Topic: trip meter counts down now rather than up. ?? (Read 8760 times)

porkypig · « **on:** January 05, 2014, 02:24:01 PM »

Had the speedometer upgrade 'flash' done on Friday. Was getting so the clock reset was happening quite regularly. Had the battery tested and it tested out ok. when I got home, a new symptom: on the trip meter trip B, it will not zero out (trip A does) and it now counts down only. anybody else have this happen??Pork.

0815error · « **Reply #1 on:** January 05, 2014, 05:12:16 PM »

I remember me one time to have had such an symtom.
Also after flashing the ECU (not sure by HD upgrade or new TTS map) I can't reset the trip on the gas station.
No reaction by pressing the trip button long, short or repeated in menue B.
Some time later after detach the main fuse and wait a couple of minutes to reset the ECM, the error was gone.

Sorry for my english.

etudeguy · « **Reply #2 on:** January 05, 2014, 10:10:02 PM »

Porkypig
Don't worry about it. When it gets down to 0 it will correct itself. That has happened to me as well.

Etudeguy

porkypig · « **Reply #3 on:** January 06, 2014, 12:07:50 AM »

seriously? you're saying that it will continue to count down from 13.8 miles to 0 and then it should correct itself and count up as well as be able to zero it on a trip?? that sounds encouraging.

etudeguy · « **Reply #4 on:** January 06, 2014, 02:36:08 AM »

Porkypig
I'm serious, it concerned me as well but it will turn around once you hit 0.

Etudeguy

porkypig · « **Reply #5 on:** January 15, 2014, 11:46:55 PM »

I was told by the dealership that it would count down from 30 and then zero out. then it would begin counting up. that is exactly what happened as I rode to work today. So, that part appears to be fine now. But a little aggravating issue is that every time I start it up now, the r lo light comes on, I have "0" for the range when it is known to be full tank, and the fuel light comes on until I put it in gear and take off. anybody got a clue as to what this is? goes away when you get going but is sort of aggravating.

Jasray · « **Reply #6 on:** January 15, 2014, 11:50:52 PM »

Pork, sorry to hear you are still having issues. I had all the symptoms you mentioned, but they all went away after I had the re-flash. Since then no problems. Any chance the did the re-flash incorrectly???

brr5 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 16, 2014, 10:00:25 AM »

Pork-
I'm having the same problem on my 2011 with the r lo light coming on ever time I start it. After I switch to another setting and start riding it seems to go away. And I had mine flashed back in 2012 so what ever is causing this current issue isn't related to that or the newest flash out there,
Bob

Lever · « **Reply #8 on:** January 16, 2014, 12:32:50 PM »

have you guys checked your battery and conections as well as the starting /charging system?

etudeguy · « **Reply #9 on:** January 16, 2014, 02:14:28 PM »

You know I had the same problem with my 2011 bike and I think Lever is on to something. The r lo light kept coming on like others have mentioned but would go off after I started moving. I was on the "Loneliest Road in America" and I stopped for gas and my bike won't start so I rolled it down a hill to get it started and made it to Ely and replaced the battery and the problem stopped. A couple of weeks ago I disconnected my battery for something and when it was connected again the r lo light came back on again but when I started going it went off and it hasn't happened since.

Etudeguy

Willie D · « **Reply #10 on:** January 16, 2014, 02:33:10 PM »

Quote from: etudeguy on January 05, 2014, 10:10:02 PM

Porkypig
Don't worry about it. When it gets down to 0 it will correct itself. That has happened to me as well.

Etudeguy

Yup what he said

porkypig · « **Reply #11 on:** January 19, 2014, 11:21:54 PM »

well, I appreciate the different angles from everybody. I had the reflash done about 3 weeks ago now. You know what I have been experiencing since. I took the bike in on Friday to get last minute warranty work done (saddlebag seals have come apart again as they did on the 11. If that happens again, I will use something other than foam seals as they just don't hold up. Have the continueing issue with the r lo light and the fuel light coming on and then going off as soon as you take off. I was told that HD says all the bikes from 09 forward do that. I told my s.writer that "gosh, it didn't do that when it was new; why would it do it now?? So, he is calling HD back. And the battery issue again....bike would barely start the other day. If they will replace the battery, I will let them). Otherwise, I just want to ride my bike; things otherwise are good with the bike. Always willing to look at something new and exciting but haven't found anything better than what we all have so far. ) So, hopefully will find out something on Monday. Pork.

