjusting nut, I would recommend replacing both the upper and lower bearings and races and then do a Fall Away adjustment.

I hope it solves your problem. 

Jerry

Cheers Jerry,   I'll look into that 👍
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Re: Pulls to the left??.
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2022, 07:17:04 AM »

Do you ride 2 up?  May sound odd but I ride 2 up with the MRS for 99% of my riding and naturally I sit to the left a little on the seat instead of the exact center so that the Mrs can see out front.  I have found that when I remove my hands it veers to the left slightly but I know to lean a little right and that corrects it, not that Im out there riding with no hands all day ha!  Could be something mechanical or could be something like that.
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Re: Pulls to the left??.
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2022, 05:54:18 PM »

are the swing arm bushings good ? also check rear axle alignment (adjustment cams) if all good .... front tire  :nixweiss:  those are a few things i would check first
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Re: Pulls to the left??.
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2022, 07:12:44 PM »

X2 on rear axle alignment. I had a bike years that the rear axle was not aligned and everytime I hit a bump, the rear jumped to the right just slightly. Very un-nerving.
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Re: Pulls to the left??.
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2022, 04:47:39 AM »

Do you ride 2 up?  May sound odd but I ride 2 up with the MRS for 99% of my riding and naturally I sit to the left a little on the seat instead of the exact center so that the Mrs can see out front.  I have found that when I remove my hands it veers to the left slightly but I know to lean a little right and that corrects it, not that Im out there riding with no hands all day ha!  Could be something mechanical or could be something like that.

It's not that cheers

are the swing arm bushings good ? also check rear axle alignment (adjustment cams) if all good .... front tire  :nixweiss:  those are a few things i would check first

The swing bushings are good 👍.  I do work myself  I made a measurement rod that takes the measurement from the centre of the swing arm shaft to the centre of the wheel axle shaft, so that alignment is good .

I've checked the front bearings for any movement back and forth for any bearing play all's good.

I've done the FALL Away check and the wheel returns to centre but that's without removing the wing and not measuring the fall I think is 1/2" either way.

There is one other thing I've noticed the wheel is dragging on the brake pads a little enough that the wheel doesn't spin freely ( stops straight away) but not hard to turn,....perhaps the drag is the root of it. Only way to know I'm going to back off the pads then test ride if it rides straight then caliper overhaul.
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Re: Pulls to the left??.
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2022, 08:40:51 AM »

It's set up that way as a reminder to keep you on the WRONG side of the road!  :D :D  Seriously, hope you find it.  That brake dragging would be a real issue for me.
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Re: Pulls to the left??.
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2022, 09:49:57 AM »

It's set up that way as a reminder to keep you on the WRONG side of the road0!  :D :D  Seriously, hope you find it.  That brake dragging would be a real issue for me.

🤣 depends on the direction you're travelling 🤔🥴😜 try with one eye closed
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Re: Pulls to the left??.
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2022, 03:10:19 PM »

The same exact thing was happening to me on my 2019 RG. It was a slight pull to the left as if I was leaning that way. It happened when bike was brand new. I also felt a rear ass wiggle every once in a while, like the bike wasnt firmly planted. It made me nervous.  Several trips to the dealer. They changed the tires and that helped a lot but it still did it, although just slightly. I think it was a frame alignment issue. HD suggested it was how it is supposed to ride. Now I have a 22 RG and it is straight as an arrow.
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Re: Pulls to the left??.
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2022, 04:11:52 PM »

The same exact thing was happening to me on my 2019 RG. It was a slight pull to the left as dif I was leaning that way. It happened when bike was brand new. I also felt a rear ass wiggle every once in a while, like the bike wasnt firmly planted. It made me nervous.  Several trips to the dealer. They changed the tires and that helped a lot but it still did it, although just slightly. I think it was a frame alignment issue. HD suggested it was how it is supposed to ride. Now I have a 22 RG and it is straight as an arrow.

Had wondered about the frame alignment myself.  Haven't done anything with it as yet its been busy hope to get to it this coming week.
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Re: Pulls to the left??.
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2022, 07:17:01 AM »

                 UPDATE!

   I'm still having trouble with the bike wandering to the left when I let go of  the  bars.

Since I've replaced the left side caliper and overhauled the right side and wheel turn freely.(left caliper was seized and dragging) It's not resolved the issue though.

It still drifts left but now the front starts to wobble within seconds of letting go.There's no wobble issues when holding the bars I've taken it up to 100 mph with no issues with hanging. (I dare not let go at that speed)  the speed I'm letting go at is in the 60 to 70 mph range.

Why after doing the calipers it has a wobble when there it didn't before?  :nixweiss:

I've done wheel alignment checks ✔️  no issue,  calipers not dragging,  swing arm bushings good, rear shocks both at same setting and height,

Should I turn my attention to forks or steering head bearings (bearings loose)

It's not that I want to ride hands free but sometimes I need to but I have to stop if I need both hands.

All thoughts welcome.  Cheers

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Re: Pulls to the left??.
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2022, 09:17:21 AM »

Hope you get this figured out.
I had a RoadKing a few years back that drifted left , dealer said it was caused by the weight of the drive train and how it catches the wind.
 They must go to some kind of stupid answers seminars followed by the smoke and mirrors testing.
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Re: Pulls to the left??.
« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2022, 10:51:15 AM »

                 
  I'm still having trouble with the bike wandering to the left when I let go of  the  bars.

Since I've replaced the left side caliper and overhauled the right side and wheel turn freely.(left caliper was seized and dragging) It's not resolved the issue though.

It still drifts left but now the front starts to wobble within seconds of letting go.There's no wobble issues when holding the bars I've taken it up to 100 mph with no issues with hanging. (I dare not let go at that speed)  the speed I'm letting go at is in the 60 to 70 mph range.

Why after doing the calipers it has a wobble when there it didn't before?  :nixweiss:

I've done wheel alignment checks ✔️  no issue,  calipers not dragging,  swing arm bushings good, rear shocks both at same setting and height,

Should I turn my attention to forks or steering head bearings (bearings loose)

It's not that I want to ride hands free but sometimes I need to but I have to stop if I need both hands.

All thoughts welcome.  Cheers

Some things to consider:  Under the "KISS" principle, check tire pressures, first. A deceleration wobble can easily be caused by loose or worn steering head bearings. (Been there). Does it wobble or drift if you set cruise control? If your caliper was "sized or grabbing," you may have slightly warped the rotor.

Good luck!

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Re: Pulls to the left??.
« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2022, 04:28:41 PM »

As previously mentioned alignment comes to mind, WAG maybe wheel bearings, more weight on one side will give some drift. I use my legs to steer in the twisties as much as upper body, just a heads up on that. I had a HD shop trying to address the decal wobble one time and they replaced rotors, tires, front wheel and when they referred to tech support at the mothership the service manager told me not to ride with hands off the bars. I finally tightened the head bearings up myself and problem solved. The fall away test is not consistent to say the least. I think I get 1 1/2 swings at the most and mine handles fairly well. I do keep the bearings greased.

Talking about a high speed wobble I’d look at suspension, front and back, swingarm true?? Has the rake and trail been altered, when changing height on one end the other should be addressed too. I haven’t noticed HD’s being too sensitive on small changes with suspension height because they weigh so much, allot of folks complain about the weight but on the road I say it helps. Could be a faulty tire, I have seen a few of those.

I’m just a parts changer and throwing things at you to consider, follow up with your issues when solved to help others.

This is the most words I've used in one post here to date, so consider half of them. Good luck I know you'll get it.  :orange:
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Re: Pulls to the left??.
« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2022, 06:30:19 PM »

Hope you get this figured out.
I had a RoadKing a few years back that drifted left , dealer said it was caused by the weight of the drive train and how it catches the wind.
 They must go to some kind of stupid answers seminars followed by the smoke and mirrors testing.

Got yeah on that point about asking the dealer I haven't bothered I'd probably get some sort of off the wall answer as well.

Cheers  :drink:

Some things to consider:  Under the "KISS" principle, check tire pressures, first. A deceleration wobble can easily be caused by loose or worn steering head bearings. (Been there). Does it wobble or drift if you set cruise control? If your caliper was "sized or grabbing," you may have slightly warped the rotor.