Lever · « **Reply #12 on:** January 20, 2014, 06:36:06 AM »

pork when you said battery issue again what do you mean ? how old is this battery that's in your bike ?
also do you have a lot of electrical accessory's ?
and how are they connected to battery?
my bike my main battery cables are attached 1st then my other leads go on top like battery tender lead oil fans heated bars leads
it appears to me your losing your console memory cause there is to much amperage draw from battery when starting are you using a tender when not riding ? I still think you need to look at starting / charging system battery connections etc .... you may also have a low current draw somewhere that's draining your battery down .
do you keep your fob away from bike when its parked for long periods of time ? the key fob will cause your battery to run down

just trying to help ya out with suggestions

porkypig · « **Reply #13 on:** January 20, 2014, 09:18:52 AM »

And I do appreciate your help. I have a battery tender cable that is attached on top of the battery cables I guess. that is the only accessory. It came with it. I do keep the bike on the battery tender. I keep the fob stored at least 15-20 feet away in a closet in another room. But how does a fob cause the battery to wear down. I sort of think of it as strictly an electrical interlock, not an electricity using device. Harley claims that a battery is a wear and tear item but says everything is parts and labor for 2 years, regardless of mileage. Has anybody else had Harley step up and replace their battery? This battery is just under 2 years old and has about 15,000 miles of starting on it.

grc · « **Reply #14 on:** January 20, 2014, 11:58:26 AM »

Ask the dealer to show you in writing where the battery is a normal maintenance item and isn't covered by the factory two year warranty. Unless something has changed recently they won't be able to do so. A battery isn't like a pair of windshield wiper blades or brake pads that are considered wear items under most warranties. And yes, even real wear items like brake pads are covered if they are defective, as opposed to just being worn out.

Jerry

Mandrew13 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 20, 2014, 07:43:37 PM »

Quote from: porkypig on January 20, 2014, 09:18:52 AM

And I do appreciate your help. I have a battery tender cable that is attached on top of the battery cables I guess. that is the only accessory. It came with it. I do keep the bike on the battery tender. I keep the fob stored at least 15-20 feet away in a closet in another room. But how does a fob cause the battery to wear down. I sort of think of it as strictly an electrical interlock, not an electricity using device. Harley claims that a battery is a wear and tear item but says everything is parts and labor for 2 years, regardless of mileage. Has anybody else had Harley step up and replace their battery? This battery is just under 2 years old and has about 15,000 miles of starting on it.

My dealer replaced my battery for no charge when I started having the usual clock reset issue... Which isn't the same situation, but it is an example of a dealer replacing my battery for free. They acknowledged that my battery was still "good" but not good enough to prevent the issue from happening again. Yes, my bike was still under warranty.

porkypig · « **Reply #16 on:** January 20, 2014, 11:30:15 PM »

Quote from: grc on January 20, 2014, 11:58:26 AM

Ask the dealer to show you in writing where the battery is a normal maintenance item and isn't covered by the factory two year warranty. Unless something has changed recently they won't be able to do so. A battery isn't like a pair of windshield wiper blades or brake pads that are considered wear items under most warranties. And yes, even real wear items like brake pads are covered if they are defective, as opposed to just being worn out.

Jerry

(2012 Model) "This warranty does not cover: Parts and labor for normal maintenance as recommended in the owner's manual, or the replacement of parts due to normal wear and tear including, but not limited to, the following: tires, lubrication, oil and filter change, fuel system cleaning, "battery maintenance", engine tune-up, spark plugs, brake, clutch, chain/belt adjustment and chain replacement."
Now are you implying that this language says that they may still put a new battery in if it is keeping the bike from starting?? Pork.

grc · « **Reply #17 on:** January 21, 2014, 08:47:57 AM »

Quote from: porkypig on January 20, 2014, 11:30:15 PM

(2012 Model) "This warranty does not cover: Parts and labor for normal maintenance as recommended in the owner's manual, or the replacement of parts due to normal wear and tear including, but not limited to, the following: tires, lubrication, oil and filter change, fuel system cleaning, "battery maintenance", engine tune-up, spark plugs, brake, clutch, chain/belt adjustment and chain replacement."
Now are you implying that this language says that they may still put a new battery in if it is keeping the bike from starting?? Pork.

What that says is the warranty won't pay to maintain your otherwise good battery, so if you just have dirty and loose terminals they won't pay for that, nor will they pay if the only problem is that the battery is allowed to sit and discharge. It does not say it won't pay for a defective battery. The warranty covers defects in materials and workmanship, including the battery.