Good luck!

Greg

Cheers  Greg,  I've done the checks you mentioned before heading out making sure those basses were covered. I've even checked the front tyre for wearing evenly with a tread gauge. 

There's no deceleration wobble issues or speed wobble issue.

Yes it's with the cruise control set at 60 or 70 mph it will now start to drift as soon as I let go then it starts to begin to with a front end wobble. 
As soon as I rehold the grips the wobble and drifting stops and I can't feel any resistance against taking control.

Also did rotor runout check that was good.   

Cheers  :drink:


As previously mentioned alignment comes to mind, WAG maybe wheel bearings, more weight on one side will give some drift. I use my legs to steer in the twisties as much as upper body, just a heads up on that. I had a HD shop trying to address the decal wobble one time and they replaced rotors, tires, front wheel and when they referred to tech support at the mothership the service manager told me not to ride with hands off the bars. I finally tightened the head bearings up myself and problem solved. The fall away test is not consistent to say the least. I think I get 1 1/2 swings at the most and mine handles fairly well. I do keep the bearings greased.

Talking about a high speed wobble I’d look at suspension, front and back, swingarm true?? Has the rake and trail been altered, when changing height on one end the other should be addressed too. I haven’t noticed HD’s being too sensitive on small changes with suspension height because they weigh so much, allot of folks complain about the weight but on the road I say it helps. Could be a faulty tire, I have seen a few of those.

I’m just a parts changer and throwing things at you to consider, follow up with your issues when solved to help others.

This is the most words I've used in one post here to date, so consider half of them. Good luck I know you'll get it.  :orange:

Cheers TN,   I've done the checks you mentioned emptied out the bags.   I'm thinking the head bearings is the next step as you mentioned.  I have greased the bearings till it comes out the bottom but I don't know how much gets to the top bearing.
I've greased them with weight on wheel and with the wheel off the ground.

I appreciate all your words. Cheers  :drink:
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Re: Pulls to the left??.
« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2022, 06:55:03 PM »

Well I've done a loose head bearings check and can't feel any noticeable up and down or back and forth movement . It looks like I'm going to have to open things up to get to the head bearings and give them a little tweaking up.

BTW. I was told wheel balancing could also be a contributing factor to the wobble and side drifting.  :nixweiss:

So I'll be checking these two possible options over one at a time. I'll road test the bearings tweaking first.

I don't know,...I do know it's enough to drive me to drink  :D :drink: :drink: :drink:

Thanks for your input  :drink: :drink:
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Re: Pulls to the left??.
« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2022, 07:53:44 PM »

" I do know it's enough to drive me to drink  :D :drink: :drink: :drink:"


Hey, I don't even have to leave the house for that anymore.  :D
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Re: Pulls to the left??.
« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2022, 01:18:15 AM »

I've corrected 2 bikes in the past, mine a 2002 and a friends 2003, by aligning the rear wheel with the front. Also changed out both rear rubber swing arm mount bushings and the swing arm pivot bearings. Plus the rubber front engine mount before checking the alignment.

You can have the same measurement from the axle to swing arm on both sides but the wheel/swing arm assembly can be pointing off center. Look at the back of your bike and see if the tire looks centered between the fender. You could easily see ours were not aligned. Both a Harley dealer and independent shop said it was normal.

I read up on how to align the wheel using an electronic protractor and a pair of magnetic laser levels.
You lift bike in center, remove the seat and get the frame level left to right. Then you need to get the front wheel straight up and pointing forward.
Attach a magnetic base laser level to rear brake rotor so it shoots a line on the concrete going forward and another on the front right rotor so laser shoots back. If the two wheels are aligned, the laser lines should lay on top of each other else they should be parallel. If they are not, you need to adjust the front stabilizer link until they are.
Not saying this will fix your problem, but it stopped his from pulling to one side and made them both much more stable in fast turns. Enough that I removed the extra stabilizing link I had added on.
Probably can find this online in much more detail.
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Re: Pulls to the left??.
« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2022, 11:46:06 AM »

I've corrected 2 bikes in the past, mine a 2002 and a friends 2003, by aligning the rear wheel with the front. Also changed out both rear rubber swing arm mount bushings and the swing arm pivot bearings. Plus the rubber front engine mount before checking the alignment.

You can have the same measurement from the axle to swing arm on both sides but the wheel/swing arm assembly can be pointing off center. Look at the back of your bike and see if the tire looks centered between the fender. You could easily see ours were not aligned. Both a Harley dealer and independent shop said it was normal.

I read up on how to align the wheel using an electronic protractor and a pair of magnetic laser levels.
You lift bike in center, remove the seat and get the frame level left to right. Then you need to get the front wheel straight up and pointing forward.
Attach a magnetic base laser level to rear brake rotor so it shoots a line on the concrete going forward and another on the front right rotor so laser shoots back. If the two wheels are aligned, the laser lines should lay on top of each other else they should be parallel. If they are not, you need to adjust the front stabilizer link until they are.
Not saying this will fix your problem, but it stopped his from pulling to one side and made them both much more stable in fast turns. Enough that I removed the extra stabilizing link I had added on.
Probably can find this online in much more detail.



Cheers Jim,  I do have a couple of magnetic laser levels . I'll give it a go and see what comes of it.

Cheers  :drink:
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Re: Pulls to the left??.
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2022, 11:18:56 AM »

More UPDATE

 Been busy researching more and every possible options of the issue my bike is having.

Everything I'm finding is about handling which isn't  being an issue.

So I thought I'd do the all the  alignment checks. 

I found the rear wheel to be vertically and horizontally out of alignment to the front wheel.

So I pulled the swingarm isolator mounts

Found the motor sitting back to far so had to push it forward so the new mounts would seat correctly,..old mount cutting into swingarm,..photo,..

I have a digital level to set the rear wheel vertically at a true 90° when adjusting the top dog bone on the motor.

Did a quick  check on the horizontal alignment and I believe it to be out of alignment as well.  I'll be tackling that later as well as removing the fairing to do a swing drop on the neck bearings...

 I don't think the drifting to the left and the  wobble when letting loose of the handle bars is a contributing factor of one pacific fault but the combination of what I've found, mounts,  motor seating and alignment

It'll be a bit before I'll be able to  do a test ride .

Cheers  :drink: :drink:
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Re: Pulls to the left??.
« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2022, 03:08:14 PM »

There is a way to align the motorcycle by "moving" the motor in the frame.  Search "Glide Pro Alignment" on You Tube.  It is somewhat involved and looks to be intimidating but not really that hard to do.  Worked like a champ for my SEEG.

I would forward you the link but I am computer stupid and can't figure out how to send it.........

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Re: Pulls to the left??.
« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2022, 07:50:21 AM »

There is a way to align the motorcycle by "moving" the motor in the frame.  Search "Glide Pro Alignment" on You Tube.  It is somewhat involved and looks to be intimidating but not really that hard to do.  Worked like a champ for my SEEG.

I would forward you the link but I am computer stupid and can't figure out how to send it.........

Cheers efrbc1  :drink: :drink:

I did find Glide Pro,  goob video.   I went with the Laser set up,....got the bike all lined up now vertically and horizontally  90° on the wheels and the lasers front and back are showing 13 mm between laser lines at both ends.

Took some doing getting it plum with a digital level at three points, frame ,front and rear wheels. Pulled the rubber front motor mount and have ordered up a urethane one from Drag Specialties..

Hopefully once I'm done I'll be able to to put the bike on cruise control lean back and have a nap without it drifting off to left or right  :drink: :drink: :D
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Re: Pulls to the left??.
« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2022, 10:29:03 AM »

 On going progress,...

Parts pending,..

Prepped for Steering Head Bearings Swing-by check
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Re: Pulls to the left??.
« Reply #24 on: November 23, 2022, 09:27:17 PM »

More issues,.... :(

I found the top inner fairing threaded insert mount (the hole plastic mounting fixture)  was broken away from the fairing and was still bolted to the support bracket (right side).  >:(

Then on the (left side)  the top of the support bracket was broken at the 90 bend where it bolts to the fairing.  >:(

Also the (left side) support bracket that fixes to the speaker was broken at the speaker end.  >:(

Repaired the (right side) by drilling cross (x) holes and twist wire tied the plastic mounting into place then used an (cold weld metal paste) to bond it.