The way to determine if the battery is defective or not is through a simple load test. Dealers have the necessary equipment, as do most auto parts stores. And just because the battery is nearly two years old doesn't mean it can't be defective. I recently had a car battery replaced that failed at exactly one year. It started and ran fine one day, it would barely light the dome light the next morning. Testing confirmed it had suffered a major internal failure.

Jerry

porkypig · « **Reply #18 on:** January 21, 2014, 09:09:21 PM »

Jerry, I appreciate your explanation and clarification. Today they told me the battery was good. They put it on a tester and it (a $10K they said) and it said the battery was good. However, in the next breath the S.W. said he put in on something and it said the battery was 50%. So, I told him the battery is not starting the bike very well, so maybe it is the starter, or the battery is only 50% in which case it should be replaced. He said he couldn't do that if their equipment said it was good. So, I told him I am going to persue this one with customer service HD. He said ok. so, that is what I intend to do. also, they said my speed is defective so in 7 to 10 days I will get a new speedometer and the issue with the r low and the fuel light coming on should go away.......... what a bummer. I hate having the dealership keep my bike warm at night. :-( Pork. But they won't replace the battery........

porkypig · « **Reply #19 on:** January 29, 2014, 05:12:13 PM »

Update 1/29/2014 I called Harley customer service on Monday like I said I was going to do and they took my info and assigned me a case #. So, I called the store yesterday while the bike is still on the rack for the speedo issue. I instructed them to call customer service and get info from them. so that is what is happening right now. I feel like I'm sort of caught in the middle of a losing battle here. Believe it or not, they are both on the same side of the $$ and I am on the other side trying to get a new battery...... I was told that they should see the speedo probably yesterday and then they can get it installed and get me back on the road. what a process! Pork.

ozarke · « **Reply #20 on:** January 30, 2014, 11:31:31 AM »

Decided to approach this starting and light issue a little different.

My theory is that the standard softtail battery ( approx. 280 CCA ) doesn't have enough amps to turn over a cold 110 engine. The battery size is limited do to space. Touring bikes have around 300 CCA with larger area to put battery, but still have trouble with a cold 110 engine.

I should be receiving a 500 CCA battery that will fit my Convertible over the weekend. Will see how much of a difference it makes. Friend just put one in his Street Glide 110 and it doesn't seem to hesitate at all when cold. It is certainly cold here now. Will give a report.

porkypig · « **Reply #21 on:** January 31, 2014, 11:33:22 AM »

well, an update. Yesterday I was told they got the new speedo and got it installed and calibrated. Andddddddd they installed a new battery. So, because it's us vs them, I guess when you are up against the wall, call HD customer service as your last leverage. Don't know who convinced whom, but they did replace the battery. But, Ozarke, please do publish what type of battery you are getting that it has 500 CCA. sounds like a monster. And a picture also. Pork.

ozarke · « **Reply #22 on:** January 31, 2014, 08:00:40 PM »

I got the battery today. Not installed yet or check for fitment. Will post once I have had a chance to test it out.

Here is a link to the website. http://powersportbatteries.com/harley-davidson-softail-motorcycle-batteries/2209-harley-2010-flstse-cvo-softail-convertible-1803-motorcycl-battery-hd.html

porkypig · « **Reply #23 on:** January 31, 2014, 11:30:46 PM »

I am hoping for you. Mine today was 270 CCA. Yours is almost double. plus no tax and free shipping. I look forward to your report. If it is good for a 201, it will no doubt fit a 2011 and 2012. I sure had a fun time riding home today even if it was 41 degrees and I forgot my chaps. Bike ran strong. I know it is only about a month before we get to spring and nicer weather. the porkster.

Jasray · « **Reply #24 on:** February 01, 2014, 10:58:24 AM »

Pork, hope your troubles are behind you. I know its been very frustrating.

JB

porkypig · « **Reply #25 on:** February 01, 2014, 12:37:02 PM »

Thanks, JB, yeah, sometimes it seems it is more frustration than enjoyment. However, I have said for a long time I feel better when a vehicle is off warranty as that period is usually no more than the time that you have to fight with the manufacturer or the dealership for what should be an easy task- fix it like you said you would do. So, having most everything taken care of at this point, I am almost ready to sit back and ride and enjoy. All of us (including the moco and dealership) were all on the same page at one time---enjoying the bike that is the finest ever made, etc...... :-)

Author Topic: trip meter counts down now rather than up. ?? (Read 8760 times)