The (left side) I removed both brackets (what a choir removing the main bracket) then welded both mounting parts of the brackets back into place.

Reinstalled everything made some tweaking bends to removing an unnecessary stress from the brackets to the fairing mount fixings (bolting holes lining up).

I replaced the front motor mount with a Drag Specialties Urethane mount and beefed up the centre bolt to a 1/2" bolt.

Shouldn't (hopefully)  be to much longer before I'll be able to test ride and again HOPEFULLY  the drifting will no longer be an issue.
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Re: Pulls to the left??. LAST UPDATE,
« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2023, 06:48:24 PM »

                                                                   Well this thread started back in May 2022 has finally come to a close

Had the bike out for its test run today, sunny day but a little on the cool side of 6 c .

The drifting to the left is no longer she runs straight as could be with no hands. Set the cruise control running at 50 mph 70 mph and 90 mph no issues.

Where I thought the wheel alignment was good back in October I was wrong alignment was out.

After setting up the bike all level horizontally and vertically then setting the wheels up with two layers front and rear is when you can fiscally see how much out of alignment they can be.

With that and replacement of the swing arm eliminators , New Avon Cobra Chrome tyres,  replacement urethane motor mount. Wheel bearings.

Anyway won't bore with all the other bits and pieces.  The bike was up on the table lift for about 3 months I learned a lot in all the recherche I did.

And thank you all for your input that was invaluable for helping sorting out the issues.  Ride Safe and have a great year.

I plan on doing a load of motorbike camping this year.

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Re: Pulls to the left??.
« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2023, 10:45:24 PM »

That's good news Pete.  Persistence persistence per.... ah hell I need a beer.

Good feeling no doubt to have the long suffering chore behind you (and done in time for spring).

Bet you're still gobsmacked sometimes about having a garage to do this stuff!
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Re: Pulls to the left??.
« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2023, 06:35:00 AM »

                                                                  " Well this thread started back in May 2022 has finally come to a close"


Good deal, even more more rewarding is what you learned in the process, confidence in a bike goes along way when you're on the road.  :2vrolijk_21:
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« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2023, 10:06:20 AM »

That's good news Pete.  Persistence persistence per.... ah hell I need a beer.

Good feeling no doubt to have the long suffering chore behind you (and done in time for spring).

Bet you're still gobsmacked sometimes about having a garage to do this stuff!

Cheers Don,

I'll tell yeh I had a super grin when I put it on cruise control then let go the handle bars and it carried on dead straight.

As for the garage I put a new roof on it . And yes I bo still get hahaha gobsmacked over it. 😎🍺🍺 :drink:
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Re: Pulls to the left??.
« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2023, 10:12:05 AM »

                                                                  " Well this thread started back in May 2022 has finally come to a close"


Good deal, even more more rewarding is what you learned in the process, confidence in a bike goes along way when you're on the road.  :2vrolijk_21:

No truer words said, and what you said, what is learned in the process.   :drink: :drink: I'll drink to that,....


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Re: Pulls to the left??.
« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2023, 10:35:46 PM »

Glad to hear you sorted it out and have it back on the road.
Looks like your dedication has paid off.

Cheers
Jim
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Re: Pulls to the left??.
« Reply #31 on: February 07, 2023, 07:49:47 PM »

Glad to hear you sorted it out and have it back on the road.
Looks like your dedication has paid off.

Cheers
Jim

Thanks Jim,  it was a long haul seemed like it was never going to end but I enjoyed the work and learnt a lot.
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Re: Pulls to the left??.
« Reply #32 on: February 11, 2023, 12:20:16 PM »

Glad you got it fixed.  That Glide Pro alignment process works well!!
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Re: Pulls to the left??.
« Reply #33 on: February 15, 2023, 04:08:35 AM »

Glad you got it fixed.  That Glide Pro alignment process works well!!

It's fail proof,..... :drink: :drink:  👍
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